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baaaaal	Posted - 2007.07.23 02:27:00 - [31] Originally by: Tortun Nahme Originally by: Gutsani eula isnt worth anything in court anyway .. only 1 or 2 coutnries on the planet have EVER overturned an eula. Furthermore, it doesn't matter if it holds up in court because no court can FORCE ccp to let you play if they choose to deny you service (ie ban) proof or stfu. eula doesnt stand up in most courts outside of america because its like a binding contract that you can not see when you purchase the non refundable game. care to sign a contract before you can see what your agreeing to? lawsuits against mmo's are being taken far more serious recently as well with all the stuff going on around second life people seem to understand them more.
Dahin Maza Nostra oooh Shiny	Posted - 2007.07.23 02:39:00 - [32] If someone gets a banstick over something as trivial as a skillchange, I'd suggest they fax over to ccp a copy of an "empowering" legal document (or however this doc is named in english). You know, like those legal documents empowering someone to do something in your behalf. Over here the process of making such a document is trivial at least, and it would probably save your account since EULA's don't mean anything as long as there are legal documents involved. Let's also not forget the fact that all major alliances are sharing their supercap accounts with the knowledge of CCP.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.07.23 02:43:00 - [33] it's not allowed because it cost you money. are you allowed to sahre your bank account numbers? no.. what happens if you share your account information and you try to bring it to court? they say hahahaha no bad it's your fluat we can't do anything. you didn't read my last post did ou. it's not an opinion it's a rule. ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP
Narisa Fordring Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2007.07.23 02:43:00 - [34] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar No company is under any obligation to supply you with a service if they choose not to. You cannot sue a salesman, for not wanting to sell you something. This isn't entirely true here in the US anyway. If the salesman is a different color than me, I can claim he's racist and won't sell to me. If I'm pregnant I can claim discrimination... the list goes on. The US is unfortunately the home of frivolous lawsuits. As to an EULA however, they are not typically a legally binding document but rather a set of guidelines or "rules of conduct" if you will. The document that is legally binding is the TOS (Terms of Service) because the TOS is what CCP says they're selling you for your monthly subscription. To summarize, the EULA is the user's way of saying "I won't pee in your pool" and the TOS is CCP's way of saying "You can use my pee-free* pool for $$ per month". If I break the EULA, I get kicked out. If CCP violates the TOS, I could sue for "services not provided". * Naturally the pool isn't guaranteed pee-free 24/7
Gabriel Aaron Amarr Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.07.23 02:57:00 - [35] Originally by: Dahin If someone gets a banstick over something as trivial as a skillchange, I'd suggest they fax over to ccp a copy of an "empowering" legal document (or however this doc is named in english). You know, like those legal documents empowering someone to do something in your behalf. Over here the process of making such a document is trivial at least, and it would probably save your account since EULA's don't mean anything as long as there are legal documents involved. Let's also not forget the fact that all major alliances are sharing their supercap accounts with the knowledge of CCP. You are talking about a Power of Attorney. I have one for my wife for when I deploy overseas with the military. Omega Fleet Enterprises is Recruiting!
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Spartan Industries Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.07.23 03:11:00 - [36] Originally by: Narisa Fordring This isn't entirely true here in the US anyway. If the salesman is a different color than me, I can claim he's racist and won't sell to me. If I'm pregnant I can claim discrimination... the list goes on. The US is unfortunately the home of frivolous lawsuits. I was expecting that from the OP Good point and true. But lets say, I have some really tasty bacon to sell, and you come along demanding that I sell it to you. I am under NO obligation, even if you offer me well over the going price. Of course I would be stupid to refuse mmm Bacon I, erm, like kill things and stuff
Hannobaal Gallente Dragonfire Intergalactic Crusaders of Krom Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.23 03:14:00 - [37] It's not really fully your account. It's CCP's. They let you use it for payment under the terms they have set up. Terms that you agree to follow when you set up your account. It's like renting an apartment. Yes, you pay for it, but that doesn't mean you're free to do with it as you please. ------------------
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.07.23 03:22:00 - [38] Originally by: Gabriel Aaron Originally by: Dahin If someone gets a banstick over something as trivial as a skillchange, I'd suggest they fax over to ccp a copy of an "empowering" legal document (or however this doc is named in english). You know, like those legal documents empowering someone to do something in your behalf. Over here the process of making such a document is trivial at least, and it would probably save your account since EULA's don't mean anything as long as there are legal documents involved. Let's also not forget the fact that all major alliances are sharing their supercap accounts with the knowledge of CCP. to the op Objection You are talking about a Power of Attorney. I have one for my wife for when I deploy overseas with the military. ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP
Indomitus Rex Amarr H.Y.D.R.A. GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.23 03:23:00 - [39] Don't even know why we have an EULA. There was a metric crap-ton of info given to CCP about Titans being shared by multiple people and they quickly changed the EULA to "well, it isn't our problem and if you lose your account, tough." Sig removed. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] with a link to your signature. - Elmo Pug
ghosttr Amarr ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.23 03:30:00 - [40] Well if CCP banned everyone that has shared accounts there might be 5 people left playing. In the year that I have played ive had to call or email a friend to do me a favor and change that skill . Do not read this thread!!!
