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Foxstein
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Posted - 2007.07.22 03:57:00 -
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looking for advise on a rifter setup using Tech 2
Thanks :)
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NoNah
Marzipan Monkeys Distant Star Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.22 04:44:00 -
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3x 200mm Autocanon II 1x Rocket Launcher II*
1x 1MN MicroWarpDrive II 1x Faint Epsilon Warp I (It doesnt have to be all t2 does it?) 1x 'Balmer' Tracking Disruptor*
1x Overdrive Injector II 2x Gyrostabilizer II
3x Polycarbon Enginehousing I(I)
* One of these should go for a cap mod. Either a nos or a cap recharger II. Might have to remove a gyrostab for a propulsion mod for it to fit.
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Foxstein
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Posted - 2007.07.22 05:50:00 -
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Originally by: NoNah 3x 200mm Autocanon II 1x Rocket Launcher II*
1x 1MN MicroWarpDrive II 1x Faint Epsilon Warp I (It doesnt have to be all t2 does it?) 1x 'Balmer' Tracking Disruptor*
1x Overdrive Injector II 2x Gyrostabilizer II
3x Polycarbon Enginehousing I(I)
* One of these should go for a cap mod. Either a nos or a cap recharger II. Might have to remove a gyrostab for a propulsion mod for it to fit.
Setup looks good -- Thanks, I will try it out.
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Tsanse Kinske
WeMeanYouKnowHarm
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Posted - 2007.07.22 06:41:00 -
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Yay, 140 million in rigs on a T1 frigate with zero tank. /o\
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Illistar DeathWing
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Posted - 2007.07.22 06:48:00 -
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As much as I love rifters... that seems like a very expensive thing to be putting on a trow away tackler.
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People Eater
Gun Metal Priests The Makhai
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Posted - 2007.07.22 07:15:00 -
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Originally by: NoNah 3x 200mm Autocanon II 1x Rocket Launcher II*
1x 1MN MicroWarpDrive II 1x Faint Epsilon Warp I (It doesnt have to be all t2 does it?) 1x 'Balmer' Tracking Disruptor*
1x Overdrive Injector II 2x Gyrostabilizer II
3x Polycarbon Enginehousing I(I)
* One of these should go for a cap mod. Either a nos or a cap recharger II. Might have to remove a gyrostab for a propulsion mod for it to fit.
This setup is basically the same as any inty fitted with a mwd+scrambler. Why waste all that money when you can spend 7mil buying an inty and have it go even faster?
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Gunner Cid
The Carebear Stare
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Posted - 2007.07.22 07:49:00 -
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Originally by: Foxstein looking for advise on a rifter setup using Tech 2
Thanks :)
Fun Rifta, normally kills ratting cruisers np, well at least the ones I encounter
3 150mm II, 1 Rocket mwd, web, scram sar2, 200RT, Gyro
Normally use emp/pp/foxfire carry hail Does like 2500ms
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LMAAAOOOO
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Posted - 2007.07.22 11:19:00 -
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Originally by: Gunner Cid
Originally by: Foxstein looking for advise on a rifter setup using Tech 2
Thanks :)
Fun Rifta, normally kills ratting cruisers np, well at least the ones I encounter
3 150mm II, 1 Rocket mwd, web, scram sar2, 200RT, Gyro
Normally use emp/pp/foxfire carry hail Does like 2500ms
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RogueWing
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.07.22 11:39:00 -
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Originally by: People Eater
This setup is basically the same as any inty fitted with a mwd+scrambler. Why waste all that money when you can spend 7mil buying an inty and have it go even faster?
Because any Inty will see a Rifter and say "Oh, I can take him." and then they get the suprise of their lifetime when they engage.
I got a buddy who flies T2 Rifters around and just eats Interceptors for breakfast.
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Litus Arowar
Amarr Obsidian Asylum Pure.
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Posted - 2007.07.22 18:10:00 -
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Originally by: RogueWing
Originally by: People Eater
This setup is basically the same as any inty fitted with a mwd+scrambler. Why waste all that money when you can spend 7mil buying an inty and have it go even faster?
Because any Inty will see a Rifter and say "Oh, I can take him." and then they get the suprise of their lifetime when they engage.
