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Fartin thewind	Posted - 2007.07.25 03:25:00 - [31] Originally by: Radcjk There's no such thing as a fair fight. There are fightsyou win, and fights you lose, and fights you avoid. None of the mshould ever be 'fair'. Well put sir
Feng Schui Minmatar The Ninja Coalition New Eve Order	Posted - 2007.07.25 03:39:00 - [32] Edited by: Feng Schui on 25/07/2007 03:41:46 Originally by: Garan Savlar Originally by: Feng Schui hrmm.. all of the "anti-pirates" i've run into are only interested in zerging (or blobbing) down solo'ers.. and run away when they get a "fair" fight.. And pirates don't? all of the "pirates" in my area of PvP have grown to know that I'm always solo'ing, and looking for a good fight (one that isn't over in 5 seconds.. 10v1? bleh.. no fun in that). all of the "anti-pirates" in my area, only use blobs (or bait and blob tactics).. so yes.. pirates = fun, "fair" fights... anti-pirates: blob ganks. makes me wonder who the griefers really are editted to add: not too mention, the pirates in my area allow me safe travel / ratting if i have to go through the area.. or need isk, or whatever.. whereas, the one gatecamp that i ran into was manned by an anti-pirates (or so says in thier info)... and yes.. they where shooting at haulers. My opinion is my own, not of my corp or my alliance. If you have problems, we can have a "who can do L4 missions faster" duel >:)
Warp Warrior Caldari Shadow People	Posted - 2007.07.25 10:32:00 - [33] Pirates are Cool anti-pirates well... arent. simple enough choice. Originally by: Agemmemnon No... no.. no Guns I am going to live in Eve without killing!!
Rehn khaned	Posted - 2007.07.25 11:21:00 - [34] thanks for the responses pirate it is o/ Rehn
Vrabac Amarr Shadowed Souls	Posted - 2007.07.25 11:31:00 - [35] Originally by: 50freefly For example, I once engaged a BC and 3 elite frigates in my myrm, and would have won but for the fact that they jumped in a myrm and scorp on me. I still managed to take out a proph and ishkur, but I ran out of cap boosters and died. Attacking a prophecy and 3 AFs in myrm is hardly going against the odds.
Souvera Corvus Gallente Vaapad Shinobis Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.07.25 11:57:00 - [36] Pirates are just as guilty of blobbing, station hugging, hiding in their pos,bait and gank, and gatecamping as as anyone else in the game. In the case of 'supermarket sweeps' or gatecamps they are far more guilty than anyone else. The solo pirates who don't smack like morons whether they win or lose are those worthy of every respect for the way they play and it's a challenge trying to track them down and kill them. Those who have said that anti-piracy is harder in view of the lack of targets are in the right of it in my view, because you have to be a lot more careful as an anti-pie in terms of who you engage. It makes it more fun for my money but then we're not all the same so just do whatever you enjoy. My only plea would that you do it in a way that repsects the way others get their kicks out of EvE and don't consider that your way is the only way or necessarily the 'right' way.
Presidente Gallente Pirate Hunters Inc	Posted - 2007.07.25 13:44:00 - [37] Edited by: Presidente Gallente on 25/07/2007 13:44:15 Originally by: Warp Warrior Pirates are Cool anti-pirates well... arent. simple enough choice. You think so? Watch this and tell me who's +cool½ here, LOL! Anti-piracy is more thrilling. Especially when it happens in Rancer. Pres G +++ JOIN PAP +++
50freefly Caldari Purify United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.25 17:38:00 - [38] Originally by: Vrabac Originally by: 50freefly For example, I once engaged a BC and 3 elite frigates in my myrm, and would have won but for the fact that they jumped in a myrm and scorp on me. I still managed to take out a proph and ishkur, but I ran out of cap boosters and died. Attacking a prophecy and 3 AFs in myrm is hardly going against the odds. Hey I didn't check surrounding systems for blobs first =( Originally by: Eight Ace For reasons that have been lost in the mists of time all caldari ships are designed by two people. One does the left hand side and the other does the right. And they never meet.
