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Lt Purifier
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.07.20 03:23:00 -
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I just found this show like 3 days ago. And i cant believe it was canceled, It's frackin awesome.
But, I havent watched all of the episodes,(which i found from a link to a site for tv links here in OOP) because some of the links are dead.
Seen the movie first then watched about half of the episodes....
Something i havent figured out yet, which i hope some of you people can help me with are...
1. How did River and her brother get on Serenity?(in Out of gas it shows how the rest ended up aboard)
2. When Shepard was hurt and the docked at the Alliance station, why did they change their minds so quickly to render medical aid after he showed a card of some sort?
3. In the movie, the Companion(sp?) isnt on board Serenity anymore, why isnt she aboard? or did i miss the reason in the movie?
4. Hmmm, yeah thats about it. if anyone can help me fill the missing pieces I'd really appreciate it.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.07.20 03:55:00 -
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Originally by: Lt Purifier 1. How did River and her brother get on Serenity?(in Out of gas it shows how the rest ended up aboard)
Happens in the first episode.
Originally by: Lt Purifier 2. When Shepard was hurt and the docked at the Alliance station, why did they change their minds so quickly to render medical aid after he showed a card of some sort?
Some untold history he had with the Alliance, they never got as far as explaining it.
Originally by: Lt Purifier 3. In the movie, the Companion(sp?) isnt on board Serenity anymore, why isnt she aboard? or did i miss the reason in the movie?
Some time passes between the end of the series and the start of the movie, changing a few things. The Shepard also leaves in between. Also, some of the characters go through a bit of a reset and behave the way they did at the start of the season rather than the end, for the sake of the movie. -
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Micheal Dietrich
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Posted - 2007.07.20 04:13:00 -
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Being a major fan of firefly, I think I can cover all of these aspects.
1. You meet River and Simon in the first episode. First it's just Simon who boards serenity with a giant container. You also meet Book for the first time too. Later a secret law enforcement guy who boards at the same time (they took these 3 as passangers) tries to arrest Simon and ends up shooting Kaley. After Simon patches her up Mal finds out whats in the container which is a very naked and hot River. Then Simon tells the crew the story of how he got her out of the facility. Long story short, they kill the agent, offload some contraband they were carrying, and escape some reavers and River and Simon join the crew as the ship medic and ship psycho babe (yeah I love river).
2. Shepard never really says anything about his past. He was supposed to unviel this in later episodes but the sadistic bastards of the fox network cut it short. But he knows alot about crime, crimelords, and many other things and strongly hints that he was once a high ranking operative for the alliance, alot like the assassin in the movie. That is why when he showed the card the alliance members got him into medlab right away. Personally sheperd was one of my favorite characters cause of the oddball things he would say.
3. This is another part of the story that was supposed to fold out (thanks alot you sadistic sons of *****es). Lenora and Mal have kinda of a hidden love agenda going on. You see hints of it throughout every show which is partly why Mal insults her line of work and at the same time watches out for her. She makes her decision to leave at the end of Heart of Gold where the crew helps out a friend of hers by protecting a *****house.
You can buy the first (and only) series for about $60 at any store that sells dvd's and the episodes are 1. Serenity - part 1 & 2 2. Trainjob 3. Bushwacked 4. Shindig 5. Safe 6. Our mrs. Reynolds 7. Jaynestown 8. Out of Gas 9. Ariel 10. War Stories 11. Trash 12. The Message 13. Heart of Gold 14. Objects in Space
You can qoute anything from any episode and the movie and I'll be able to tell you the who says it, the scene, and the episode
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Deschenus Maximus
Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2007.07.20 04:20:00 -
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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
You can qoute anything from any episode and the movie and I'll be able to tell you the who says it, the scene, and the episode
That's kinda sad actually... but then again, so could I
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Lt Purifier
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.07.20 04:51:00 -
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Ahh okay thanks, I guess i missed the first episode. The first one i saw was trainjob(didnt see the link for the first one).
I love some of the actors/characters of the show. Jayne is one of my favs, and Kaylee is frackin hot, I'd take her over River or the Companion anyday.
