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Mercurye Gallente	Posted - 2007.07.21 11:33:00 - [1] Wondered if other LGBT(*****,*, Bisexual, Transgender) people play the game.....its probably only a handful but oh well :) Im from Holland by the way --~--~--~--~ ~NOTE: Freak~
Asestorian Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.07.21 11:50:00 - [2] Of course they do. Actually I seem to remember there was even at one point a corp advertising for LGBT people, but I'm not sure it really caught on as most people who would normally join the corp were already in a decent corp anyway. --- ---
Miss Anthropy School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.07.21 15:15:00 - [3] How can you be all four at the same time?
Mercurye Gallente	Posted - 2007.07.21 15:32:00 - [4] No,you cant really :P Myself, I m a bisexual transgender male....saw both a hot dark skinned man and a lovely bootied girl in the metro today...couldnt get my eyes of those two lol :P --~--~--~--~ ~NOTE: Freak~
Benco97 Gallente Nova Inc. Pride - Honor - Duty	Posted - 2007.07.21 17:56:00 - [5] There are more playing than most people think and there are a few corps setup specially for them. Myself, i'm ***..pretty sure my boyfriend is too ;p "MY GOD KEEP THIS AWAY FROM BENCO97!!!!!" - Constantine Arcanum
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.21 18:34:00 - [6] Originally by: Benco97 There are more playing than most people think and there are a few corps setup specially for them. Myself, i'm ***..pretty sure my boyfriend is too ;p If he's not, you might want to have a bit of a Talk with him...about...you know...things. --------
Joseph 9 Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.21 19:22:00 - [7] Originally by: Mercurye Wondered if other LGBT(*****,*, Bisexual, Transgender) people play the game.....its probably only a handful but oh well :) Im from Holland by the way Another glorious victory for the EVE-O forums langauge filter. Transgeneder and Bisexual are not swearwords, or censored or what ever but g-a-y amd l-e-s-b-i-a-n are. I presume the statement about being from Holland is to stop people from thinking your into anything really kinky, like hanging out with Germans...
Fendra Caldari Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.22 01:16:00 - [8] Originally by: Joseph 9 Originally by: Mercurye Wondered if other LGBT(*****,*, Bisexual, Transgender) people play the game.....its probably only a handful but oh well :) Im from Holland by the way Another glorious victory for the EVE-O forums langauge filter. Transgeneder and Bisexual are not swearwords, or censored or what ever but g-a-y amd l-e-s-b-i-a-n are. I presume the statement about being from Holland is to stop people from thinking your into anything really kinky, like hanging out with Germans... Saying you are from Holland kinda has the reverse effect tbh.
Mr Jay Armoured Assassins	Posted - 2007.07.22 10:45:00 - [9] Most of my corpmates are ***.
Keta Min Armoured Assassins	Posted - 2007.07.22 11:44:00 - [10] Originally by: Mr Jay Most of my corpmates are ***. truth.
Cipher7 OldBastardsPub SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.22 13:50:00 - [11] Originally by: Mercurye Myself, I m a bisexual transgender male.... Does that mean you used to be a guy or a girl? whats wrong with just being whatever you were born as? I mean I can understand "well he doesn't like girls so he's g.a.y", but to actually go chop off bodyparts...I never understood that. I'm totally straight male, I got no probs with g.a.y males, in fact the more of you there are the better because that leaves more girls for me I love it when I go shopping for clothes and I'm like the only dude at the mall, its like "yeah make way, manbeef comin through"
Mercurye Gallente	Posted - 2007.07.22 14:48:00 - [12] Yeah, I guess you dont really understand as a straight male :P --~--~--~--~ ~NOTE: Freak~
Admiral Shallow Gallente Shadow KnighT Productions	Posted - 2007.07.22 14:58:00 - [13] Originally by: Cipher7 Originally by: Mercurye Myself, I m a bisexual transgender male.... Does that mean you used to be a guy or a girl? whats wrong with just being whatever you were born as? I mean I can understand "well he doesn't like girls so he's g.a.y", but to actually go chop off bodyparts...I never understood that. I'm totally straight male, I got no probs with g.a.y males, in fact the more of you there are the better because that leaves more girls for me I love it when I go shopping for clothes and I'm like the only dude at the mall, its like "yeah make way, manbeef comin through" lol that made me giggle, n1 m8 I need that.. I also am a straight male, an I feel the same
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2007.07.22 15:15:00 - [14] Originally by: Cipher7 Originally by: Mercurye Myself, I m a bisexual transgender male.... Does that mean you used to be a guy or a girl? whats wrong with just being whatever you were born as? I mean I can understand "well he doesn't like girls so he's g.a.y", but to actually go chop off bodyparts...I never understood that. Well, though I'm not positive about any of this, I believe it has to do with self-image more than anything else. Though you may be physically male you think and act like a female, and perceive yourself that way. I imagine that if I was in a woman's body but considered myself a man, I'd want it corrected. Just my 0.02 ISK. Quote: I'm totally straight male, I got no probs with g.a.y males, in fact the more of you there are the better because that leaves more girls for me I love it when I go shopping for clothes and I'm like the only dude at the mall, its like "yeah make way, manbeef comin through" Amen! Though if all * males suddenly became straight while maintaining their superior fashion sense personal hygiene, appreciation of fashion, and willingness to talk about things other than cars, women, or food, we'd all be doomed. ------------ ULTIMATE LAG SOLUTION** IBTL! IBDS/DC! IBTC! 1st in a BoB post! And other such forum tom-foolery.
Kyozoku Mutiny.	Posted - 2007.07.22 17:39:00 - [15] Originally by: Keta Min Originally by: Mr Jay Most of my corpmates are ***. truth. It's nice to know that some of my influence stuck.
