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Karn Mithralia
Minmatar
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.07.24 04:44:00 -
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[UNITY] UK Condemns Closure of Reeducation Programmes
The govenment of the Minmatar Republic and all associated corporations have recently suspended, without notice, reason or advice of a reinitiation date, all reeducation programmes for people who have escaped or been liberated from Amarrian slavery. These programmes have been a beacon of hope and helped many people who, after years of degradation, regain confidence and become a valuable member of Matari society: Marines, Science Graduates, Janitors and Entertainers, even some Pod-Pilots amongst us.
Ushra'Khan calls on all Matari to condemn this new policy and demands an immediate reinstatement of the programme.
It appears this policy was slipped in the back door as part of Midular's modernisation of the Republic. We strongly suspect it was passed to appease her new friends the Ammatar and their masters, with whom she has been in secret dialog until recently exposed.
We freed ourselves from our enslavers. Let us not bow down to any master, and let us not forget our brothers still held in chains!
Rise Matari, Rise.
Depose the appeaser Midular.
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Becq Starforged
Minmatar Ship Construction Services
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.07.24 06:53:00 -
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How can Midular sleep at night, knowing that by this decision untold numbers of our brethren are doomed to remain chained?
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Nebulous
Minmatar
Freelance Unincorporated
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.07.24 08:43:00 -
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Can anyone remember the last time the republic did anything good? Everytime I read or hear about the republic it is something bad, Midular and her traitorous friends continue to insult their people with actions like this to simply please our true enemies. *Nebulous spits*
The ammatar are traitors, we should be eliminating them, not pleasing them, they are parasite's not worthy of life.
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Darius Shakor
Minmatar
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.07.24 08:50:00 -
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I myself have found this to be disgusting and disheartening. I have already sent a private communication to the Republic Parliament and the Brutor Tribe expressing so.
Yet again, more evidence of Midular's inability to continue as the Republic Prime Minister.
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Kane Blood
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.07.24 11:19:00 -
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just send them this way i will me more then happy to educate them in the words of god...
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Teo Kiesh
Minmatar
Gradient
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.07.24 11:28:00 -
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You probably want to consult with the elders of your tribe, first, as all tribes provided these services, too. I'm certain that this is just a temporary measure, but would of course appreciate a statement from the government on this.
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Cipher7
OldBastardsPub
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.24 11:36:00 -
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I believe the Federation is more worthy of loyalty than our own worthless Republic.
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Evanda Char
Minmatar
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.07.24 11:50:00 -
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Such programmes have also been closed by the SoE.
This is not some sneaky plot by the Republic to kowtow to the Amarr; the constant mutation and development of Vitoc and continual development in the implants used to control slaves make the old methods of treatment dangerous, unreliable and difficult. Research is happening even now to catch up. We've enquired extensively from our old sources and I'm positive we'll see the reinstatement of such programmes soon.
They will be back; and faster, better and more accessible than before.
I'm disappointed, Karn. Perhaps next time you could try asking someone before calling for revolt.
-Eva-
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Lord Murkon
Amarr
SPCS
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Posted - 2007.07.24 11:56:00 -
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The SPCS offers a full range of educational opportunities for the Minmatar and provides full 100% scholarships as well. There is never a charge for Minmatar to learn the truth of their place in the universe and the opportunities service brings. Obviously the Republic has seen the truth that the Amarrian Empire provides far better for the Minmatar then Minmatar ever could for themselves.
Lord Murkon
SPCS - Serving the pathetic Minmatar and lessor races by the grace of God
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Nebulous
Minmatar
Freelance Unincorporated
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.07.24 12:02:00 -
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 Originally by: Evanda Char
Such programmes have also been closed by the SoE.
This is not some sneaky plot by the Republic to kowtow to the Amarr; the constant mutation and development of Vitoc and continual development in the implants used to control slaves make the old methods of treatment dangerous, unreliable and difficult. Research is happening even now to catch up. We've enquired extensively from our old sources and I'm positive we'll see the reinstatement of such programmes soon.
They will be back; and faster, better and more accessible than before.