SiJira	Posted - 2007.07.23 03:33:00 - [41] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Originally by: Gutsani eula isnt worth anything in court anyway .. its only valid in verry limited circumstances, but it does not define new laws! it only states how those laws are handled. as such, something you pay for is your property, be it rented or bought. I think the op is right, if someone got it into his head to sue ccp for banning him for account sharing; chance is big he would win.. In noddy land maybe he would win. You ever heard the expression, ROAR. No company is under any obligation to supply you with a service if they choose not to. You cannot sue a salesman, for not wanting to sell you something. The only thing binding is the contract, and by breaking the EULA, you terminate that contract. If CCP banned you for breaking the EULA, and then cancel your subscription, what exactly are you going to sue them for? You are not paying them any more, and are no longer a customer, so what kind of damages would you expect to receive Love the generation of litigation qft ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
Moon Kitten GoonFleet	Posted - 2007.07.23 03:37:00 - [42] Edited by: Moon Kitten on 23/07/2007 03:38:42 Hey guys do you remember this reply by CCP Fear Originally by: CCP Fear as account sharing is forbidden ;) " ;) " " " Do we have any smiley experts who can explain what CCP Fear meant by the use of the wink emoticon also known as ;) or ? he he I live under a bridge
Maya Rkell Third Grade Ergonomics	Posted - 2007.07.23 03:43:00 - [43] Originally by: Indomitus Rex Don't even know why we have an EULA. There was a metric crap-ton of info given to CCP about Titans being shared by multiple people and they quickly changed the EULA to "well, it isn't our problem and if you lose your account, tough." Untrue. It's allways been like this. If your account was shared, they'll laugh if you try and report it stolen. If it only ever logged on from a few IP's in the same area, they'll care. Sorry to burst the conspiracy bubble there. //Maya
F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2007.07.23 03:44:00 - [44] Originally by: R3dSh1ft Originally by: Asestorian It's also CCP's way to say that they don't take responsibility if you get screwed over by letting someone else use your account, because you didn't follow the rules in the first place. yes - causes too many problems with people getting their stuff nicked/hacked whatever. When you trust your friend with your login, you are also trusting that they have adequate firewall/antivirus protection, will not pass along your details/ will not use your account name and password to register on a dodgy fansite - the list goes on. eulas arent in any way shape or form legally binding, however. You're also trusting him not to call up a friend and say, "I need you to change my friend Bill's skill for me. I don't have time. Here's his login info." Then the friend of a friend tells someone else the details, and eventually someone logs in and steals everything. Then CCP has to sort through a mile of laundering to figure out what happened to the stuff. Then multiply this hundreds or thousands of times for multiple occurrences. Or they can just say, "You shared your account info. Too bad for you." But in a nicer way. I used to get It. Then It changed. Now I don't even know what It is.