I got a buddy who flies T2 Rifters around and just eats Interceptors for breakfast.
unfortunately the rifter fit he's referring to can't even spank an incompetent inty pilot... it has a 7.5km scram and ACs... it also has a tracking disruptor, though the poster suggests you replace it with a cap mod
it has a passive hitpoint tank that consists of 490 shields, 440 armour, and 420 structure... my crusader can easily keep a point on that rifter with the MWD running long enough to destroy him without taking any damage at all
the second one is far more likely to survive, as it might get within 13km of an inty and hit him with a heatweb
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Cpt Branko
Guardian Heroes
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Posted - 2007.07.23 09:51:00 -
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Originally by: NoNah 3x 200mm Autocanon II 1x Rocket Launcher II*
1x 1MN MicroWarpDrive II 1x Faint Epsilon Warp I (It doesnt have to be all t2 does it?) 1x 'Balmer' Tracking Disruptor*
Highs are fine (although I do prefer 150mm IIs, they're significantly cheaper).
1mn MWD T2 is a cap-eating beast. I always use either the best named (catalyzed cold gas, 2.9mil) if I need the top speed, or just the named one (something, 0.4mil) if a bit less is OK but loss price is an issue. And with a frig, loss price is typically a issue Tracking distruptor is actually good in a few specialised situations, but for general-purpose, you need a web. If you ever hope to catch anything fast and keep it there (what your lows/rigs suggest), then you need the web.
If you remember how it's done, MWD is just for the approach, at 10km you shut it off and activate web.
Originally by: NoNah
1x Overdrive Injector II 2x Gyrostabilizer II
Er, what's the tank on this thing? Speed-tank? Doesn't work in combination with ACs, since when you're webbed, the speed is gone, what will happen vs any sensible cruiser / frig pilot.
Originally by: NoNah
3x Polycarbon Enginehousing I(I)
150 mil worth of rigs on a Rifter? As much as I love these things, this is insane. First off, yes, it might actually catch a *short-range* inty.
But you don't want to catch them, because you're flying a 160+mil ship with no tank whatsoever, and a blaster taranis will eat you alive.
Long range inties you won't catch if they've got a comparably expensive fit, and getting 2-3 volleys from a crow (which you will certainly get before you catch it even if you do) will place your armour in deep, deep red.
Originally by: Gunner Cid
3 150mm II, 1 Rocket mwd, web, scram sar2, 200RT, Gyro
Normally use emp/pp/foxfire carry hail Does like 2500ms
Now, this is how you setup a Rifter properly. I prefer using barrage (and thorn rockets), though, since it's got a very nice mix of explosive and kinetic and typically the tracking penalty doesn't do anything significant, while the extra falloff helps.
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NoNah
Marzipan Monkeys Distant Star Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.23 10:25:00 -
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Did I say it was sane? But if you look at it, mines the only one with(almost) a straight t2 fit. Even I could however not manage to get it all t2, its just unbearable.
Would I fly this? No. Would I recommend it? No. Would it be fun to fly? Hell yeah. If you've got the money to throw on it - sure, I see no reason to but... I'd call it irony, but that would be a waste ey?
And in my book, the most common and good reason to fly a rifter is to learn. And the above setup is a great way to learn - fast. And it uses a straight t2 fit. As requested.
(btw, if you manage to get 3x t2 polycarbons for 150 mil, Ill buy them off ya with a decent margin for you. ;) )
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Cpt Branko
Guardian Heroes
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Posted - 2007.07.23 10:35:00 -
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Originally by: NoNah Did I say it was sane? But if you look at it, mines the only one with(almost) a straight t2 fit. Even I could however not manage to get it all t2, its just unbearable.
Would I fly this? No. Would I recommend it? No. Would it be fun to fly? Hell yeah. If you've got the money to throw on it - sure, I see no reason to but... I'd call it irony, but that would be a waste ey?
And in my book, the most common and good reason to fly a rifter is to learn. And the above setup is a great way to learn - fast. And it uses a straight t2 fit. As requested.
(btw, if you manage to get 3x t2 polycarbons for 150 mil, Ill buy them off ya with a decent margin for you. ;) )
You're just being silly
The fit above by Gunner Cid was also a (essentially) T2 fit, except in places where best named is outright better then T2 (plates), T2 MWD is also debatable on a Rifter, as is the web/scram (CPU-wise, for starters).
It also kills more and is therefore more fun. The fit you gave would get obliterated by it, for example. That's why it's a bad fit, regardless of cost.