Why did they yank the show from TV? If it had done poorly in the ratings why make a feature film of the show? BTW, when exactly did this show debut? |
Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.07.20 04:57:00 -
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Originally by: Lt Purifier Ahh okay thanks, I guess i missed the first episode. The first one i saw was trainjob(didnt see the link for the first one).
I love some of the actors/characters of the show. Jayne is one of my favs, and Kaylee is frackin hot, I'd take her over River or the Companion anyday.
Why did they yank the show from TV? If it had done poorly in the ratings why make a feature film of the show? BTW, when exactly did this show debut?
The network did everything they could to futz with the show because they didn't like it. One was airing the episodes out of order, and the trainjob was the replacement first episode IIRC. It got axed and got a film for the same reason really; It was a good series. -
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.07.20 04:59:00 -
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The basic stuff (and then some).
Char creation guide | Module/Rig stacknerfing explained |
Amarria Black
Clan Anthraxx
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Posted - 2007.07.20 05:36:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: Lt Purifier Ahh okay thanks, I guess i missed the first episode. The first one i saw was trainjob(didnt see the link for the first one).
I love some of the actors/characters of the show. Jayne is one of my favs, and Kaylee is frackin hot, I'd take her over River or the Companion anyday.
Why did they yank the show from TV? If it had done poorly in the ratings why make a feature film of the show? BTW, when exactly did this show debut?
The network did everything they could to futz with the show because they didn't like it. One was airing the episodes out of order, and the trainjob was the replacement first episode IIRC. It got axed and got a film for the same reason really; It was a good series.
And thusly why Joss Whedon won't go near Fox ever again.
I wish there was actually a decent chance of Firefly resurrecting, but odds are somewhere between slim and mining capital ship.
Random side note: There's actually a decent sized group of "Browncoats" around here. They're about half as scary as hardcore dress-up Trekkers.
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Andreea Vongsavath
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Posted - 2007.07.20 05:41:00 -
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hah :) my main's fc always quotes jayne every time we hit the thick :) "time for some thrillin' heroics"
by the way, if you really want to, there's some firefly on stage6, only about 8 of them tho.
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Jon Hawkes
The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.07.20 08:33:00 -
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Firefly was one of the only Sci-Fi shows I really enjoyed, along with Star Trek TNG. I'm not a Sci-Fi fan at all, but something about the low-tech, gritty worlds that the crew often found themselves on was such a refreshing contrast to the "laser beams and aliens" approach from so many other series. In a way, I'm glad that they ended the series when they did, as it left in as a pleasant memory frozen in time, rather than dragging it out until all the shine was gone.
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Ione Hunt
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.07.20 09:05:00 -
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Great show! _______________
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Micheal Dietrich
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Posted - 2007.07.20 15:39:00 -
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Originally by: Lt Purifier Ahh okay thanks, I guess i missed the first episode. The first one i saw was trainjob(didnt see the link for the first one).
I love some of the actors/characters of the show. Jayne is one of my favs, and Kaylee is frackin hot, I'd take her over River or the Companion anyday.
Why did they yank the show from TV? If it had done poorly in the ratings why make a feature film of the show? BTW, when exactly did this show debut?
Firefly debut years ago I think back in 2003. I never really knew about it until the movie and a super sci-fi geek friend told me about the series and went on to preach about the evils of network tv. Joss Wedon created firefly and is also the person who made Buffy and we all know how long that show has gone on for. Now when Joss makes a series he likes to introduce you slowly to each character and give them all a storyline and something you can relate to. In Fox's wisdom they like to jump you right into the middle of the action. So when the first couple episodes were made they chose to run Trainjob first instead of the Firefly premiere which explains how the crew all met and why they're doing what they're doing.
To make things worst Fox aired the show at the worst possible hour. I remember catching one episode on a night night at midnight. Then fox had the balls to say that firefly wasn't getting the ratings while they think of worse and worse reality shows to play on primetime.
The show was cancelled and everyone thought that was the end of that.
But low and behold the fans started to rise and they made website and petitions and held rallies telling the networks to bring back firefly and went on for about 2-3 years and while they did not get their wish they managed to get a movie made out of this which is basically a first ever in the history of movie making.
The movie of course was a smash hit and the fanbase has gotten larger. It looked like for a while like the sci-fi channel was going to pick it up cause I saw them airing a couple of episodes on fridays at 2 and 3 pm but it later dissapeared with I'm sure the same 'it's not getting the ratings' line.
