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Chronus26
Gallente
Team Laser Explosion
Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2007.07.19 17:04:00 -
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I don't know what your trying to fit, but with simmilar priced fittings on both and a couple of very cheap faction mods I have a 2 Navy Mega setups here that both outdamage the Hyperion by far, one that Tanks a little less DPS with a higher DPS output and another that infact tanks more DPS and still outdamages the Hype.
Both setups have less cap useage then the Hype fitting, and have a huge chunk more effective HP to boot.
I'll let you figure it out for youself since your such an 'expert'.
I also doubt you've ever tried to fit a Hype for fleet work, because if you had you'd know that you can't even fit the 'standard' Sniperthron fit that fits rather comftably on a Megathron.
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Chronus26
Gallente
Team Laser Explosion
Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2007.07.19 17:25:00 -
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 Originally by: Ione Hunt
Real men fit T2 Neutrons 
TBH if I was planning to only T2 fit a NMega for real I'd do that. Slaves, a few rigs, a plate or two hand you've got a beastly amount of HP. And i'm not complaining about 1k DPS either.
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Chronus26
Gallente
Team Laser Explosion
Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2007.07.19 18:15:00 -
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Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf
-counter argument-
1 - Fleet Setup. Wheres your MWD? 0.0 fleet combat? The sensible allainces require it on fleet fits. For remote reps to be effective you need to survive the initial lock and cycle times, this is where plates come in very handy. For fleet i'd choose my Mega any day of the week.
2 - The comparitive Hyperion setup uses the same two cheap faction hardeners. Try some fittings with A Dark blood hardener and a Dark Blood ANP.
Fittings:
Hyperion:-
8x Ion II
Named MWD
2 Disruptors
Web
Heavy Cap Booster
2x LAR II
DB Exp Hardener
EANM II
DB ANP
DCU II
Ancillery Current Router
2x Aux Nano Pumps
5x Hammerhead II
678 DPS w/ Void
875 DPS tanked
73.7k Effective HP
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Navy Mega
7x Electron II
Named MWD
Disruptor
Web
Heavy Cap Booster
2x LAR II
3x Armor Hardener (EXP/KiN/THERM, 1 DB)
DB ANP
DCU II
Mag Stab II
5x Ogre II
Ancillary Current Router
2x Aux Nanos
848 DPS w/ Void
766 DPS tanked
101.6k effective HP
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As above but replace Mag Stab with 2nd DB ANP
748 DPS w/ Void
882 DPS tanked
110.4k effective HP
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Comparing these 3 stats I am of the oppinion that the Navy Mega is the stronger of the two ships. Of course ther are a dozen more statistics we could bring into this debate, different strengths and weaknesses, skills, but for now lets keep it simple.
Bottom line I disagree with you on this one, although I have to say you lay down your arguments well.
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Chronus26
Gallente
Team Laser Explosion
Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2007.07.19 18:57:00 -
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Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf
MWD's in fleet combat... I musta not got the memo.  Though I can see the wisdom of doing so. Me I'd stick with the classic range and DPS fit and sphere them, every ship forced to warp out warps back into one of the cov ops that are orbiting at range, that speed advantage means jack when you need to go in every direction at once.
As for the setups much appreciated. Far better grounds for discussion. However alter the Hyperion setup to include a Magstab or two.
8x IonII
MWDII, fleeting Web, fleeting Scram, 2x Med BoosterII (800s)
2x LARII, 2x EANMII 2x MagStabII (Alternatively 1x named DCU 1x MagStabII)
Also the additional DPS of the drones is nice but take into account the points in the OP. Though that I confess it is a matter of personal taste. As for the faction kit and to a lesser extent the rigs, it's nice but the main point was regarding the balance the Mega and the Hype (the inclusion of the Navy Mega was purely to exaggerate the point) which generally one doesn't want to pimp even to this lesser extent. If I were fitting for a pimp setup I'd stick some faction reppers on the Hype over the Navy Mega any day.
Additional: Nice to have a discussion on these forums that doesn't degrade into "blah, blah, blah, I'm not listening" care to compare with a superior set-up for the Navy Mega without faction?
I'd love to but neither fit to my liking without... 
I fly my Standard Megathron with a full gank fit, its good bang for buck. However i'd feel silly doing the same on a Hyperion and most likly wasting such a good bonus. In general T2 fittings, Hype is a far better tank, Mega is far better gank. I don't fly my Hype at all now due to CPU problems caused by the EANM changes, and I've not felt the inclination to adapt my setup. Pitty really it did well for itsself.
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Chronus26
Gallente
Team Laser Explosion
Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2007.07.20 22:26:00 -
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Originally by: Zubakis
Originally by: Chronus26
... setups ...
I want to comment on the 2 setups you posted.
1. If you drop to electrons and use a ROF rig instead of the energy grid rig, you will deal more dps on your hype. And when you use 5 ogres on the navy mega, then u should use 4 ogres on the hype too (or 3 ogres and 2 hammerheads). Look now you deal more damage.
2. Why do you need an energy grid rig on your navy mega? I can fit a similar setup on a regular mega, without this rig. And have room for a heavy nos.
 I didnt think about either of these things.
on #2:
I rigged it in EFT before I fitted guns, started to fit Ions then for some unknown reason decided they wouldnt fit without actually trying it first and made an Electron fit instead on the basis that Elecys and 1 mag stab out-DPS Ions with none. In light of this i'd adapt my more tank-y Navythron setup to use Ions and keep the PG rig. On the Electron setup w/ Mag-stab i'd remove the PG rig and replace it with either a Semiconducter Memory Cell or another Aux Nano (although this makes it rather sluggish unfortunatly).
Bear in mind that these setups are theoretical, intended to prove that the Navy Mega isn't 'useless' or 'pointless'. Not that i'd object to some shiney boosts on my favorite BS though
Anywhoo imma go back to spinning my Navythron in my hanger.
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