Anyway, i was reffering to the price of polycarbon Is in my part of space. I cannot imagine anyone would ever fit polycarbon IIs on a Rifter :P
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Kalazar
Amarr Veto. Academy Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.07.23 11:16:00 -
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3x 150mm AC II 1x Rocket launcher
1x MWD (t2 or best named) 1x x5 web 1x J5b warp scrambler
1x Gyrostab II 1x 200mm RT plate 1x SAR II
A good fit that, has served me well. ----------------------------------------------
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sariss
Art of War Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.07.23 12:29:00 -
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This thread delivers
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Lars Intarestum
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Posted - 2007.07.23 16:21:00 -
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Originally by: Kalazar 3x 150mm AC II 1x Rocket launcher
1x MWD (t2 or best named) 1x x5 web 1x J5b warp scrambler
1x Gyrostab II 1x 200mm RT plate 1x SAR II
A good fit that, has served me well.
Don't have quickfit on me, but will this fit 200s?
Also, what would you guys suggest if I wanted a "RAMBODAKKADAKKA" Hail shooting fit?
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Lore Isander
Caldari Paisti
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Posted - 2007.07.23 17:07:00 -
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Originally by: Lars Intarestum
Originally by: Kalazar 3x 150mm AC II 1x Rocket launcher
1x MWD (t2 or best named) 1x x5 web 1x J5b warp scrambler
1x Gyrostab II 1x 200mm RT plate 1x SAR II
A good fit that, has served me well.
Don't have quickfit on me, but will this fit 200s?
Also, what would you guys suggest if I wanted a "RAMBODAKKADAKKA" Hail shooting fit?
Nope, doesnt fit with 200mm II.
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Zkillz kun
Beets and Gravy Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.07.23 17:20:00 -
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Edited by: Zkillz kun on 23/07/2007 17:22:03
Originally by: Kalazar 3x 150mm AC II 1x Rocket launcher
1x MWD (t2 or best named) 1x x5 web 1x J5b warp scrambler
1x Gyrostab II 1x 200mm RT plate 1x SAR II
A good fit that, has served me well.
rocket > nos 200rt > eanm mwd should be named for cap usage try to squeze on the 200mm's :<
unbonused rocket dps is negligible and a nos will help aintain your rep if you had to mwd for any extended period of time. also offline your mwd for the extra cap as soon as you get into orbit
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Cpt Branko
Guardian Heroes
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Posted - 2007.07.23 22:54:00 -
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Originally by: Zkillz kun
rocket > nos 200rt > eanm mwd should be named for cap usage try to squeze on the 200mm's :<
unbonused rocket dps is negligible and a nos will help aintain your rep if you had to mwd for any extended period of time. also offline your mwd for the extra cap as soon as you get into orbit
1) Well, small nos won't *really* harm anyone else's tank, and while it *may* give you a few extra rep cycles, rockets give you 10ish DPS. On a frig, i practically always prefer the extra DPS on it, since tanking it for long isn't going to happen anyway.
2) You're being daft if you replace the 200mm RT plate for a EANM (not sure if fits very well, too, CPU-wise, but can't log in). Agility on a Rifter is superb anyway, as is the MWD speed (about 2.6km/s with catalyzed cold-gas), so no worry about nerfing that. On the other hand, long-term tanking on a frig is not going to happen. Having a handy buffer (effectively doubling armour HP) beats having 20% more resists by a long shot, especially when you recieve a solid bit of burst damage.
3) I agree about fitting a named MWD. T2 eats up more cap, and you don't want that.
4) Don't *always* offline it the MWD when you hit orbit. If you have to bugger out (and are not webbed), the MWD will save you. 25% more cap won't, and you won't be able to online it. If you need to rep a lot, you'll most likely die anyway. Sometimes makes sense against frigs.
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Foulis
Minmatar Chosen Path FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.23 23:35:00 -
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Originally by: Zkillz kun Edited by: Zkillz kun on 23/07/2007 17:22:03
Originally by: Kalazar 3x 150mm AC II 1x Rocket launcher
1x MWD (t2 or best named) 1x x5 web 1x J5b warp scrambler
1x Gyrostab II 1x 200mm RT plate 1x SAR II
A good fit that, has served me well.
rocket > nos 200rt > eanm
>_> <_< didja mess up just a bit?
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