Joseph 9 Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.22 17:50:00 - [16] Originally by: Kyozoku Originally by: Keta Min Originally by: Mr Jay Most of my corpmates are *. truth. It's nice to know that some of my influence stuck. Is this * meaning attracted to members of the same sex or *** as in being a bit rubbish?
Asestorian Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.07.22 18:40:00 - [17] Knowing EVE, definitely the proper meaning. --- ---
Nuala Reece Caldari Starlancers Mordus Angels	Posted - 2007.07.23 13:16:00 - [18] Edited by: Nuala Reece on 23/07/2007 13:20:34 Originally by: Tarminic Quote: I'm totally straight male, I got no probs with g.a.y males, in fact the more of you there are the better because that leaves more girls for me I love it when I go shopping for clothes and I'm like the only dude at the mall, its like "yeah make way, manbeef comin through" Amen! Though if all *** males suddenly became straight while maintaining their superior fashion sense personal hygiene, appreciation of fashion, and willingness to talk about things other than cars, women, or food, we'd all be doomed. That's why God gave us bisexuals - lock up your daughters ... and your sons. Mercurye - try the ingame channel 'GLBTA' (or possibly 'LGBTA', I forget which) The last time I saw this discussed people came to the conclusion that it would be better to have a channel where folk could meet rather than a corp, as there were plenty of LGBT people interested in having a place to gather but also happy in the corp they were already in. Starlancers
ry ry StateCorp The State	Posted - 2007.07.23 14:38:00 - [19] Originally by: Mercurye Wondered if other LGBT(*****,*, Bisexual, Transgender) people play the game.....its probably only a handful but oh well :) Im from Holland by the way i'd imagine people are too busy shooting the crap out of each other to spend much time discussing their sexual preferences in-game!
Micheal Dietrich	Posted - 2007.07.23 16:53:00 - [20] Originally by: Cipher7 I'm totally straight male, I got no probs with g.a.y males, in fact the more of you there are the better because that leaves more girls for me I love it when I go shopping for clothes and I'm like the only dude at the mall, its like "yeah make way, manbeef comin through" That doesn't work as well as one may think. I'm a straight male and have a couple of * friends and afters months of harassing me they talk me into going to a popular dance club in downtown (which of course is loaded with * guys). So we all load up in the mini-van which ended up being 2 *s guys, my friend who is straight and married, me, and 4 chicks and I'm thinking I'm gonna be on easy street tonight with this bunch. What happened when we got there was all the chicks in the bar were hitting on the * guys, the *** guys were hitting on me, and my married friend got his packaged grabbed by a she-male on the dance floor while he was dancing with his wife. Maybe it was the cowboy hats we wore or something but we can't being rednecks.
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.07.23 17:05:00 - [21] Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Originally by: Cipher7 I'm totally straight male, I got no probs with g.a.y males, in fact the more of you there are the better because that leaves more girls for me I love it when I go shopping for clothes and I'm like the only dude at the mall, its like "yeah make way, manbeef comin through" That doesn't work as well as one may think. I'm a straight male and have a couple of * friends and afters months of harassing me they talk me into going to a popular dance club in downtown (which of course is loaded with * guys). So we all load up in the mini-van which ended up being 2 *s guys, my friend who is straight and married, me, and 4 chicks and I'm thinking I'm gonna be on easy street tonight with this bunch. What happened when we got there was all the chicks in the bar were hitting on the * guys, the * guys were hitting on me, and my married friend got his packaged grabbed by a she-male on the dance floor while he was dancing with his wife. Maybe it was the cowboy hats we wore or something but we can't being rednecks. This is why you don't do * things with * friends. They can do whatever the hell they want on their time, they should never put you on the spot with this kind of crap. Maybe its a personal failing, but I can't stand being the presence of * guys, they kinda weird me out; *** women is fine, they aren't interested in me and seem to a bit more conservative than their male counterparts. Maybe its because I went to a Roman Catholic school, they do a pretty good job drilling in the xenophobia.
Kyozoku Mutiny.	Posted - 2007.07.23 17:29:00 - [22] Edited by: Kyozoku on 23/07/2007 17:33:39 Cipher and derovious are begging for some one way cyber.
Micheal Dietrich	Posted - 2007.07.23 17:32:00 - [23] Being around * guys doesn't bother me one bit as long as they understand I'm straight and if they try to manhandle me they'll end up with a broken hand. Sure it was a bit of a shock the first time I went to a party where I was the only straight man and and seeing them make out felt kind of awkward but I've gotten over it. I don't care what they do as long as they leave me out of it. And besides this bar is a place to go have fun like other bars and around here the choices we have for bars are pretty limited. The Balcony: The new /dance club (the one we went to). All the hip people come here. The Big Easy: (lives up to it's name). Underage girls can hang out there until 10pm or midnight and they pass out ectasy and the date ****drug like theres no tomorrow. The pocket and Mulligans: Both are pool halls. Other than that you've got your run down hole in the wall bars, redneck bars, redneck kareoke bars, or bars that you need to bring insurance with knowing your most likely gonna be in the hospital at the end of the night. So it's either I hang out with friends or take my chances
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.07.23 17:40:00 - [24] Originally by: Kyozoku Edited by: Kyozoku on 23/07/2007 17:33:39 Cipher and derovious are begging for some one way cyber. I don't get it . Someone translate.