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Spartan Industries Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.07.23 03:51:00 - [45] Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 23/07/2007 03:51:35 Originally by: Moon Kitten Do we have any smiley experts who can explain what CCP Fear meant by the use of the wink emoticon also known as ;) or ? he he If you look at the thread in context, you will see that CCP Fear is trying to help out a new subscriber while gently reminding him that account sharing is bannable. Originally by: CCP Fear That way your friend can also keep his character if he wishes to continue playing Quoting out of context is not good I, erm, like kill things and stuff
Tellenta Gallente White-Noise Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.07.23 04:21:00 - [46] I'm sure if someone else logs in and changes a skill and logs off nothing will ever happen. Yes its against the rules but no one can prove a thing if thats all that happened. This is really a no one cares concept, It's like jaywalking the right circumstances have to meet for this to actually mean trouble. 1. the person who has your account info's actually plays your character. 2. the person ganks your stuff, and through that 2 accounts risk the ban hammer. 3. Seriously set a long skill cancel your account and come back to the game when you can play it. Why waste 15 dollars a month on pixels when you cant move them around Your signature image exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie
Dahin Maza Nostra oooh Shiny	Posted - 2007.07.23 04:35:00 - [47] Originally by: Gabriel Aaron Originally by: Dahin If someone gets a banstick over something as trivial as a skillchange, I'd suggest they fax over to ccp a copy of an "empowering" legal document (or however this doc is named in english). You know, like those legal documents empowering someone to do something in your behalf. Over here the process of making such a document is trivial at least, and it would probably save your account since EULA's don't mean anything as long as there are legal documents involved. Let's also not forget the fact that all major alliances are sharing their supercap accounts with the knowledge of CCP. You are talking about a Power of Attorney. I have one for my wife for when I deploy overseas with the military. nope, power of attorney is like a major thing. Over here in greece we have general empowering forms for specific things. "I empower X to take a pee in my name because I'm not close to a toilet atm". I'm guessing this type of thing exists in other countries as well. And it's not a hacked up process either, you show up at a police station with the guy with the better bladder, try to not get beaten by the police for looking "revolutionary-looking", fill out the forms in triplicates, stamp here, there, kiss some ass, beg, wait, freak out and finally get the paper.
Ms Nomer	Posted - 2007.07.23 04:40:00 - [48] Edited by: Ms Nomer on 23/07/2007 04:43:46 it's about CCP gaining as much control as possible from a legal stand point. That part of the EULA washes their hands from something out of their control. By stating that you can't share login details they place the blame on the end user for any theft or misuse of an account. With this clause CCP has something in writing, agreed upon by every user legally, that states that any mishap is entirely the fault of the account user. and also, no one owns their account. We have purchased a license to use eve on a monthly basis.
Moon Kitten GoonFleet	Posted - 2007.07.23 04:46:00 - [49] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 23/07/2007 03:51:35 Originally by: Moon Kitten Do we have any smiley experts who can explain what CCP Fear meant by the use of the wink emoticon also known as ;) or ? he he If you look at the thread in context, you will see that CCP Fear is trying to help out a new subscriber while gently reminding him that account sharing is bannable. Originally by: CCP Fear That way your friend can also keep his character if he wishes to continue playing Quoting out of context is not good Yes, but why did he add the ? I live under a bridge
Tellenta Gallente White-Noise Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.07.23 04:53:00 - [50] Originally by: Dahin Originally by: Gabriel Aaron Originally by: Dahin If someone gets a banstick over something as trivial as a skillchange, I'd suggest they fax over to ccp a copy of an "empowering" legal document (or however this doc is named in english). You know, like those legal documents empowering someone to do something in your behalf. Over here the process of making such a document is trivial at least, and it would probably save your account since EULA's don't mean anything as long as there are legal documents involved. Let's also not forget the fact that all major alliances are sharing their supercap accounts with the knowledge of CCP. You are talking about a Power of Attorney. I have one for my wife for when I deploy overseas with the military. nope, power of attorney is like a major thing. Over here in greece we have general empowering forms for specific things. "I empower X to take a pee in my name because I'm not close to a toilet atm". I'm guessing this type of thing exists in other countries as well. And it's not a hacked up process either, you show up at a police station with the guy with the better bladder, try to not get beaten by the police for looking "revolutionary-looking", fill out the forms in triplicates, stamp here, there, kiss some ass, beg, wait, freak out and finally get the paper. \ The power of attorney grants a person to act in your stead, which could potentally give you the legal basis to change someones skills on an on-line game seeing how your actions are legaly interpreted as his actions. However going through the effort of drawing up a power of attorney and getting it endorsed for an on line game is a touch much. However A power of attorney was very usefull when i was in iraq and i told my father to buy me a car. all i had to say was make and model. All that I needed to do on my return home was sign the final paper. wasnt going to buy the damn thing if i didnt know i was going to be alive to drive it :) Your signature image exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie
Fester Addams Minmatar	Posted - 2007.07.23 06:38:00 - [51] The EULA will not stand upp in most courts, its written for the US and that country is about the only one in wich it is binding to any greater degree. The problem for you and people that consider challenging the EULA however is that there is one clause in the EULA that does stand upp in any country and that is the one that states that CCP may terminate an account for whatever reason they want and they dont have to inform you why. Thus the EULA is a guide as what CCP wants us to do and not do, if we choose to break it they can still permaban our account. In short, share your account details at your own peril, my advice is to not do it, mainly for the simple reason that you may get scammed by the person you trust.