I'm disappointed, Karn. Perhaps next time you could try asking someone before calling for revolt.
Karn has not called for a revolt, he has merely condemned it and rightly so, put whatever smoke screen you want on it Evanda, we all know this is just another thing to help keep the ammatar happy, nothing more, nothing less. What is it with you republic loyalists? You wont have a bad word said about the republic, your almost like vitoc induced slaves that speak well of the empire, just a different type of brainwashing, except your's isnt forced and so you should know better.
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Kade Jeekin
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.07.24 12:08:00 -
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Originally by: Evanda Char
I'm disappointed, Karn. Perhaps next time you could try asking someone before calling for revolt.
Who should we ask? The Republic that does not respond to our pleas. You claim it's due to the latest mutation of Vitoc. Well we have a cure for Vitoc but the Republic will not research its mass production. This suspension is suspicious.
Midular smears herself through her previous leadership and associations. She may smell sweet to you but to some among us there's a stench at the core of the Republlic.
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Evanda Char
Minmatar
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.07.24 12:34:00 -
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Originally by: Nebulous
Originally by: Evanda Char
Such programmes have also been closed by the SoE.
This is not some sneaky plot by the Republic to kowtow to the Amarr; the constant mutation and development of Vitoc and continual development in the implants used to control slaves make the old methods of treatment dangerous, unreliable and difficult. Research is happening even now to catch up. We've enquired extensively from our old sources and I'm positive we'll see the reinstatement of such programmes soon.
They will be back; and faster, better and more accessible than before.
I'm disappointed, Karn. Perhaps next time you could try asking someone before calling for revolt.
Karn has not called for a revolt, he has merely condemned it and rightly so, put whatever smoke screen you want on it Evanda, we all know this is just another thing to help keep the ammatar happy, nothing more, nothing less. What is it with you republic loyalists? You wont have a bad word said about the republic, your almost like vitoc induced slaves that speak well of the empire, just a different type of brainwashing, except your's isnt forced and so you should know better.
Nice one, Neb. Seem to remember our forces were engaging alongside you a couple of days ago. Now we're brainwashed slaves? Charming. So very polite.
And how do you explain the SoE's closure of programmes, then? Are they appeasing the Ammatar too?
"Karn has not called for a revolt"? What does this mean, then?
Originally by: Karn Mithrallia
Rise Matari, Rise.
Depose the appeaser Midular.
So I'm curious how you know all these meansures are to favour the Ammatar when you apparently haven't spoken to a single soul - not on the Ammatar side, and not on ours.
-Eva-
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Kade Jeekin
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.07.24 12:43:00 -
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With respect Evanda, you will notice in the OP that only suspicion was voiced. A reaction from the state is being sought. That you have to use contacts and make claims for the state is par for EM but is not enough for some of us. I am sure you understand this.
As to deposing Midular, there are enough reasons to call for that even without our suspicions being proven true in this case.
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Evanda Char
Minmatar
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.07.24 12:49:00 -
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Edited by: Evanda Char on 24/07/2007 12:50:15
Originally by: Kade Jeekin
Originally by: Evanda Char
I'm disappointed, Karn. Perhaps next time you could try asking someone before calling for revolt.
Who should we ask? The Republic that does not respond to our pleas.
That might be because you keep calling for the deaths and deposition of its officials.
Originally by: Kade Jeekin
You claim it's due to the latest mutation of Vitoc. Well we have a cure for Vitoc but the Republic will not research its mass production. This suspension is suspicious.
Insorum has never been proven to be a cure. Look at how it was used. Sprayed through the atmosphere of a planet by Blood Raiders. And all the slaves rose up in berserk frenzy and started slaughtering people.
It would be very weird for 100% of the slaves on a planet to be controlled using Vitoc. Even if they were, how did they know they were cured? How did they know that killing everyone wouldn't deprive them of the antidote they needed to stop themselves dying of withdrawl within the next few days? All the slaves were then massacred by Kameiras, so we have no idea if they were, indeed, permanently cured.
Now, to me, this sounds like the action of a psychotropic or hormonal drug - something that makes one lose all sense of self-preservation in the urge to violence - something along the lines of PCP, perhaps.