mogwai Gallente Gremlin Industries Edge Of Sanity	Posted - 2007.07.23 18:09:00 - [25] personally i'm straight, but getting a complimnent from a guy is one of the better compliments than getting one from a lass but then again, i'm a total tart, exibishonist and couldnt give a damn what folks think a wise bloke once told me 'who cares what your into... if the same gender is into you, go with it and enough the compliment' ----------------- Drones : 19 skills, 20,480,000 points
Rei Sara Kopenhagen's Bloody Buccaneers	Posted - 2007.07.23 18:50:00 - [26] Originally by: mogwai personally i'm straight, but getting a complimnent from a guy is one of the better compliments than getting one from a lass but then again, i'm a total tart, exibishonist and couldnt give a damn what folks think a wise bloke once told me 'who cares what your into... if the same gender is into you, go with it and enough the compliment' I used to be flattered when *** men would compliment or hit on me (yes, the avatar lies, MMORPG = many men online role playing girls, etc.) but after becoming good friends with some of them they let me in on the secret that, at least around here, they're not much different from straight men as far as willingness and desire to sleep with people and their compliments shouldn't necessarily be weighted any more than anyone else's. I'll mention that I specified "at least around here" because it may be regionally skewed. This is southern California and I'm starting to become convinced that everyone is just trying to have sex with everyone else in these parts. Also, on another note, I've got a question to those within the LGBT community if any care to answer it. Are transvestites (defined in the sense I'm using it as those who dress and adopt mannerisms of the opposite sex, but still retain a sexual preference solely for those of the opposite sex) considered in any way part of the LGBT community or are they sort of out on their own? - - - The Friendliest (and perhaps worst) Pirate in EVE.
Sabriam	Posted - 2007.07.23 19:10:00 - [27] Looking for a confirmation on the GLBT chat room name? And also if anybody knows the name of any of the GLBT corps, or where I could find info about them. Thanks!
Mr Armitage	Posted - 2007.07.23 21:03:00 - [28] Originally by: Cipher7 Originally by: Mercurye Myself, I m a bisexual transgender male.... Does that mean you used to be a guy or a girl? whats wrong with just being whatever you were born as? I mean I can understand "well he doesn't like girls so he's g.a.y", but to actually go chop off bodyparts...I never understood that. I'm totally straight male, I got no probs with g.a.y males, in fact the more of you there are the better because that leaves more girls for me I love it when I go shopping for clothes and I'm like the only dude at the mall, its like "yeah make way, manbeef comin through" you're thinking of transexual. Transgender is about behavior, as gender is really only a social construct defined by a parameter of behavior.
Kyozoku Mutiny.	Posted - 2007.07.23 22:03:00 - [29] Originally by: Derovius Vaden Originally by: Kyozoku Edited by: Kyozoku on 23/07/2007 17:33:39 Cipher and derovious are begging for some one way cyber. I don't get it . Someone translate. I'd show you in game but the last time I did it a gm muted me for 24 hours,
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.07.23 22:07:00 - [30] Originally by: Kyozoku Originally by: Derovius Vaden Originally by: Kyozoku Edited by: Kyozoku on 23/07/2007 17:33:39 Cipher and derovious are begging for some one way cyber. I don't get it . Someone translate. I'd show you in game but the last time I did it a gm muted me for 24 hours, Kindly keep that **** to yourself.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar Sicarri Covenant	Posted - 2007.07.23 22:43:00 - [31] Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 23/07/2007 22:44:14 And this is why I keep coming back to these forums every day... we argue about the stupidest crap And yes you can be all 4.... *****s are * and Mercurye is a transgender bisexual *edit Ok, that was nothing bad... lets see here.... the first bleep was the L..., the 3 word one was the G ;) Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking ~Liz Kali
Gojyu Gallente Ever Flow FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.24 00:49:00 - [32] Edited by: Gojyu on 24/07/2007 00:53:46 Edited by: Gojyu on 24/07/2007 00:52:59 Quote: Also, on another note, I've got a question to those within the LGBT community if any care to answer it. Are transvestites (defined in the sense I'm using it as those who dress and adopt mannerisms of the opposite sex, but still retain a sexual preference solely for those of the opposite sex) considered in any way part of the LGBT community or are they sort of out on their own? Depends on the community, in my experience (no, I'm not a transvestite), transvestites are considered members of the lgbt community usually, however, those with a tranvestite fetish (ie, those that wear the clothing of the opposite gender as a sexual act) are not.
Nuala Reece Caldari Starlancers Mordus Angels	Posted - 2007.07.24 22:53:00 - [33] Edited by: Nuala Reece on 24/07/2007 22:53:21 Indeed - if you get into queer politics it gets even broader, pretty much based on the assumption that it's based on the different identity rather than sexual identity. And, of course, when you have a group of people familiar with being discriminated against, open mindedness and acceptance often becomes a part of the identity too. As I understand it though most people prefer the term 'cross-dresser' to transvestite these days Sabrium - confirmation on that channel: it's 'GLBTA' Derovius - congratulations! You have ably demonstrated why people feel the need to have somewhere (a channel or a corp) to gather which is away from people who feel the driving need to, for example, join a thread about LGBT issues only to state that they don't like being around this sort of thing. Logic dictates a simple and expedient solution to your problem and, frankly, we don't need to hear why you don't like to be around us. Starlancers
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.07.25 00:39:00 - [34] Originally by: Nuala Reece Edited by: Nuala Reece on 24/07/2007 22:53:21 Indeed - if you get into queer politics it gets even broader, pretty much based on the assumption that it's based on the different identity rather than sexual identity. And, of course, when you have a group of people familiar with being discriminated against, open mindedness and acceptance often becomes a part of the identity too. As I understand it though most people prefer the term 'cross-dresser' to transvestite these days I was unaware that homosexuals were so different from the rest of us that they needed special representation in politics. You breed your own segregation with this nonsense. Quote: Derovius - congratulations! You have ably demonstrated why people feel the need to have somewhere (a channel or a corp) to gather which is away from people who feel the driving need to, for example, join a thread about LGBT issues only to state that they don't like being around this sort of thing. Logic dictates a simple and expedient solution to your problem and, frankly, we don't need to hear why you don't like to be around us. Excuse me, I thought I was in a thread full of adults, not spoiled children who run and hide the minute they realize someone may not approve of their choices in life. I have as much right to not like your mannerisms as you do to be a homosexual. Perhaps you should move to the middle of nowhere, so no one can form an opinion about you. Might I suggest Syberia. You expect me to blindly accept you for what you are? I don't blindly accept anyone for who they are, who the **** are you to think you are in a position for me to make exceptions for.
