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Dysfunctionality	Posted - 2007.07.19 06:38:00 - [1] Apparently some of the local Isk farmers up in Fountain have been reported killing some of the residents who attempt to hunt NPC pirates in "their" systems. So far I've seen a few killmails from various killboards, listing deaths to their "blobs" of ravens (and the occasional Ishtar/Arazu), where the comments that followed were: "I was ratting..." "They jumped me!!! I didn't even go for them!!!" "What the hell just happened?..." And many other (quite funny) statements. Anyone else seen this? Just Curious if it's only happening in Fountain.
Dysfunctionality	Posted - 2007.07.19 06:53:00 - [2] I still can't get over the fact that they have actually adapted. They really are like monkeys...
Dysfunctionality	Posted - 2007.07.19 19:52:00 - [3] Edited by: Dysfunctionality on 19/07/2007 19:54:17 Originally by: Shanur Oh ok. I thought all macro farmers hid in newbie corps in high sec to avoid being attacked. Interesting to see they are actually trying to stake out their own chunk of 0.0. Actually the Isk farmers I was talking about are actually in a newly formed corporation, inside an alliance I've never heard about in the past. From some local chat, I've found out that they are actively trying to defend a certain part of fountain for their ravens. Harboring isk farmers is such a rampant problem in EVE right now :(
Dysfunctionality	Posted - 2007.07.19 21:36:00 - [4] Originally by: FarScape III Name the Alliance! NASA (New Age Solutions Amalgamated)
Dysfunctionality Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.07.21 05:39:00 - [5] Originally by: bunmastahflex Originally by: Dysfunctionality Originally by: FarScape III Name the Alliance! NASA (New Age Solutions Amalgamated) if what you say is true, that is truly disheartening. Yup, Got the logs, killmails, and names of about ten macros inside a corporation called "hopes of pirate" (TBH, if you ask me, it even sounds like a macro corp ) who reside in the "NASA" alliance. It also seems they are getting bolder by the day. And just for kicks, some funny chat log I ran across: Macro > Why then you do have to pursue kill me? Alt > we don't like isk farmers Alt > the isk you earn goes to your boss Alt > then he sells it, for real money Alt > it ruins the game Macro > You also are the ISK farmer Alt > now if you would play the game like it was meant to be played, (for fun) then possibly, less people would hunt you. Alt > nope Alt > I myself am only here for a short time Alt > That and I don't sell my isk for money Alt > I use it to have fun, in a game Alt > that game is EVE Macro > We certainly cannot use ISK to receive in exchange for the money Alt > That's a lie and you know it Macro > NO Alt > You're not very convincing Macro > Does not believe me, I do not need to explain with you Alt > is that so? Alt > then what do you use your isk for? Alt > OTHER THAN PAYING YOUR CORP OR BUYING A NEW RAVEN AND CLOAK Macro > not your business
Dysfunctionality Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.07.21 06:02:00 - [6] Originally by: bunmastahflex guess i'll be having a chat with alexi borizkova and knifey mcshanker... not that i'm demanding they do something about it... I've heard that their alliance is actually decent, don't know why they would harbor isk farmers if they knew better... but then again. This is EVE, anybody will do anything for some extra isk... and we all know that isk farmers have plenty to make you look the other way.
Dysfunctionality Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.07.21 06:15:00 - [7] It's just odd to see them all by themselves in the middle of fountain with none of their alliance mates nearby. Not even a single POS and yet they claim to be "taking over" the local constellation.