Faekurias Federation Fleet Endless Horizon	Posted - 2007.07.25 17:48:00 - [39] Originally by: Presidente Gallente Edited by: Presidente Gallente on 25/07/2007 13:44:15 Originally by: Warp Warrior Pirates are Cool anti-pirates well... arent. simple enough choice. You think so? Watch this and tell me who's +cool½ here, LOL! Anti-piracy is more thrilling. Especially when it happens in Rancer. Pres G SCARY! :( Nubcaek :D
Moridin920 Gallente Dust Echoes FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.25 19:40:00 - [40] Piracy! It's more honest than anti-piracy anyway. I can't tell you how many so called anti-pirates are so aggro over killing all outlaws that they often shoot down neutrals or non-pirates just out of panic or boredom. Besides, if you are an anti-pirate you get miners in your corp/alliance yelling at you because you couldn't save them. How you are supposed to know they are going to get attacked before hand and how you are supposed to respond and kill something in the 10 seconds it takes a barge to die, I don't know. But then again, I'm a pirate. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "We sincerely apologize for any inconvenience our piracy may have caused you, but, we are pirates and, sadly, this is our way."
Ferocious FeAr Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.25 19:53:00 - [41] Anti-piracy is really boring, most pirates just gank or stay docked. Just shoot at whatever you want. Freedom of choice is great. Don't hate me, learn to love me
Sojiuro	Posted - 2007.07.26 19:46:00 - [42] Originally by: Feng Schui hrmm.. all of the "anti-pirates" i've run into are only interested in zerging (or blobbing) down solo'ers.. and run away when they get a "fair" fight.. I'd like to say, I would put them in the same category as carrier/mothership-smartbombing gatecamps... the Idiot / Mama Boy category awww fengshui that aint true im an antipirate and i fought ur arby 1v1 :). That was a good fight lol, and hopefully u wont put all of us in the same category :P. -Sojiuro The Tenken
Baaldor Caldari Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.26 20:00:00 - [43] Originally by: 50freefly Edited by: 50freefly on 23/07/2007 22:47:45 Antipirates tend to get a bad rep for blobbing but tbh pirates blob just as much, unless they are solo, in which case they are killing easy targets anyways... However, this is not always the case. If you ask any of the pirates I tend to encounter (with the exception of Karlemming, he's not so good at math), they will tell you that I engage against the odds quite often, and lose a lot of ships because of it . For example, I once engaged a BC and 3 elite frigates in my myrm, and would have won but for the fact that they jumped in a myrm and scorp on me. I still managed to take out a proph and ishkur, but I ran out of cap boosters and died. I don't mind at all, it's fair game and if you get blobbed you didn't scout the surrounding areas well enough, tbh. I really am just like you pirates, looking for a fun fight, I just do it with discretion... EDIT- Also, I think some of the 'blob' reputation comes because there are simply more pirates than antipirates, it's simply a 'our voice is louder' kinda thing. '50' Hmm.. It seems to a be pattern with you dude, random people dropping in on your fights. Last time we went head to head that damn self righteous SOB in the Drake popped in. Anti-Pirate..my arse...he just used that excuse to loot our wrecks. He was more of a pirate than we were. But good fight, have been kinda off and on...hope to see you out there when I am out about.
Lord Zoran Caldari House of Tempers	Posted - 2007.07.27 10:56:00 - [44] piracy yarrr!!! --------------------------------------------- no sig for you !!!
Black Beerd	Posted - 2007.07.27 12:02:00 - [45] I pirate in high and low sec space. I personally somewhat enjoy popping miners and ratters, ect.. but they arent much of a great fight. The real fights I enjoy, are the pirate vs pirate battles. Win or lose. I get pumped knowing that someone else is looking for a fight, so I give it to them. And Im almost positive that they are thinking the same thing, when I warp in, scram and web them. I dont smack them, I praise them, for giving a good fight. Piracy is all about the thrill of the hunt, whether it is the cannon fodder carebears in low sec/ones that shoot you when you flip cans, or the pirates themselves.