Sartaron Amarr Quantar Swords SynchronizerZ	Posted - 2007.07.23 06:58:00 - [52] Well, who would go to court for an account in an online game? You would face the problems of international law. About account-sharing: CCP put this against the EULA, because they have to protect themselves from abuse of account sharing. I already witnessed a case, where someones accounte got robbed and he tried to petition it. When you are on holidays etc and you give your account details to someone else to change a skill, how will CCP ever know? But you will have no chance to petition anything, your friend does with your characters. Of course they will say, that you will get banned for account sharing, if they get aware of it. But if they would make this "legal", they would have to deal with all the problems of abuse. Another case of course is sharing an account for gaming purposes like a mom-pilot. This is a different case, because more than one player is using a single account for playing, where CCP is effectively losing money.
steveid Templar Securities and Holdings Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.07.23 07:21:00 - [53] I think this is one of those rules that is enforced whenever they feel like it. I think its commen knowledge that titan pilots are account shared and i've seen it often that freighter / capital pilots are account shared in smaller corps. personally i have no problem with this.
Dread Operative Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.23 07:25:00 - [54] I love how people honestly think they are going to take CCP to court over account sharing. The statistics are overwhelmingly not in your favor of anything good coming of it.
SPIONKOP Caldari Macabre Votum INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.07.23 07:37:00 - [55] Account sharing happens and in 99% of the cases nothing goes wrong, CCP don't care and turn a blind eye. However some people will abuse the trust given to them and either steal stuff, break rules and cause the GM's no end of problems. They can and have banned accounts due to the consequences of account sharing. Should anyone decide to share an account and it gets ripped off then you have no one else to blame but yourself and must face the consequences be that a lose of isk/items, clones, skills and BANS. I know it happens and no EULA or threat of bans will stop it. I am sure the same applies in all other on-line games. Making it against the EULA is correct as the alternative would be messy and difficult to manage in cases of abuse. If you share your account you risk it getting banned if anything goes wrong. Space For Rent. 100mil ISK/Week.
Bimjo Caldari SKULLDOGS	Posted - 2007.07.23 07:43:00 - [56] Originally by: baaaaal Originally by: Tortun Nahme Originally by: Gutsani eula isnt worth anything in court anyway .. only 1 or 2 coutnries on the planet have EVER overturned an eula. Furthermore, it doesn't matter if it holds up in court because no court can FORCE ccp to let you play if they choose to deny you service (ie ban) proof or stfu. you won't get any, this guy is a forum troll,especially in threads where people ask for advice
Raekone	Posted - 2007.07.23 07:52:00 - [57] Account sharing, like for instance macro mining and other dodgy activities, is largely impossible to proove and therefore not possible to enforce other than by threats in the eula. It doesn't matter how many times the IP changes between logins because I could just as well actually be over at my mates house changing a skill or whatever, in person - and likewise with say macrominers, someone might be sitting there behind the screen and just not answering concvos, or has unluckily enough attached a small piece of paper on the screen just where his chat boxes are - unlikely maybe but possible, so CCP can't do anything. And I could very well have built myself a space rocket for ultra fast intercontinental travel so I can log in from my friends house in california one minute after I log off from my apartment in stockholm... again, not likely but it COULD happen, unless they prove me wrong