Of course, there might be further data from tests on the sample you have that I'm not privy to. Of course, you've never published any results and refuse to let the sample into other hands. So I guess I wouldn't be.
Meanwhile, we continue to engage in anti-Vitoc research using conventional, scientific methods - you'll see our interim paper soon.
-Eva-
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Evanda Char
Minmatar
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.07.24 12:59:00 -
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Originally by: Kade Jeekin
With respect Evanda...
I'm sorry Kade, but with respect, Neb's post shows precisely none.
I don't appreciate being called
Originally by: Nebulous
almost like vitoc induced slaves that speak well of the empire, just a different type of brainwashing, except your's isnt forced and so you should know better
So no, I don't understand how quickly Ushra'Khan members forget exactly what it is we do. If Neb hasn't heard of the Republic doing anything good, it's probably because he's not asking anyone, because I spend every single day working for the Republic, and I do a hell of a lot of good. And that's just me - there are a lot more of us, all doing the same thing.
The Republic Parliament does what it does in the way it does because it understands politics. Wars aren't fought through arms alone - there has to be political action to bring the big results.
There will be results - we see them all the time. Why don't you?
-Eva-
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Kade Jeekin
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.07.24 13:02:00 -
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Edited by: Kade Jeekin on 24/07/2007 13:03:22
Originally by: Evanda Char
That might be because you keep calling for the deaths and deposition of its officials.
Don't put the cart before the heffer. The actions and inactions of the Republic are what cause us to call for change of leadership, not the other way around.
Originally by: Evanda Char
...And all the slaves rose up in berserk frenzy and started slaughtering people...All the slaves were then massacred by Kameiras
You surely don't believe everything the Amarrian report, Evanda? Some of us escaped, those that didn't, died free. PM me for details or come to the UK forum.
But this is off topic. The call was for condemnation of the cancellation/suspension of the programmes - whatever the reason. And for their immediate reinitiation. Do you join us in this?
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Evanda Char
Minmatar
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.07.24 13:08:00 -
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I don't need to, Kade. I'd rather wait for a more fluid, improved and accessible programme of treatment than the endless queuing of the old method.
And I'd still like a response on Neb's rude, insulting and profoundly offensive slander because we are getting very, very tired of this sort of backstabbing.
-Eva-
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Kade Jeekin
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.07.24 13:10:00 -
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Edited by: Kade Jeekin on 24/07/2007 13:11:01
Meh, stop replying so quick Evanda!
You have my respect.
I consider Nebulous' words OTT but he will speak for himself.
Yes, the Republic is political, UK is political too, is why UK posts here, trying to persuade the Republic government to do the right thing, rather than attacking fleet assets.
Edit: Bejeebuz she did it again - no time to even draw breathe :) You gotta respect that, don't you Neb!
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Evanda Char
Minmatar
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.07.24 13:19:00 -
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Take your time, then, but I do want to see a response - and a public one, too. After all, it's not the first time, and it's always on IGS - U'K pilots seem to have no problem with us in space.
But to constantly run into this sort of hate and defamation from Ushra'Khan on IGS is... gutting. It really hurts. Even our lowliest pilots rescue about 30 slaves a week, our best... in the thousands... It would be nice to feel that's not so emminently forgettable.
After all, EM don't shoot neutrals, but you never hear us calling you names, because we remember why you do it, and while your path is different to ours, we respect what you do for our people.
-Eva-
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Mori Felding
Minmatar
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.07.24 13:37:00 -
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Edited by: Mori Felding on 24/07/2007 13:38:15
Having been a slave once, statements as these make sad. I felt proud the day U'K rescued me from the vice of slavery, the guardians of freedom, but if this is how you wish to use your freedom, you have derailed.. oh so much.
U'K, you're calling down shame to fester your proud name. I beg of you to think things through before coming with outbursts like these.
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Chishan
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.07.24 13:58:00 -
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Originally by: Evanda Char
Take your time, then, but I do want to see a response - and a public one, too. After all, it's not the first time, and it's always on IGS - U'K pilots seem to have no problem with us in space.