Nuala Reece Caldari Starlancers Mordus Angels	Posted - 2007.07.25 03:01:00 - [35] Originally by: Derovius Vaden I was unaware that homosexuals were so different from the rest of us that they needed special representation in politics. Not special representation - just equal representation. Originally by: Derovius Vaden I have as much right to not like your mannerisms as you do to be a homosexual. Well, of course you do. You also have the right to go out of your way to post on a thread titled LGBT about your dislike of being around gay people, and I have the right to point out the slight hipocrisy in that. Originally by: Derovius Vaden You expect me to blindly accept you for what you are? I don't blindly accept anyone for who they are, who the **** are you to think you are in a position for me to make exceptions for. Actually, no. I expect you to think and accept me . I expect you to be rational and not put words in my mouth about which position I'm taking. And I expect you to keep a civil tongue when you're opinions are challenged rather than resort to aggressiveness. Starlancers
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.07.25 03:22:00 - [36] Originally by: Nuala Reece Not special representation - just equal representation. There is no such thing as equal representation, and if you think otherwise, you're more out of touch with reality than I initially assumed. The majority will always be represented before the minority, as much as the minority may protest. Take for example the province I live in, Alberta; Of all the provinces, we have no debt, the greatest gross income and a majority of the nation of Canada's natural resources. Instead of having political weight being distributed on an equal footing between all provinces and territories, its based on population. Incase you don't know how the population density in Canada goes, its heavily weighted on Ontario and Quebec, and quite sparse for Alberta, BC, Saskatchewan and Manitoba. Everyones voice is equal, no matter how different the political climate is between both sides of the country, or how special some people think they are. Quote: Well, of course you do. You also have the right to go out of your way to post on a thread titled LGBT about your dislike of being around gay people, and I have the right to point out the slight hipocrisy in that. I posted in response to another guy finding it awkward going into a homosexual night club and being hit on by its patrons; I by no means knew what the hell this LGTB was until I clicked on the title and read my way down the thread. It was at this point that I clicked "quote" and replied that I would find that situation very uncomfortable, as I cannot stand their mannerisms. No one took offense to this statement but you. Quote: Actually, no. I expect you to think and accept me . I expect you to be rational and not put words in my mouth about which position I'm taking. And I expect you to keep a civil tongue when you're opinions are challenged rather than resort to aggressiveness. I am more than capable of thinking for myself, you've made the grievous error by assuming that my opinion is somehow formed by my experiences with the religious xenophobes that schooled me in my younger years. I have plenty of logical reasons not to like people of the above mentioned persuation, though this is neither the time nor the place to outline them. I don't have to accept you for who you are or what you do, I just have to mind my own business and leave you to yours. The problem lies in the fact that people like you think that you are somehow in a position to guilt those who do not share your outlook on life, but you are mistaken. Nor do I purposefully seek you out in real life or in game in an attempt to force my views upon you, or excise some manner of aggression towards you based on what I view to be character flaws. While this may be the internet, the world outside it is none the less a hard and cold one, nothing less will bring one success than strong, assertive tendencies; both in what one's views on the world are, and whats views on each other are.
Gojyu Gallente Ever Flow FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.25 03:44:00 - [37] Frankly, I couldn't give a toss about the argument, but I seriously laughed at this: Quote: Actually, no. I expect you to think and accept me Smile. I expect you to be rational and not put words in my mouth about which position I'm taking. And I expect you to keep a civil tongue when you're opinions are challenged rather than resort to aggressiveness. the response: Quote: you've made the grievous error by assuming that my opinion is somehow formed by my experiences with the religious xenophobes that schooled me in my younger years. No, of course he's completely wrong about the part where you put words in his mouth
Fendra Caldari Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.25 04:19:00 - [38] Originally by: Gojyu Frankly, I couldn't give a toss about the argument, but I seriously laughed at this: Quote: Actually, no. I expect you to think and accept me Smile. I expect you to be rational and not put words in my mouth about which position I'm taking. And I expect you to keep a civil tongue when you're opinions are challenged rather than resort to aggressiveness. the response: Quote: you've made the grievous error by assuming that my opinion is somehow formed by my experiences with the religious xenophobes that schooled me in my younger years. No, of course he's completely wrong about the part where you put words in his mouth Lol owned
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.07.25 04:41:00 - [39] Originally by: Gojyu Frankly, I couldn't give a toss about the argument, but I seriously laughed at this: Quote: Actually, no. I expect you to think and accept me Smile. I expect you to be rational and not put words in my mouth about which position I'm taking. And I expect you to keep a civil tongue when you're opinions are challenged rather than resort to aggressiveness. the response: Quote: you've made the grievous error by assuming that my opinion is somehow formed by my experiences with the religious xenophobes that schooled me in my younger years. No, of course he's completely wrong about the part where you put words in his mouth Actually, if you knew what the real insinuation was, he was attempting to put forth that I'm just a religious bigot. I can understand where someone like you, who searches 3 paragraphs of response to dissect in terms of out of context semantics, would become confused. Kindly remain out of the argument or join in, there is no peanut gallery for you to sit in and heckle.