Alot of networks sometimes don't truly realize what they have. Firefly, as stated already, was a completely new take on the standard fly around in space and shoot laser yadda yadda. Quoting Joss "In the world of star trek where you have these massve ships flying around exploring planets and settling treaties and dispute, firefly is the crew in the background that you would never think about watching"
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Velsharoon
Gallente Endgame.
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Posted - 2007.07.20 18:31:00 -
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Please, just buy the bloody dvd :\
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Hae t'Redd
Baptism oF Fire VENOM Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.20 19:17:00 -
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Firefly Debuted in North Americe on Sept. 20, 2002...and was cancelled after 11 episodes although there were 14 total episodes created. Even though several buyers (other studios) at the behest of Joss Whedon tried to resurrect the show, FOX held onto the TV rights. The reason for cancellation is officially low ratings...but truthfully it was from lack of support and belief in the show, by FOX from the beginning, even after the show had garnered several awards and excellent reviews. Lack of advertizing and support condemned this show to death, while years later we are still bombarded by advertizing from shows like American Idol. This was during the hieght of the 'Reality TV craze' where every other moron could put their POS (not Player Owned Station) on TV if they called it reality, while excellent shows couldn't get the time of day from the networks. This just proves that most people are morons who will watch any garbage the networks advertize. I am pleased that SciFi channel has supported the equally excellent BSG (which has been called the best 'Drama' on TV)for the last several years, learning from the mistakes of FOX.
PS - Reality TV should be cancelled and replaced by 'Reality'.
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Hae t'Redd
Baptism oF Fire VENOM Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.20 19:20:00 -
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PPS - and Yes I am a little bitter.
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Zyck
Gallente KDS
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Posted - 2007.07.20 19:28:00 -
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Originally by: Hae t'Redd Firefly Debuted in North Americe on Sept. 20, 2002...and was cancelled after 11 episodes although there were 14 total episodes created. Even though several buyers (other studios) at the behest of Joss Whedon tried to resurrect the show, FOX held onto the TV rights. The reason for cancellation is officially low ratings...but truthfully it was from lack of support and belief in the show, by FOX from the beginning, even after the show had garnered several awards and excellent reviews. Lack of advertizing and support condemned this show to death, while years later we are still bombarded by advertizing from shows like American Idol. This was during the hieght of the 'Reality TV craze' where every other moron could put their POS (not Player Owned Station) on TV if they called it reality, while excellent shows couldn't get the time of day from the networks. This just proves that most people are morons who will watch any garbage the networks advertize. I am pleased that SciFi channel has supported the equally excellent BSG (which has been called the best 'Drama' on TV)for the last several years, learning from the mistakes of FOX.
PS - Reality TV should be cancelled and replaced by 'Reality'.
This post is awesome.
On top of that, it just confirms the notion that Fox must die. I recently bought Firefly on DVD and will Serenity soon as well, and it's simply amazing. -Zyck
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Micheal Dietrich
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Posted - 2007.07.20 19:33:00 -
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Originally by: Hae t'Redd PPS - and Yes I am a little bitter.
I'm right there with ya.
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ivar R'dhak
STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.07.20 21:42:00 -
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Nuttin¦much to add.
Firefly was goram uber, Fox sux and my sig is shiny! _ Mal-`Appears we got here just in a nick of time. What does that make us?¦ Zoe-¦Big damn heroes sir.¦ Mal-¦Aint we just.¦ |
Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.07.23 08:48:00 -
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Edited by: Crumplecorn on 23/07/2007 08:48:20
Originally by: Hae t'Redd I am pleased that SciFi channel has supported the equally excellent BSG (which has been called the best 'Drama' on TV)for the last several years, learning from the mistakes of FOX.
Incidentally, the Sci-Fi channel killed Stargate SG-1, and is made of fail.
TBH Sky One should be given control of all TV programs, they have surprisingly good taste for a pack of ******s. -
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Ciphero
The Wild Hunt FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.23 09:25:00 -
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Worthy note - Saffron can mug me any day. |
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DarkMatter
Sintered Sanity
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Posted - 2007.07.23 10:00:00 -
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Edited by: DarkMatter on 23/07/2007 10:03:58 I never watched the show, I saw it on TV a couple of times, but passed it by because it was on in the middle of the day on Sat, so thought it was some ******** corny show...