Ssoraszh Tzarszh Minmatar Grumpy Old Farts Gruntfuttocks	Posted - 2007.07.23 08:19:00 - [58] Edited by: Ssoraszh Tzarszh on 23/07/2007 08:23:01 Originally by: Saul E'ssiar Remember, sharing your username and password is a EULA violation. What is this ? I pay for the account, this account is mine to do as i wish, you might own the chars but the account should be mine. I would like this explained to me more why you (CCP) think this is legit and in anyway could stand up in court. It is not right that I can not have someone log in for me to change skills or set up a ship, it is not right of you to tell me I can not do the same for someone else. I can understand you not allowing someone else to play someones char but there needs to be lines drawn and not the way you have gone. Since playing this game its really gone downhill in a lot of areas, the forums are so guarded now compared to where they were when eve was released, you just can't speak you mind.that was a big gripe for me and still is, but this added into the ELUA is not right in any shape or form IMHO and I would like this explained as a paying member of this community. * Please do not flame this thread and do not lock it, I am not fishing as Flame bait, I want answers.* This rule is in place to prevent this: ----- You: Oh, my i am going on holliday but my precious learning scheme says it will finish some random skill in the middle of my holliday, in stead of training something that will last beyond my vacation i'll phone my 'friend' who i know only through eve-online and for only 2 weeks. Friend; Oh, yeah i know your pain, no problem mate, give me your details and i'll fix your training. You: Gee thanks, your a jolly ol boy. <vacation> You: Hey i'm back, lets log in and play Eve. Hmm why is my wallet 1000 isk, i thought i had 3 billion? huh? where are my ships? and where is my "uber collection of t2 BPO's? oh my wallet transactions says my it was traded to my 'friend'. ------ I'll stop here cause you will know what you will do now dont you? you will whine against CCP your account was hacked and stuff,but the real truth is that you were stupid in trusting someone who was not to be trusted. CCP has enough pettitions and hacked account issues withoud everyone sharing account details allready, you may pay for the game but that does not mean you need to cause issues and problems at every turn you take. DONT SHARE ACCOUNTS MMMKAY? its easy and prevents scenario's like the above. -EDIT- And all this crapola about lawsuits and laws is moot, put your money where your moth is and sue if your sure you can win. The rules are simple this is not "america online" thus all your lawsuits can go out the window untill ccp have lost a case in this situation. Untill then, if you breach EULA they may ban you!
Klyde Laughing Leprechauns Corporation	Posted - 2007.07.23 17:10:00 - [59] Edited by: Klyde on 23/07/2007 17:11:35 Everyone is fixated on the court part, I am sure I read that was just to make a point. People suggesting that they put this in the EULA so CCP can cover themselves makes no sence. I see no diff with people petitioning CCP that their accounts were hacked with or without this in place... People are stupid by the sounds of it, if your going to give complete strangers your account access. If I ever share any info with anyone its because they earned a right to be called a friend and they have earned my trust over years...Only an idiot would give someone they just met this info and deserve to get burned. ..........................
Lysit Kaune Minmatar Phoenix Division The Imperial Order	Posted - 2007.07.23 17:52:00 - [60] Originally by: Dread Operative I love how people honestly think they are going to take CCP to court over account sharing. The statistics are overwhelmingly not in your favor of anything good coming of it. Depends where you live, although it is generally accepted that clicking "I accept" to an Eula is as good as a signiture, there are grounds for arguement over who clicked it, and it they were able to understand what entailed doing so (Minors may be legally inable to agree to such terms, hence the contract is null). Eula's are considerably more tricky to enforce in the UK. In regards to most MMORPGs, courts will not besympathetic to them and may award ownership of virtual property as opposed to reconsing a service. The EULAÆs make it clear to whom the property belongs however by the MMO producers failure to notify the user of the terms, before the products bought will likely invalidate it. Should they be made aware fo terms before purchase, they may be considered legal ground, however given many MMO's require you to re agree to a contract, specifically at patches or updates they can invalidate thenselves by trying to be applied to game time that has been purchased. How far back this can be applied is unsure, and possibly refunding th last payment made on game time may suffice, there is very little Eula based cases in the UK. However If an MMO developer was ever taken to court I'd assume they'd attempt to settle quietly as the cost of defending a case would greatly out weigh re-enstating an account, not to mention bad press.

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