Gojyu Gallente Ever Flow FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.25 04:53:00 - [40] This is an internet forum, the last bastion of peanut galleries everywhere. Quote: I can understand where someone like you, who searches 3 paragraphs of response to dissect in terms of out of context semantics, would become confused. Kindly remain out of the argument or join in, there is no peanut gallery for you to sit in and heckle. The first paragraph was the only one worth mentioning. Although I've often seen members of the lgbt community play the religion card, I've never seen the straight guy play it first. The other 2 paragraphs were simply your opinion, and, as they say, every single person on this world is entitled to their opinion, no matter how incorrect it is. I can't argue with that. Throw some facts on the table and I'll gladly join this discussion, as it is now it's simply two people saying "well I believe you're wrong" "na-ah, I believe you're wrong"
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.07.25 05:15:00 - [41] Originally by: Gojyu The first paragraph was the only one worth mentioning. Although I've often seen members of the lgbt community play the religion card, I've never seen the straight guy play it first. The other 2 paragraphs were simply your opinion, and, as they say, every single person on this world is entitled to their opinion, no matter how incorrect it is. I can't argue with that. Throw some facts on the table and I'll gladly join this discussion, as it is now it's simply two people saying "well I believe you're wrong" "na-ah, I believe you're wrong" You fail to add anything to this argument the moment you assume that opinions fall under the binomial context of right or wrong/good or bad. Such subjective notions of truth or relative truth are assumed to hold, even in here. So while you believe an argument to be false or wrong, you are in no position to provide proof to its invalidity short of your personal feelings towards the issue. With respect to the argument at hand, I without my statements of truth as they will undoubtedly be mistaken as hate speech, for their very nature speaks out against another's choice. More specific to said person, a visible minorities choice whose cries of persecution, regardless of validity, are always taken are absolute truth due to it being the lesser of two evils, and less serious to be considered incorrect with enforcing than the contrary. To punish a member of the majority in the name of the minority is far more acceptable, as it is easier to buckle under pressure than to rebuff the minority and face the public outcry of oppression and indifference. It is on this logic that I find all statements of homosexual persecution over inflated and take great offence that my single utterance of dislike for their mannerisms somehow accounts for baseless bigotry and hatred of those different than myself.
4rc4ng3L Gallente C R Y O FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.25 05:24:00 - [42] URAAALL TOURNAAGGMAAANNNN Death is the only true freedom, brought on by our own ignorance.... Welcome to the "free" world in which we live...
Locus Bey Gallente Qalandar	Posted - 2007.07.25 08:09:00 - [43] Originally by: Derovius Vaden Originally by: Gojyu The first paragraph was the only one worth mentioning. Although I've often seen members of the lgbt community play the religion card, I've never seen the straight guy play it first. The other 2 paragraphs were simply your opinion, and, as they say, every single person on this world is entitled to their opinion, no matter how incorrect it is. I can't argue with that. Throw some facts on the table and I'll gladly join this discussion, as it is now it's simply two people saying "well I believe you're wrong" "na-ah, I believe you're wrong" You fail to add anything to this argument the moment you assume that opinions fall under the binomial context of right or wrong/good or bad. Such subjective notions of truth or relative truth are assumed to hold, even in here. So while you believe an argument to be false or wrong, you are in no position to provide proof to its invalidity short of your personal feelings towards the issue. With respect to the argument at hand, I without my statements of truth as they will undoubtedly be mistaken as hate speech, for their very nature speaks out against another's choice. More specific to said person, a visible minorities choice whose cries of persecution, regardless of validity, are always taken are absolute truth due to it being the lesser of two evils, and less serious to be considered incorrect with enforcing than the contrary. To punish a member of the majority in the name of the minority is far more acceptable, as it is easier to buckle under pressure than to rebuff the minority and face the public outcry of oppression and indifference. It is on this logic that I find all statements of homosexual persecution over inflated and take great offence that my single utterance of dislike for their mannerisms somehow accounts for baseless bigotry and hatred of those different than myself. You really talk a lot of ** sometimes. Your acrobatic mental ********** doesn't hide the fact that you hold a position which is so ridiculous as a man and a human being, that I can see even you recognize it deep down If you were truely secure in your manhood you would see how intellectually and emotionally archaic your 'position' is. Get your hand off it, don't worry it will still be there
Kyozoku Mutiny.	Posted - 2007.07.25 09:14:00 - [44] Stop it! The fag thread is for being fabulous not for having some childish debate. This pit for pat ego contest is really pathetic.
Mercurye Gallente	Posted - 2007.07.25 09:52:00 - [45] Lets keep it somewhat on topic ^^ Channel is GLBTA as I found out.. --~--~--~--~ ~NOTE: Freak~
ry ry StateCorp The State	Posted - 2007.07.25 10:03:00 - [46] Mercurye, generally all the best people ignore the official forums because they're full of mongs, attention seekers and some unholy combination of the two. Personally, i'm very much into mongish attention seeking so the forums suit me down to the ground, but if you want to have a sensible chat about anything there are other, better eve forums where the likes of me aren't welcome. they don't need to filter the word '***' either, which speaks volumes about both forums. dunno whether you'll get the response you're looking for, but at least it'll be written in actual words.
