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Hung TuLo
Universal Fleet Operations
Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.01.10 13:56:00 -
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I have heard that placing a cloak on a ship other than covert ops ships will greatly reduce their efficiency.
IS there anything that I can do to reduce the problems associated with it?
Skills, implants, modules?
Or am I titally barking up the wrong tree?
"In space all warriors are cold warriors" ----á General Chang-á Star Trek VI |
Luh Windan
S T R A T C O M
NEM3SIS.
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Posted - 2012.01.10 14:14:00 -
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there are a range of cloak modules - cov-ops lets you warp under cloak
The cov-ops module has a massive CPU requirement (10k) and all cov-ops ships give a 96%+ reduction to this depending on skill
All of the cloaks impose penalties of some sort though - mostly not letting you lock ships straight away after uncloaking. The non cov-ops ones impose big speed penalties for moving under cloak
all that said:
they aren't some great panacea.
I use my cheetah mostly for being nosey. It's also great for watching gates,stations etc. for war targets and that sort of thing. When you have probes out and are focused on the scan interface it's nice to be cloaked too - one less thing to worry about (although if you are somewhere dangerous you still should be watching d-scan)
One reason you might want an ordinary cloak on your Drake is if you want to move about low-sec then the MWD+cloak trick works with an ordinary cloak (make sure you practice first!) and is very useful.
If you want to do anything useful you are better off without it more often that not. judicious use of d-scan, Safe spots and other bookmarks are far more use if you want to be attacking other people |
Hung TuLo
Universal Fleet Operations
Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.01.10 15:03:00 -
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Ya,
I was just wondering if there were anything else that I missed.
"In space all warriors are cold warriors" ----á General Chang-á Star Trek VI |
KevLor I
Zephyr Corp
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Posted - 2012.01.10 15:48:00 -
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Increasing skill level in cloaking will reduce the penalty, but it is still significant. If you train cloaking to level 4 (almost no one goes to level 5), then you will have a 12 second delay before you can BEGIN to target someone. In addition, you get a 40% scan resolution reduction, which almost doubles the time it takes to lock on once you can begin. In general, this makes a non-black ops cloak pointless in PvP.
The black ops cloak would only have a 6 second delay and no scan resolution penalty, so they can be somewhat useful in PvP, theoretically (although you do have to be in a covert ops type ship to use them).
For PvE in w-space or in low-sec, a cloak COULD be useful if someone is trying to scan you down and you don't want to just run to the nearest gate/wh. The lock on delay is not nearly as significant in PvE, so it is livable. |
Mr Bigwinky
Click Click BOOM
4U Holdings Inc
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Posted - 2012.01.10 15:58:00 -
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KevLor I wrote:The black ops cloak would only have a 6 second delay and no scan resolution penalty
Black ops cloak?
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Covert-ops cloak?
Welcome to EVE online, here's your rubix cube, go F*** yourself GÖÑ |
KevLor I
Zephyr Corp
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Posted - 2012.01.10 16:05:00 -
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Quote:Black ops cloak?
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Covert-ops cloak?
Yeah, that :).
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Othran
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.01.10 16:13:00 -
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KevLor I wrote:Quote:Black ops cloak?
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Covert-ops cloak? Yeah, that :).
Neither of which you can fit on a Drake, so whats the point in bringing them up? |
Jack Dant
The Gentlemen of Low Moral Fibre
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Posted - 2012.01.10 16:25:00 -
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Well, technically, there are rigs that reduce the targetting delay after decloaking (the targeting systems stabilizer). And you can use sensor boosters to recover the lost scan resolution.
But fitting those will end up gimping your fit even more than the cloak.
What happens in lowsec, stays in lowsec, lowering the barrier to entry to lowsec PVP:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=476644&#post476644 |
Mr Bigwinky
Click Click BOOM
4U Holdings Inc
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Posted - 2012.01.10 16:33:00 -
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Othran wrote:
Neither of which you can fit on a Drake, so whats the point in bringing them up?
I wonder if you realise the irony of your post?
Incase you don't: complaining about a lack of content in a post by posting a post with no content.
Also, what's the point in you bringing up what I brought up if what I brought up wasn't worth bringing up in the first place?
And if you bring up now, that you brought up the drake, well, the bringing of the drake was brought by another.
Touch my bellybutton from the inside
GÖÑ
Welcome to EVE online, here's your rubix cube, go F*** yourself GÖÑ |
Othran
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.01.10 16:51:00 -
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Mr Bigwinky wrote:Othran wrote:
Neither of which you can fit on a Drake, so whats the point in bringing them up?
I wonder if you realise the irony of your post? Incase you don't: complaining about a lack of content in a post by posting a post with no content. Also, what's the point in you bringing up what I brought up if what I brought up wasn't worth bringing up in the first place? And if you bring up now, that you brought up the drake, well, the bringing of the drake was brought by another. Touch my bellybutton from the insideGÖÑ
Unless you're KevLor1 then learn to follow quotes  |
KevLor I
Zephyr Corp
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Posted - 2012.01.10 16:53:00 -
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But it does have content. The OP asked about gimping a Drake by fitting a cloak on it. To talk about the gimping, it makes sense to talk about the different types of cloaks, pros and cons, and how they affect different ships. The OP has apparently not used cloaks much, so it can't hurt to discuss them a bit. |
Mr Bigwinky
Click Click BOOM
4U Holdings Inc
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Posted - 2012.01.10 16:57:00 -
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KevLor I wrote:But it does have content. The OP asked about gimping a Drake by fitting a cloak on it. To talk about the gimping, it makes sense to talk about the different types of cloaks, pros and cons, and how they affect different ships. The OP has apparently not used cloaks much, so it can't hurt to discuss them a bit.