Dysfunctionality Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.07.21 07:02:00 - [8] Edited by: Dysfunctionality on 21/07/2007 07:02:14 Originally by: KnifeyMcShanker I speak for NASA and I can tell you right now that the Chinese characters in the alliance are NOT macro-ers, I talked to them in Alliance chat quite frequently. We recruited them because no one else would. People saw that they were Chinese and automatically thought they were macro-ers. We constantly have an eye on them, and if anyone can prove to me that they are doing anything against the EULA, please do so and they will be removed from the alliance immediately. Otherwise I suggest you stop bad mouthing alliances based on the race of their players. You have your right to defend your alliance, but I'm basing all my statements on facts and previous experience with "Isk Farmers" (Not necessarily macros). Over my stay in fountain, I've run into numerous characters some that act "normal" and others that do not. The fellows I have in my address book all have the same behavior as the countless isk farmers I've seen around EVE. Now, my facts may not be entirely straight, but I do believe someone mentioned that some of these guys were in Xelas when they were in the region
Dysfunctionality Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.07.21 07:15:00 - [9] Originally by: KnifeyMcShanker [HPS] is a 100% Chinese corp, and some of their members were in Xelas, I can confirm. I'm not sure if you realize how hard it is for them to recruit Chinese players on Tranquility. (I honestly don't know why they don't play on the China server.) Hopemoon spoke with me before recruiting ex-Xelas and I told him that as long as their isk remains theirs and that none of it is sold, they are acceptable. Like I said, we have an eye on them. But if you are convinced they are macro-ers and isk sellers, please show me some proof. Or hey, ask a GM to investigate them. I will support this because I am confident that the GM will find them completely legit. Thank you for not completely flaming me, props for that. However, I still hold to my views and will continue to seek evidence. They act too much like the isk farmers that I have had reported (and some banned) in the past, thus I am determined. Sorry ahead of time if nothing comes of this, but I have a very personal thing against these types of players.
Dysfunctionality Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.07.21 21:42:00 - [10] Originally by: Pan Crastus I guess the ISK farmers found out that those people who consider hunting farmers a challenge aren't the best and brightest of the PVPers around. ;-) If you insist on making moronic posts in my thread, at least read the entirety of the thread. I have not listed any actual hostile action towards the actual farmers, merely their attacks on the innocent ratters in "their" systems.
Dysfunctionality Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.07.21 22:51:00 - [11] Interesting Update... The following was a convo from one of my friends with one of the members of [HPS]. My friend was obviously not serious about the isk, being I told him to interact with some of the local farmers. Macro > ISK is you buy? Alt > i can Alt > how do you guys sell it? Alt > bundles of 100m isk? Macro > I sell us Chinese people Alt > you sell isk to people in US and people in China? Macro > yes Alt > does (List Of other Macros) help Alt > to make the billions that would be needed, would need more then one person Macro > ? Alt > i need about 16billion isk Alt > what would that cost about? Alt > 16,000,000,000 isk Macro > ? Macro > I give you 16 .000.000.000 Alt > so does Alt > (List Of other Macros) Alt > help you also? Alt > cause i do need 16 billion isk Macro > 1.600.000.000.000 Alt > no Alt > 16,000,000,000 The Macros name will be reported to CCP for investigation.
Dysfunctionality Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.07.24 06:52:00 - [12] Originally by: Danny Centurai Originally by: N'irrti got ganked by 4 of them today This is the attitude I hate to see. They might be Chinese but they aren't farmers. They PvP and they do it a darn load better than a load of the muppets trolling the forums. Still waiting for the proof of farmers and Chinese names isn't proof, thats all you seem to go on these days. Real farmers hide out the way not in an alliance that was in the middle of hostile territory. That would be a nice way for a farmer to lose his raven and real income; add to that the fact real farmers have English names... people can use translators you know. Also real farmers speak English shock horror I know but the Gold Farmers in WOW for example always have an English speaker available to fend off claims and chat to locals; the gold farming industry is quite open about how they operate. Real farmers are clever about how they do things, the people who point at a name see its Chinese and shout farmer well thats a different story. You're knowledge of farmers is pretty nice. But ask yourself. These [HPS] players, have you ever seen them outside of their ratting grounds? Besides traveling back and forth with their loot, have you seen them participate with any other activities? Have they taken part in any alliance activities? Operations? I, for one, have not. And with some simple digging, they appear to have never even left Fountain. These are some of the things you look for when investigating isk farmers. I wish if could be different, I wish people wouldn't sell isk for money, but the facts and evidence proves otherwise in this case. I've spent quite some time following isk farmers and investigating them the best I can with the available tools. I know how they run and how they die. These characters have no standings with anyone but CONCORD and the rats they kill. No agents, no nothing. They all fly Ravens. They all fit cloaks. Some of them were even made within the same hour. Although, In this case, I've noticed that they actually do have a few pvp'er within their corp, but they exist MERELY to protect their ravens. The proof is there, now it's only a matter of time.