Locus Bey Gallente Qalandar	Posted - 2007.07.25 10:30:00 - [47] It's really interesting to me the rise in transvestism and people considering themselves transexuals in the west of late. I've travelled a lot in Asia/Oceania and seen the kaleidoscope, from being considered holy in India, to boys being raised as girls in Samoa, through to the plethora of lady boys in Thailand. Especially in the case of transexuals in the west, there really seems to be a sea change both in terms of societies view and of those who are intersex. Where not so long ago it was taboo, it seems to me the umbrella of transgender has opened up identity in a very positive way. (I am not ignoring the complex 'condition' of transexualism, that for many is a painful experience, just noting I think for many younger transexuals identity seems to be a broader more positive zone. ) Will be interesting to see over the next few years whether we grow in terms of our identity or retreat back into the closet so to speak.
Nuala Reece Caldari Starlancers Mordus Angels	Posted - 2007.07.25 16:13:00 - [48] Originally by: Derovius Vaden Actually, if you knew what the real insinuation was, he was attempting to put forth that I'm just a religious bigot. I don't remember insinuating you were religious. Starlancers
Shameless Avenger	Posted - 2007.07.25 16:55:00 - [49] I also went to a Roman Catholic School, with nuns and all. I was told to stay away from all kinds of alternative people. Later in life, I had a girlfriend with many friends from all alternative lifestyles. I met a lot of weird personalities but I also learned that most of them are just people, like everybody else. I also learned that if you are shoopping for a fake rack, South America is the way to go.
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2007.07.25 16:58:00 - [50] Originally by: Derovius Vaden I posted in response to another guy finding it awkward going into a homosexual night club and being hit on by its patrons; I by no means knew what the hell this LGTB was until I clicked on the title and read my way down the thread. It was at this point that I clicked "quote" and replied that I would find that situation very uncomfortable, as I cannot stand their mannerisms. No one took offense to this statement but you. Actually, I would have taken offense to that too had I read it. ------------ ULTIMATE LAG SOLUTION IBTL! IBDS/DC! IBTC! 1st in a BoB post! And other such forum tom-foolery.
Rei Sara Kopenhagen's Bloody Buccaneers	Posted - 2007.07.25 17:40:00 - [51] Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: Derovius Vaden I posted in response to another guy finding it awkward going into a homosexual night club and being hit on by its patrons; I by no means knew what the hell this LGTB was until I clicked on the title and read my way down the thread. It was at this point that I clicked "quote" and replied that I would find that situation very uncomfortable, as I cannot stand their mannerisms. No one took offense to this statement but you. Actually, I would have taken offense to that too had I read it. I should know better than to get involved in this, but I have to second that it is indeed an offensive statement. You can't say that you dislike the general mannerisms of any group of people and not expect to offend the members of said group. Yes, I know I'm not really contributing much with that statement, but I don't think such fallacy could ever be rebuffed too much. - - - Rei Sara - The Friendliest (and perhaps worst) Pirate in EVE.
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.07.25 18:01:00 - [52] Originally by: Shameless Avenger I also went to a Roman Catholic School, with nuns and all. I was told to stay away from all kinds of alternative people. Later in life, I had a girlfriend with many friends from all alternative lifestyles. I met a lot of weird personalities but I also learned that most of them are just people, like everybody else. I also learned that if you are shoopping for a fake rack, South America is the way to go. The question is, would you have even dealt with these individuals if there was not a 3rd party twisting your arm (either conciously or subconciously) to accept them? We both know if you made a point not to talk to these people while they were over, you'd not get any loving from the misses. I am not one to submit to another's opinion while having my arm twisted, either physically or emotionally. These people need to prove themselves to be something more than a self indulgent bunch of hedonists before I give so much as an inch. Quote: Actually, I would have taken offense to that too had I read it. Good for you, back up your grievance with a reason, or you will be ignored in the future. Quote: I should know better than to get involved in this, but I have to second that it is indeed an offensive statement. You can't say that you dislike the general mannerisms of any group of people and not expect to offend the members of said group. Yes, I know I'm not really contributing much with that statement, but I don't think such fallacy could ever be rebuffed too much. I can say whatever I damn please, and they will have to swallow it; just as they can do whatever they want, and I have to accept the fact that I have no control over it.
Ixianus	Posted - 2007.07.25 18:21:00 - [53] Ohh God quit whining, the thread isnt about you and your aversion to homosexuals.
Micheal Dietrich Cynical Cartel	Posted - 2007.07.25 18:23:00 - [54] So this whole argument started because of my story of the nightclub? Look, I don't mind homosexuals as long as they realize I'm straight. I can guarantee that if it had been my package grabbed instead of my friends the offenser would be leaving with a broken jaw, but I'm not going to go out of my way to bully these people. And personally starting a argument in this thread is just downright stupid. Theres no reason to come in here and talk about the evils of homosexuality when all they wanted is the name of a chat channel in game where they can do their thing and be out of everyones way. Who gives a ** what they think and who gives a what you think. If I don't like the topic of a thread 90% of the time I don't even bother posting in it because to me it really doesn't matter but to come in and make a drawn out argument makes every one on both sides look like an ass. If someone tries to argue with me I just blow it off cause seriously, it's just a avatar trying to be impressive. If I continue the fight I'm just toying with them. Since the channel has been found I would like to see this thread locked so the ******ness can stop. ___________________________ Never Forget, Never Forgive
Rei Sara Kopenhagen's Bloody Buccaneers	Posted - 2007.07.25 19:05:00 - [55] Originally by: Derovius Vaden (...) No one took offense to this statement but you. Originally by: Derovius Vaden Originally by: Rei Sara I should know better than to get involved in this, but I have to second that it is indeed an offensive statement. You can't say that you dislike the general mannerisms of any group of people and not expect to offend the members of said group. Yes, I know I'm not really contributing much with that statement, but I don't think such fallacy could ever be rebuffed too much. I can say whatever I damn please, and they will have to swallow it; just as they can do whatever they want, and I have to accept the fact that I have no control over it. Indeed you can say whatever you want, and I don't think anyone is challenging that. I only wanted to emphasize that your belief that only one person seemed to care about the offensiveness of your statement was untrue, and to try to put it into a more general perspective. Whatever the case, I'm over it. Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Since the channel has been found I would like to see this thread locked so the ********ness can stop. I'll second that one too. At this point the argument is pointless as everyone involved isn't going to be backing down. Remarks such as Vaden's are only going to further aggravate the rest of us and any reactions to said aggravation will only continue conflict. - - - Rei Sara - The Friendliest (and perhaps worst) Pirate in EVE.