Stand the f*ck back bro, I got this.
Welcome to EVE online, here's your rubix cube, go F*** yourself GÖÑ |
Hung TuLo
Universal Fleet Operations
Fatal Ascension
30
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Posted - 2012.01.10 18:00:00 -
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:)
Actually I have used a cloak quite alot and use and loose SB's alot as well. The main reason I was asking is that the SB is so under powered and the rapier stinks. There is no cloaking BC that can hope to do damage to ships like I would like. The only thing a SB is really good for is SB blob attack and spying/recon
As I said, I was just wondering if there is something that I missed.
Oh wait here comes the good part. I'll sit back with popcorn and let you guys go at it again.
munch, munch, munch!!!
"In space all warriors are cold warriors" ----á General Chang-á Star Trek VI |
Mutnin
Mutineers
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Posted - 2012.01.10 18:49:00 -
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Hung TuLo wrote::)
Actually I have used a cloak quite alot and use and loose SB's alot as well. The main reason I was asking is that the SB is so under powered and the rapier stinks. There is no cloaking BC that can hope to do damage to ships like I would like. The only thing a SB is really good for is SB blob attack and spying/recon
As I said, I was just wondering if there is something that I missed.
Oh wait here comes the good part. I'll sit back with popcorn and let you guys go at it again.
munch, munch, munch!!!
T3 ships can fit a cvt ops cloak and allow you to do more damage as well as having more HP than a Recon, but typically fitting the sub system to allow this, gimps the over all damage out put. The Drake can still manage a pretty good PVP fit, while fitting a cloak, but as others have said it reduces your targeting speed even if you leave the cloak offline. |
Jack Dant
The Gentlemen of Low Moral Fibre
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Posted - 2012.01.10 18:53:00 -
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Hung TuLo wrote:Actually I have used a cloak quite alot and use and loose SB's alot as well. The main reason I was asking is that the SB is so under powered and the rapier stinks. There is no cloaking BC that can hope to do damage to ships like I would like. The only thing a SB is really good for is SB blob attack and spying/recon
I guess a covops proteus could be what you want.
What happens in lowsec, stays in lowsec, lowering the barrier to entry to lowsec PVP:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=476644&#post476644 |
Hung TuLo
Universal Fleet Operations
Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.01.10 20:10:00 -
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Thanks Jack i'll take a look at that.
Hung
"In space all warriors are cold warriors" ----á General Chang-á Star Trek VI |
Caliph Muhammed
inderpendent manufacturing operations
Amen Anera
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Posted - 2012.01.11 00:09:00 -
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Improved cloaks work on a drake. I do have cloaking elite cert though and you'll want to work towards it so your recalibration time is minimal. Another thing is you'll have to be patient in your approach. Go to an active system and cloak up at like asteroid belt 1. When a target pops in you can try and uncloak and burn to him but i'd suggest waiting for the warp off. Likely the target will hit the next asteroid belt. You skip ahead to the third one when its clear to do so.
Tip: If you sit cloaked at 0 warp in of asteroid belt 1 and he initially appears 30km from you, when you make the warp to asteroid belt 3, warp to 30km.
If all goes well youll be inbound to him ready for pvp by the time your cloak is off and sensors recalibrated. |
Argaral
Obstergo
NEM3SIS.
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Posted - 2012.01.11 01:49:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:Improved cloaks work on a drake. I do have cloaking elite cert though and you'll want to work towards it so your recalibration time is minimal. Another thing is you'll have to be patient in your approach. Go to an active system and cloak up at like asteroid belt 1. When a target pops in you can try and uncloak and burn to him but i'd suggest waiting for the warp off. Likely the target will hit the next asteroid belt. You skip ahead to the third one when its clear to do so.
Tip: If you sit cloaked at 0 warp in of asteroid belt 1 and he initially appears 30km from you, when you make the warp to asteroid belt 3, warp to 30km.
If all goes well youll be inbound to him ready for pvp by the time your cloak is off and sensors recalibrated.
I'd like to make an amendment to this, sitting at 0 at his warp in is great, it allows you to bump him out of alignment when he decloaks you giving you more time to lock and scramble him.(yay for my armchair admiral sense going off!) |
snake03
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Posted - 2012.01.11 19:14:00 -
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Mr Bigwinky wrote:KevLor I wrote:But it does have content. The OP asked about gimping a Drake by fitting a cloak on it. To talk about the gimping, it makes sense to talk about the different types of cloaks, pros and cons, and how they affect different ships. The OP has apparently not used cloaks much, so it can't hurt to discuss them a bit. Stand the f*ck back bro, I got this. 
Here is a no content post, your a fooking idiot!!!
I'm just a modern day caveman in search of a bigger club. |
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