Dysfunctionality Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.07.24 06:54:00 - [13] Originally by: Nicocat Glad to see my old alliance is actually getting attention, even if it is quite negative. Anyhoo, I must say that no, NASA doesn't harbor macroers, afaik. Farmers, well... there's a reason I left in disgust. =P If I said Macro's I didn't mean to, the word seems to stick when it comes to these topics. Isk Farmers is the correct term.
Dysfunctionality Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.07.24 08:07:00 - [14] Edited by: Dysfunctionality on 24/07/2007 08:09:55 Originally by: aUTOKILL go to the eve tv website and watch episode 2. Mind Elaborating? Some of us don't care to pay for it.
Dysfunctionality Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.07.24 13:41:00 - [15] Edited by: Dysfunctionality on 24/07/2007 13:42:55 Originally by: Danny Centurai Haha sorry but you are wrong here mate this really did make me laugh at least you cheered up my afternoon. The ravens you bump into are good old PvP ravens no stabs they roam around killing stuff maybe even bait you by sitting in a belt. You fall for the tricks and they get another kill mail. Check our killboard if you must you will see their corp has done roughly a third of the ISK damage NASA has done. So not cool putting good players down just because they are Chinese. I'm sure hopemoon or readytowork would be happy to tell you their fit, once all the gankage in fountain has ended. OMG you must be a farmer to know they are logged in 23/7 so must you =). Like I said they do have some PVP'ers. I've run into hopemoon myself, he flys a mean Arazu and nano+cloaking-Ishtar, but that doesn't count for most of the rest. But on the contrary, their ravens do happen to fit 2x stabs and cloaks. Numerous occasions of them warping off when they've been scrambled and/or disappearing when a prober shows up. The fact of the matter remains: they're all out in fountain ratting 23/7. Where does all this isk go? Unless they are funding some other supar sekrit alliance/corporation operation, I really don't know what else they could possibly be doing with it all. One of the members of [HPS] even admitted to selling isk, and CCP should be investigating this as we speak. Hopefully I will be turning in more names soon as well.
Dysfunctionality Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.07.24 14:11:00 - [16] Originally by: Danny Centurai I honestly hope they are. ISK farmers should be banned yeah thats plain old simple. How ever I have seen most of these guys and know they aren't farmers. I can't personally defend every member; but I can say NASA doesn't support harboring ISK farmers and if they are farmers we get F$%" all from it. I really want to know who you really are and where you are getting your information from. Post it on our forums or something I want to see it, will help us resolve the problem of which I am yet to see. Because of speculation my Identity shall remain hidden, as well as my sources of information. Much of which was gained merely by getting friends to talk with some of [HPS]'s members . Everything regarding any breaking of the EULA will be immediately reported to CCP, so no need to worry. That being said, I would hope not all of their members are isk farmers, because from what I've heard of them, they seem to quite talkative players... But as it is, I've not once said that NASA has anything to do with their isk selling operations. They joined you guys and that seems to be that.
Dysfunctionality Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.07.24 14:32:00 - [17] Originally by: Danny Centurai Actually keep killing ratting ravens because if they are ISK farmers then they will ú$"% off. =) Again, on the contrary. They have the isk, they will come back and continue on ratting.
Dysfunctionality Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.07.24 15:10:00 - [18] Very Glad to hear. Sorry that it had to be taken care of this way, but as you said, you do not wish to be involved with HPS's way of playing... RMT. Now to finish the job...
Dysfunctionality Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.07.24 22:42:00 - [19] Originally by: Mr Friendly you're sounding a bit rascist, tbh. Why don't the swedes and the russians get off of the 'english' server, then? Gee, maybe because we have 10x the active population and presumably a much better/interesting economy on tranq? Language barriers are inevitable on a non-sharded world, you dolt. You're lumping every asian into the same group, without thought. Grow up. Limit your discussion to blatant isk sellers, not to people that don't speak European languages. Otherwise you're a bloody racist pig. Wow, Grow up? Calling names? Hah, right. I'm not racist at all. It's just food for thought. The Chinese server is there, and it would be a lot easier for them to use it. Now if you have nothing more constructive to say, please stay out of my thread.

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