mamolian M. Corp M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.07.25 21:32:00 - [56] Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Look, I don't mind homosexuals as long as they realize I'm straight. I can guarantee that if it had been my package grabbed instead of my friends the offenser would be leaving with a broken jaw, but I'm not going to go out of my way to bully these people. Michael, a brisk "Not interested" would be just as effective. As breaking someone's jaw, might see you spending time behind bars in most countries, where you may not be given the opportunity to say no.. if you catch my drift. -------------------------------
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.07.25 21:37:00 - [57] Originally by: mamolian Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Look, I don't mind homosexuals as long as they realize I'm straight. I can guarantee that if it had been my package grabbed instead of my friends the offenser would be leaving with a broken jaw, but I'm not going to go out of my way to bully these people. Michael, a brisk "Not interested" would be just as effective. As breaking someone's jaw, might see you spending time behind bars in most countries, where you may not be given the opportunity to say no.. if you catch my drift. Self defense is just that, and no matter who the victimizer may be, you are allowed to use enough force to remove yourself from harms way. Plus, they have to prove it was you who broke his jaw, which may be more than a chore without an impartial third party standing next to you with a cellphone to take pictures of the deed.
mamolian M. Corp M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.07.25 21:46:00 - [58] Originally by: Derovius Vaden Self defense is just that, and no matter who the victimizer may be, you are allowed to use enough force to remove yourself from harms way. Plus, they have to prove it was you who broke his jaw, which may be more than a chore without an impartial third party standing next to you with a cellphone to take pictures of the deed. Self defence.. bizarre. Its worked in the past I guess.. as a legal argument.. But I don't think any civilised person could consider it the right thing to do in this situation. -------------------------------
Mercurye Gallente	Posted - 2007.07.25 22:05:00 - [59] Just today I got a discussion in Local channel going on.....someone was talking about some Red Alliance people and called them nanofags....so I kind of got irritated and frustrated by that and asked him why he said it, so he came with a whole waslist of information, Well the discussion went on and I made it clear I knew atleast one thing about him because of what he said; he was a straight male ( and no, I dont go off at demographics) So he came and outsmarted me( very good at it ^^) knewing even more about me; I had an internet connection, it was daylight, I had no cats, I was under 30, wasnt married, was a male. Some of these things were wrong( and thank god they are, wouldnt like it then ^^)..so he would come back at me in 24 hours . Not sure if I want to hear what he has to say next but he sounded really "cool and smooth" Calling things****s or anything close to it isnt cool and smooth in my opinion Myabe I am just too sensitive for this all. And then the guys come in and say "Grow a backbone". --~--~--~--~ ~NOTE: Freak~
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.07.25 22:28:00 - [60] Originally by: Mercurye Just today I got a discussion in Local channel going on.....someone was talking about some Red Alliance people and called them nanofags....so I kind of got irritated and frustrated by that and asked him why he said it, so he came with a whole waslist of information, Well the discussion went on and I made it clear I knew atleast one thing about him because of what he said; he was a straight male ( and no, I dont go off at demographics) So he came and outsmarted me( very good at it ^^) knewing even more about me; I had an internet connection, it was daylight, I had no cats, I was under 30, wasnt married, was a male. Some of these things were wrong( and thank god they are, wouldnt like it then ^^)..so he would come back at me in 24 hours . Not sure if I want to hear what he has to say next but he sounded really "cool and smooth" Calling things**s or anything close to it isnt cool and smooth in my opinion Myabe I am just too sensitive for this all. And then the guys come in and say "Grow a backbone". Live by example, stop being a whiny little... well. There is a reason why the coinage is used to denounce someone as irrating. The same goes with calling someone a ***, or a woman. (Normal) men are aggressive, and those who are not aggressive appear weak and to be easy targets.
Ultra Violence Obsidian Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.25 22:41:00 - [61] Originally by: mamolian Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Look, I don't mind homosexuals as long as they realize I'm straight. I can guarantee that if it had been my package grabbed instead of my friends the offenser would be leaving with a broken jaw, but I'm not going to go out of my way to bully these people. Michael, a brisk "Not interested" would be just as effective. As breaking someone's jaw, might see you spending time behind bars in most countries, where you may not be given the opportunity to say no.. if you catch my drift. lollerskates! That's gold, my friend Well done indeed
EvilPhog Amarr Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.07.25 22:45:00 - [62] Originally by: Micheal Dietrich So this whole argument started because of my story of the nightclub? Look, I don't mind homosexuals as long as they realize I'm straight. You just don't like it when they ram it down your throat? (GLBTA Channel)
Red Gabba JuBa Corp	Posted - 2007.07.25 22:48:00 - [63] Originally by: ry ry Originally by: Mercurye Wondered if other LGBT(*****,, Bisexual, Transgender) people play the game.....its probably only a handful but oh well :) Im from Holland by the way i'd imagine people are too busy shooting the crap out of each other to spend much time discussing their sexual preferences in-game! Not true, i shot someone the other day and they replied "Your **" JuBa Corp
Frogsley Babylon. Combined Planetary Union	Posted - 2007.07.25 22:51:00 - [64] Originally by: Red Gabba Originally by: ry ry Originally by: Mercurye Wondered if other LGBT(*****,, Bisexual, Transgender) people play the game.....its probably only a handful but oh well :) Im from Holland by the way i'd imagine people are too busy shooting the crap out of each other to spend much time discussing their sexual preferences in-game! Not true, i shot someone the other day and they replied "Your " Well it should have been 'You're'. Straight or *, there's no excuse for bad grammar.