I rented the movie this weekend after my brother told me about it.
It was a really good Sci-Fi movie, much better than most crap they produce these days...
FOX is full of a bunch of dumbasses...
I'll have to watch the 14 episodes. But kind of sucks knowing it was cut short...
Building the homestead
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Kiyano
Caldari Pilots Of Honour
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Posted - 2007.07.23 11:11:00 -
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Fox was being really stupid with this one, had no idea truly who their target demographic was and at the same time showing it at stupid times that shared slots with other very popular programs showing on other channels (or so I've heard). They shot the show in the foot and didn't care when it showed the slightest signs of low ratings they just axed it instantly.
What I don't get is how stupid TV networks can be these days, take a show like Firefly which I have seen all the episodes of, imho i'd say 10-12 of them are fantastic, only a couple of not so good episodes and lets face it... thats a pretty good record, amazing for the first half a season (usual number of episodes being 22.)
Now compare that to a series like Babylon 5, which didn't get cancelled and ended up turning into a damn good show, yet imho the first 10-12 episodes of that there was like 1 good one maybe two, it took a long time to get really good but it did in the end. Now if they can let a show like that get off the ground, these days they ought to let the others get a good run before they make hasty decisions. Bah, silly networks don't know whats good for them if it bit them in the ass.
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Aelicitia
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Posted - 2007.07.23 11:46:00 -
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Edited by: Aelicitia on 23/07/2007 11:48:26 The reason Firefly was cancelled, was due to bad demographic ratings. Granted, Fox sabotaged the show a lot, but it would have ended up dying regardless. You can't really transition to Firefly from American Idol, or Dancing with the Stars.
Stargate SG-1 and Farscape died for the exact same reasons, bad demographic ratings.
The fact is, television series that are based on space operas, cost a ****load of money to produce. It is usually impossible to shoot any scenes locally. You either have to fly out to a remote location for shooting, or build the whole environment in a studio. Not to mention the extravagant amount of CGI and computer-generated graphics and overlays that can be involved in producing a show.
Ratings alone means nothing. The advertising companies don't care about ratings, they care about results. In order to get those results, advertising companies are looking for ratings within a certain demographic of viewers. The rapper "Ludacris" is not going to push the release of his new album on the Country Music channel.
The groundbreaking space operas of Star Wars and Star Trek were hugely popular back when the baby boomers labeled "Generation X" were still teenagers. Star Wars/Trek just happened to be in the right place at the right time. There were 80 million teenagers looking for the next pop-culture phenomenon, and they found it in a galaxy far, far away. But that was over 30 years ago. This is the 21st century, and those geeky teenagers are now approaching their retirement. Star Wars is over. Star Trek is on its final breath. I don't believe "Generation X" is ready to commit to another space opera.
The ratings demographic for a space opera is extremely difficult to approach with advertising. That fresh, new spaceship smell is gone. Generation X has moved on. Who is left? How are media companies going to budget the high production cost of such a series, if the current demographic has massively shrunk and does not respond to popular trends and advertisement placing?
The answer is obvious, they can't. A new quality series will be able to carry itself for a few seasons, while the storyline is fresh and the characters are still being developed, but the series is eventually doomed to an early death.
Firefly was able to make it to motion picture through DVD sales, and because one of the executives at Universal Pictures was a huge fan. The movie "Serenity" was incredibly well written and directed, space operas aside, yet it bombed at the Box Office. Case in point.
Battlestar Galactica is not going to go very far, either. It managed to do amazingly well this far, due to the fact that the show detatches itself more from the "outer space" drama, and focuses on the internal drama between characters. I believe they have already announced that the series is ending in a couple more seasons.
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MrTriggerHappy
Caldari Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.07.23 11:48:00 -
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Well you can't really call Stargate SG1 a failure, 10 years that show as on the air and it was due to a failing plot line on the 10th season that they decided to end it (with a somewhat dissapointing ending).
Firefly on the other hand was poorly marketed (especially here in the UK), a lot of critics shunned Serenity when the film came out, but was actually quite a success and to which many people bought the firefly DVD's.
