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Master Rampa
101 screaming eagles
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Posted - 2011.04.08 11:33:00 -
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With this post i like to unite all high sec scanners in one voice to have CCP keep the 4-10 plex in high sec. There are not a whole lot of nice things to scan out in high sec and the 4-10 is a nice find, so please CCP keep this in high sec . Maby you could make it harder to find, I have talked to alot of people in many rooms about this issue and most agree that the would like to keep it in high sec, so whe also came up with a solution, make it harder to find so players that have max or almost max scanning skills are the only ones that can find it, it also would make more people to have to train up there skills, this would make it fair to all, you train you might find the big price, most of the high sec scanners said the would not go to low sec to scan have no desire to go to low sec. CCP needs to understand that if you have a good scanning clone and ship with expensive inplants that you will not risk that to be blown up, some..most of the players are living in high sec and like it there, So please give us a break and keep the 4-10 in high sec. |

DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.04.08 11:37:00 -
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I'll give my support to this.
Exploration = It's not just an adventure, it's a job.
DMC
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Emperor Salazar
Remote Soviet Industries
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Posted - 2011.04.08 11:42:00 -
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1. Learn to read. CCP already said 4/10s will be staying in high sec.
2. They should move them. It would be a nice boost to low sec. The loot potential in high sec is ridiculous. I personally believe that the Omege/Epsilon implants, ship bpcs, and cruiser sized drops (i.e. 4/10 stuff) shouldn't drop in high sec. Risk vs. reward, and frankly there's no risk in farming 4/10s in high sec. |

Fi1ippo
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.04.08 11:52:00 -
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Emperor Salazar wrote:1. Learn to read. CCP already said 4/10s will be staying in high sec.
2. They should move them. It would be a nice boost to low sec. The loot potential in high sec is ridiculous. I personally believe that the Omege/Epsilon implants, ship bpcs, and cruiser sized drops (i.e. 4/10 stuff) shouldn't drop in high sec. Risk vs. reward, and frankly there's no risk in farming 4/10s in high sec.
People shouldnt be forced to go into low sec, period. Some people prefer hisec, they shouldnt be punished and forced into a situation that they dont want to be in for loot upgrades.
Low sec has its loot and hi sec has its loot, sounds good enough for both worlds. Its called compromise. Pushing everything thats good in the game to low sec is selfish and counterproductive and wont win popularity points for EVE. |

JitaPriceChecker2
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.04.08 12:11:00 -
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Fi1ippo wrote:Emperor Salazar wrote:1. Learn to read. CCP already said 4/10s will be staying in high sec.
2. They should move them. It would be a nice boost to low sec. The loot potential in high sec is ridiculous. I personally believe that the Omege/Epsilon implants, ship bpcs, and cruiser sized drops (i.e. 4/10 stuff) shouldn't drop in high sec. Risk vs. reward, and frankly there's no risk in farming 4/10s in high sec. People shouldnt be forced to go into low sec, period. Some people prefer hisec, they shouldnt be punished and forced into a situation that they dont want to be in for loot upgrades. Low sec has its loot and hi sec has its loot, sounds good enough for both worlds. Its called compromise. Pushing everything thats good in the game to low sec is selfish and counterproductive and wont win popularity points for EVE.
I really hope 4/10 will be removed from hi-sec , i want to see your tears. |

St Mio
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.04.08 12:53:00 -
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*sigh*
They are not removing existing sites. They are not moving existing sites. They are adding new sites.
CCP Big Dumb Object > We are not changing the current distribution mechanics for DED complexes. Wherever you find a given level of DED complex currently, you can expect to find it still after this update.
http://www.eveonline.com...D=1473364&page=4#116
Plenty of people have been finding them in high-sec post patch. |