Red Gabba JuBa Corp	Posted - 2007.07.25 23:03:00 - [65] Originally by: Frogsley Originally by: Red Gabba Originally by: ry ry Originally by: Mercurye Wondered if other LGBT(*****,, Bisexual, Transgender) people play the game.....its probably only a handful but oh well :) Im from Holland by the way i'd imagine people are too busy shooting the crap out of each other to spend much time discussing their sexual preferences in-game! Not true, i shot someone the other day and they replied "Your " Well it should have been 'You're'. Straight or *, there's no excuse for bad grammar. Was there a need for your correction? JuBa Corp
EvilPhog Amarr Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.07.25 23:05:00 - [66] This thread is being *****blobbed. :D
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.07.25 23:14:00 - [67] Originally by: EvilPhog This thread is being ***blobbed. :D Just be happy they don't ***blob you.
Nealla Fraer Gallente R.O.N.E	Posted - 2007.07.26 01:11:00 - [68] Originally by: Derovius Vaden Originally by: EvilPhog This thread is being ***blobbed. :D Just be happy they don't ***blob you. Idk, He might like it.
Micheal Dietrich Cynical Cartel	Posted - 2007.07.26 02:48:00 - [69] Originally by: mamolian Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Look, I don't mind homosexuals as long as they realize I'm straight. I can guarantee that if it had been my package grabbed instead of my friends the offenser would be leaving with a broken jaw, but I'm not going to go out of my way to bully these people. Michael, a brisk "Not interested" would be just as effective. As breaking someone's jaw, might see you spending time behind bars in most countries, where you may not be given the opportunity to say no.. if you catch my drift. Well sure if they come up and start hitting on me then I could say something like that and it's all understood but when someone comes up and manhandles you like a priest then a fist to the face is in order. I mean I just don't go around grabbing boobs at random cause it's rude and uncalled for and I would expect a very cold reception to that act. A simple handshake would suffice... ___________________________ Never Forget, Never Forgive
ry ry StateCorp The State	Posted - 2007.07.26 09:28:00 - [70] most of you should be flattered if anybody was coming onto you. Man, woman, animal, vegetable or mineral - it's gotta be a step up from fantasising about officer spawns.
Keta Min Armoured Assassins	Posted - 2007.07.26 11:06:00 - [71] Originally by: ry ry most of you should be flattered if anybody was coming onto you. Man, woman, animal, vegetable or mineral - it's gotta be a step up from fantasising about officer spawns. win.
Dr Paithos Minmatar Republic Deep Space Institute	Posted - 2007.07.26 11:54:00 - [72] Originally by: ry ry most of you should be flattered if anybody was coming onto you. Man, woman, animal, vegetable or mineral - it's gotta be a step up from fantasising about officer spawns. Ooh Hakim, love me long time Originally by: RedFall How dare you try to argue my point with your so called "evidence". I don't need any, I have truthiness on my side.
Darteis Elosia	Posted - 2007.07.26 17:18:00 - [73] Originally by: ry ry most of you should be flattered if anybody was coming onto you. Man, woman, animal, vegetable or mineral - it's gotta be a step up from fantasising about officer spawns. Actually.. No... One night i decided to out to a club in my hometown. I thought to myself "hmpf... i'll probably find someone i know there at least.." That was unfourtunalty not the case. I ended up having a really bad time, i had downed 2 dry martinis and went downstairs to watch the people dance o the floor while relfelcting upon my life. I told the bartender, a hot blonde in her best years, "A dry martini please" and got the reply "Sorry i don't have those kinds of glasses, but if it's to any conselation i can make you annother really good drink". I answerd "Sounds good, hit me." She started hacking up ice, mixing and finnaly poured up a light candy coloured blue drink with crushed ice served in a wine glass with a little umbrella in it.. I dind t give it much thought other than.. "hmm looks a bit *, but i'll give it a try" said and done, drink tasted good altough it wasnt really my type of drink, way too sweet. It was like drinking liquid alcoholic candy. Halv way through the drink, the DJ spins annother tune and half the dance floor comes to order. Some guy stands next to me, i could smell the vomit and lacking hygeine from a meter away. He bought to beers and screamed something indistiguishible in my ear. I asked him "What?" several times, and he was getting more and more annoying. Finnaly he managed to state "Don't you want the beer i bought you?" Then i understood. I told him "No.." and did my best to ignore. He then says "Well.. hey.. maybe you wanna go out on the dance floor? You and me, whaddaya say?" I told him "Sorry mate i'm not into that sort of stuff.. The drunk, vomit smelling and discgusting peice of takes a look at my drink and says "Heh yeah right you *******got!" Was quite and akward moment really but funny as hell after i realized what just he ** happend. I had to order annother drink, not the same one though. I don't know if the bartender was bored and decided to have a little fun with me as a victim of sorts but she kept a damn good stright face, couldn t see her poke a funny smile at me even.

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