Enterprise is a better example of a failure, they tried to take startrek in a new direction, fans didnt like it and well ta da..
BSG.. well everyone loves it, who can knock it?
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Aelicitia
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Posted - 2007.07.23 11:53:00 -
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Edited by: Aelicitia on 23/07/2007 11:55:35
Originally by: MrTriggerHappy Well you can't really call Stargate SG1 a failure, 10 years that show as on the air and it was due to a failing plot line on the 10th season that they decided to end it (with a somewhat dissapointing ending).
If Farscape didn't exist, I'm sure SG-1 would have ended a lot sooner. Many people watched SG-1 just because it was on right before Farscape(and right after). Not to mention Lexx ended around the same time as Farscape. Both fanbases jumped to Stargate SG-1.
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MrTriggerHappy
Caldari Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.07.23 11:56:00 -
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Never even heard of Lexx to be fair.
But I dunno, i watched Stargate from begining to end and the only thing that ticked me off was the very last episode.. they ended it poorly.. --------------------------------
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DarkMatter
Sintered Sanity
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Posted - 2007.07.23 12:52:00 -
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Quote: Battlestar Galactica is not going to go very far, either. It managed to do amazingly well this far, due to the fact that the show detatches itself more from the "outer space" drama, and focuses on the internal drama between characters. I believe they have already announced that the series is ending in a couple more seasons.
Season 4 (next season) will be the last.
The writers wanted to end the show b4 it was cancelled...
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Nuala Reece
Caldari Starlancers Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2007.07.23 13:04:00 -
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Yes, Firefly was cancelled due to bad demographics - but I think it's fair to lay blame for that on the lack of imagination from FOX. Still labouring under the delusion that you couldn't have sci-fi without lasers and aliens and space battles, not to mention that sci-fi itself was a limited market, they couldn't decide how to market it and who to. When you look at newer shows - BSG for one, and Heroes as a prime recent example, you can see how clever marketing and PR can boost what are essentially niche shows into the mainstream (with all the extra advertising revenue that creates). Imagine if FOX had got hold of a superhero tv show and treated it like they treated Firefly
You can see why FOX have held on to the rights, as it's clear now that there's money to be made from Firefly. Last year they started issuing cease and desist orders on fan sites offering merchandising - Blue Sun T-shirts was the most high profile, although I ran across a site selling toy goslings for juggling who also claimed to have been threatened (apparently, because Wash mentions juggling goslings in an episode, FOX believe they have intelectual property rights over the idea ). There was talk a while back of a joint FOX/SOE Firefly MMO on the board too, which would really be my idea of Hell.
However, with luck that won't happen, FOX will come to realise that they've so alienated the creators and fans of the show that they'll never make much profit off the back of the name and will relinquish their claim to the rights, allowing others to have a shot at bringing an excellent show back to life Firefly Season 2 I live in hope anyway.
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MrTriggerHappy
Caldari Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.07.23 13:36:00 -
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Actually I heard of the MMO, not all that long ago, and from what i'm aware its under production, but going along the ways of sci-fi games based on TV series, it'll prob fail. SG1 game looked good, but the company went bust --------------------------------
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Teron D'Amun
The Burning Orphans Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.07.23 17:04:00 -
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Originally by: Aelicitia Edited by: Aelicitia on 23/07/2007 11:48:26 The fact is, television series that are based on space operas, cost a ****load of money to produce. It is usually impossible to shoot any scenes locally. You either have to fly out to a remote location for shooting, or build the whole environment in a studio. Not to mention the extravagant amount of CGI and computer-generated graphics and overlays that can be involved in producing a show.
If what you said would be true, a brave little scifi show called Babylon 5 wouldn't exist - yet it managed to stand against the only other competitor(s) of it's time (Star Trek TNG and DS9) while only having a fracture of production costs available for each episode than said ST series (~700k to 1 million USD vs Trek's 1.2 - 2 million $), maintained to stay for 5 seasons to tell it's story arc (and it still is one of the best story arcs you'll ever see for a tv-show) and did ground breaking work in the CGI departement (B5 and seaquest were the first tv-shows to use CGI not only for for effects such as weapon fire but also for backgrounds, ships, stations, planets and their surface, creatures etc)
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