But to constantly run into this sort of hate and defamation from Ushra'Khan on IGS is... gutting. It really hurts. Even our lowliest pilots rescue about 30 slaves a week, our best... in the thousands... It would be nice to feel that's not so emminently forgettable.
After all, EM don't shoot neutrals, but you never hear us calling you names, because we remember why you do it, and while your path is different to ours, we respect what you do for our people.
I can only speak for myself. I have had to hold my words many times. After seeing the Republic murder a man who upheld the greatest traditions of the Matari people, I have no love for the Republic or the Fleet I once served. At every turn it seems the Republic has been there to slide a knife in our backs. Your defense of these actions is just as stinging to me as Neb's words to you. Yet I also understand that you are trying to act in the best interests of our People. Still, that is very hard for me to remember at times. Over half a year of holding actions, betrayals, and attrition some times makes it next to impossible to remember. Especially for those of us who flew with Defiants, and saw what horrors were hidden away in the Bleak Lands.
From our experience and perspective, the Republic is a growing fearfulness, leading into darkness.
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Evanda Char
Minmatar
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.07.24 14:20:00 -
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Originally by: Chishan
I can only speak for myself. I have had to hold my words many times. After seeing the Republic murder a man who upheld the greatest traditions of the Matari people, I have no love for the Republic or the Fleet I once served. At every turn it seems the Republic has been there to slide a knife in our backs. Your defense of these actions is just as stinging to me as Neb's words to you. Yet I also understand that you are trying to act in the best interests of our People. Still, that is very hard for me to remember at times. Over half a year of holding actions, betrayals, and attrition some times makes it next to impossible to remember. Especially for those of us who flew with Defiants, and saw what horrors were hidden away in the Bleak Lands.
From our experience and perspective, the Republic is a growing fearfulness, leading into darkness.
I am dealing with one issue at a time. This was about the withdrawl of slave liberation facilities, and they won't be gone for long, so fret over.
Yet apparently this makes me a vitoc-addled slave. Would you be happy about that? Especially from someone you fighting alongside less than a week ago?
-Eva-
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KhanJohn
Amarr
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.07.24 14:40:00 -
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Edited by: KhanJohn on 24/07/2007 14:42:28
Evanda i am a good friend of nebulous and while his comments sting i believe as his friend it is merely because he is of the thukker tribe he does not follow the same faith in the republic or loss of faith in the republic the majority of the Ushra'Khan do...
His tribe were named terrorists and are very cultural in their traditions though its not my place to apologise for him as i know he'd even punch me for doing so he has his own views on such things his words were harsh but i dont expect any less from a man who has seen and been through what he has been through in the republic.
i dont excuse him and i am also humbly your friend evanda i just thought this comm might clear that up
*Khanjohn displays a heart warming smile to eva and attachs an offer of hot chocolate at the local EM cafe*
People ask me what i am if i am not Amarran - i am a free "Amarri" all exiled amarrans who do not believe the tainted prophets are!
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Evanda Char
Minmatar
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.07.24 15:02:00 -
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I still want a reply from Neb. These are not the sort of words that any Matari takes lightly.
Least of all those that work as hard as we do.
-Eva-
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Ardan
Minmatar
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.07.24 15:13:00 -
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I am greatly disheartened today. Not just because of the closeing of a system from wich I am an alumni, but also do to the angry words spoken between great allies.
Ms. Char, as you know the majority of UK piolets hold both you and EM in great esteem. Please do not let the words of one man, spoken in anger and haste jepordize our kinship. Remember we of UK spend most of our time way outside Republic space, and do not always get all the facts on events. We are also somewhat pranoid when it comes to things such as this and have a knee-jerk reaction to things that appear to be hostile acts to us. Thought I do not agree with his words, I agree with the point that it does apear to be another plot by our government, against its own people. Does it require all facilities to be shut down, why not continue as they are upgraded one at a time? Why must they all be stopped at onece? But what ever the answer, remember our two factions have been great allies in the past, though we differ in our views. Do not let hot words damage our relationship. We are siblings, and sometimes we dissagree, but we are still family.