Emperor Salazar
Remote Soviet Industries
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Posted - 2011.04.08 13:16:00 -
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Fi1ippo wrote:
People shouldnt be forced to go into low sec, period. Some people prefer hisec, they shouldnt be punished and forced into a situation that they dont want to be in for loot upgrades.
Low sec has its loot and hi sec has its loot, sounds good enough for both worlds. Its called compromise. Pushing everything thats good in the game to low sec is selfish and counterproductive and wont win popularity points for EVE.
No one is "forcing" you to low sec. No one would be saying "GO DO 4/10S." However, it is common place in Eve that lower security should mean higher reward.
The fact of the matter is that the 4/10s yield some really really nice loot for...minimal/no risk. Watch/Vigil all have final escalations in low sec...because its worth going there for that possible shiny booster.
You sound like yet another high sec bear with a grand sense of entitlement. Kind of pathetic to be honest. |

dexington
Baconoration
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Posted - 2011.04.08 13:21:00 -
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Emperor Salazar wrote:You sound like yet another high sec bear with a grand sense of entitlement. Kind of pathetic to be honest.
No need to get into what you sound like, but it's in no way less pathetic. |

Emperor Salazar
Remote Soviet Industries
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Posted - 2011.04.08 13:24:00 -
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dexington wrote:Emperor Salazar wrote:You sound like yet another high sec bear with a grand sense of entitlement. Kind of pathetic to be honest. No need to get into what you sound like, but it's in no way less pathetic.
make another thread about how exploration is broken |

JitaPriceChecker2
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.04.08 13:24:00 -
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Emperor Salazar wrote:Kind of pathetic to be honest.
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dexington
Baconoration
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Posted - 2011.04.08 13:29:00 -
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Emperor Salazar wrote:make another thread about how exploration is broken
If it would stop you from posting your silly rants in every thread i would be happy to, but i guess we both know you could not stop even if you wanted to... |

Emperor Salazar
Remote Soviet Industries
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Posted - 2011.04.08 13:53:00 -
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dexington wrote:Emperor Salazar wrote:make another thread about how exploration is broken If it would stop you from posting your silly rants in every thread i would be happy to, but i guess we both know you could not stop even if you wanted to...
yes pointing out your flawed perceptions of mechanics you clearly fail to understand and posting my opinion on the imbalance in risk vs reward in high sec as it pertains to exploration definitely qualifies as "silly rants"

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Fi1ippo
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.04.08 15:37:00 -
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Emperor Salazar wrote:Fi1ippo wrote:
People shouldnt be forced to go into low sec, period. Some people prefer hisec, they shouldnt be punished and forced into a situation that they dont want to be in for loot upgrades.
Low sec has its loot and hi sec has its loot, sounds good enough for both worlds. Its called compromise. Pushing everything thats good in the game to low sec is selfish and counterproductive and wont win popularity points for EVE.
No one is "forcing" you to low sec. No one would be saying "GO DO 4/10S." However, it is common place in Eve that lower security should mean higher reward. The fact of the matter is that the 4/10s yield some really really nice loot for...minimal/no risk. Watch/Vigil all have final escalations in low sec...because its worth going there for that possible shiny booster. You sound like yet another high sec bear with a grand sense of entitlement. Kind of pathetic to be honest.
Look at the pot calling the kettle black. You are the one thinking you are entitled to something because you hang out in one area of the game. So others get some good loot, and you jump on them because they chose to spend their time doing it a different way.
Yeah, you are right, you are pathetic. |

Emperor Salazar
Remote Soviet Industries
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Posted - 2011.04.08 15:41:00 -
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Fi1ippo wrote:
Look at the pot calling the kettle black. You are the one thinking you are entitled to something because you hang out in one area of the game. So others get some good loot, and you jump on them because they chose to spend their time doing it a different way.
Yeah, you are right, you are pathetic.
Please continue to make baseless assumptions.
I play in high sec primarily. I farm 4/10s/watches/vigils like its my job. I get 3-10 c-type boosters a week and 1-5 pithi a-types. Various other modules as well of course.
I guess that means I'm supposed to be opposed to 4/10s being moved to low sec?
But please go on about how much you know of my play style. |

Cunane Jeran
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.04.08 15:42:00 -
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They should be moved to low-sec to be honest, risk vs reward. |

DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.04.08 15:54:00 -
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Emperor Salazar wrote:dexington wrote:Emperor Salazar wrote:make another thread about how exploration is broken If it would stop you from posting your silly rants in every thread i would be happy to, but i guess we both know you could not stop even if you wanted to... yes pointing out your flawed perceptions of mechanics you clearly fail to understand and posting my opinion on the imbalance in risk vs reward in high sec as it pertains to exploration definitely qualifies as "silly rants" 
Heh, do us all a favor. Go back into your closet with your rants about flawed perceptions of game mechanics and get a grip on yourself. The high security combat site expeditions didn't end in low security back when they were first placed in the game. CCP had changed that a couple of years ago. Mainly due to the fact that CCP was starting their big push to get players to go into low sec. Probably more likely it was due to the loud crying and the profuse tears being shed by lazy griefers wanting easy kills spoonfed to them since nobody was going into low sec.
Hopefully you can understand this. There are 10 levels of DED Deadspace Complexes ranging from 1/10 to 10/10 which should break down as follows:
High Security 1/10 to 4/10
Low Security 4/10 to 7/10
Null Security 7/10 to 10/10
Anomaly's have 10 levels as well and break down the same. |

Emperor Salazar
Remote Soviet Industries
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Posted - 2011.04.08 16:10:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Heh, do us all a favor. Go back into your closet with your rants about flawed perceptions of game mechanics and get a grip on yourself. The high security combat site expeditions didn't end in low security back when they were first placed in the game. CCP had changed that a couple of years ago. Mainly due to the fact that CCP was starting their big push to get players to go into low sec. Probably more likely it was due to the loud crying and the profuse tears being shed by lazy griefers wanting easy kills spoonfed to them since nobody was going into low sec.
Hopefully you can understand this. There are 10 levels of DED Deadspace Complexes ranging from 1/10 to 10/10 which should break down as follows:
High Security 1/10 to 4/10
Low Security 4/10 to 7/10
Null Security 7/10 to 10/10
Anomaly's have 10 levels as well and break down the same.
I know how the system works. I also know that 4/10s drop some very nice loot. Loot that simply does not deserve to be in high sec. Just as the last part of watch/vigil were moved to low sec, so too should 4/10s. |

dexington
Baconoration
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Posted - 2011.04.08 16:21:00 -
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Emperor Salazar wrote:I know how the system works. I also know that 4/10s drop some very nice loot. Loot that simply does not deserve to be in high sec. Just as the last part of watch/vigil were moved to low sec, so too should 4/10s.
Of course it would make sense to you to move the only chance of making profit by exploration in hi-sec to low-sec, can't really say i am surprised you would think that is a good idea... |

Emperor Salazar
Remote Soviet Industries
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Posted - 2011.04.08 16:28:00 -
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Master Rampa wrote: most of the high sec scanners said the would not go to low sec to scan have no desire to go to low sec. CCP needs to understand that if you have a good scanning clone and ship with expensive inplants that you will not risk that to be blown up, some..most of the players are living in high sec and like it there, So please give us a break and keep the 4-10 in high sec.
This is a perfect example of the flawed logic being displayed here.
This isn't WoW. This is eve. CCP rewards players that take risks. Yes, most high sec players will not chase after 4/10s should they move to low sec; but those that do will be rewarded handsomely. |

Emperor Salazar
Remote Soviet Industries
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Posted - 2011.04.08 16:32:00 -
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dexington wrote:Emperor Salazar wrote:I know how the system works. I also know that 4/10s drop some very nice loot. Loot that simply does not deserve to be in high sec. Just as the last part of watch/vigil were moved to low sec, so too should 4/10s. Of course it would make sense to you to move the only chance of making profit by exploration in hi-sec to low-sec, can't really say i am surprised you would think that is a good idea...
Heres the difference between you and me:
You are selfish and want to maximize your benefit of this situation.
I however, am not selfish, and am willing to accept "nerfs" to my play style that make the game better (more balanced).
I'll give you an example (exaggerated a bit to articulate my point).
Lets say you are a mission runner. Suddenly CCP decides all missions will give 100 million isk reward. Pretty great for you huh?
Most mission runners would think so. However, those that actually care about the game would recognize it for the negative impact it would have on Eve and not endorse such a change. |
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