Jonas Xiamon	Posted - 2007.07.28 17:22:00 - [46] Originally by: Black Beerd I pirate in high and low sec space. I personally somewhat enjoy popping miners and ratters, ect.. but they arent much of a great fight. The real fights I enjoy, are the pirate vs pirate battles. Win or lose. I get pumped knowing that someone else is looking for a fight, so I give it to them. And Im almost positive that they are thinking the same thing, when I warp in, scram and web them. I dont smack them, I praise them, for giving a good fight. Piracy is all about the thrill of the hunt, whether it is the cannon fodder carebears in low sec/ones that shoot you when you flip cans, or the pirates themselves. /signed
Kirex Gallente Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.29 04:32:00 - [47] I tend to respect pirates more often than Antipies. Anti pirates blob, dishonor 1v1s, lack of pvp skill, and only shoot pirates. Pirates are the opposite.
Josh Causto Gallente Fatalix Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.29 06:11:00 - [48] Originally by: Kirex I tend to respect pirates more often than Antipies. Anti pirates blob, dishonor 1v1s, lack of pvp skill, and only shoot pirates. Pirates are the opposite. well tbh, the very opposite is true in many cases. It really depends what kind of person that pirate or antipirate is. Originally by: Speed Devil Originally by: ReePeR McAllem Everytime you fit anything other than a laser on our ships, babies die. and when ya fit lasers on your ships nothing dies
Galan Amarias Amarr Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.07.29 06:15:00 - [49] I tried anti-piracy, and it really came down to this, who was a "pirate"? Some guys wear a badge pretty obviously but they are also really dangerous, then there are the folks you find in low sec who might be pie and might not. Then you really get to want more shooting. For me the cross over to naked agression on anyone was a caracel with the corp ticker [PIPE]. I thought oohh that sounds violent, so I scanned scrammed and started to pop. Then I check bio and oh, they are Sherlock Holmes enthusiasts. hmmm, ahh to heck with it pop! Now I shoot anyone I think I can kill, and most of the people I'm only pretty sure I can kill, and dang near everybody else if I think I have a half a snoball's chance in hadies. This has cost me some ships but it's fun. Pirates are the anti-pirates, that's part of shooting at everything, those claiming the higher ground have nearly all been emo blobbers who won't engage w/o 2v1 odds and sentry support in my experience. -Galan
Lystar Maelstrom Crew	Posted - 2007.07.29 06:54:00 - [50] Originally by: Galan Amarias I tried anti-piracy, and it really came down to this, who was a "pirate"? Some guys wear a badge pretty obviously but they are also really dangerous, then there are the folks you find in low sec who might be pie and might not. Then you really get to want more shooting. For me the cross over to naked agression on anyone was a caracel with the corp ticker [PIPE]. I thought oohh that sounds violent, so I scanned scrammed and started to pop. Then I check bio and oh, they are Sherlock Holmes enthusiasts. hmmm, ahh to heck with it pop! Now I shoot anyone I think I can kill, and most of the people I'm only pretty sure I can kill, and dang near everybody else if I think I have a half a snoball's chance in hadies. This has cost me some ships but it's fun. Pirates are the anti-pirates, that's part of shooting at everything, those claiming the higher ground have nearly all been emo blobbers who won't engage w/o 2v1 odds and sentry support in my experience. -Galan I second that. If I find myself in low-sec, and an opportunity presents itself, sure I'll try to get a kill. On second thought, not quite as suicidal :) I don't pretend to be a pirate (my corp has certain sec status requirements so we can operate in any space), but should I see a target of opportunity, with at least even odds, I'll gladly attempt to perform a non-consensual clone relocation for them, or at least relieve them of their cargo :) You'd be surprised what some people carry around with them whilst ratting in low-sec lol. Also, anyone who wanders low-sec looking for a fair fight, your life is apt to be a long series of dissapointments. Why would you ever engage someone unless you at least have even odds? If I don't think I have some sort of edge, be it SP, numbers, shiptype(s), or superior fleet leadership, I'm not gonna bother. Why would I? Why would anyone, except for the thrill of the fight, which is it's own payoff that makes up for the times you engage and lose. That's a different subject altogether. However, to the original question, given the choice, I would say pirate ftw :) If you want pvp action, why restrict your targeting choices?

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