"Let them hate us as long as they Fear us." Colligula |
Thri
Khumatari Holdings
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.07.24 15:13:00 -
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If the republic was going to replace the program with something else, shouldn't they have said something prior to closing the old program?
Last time I visited a former reeducation facility, I had a dozen newly freed matari with me looking to sign up for a education session. The deep look of sadness on the security forces that turned us away was enough to know there is a lot of unrest within the republic. The security there told us the programs are closed. Nothing more.
I too share a glimmer of hope that the Republic will turn around and be the champion we wish it to be. But, its a mere glimmer. Sometimes hope leads us astray from the truth. I don't know the truth, but I'm searching for it.
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Nebulous
Minmatar
Freelance Unincorporated
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.07.24 16:35:00 -
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Originally by: Evanda Char
I still want a reply from Neb. These are not the sort of words that any Matari takes lightly.
Least of all those that work as hard as we do.
Evanda, as you may or may not know I am a sworn member of the thukker tribe and I reside within ushra'khan, I have always spoken ill of the republic and its supporters and always will do for as long as the republic continues to shoot my brothers, to add insult the republic continues shooting at my brothers while calling peace talks with our true enemies "the ammatar", this is tottaly unacceptable and my words will continue to remain harsh towards the republic and its supporters for as long as this goes on.
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Nebulous
Minmatar
Freelance Unincorporated
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.07.24 16:38:00 -
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Originally by: KhanJohn
Edited by: KhanJohn on 24/07/2007 14:42:28
Evanda i am a good friend of nebulous and while his comments sting i believe as his friend it is merely because he is of the thukker tribe he does not follow the same faith in the republic or loss of faith in the republic the majority of the Ushra'Khan do...
His tribe were named terrorists and are very cultural in their traditions though its not my place to apologise for him as i know he'd even punch me for doing so he has his own views on such things his words were harsh but i dont expect any less from a man who has seen and been through what he has been through in the republic.
i dont excuse him and i am also humbly your friend evanda i just thought this comm might clear that up
*Khanjohn displays a heart warming smile to eva and attachs an offer of hot chocolate at the local EM cafe*
Thank you for your kind words Khanjohn, even though you are neither minmatar or thukker by blood you have been and still are my brother. *Nebulous salutes you*
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Evanda Char
Minmatar
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.07.24 16:55:00 -
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Originally by: Nebulous
Originally by: Evanda Char
I still want a reply from Neb. These are not the sort of words that any Matari takes lightly.
Least of all those that work as hard as we do.
Evanda, as you may or may not know I am a sworn member of the thukker tribe and I reside within ushra'khan, I have always spoken ill of the republic and its supporters and always will do for as long as the republic continues to shoot my brothers, to add insult the republic continues shooting at my brothers while calling peace talks with our true enemies "the ammatar", this is tottaly unacceptable and my words will continue to remain harsh towards the republic and its supporters for as long as this goes on.
So you'll gladly take our help in space, and then stab us in the back quite freely when you're done? Classy.
-Eva-
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Nebulous
Minmatar
Freelance Unincorporated
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.07.24 17:12:00 -
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Originally by: Evanda Char
Originally by: Nebulous
Originally by: Evanda Char
I still want a reply from Neb. These are not the sort of words that any Matari takes lightly.
Least of all those that work as hard as we do.
Evanda, as you may or may not know I am a sworn member of the thukker tribe and I reside within ushra'khan, I have always spoken ill of the republic and its supporters and always will do for as long as the republic continues to shoot my brothers, to add insult the republic continues shooting at my brothers while calling peace talks with our true enemies "the ammatar", this is tottaly unacceptable and my words will continue to remain harsh towards the republic and its supporters for as long as this goes on.
So you'll gladly take our help in space, and then stab us in the back quite freely when you're done? Classy.
I've been fighting the slavers in amarr solo or with a fellow warrior(usually khanjohn)for some time now, in all that time I have never had comms or ever asked for help from your pilots, If you would like to post comms of me asking for your help then please do so, but you will find it a waste of time, for there are not any, however I will remain in contact with khanjohn as he is a good friend of mine.
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