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Milonia APEX Unlimited APEX Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.25 00:51:00 - [1] Well I'm not saying we need more powerful ones, I am saying we need more diversity. I am not happy that all my career I have had the choices of a Missile ship or a Rail ship for Caldari. I chose rails. I now pilot a Rokh and have the skills to use its guns fairly well. (lvl IV or V in every gunnery skill that pertains to T1 Rails) I would like to pilot a Dread. But I am stuck. The Phoenix has only one gun mount. It has 3 missile slots. There is no alternative. Can we either consider giving the Phoenix as many turret slots as missiles so that it can be used for BOTH of the Caldari main weapons systems? Or could we get a new ship for each race that isn't really more powerful, just diverse with differant bonii. Anyone share my concerns? ============================== Milonia Aranon Security Officer of APEX Unlimited Piloting the ACV Inevitable - Rokh class Battleship "Talent is a gift... training opens the Box."
sov68n Caldari The Diabolic Abstraction	Posted - 2007.07.25 01:01:00 - [2] k there already is a T2 dread its called the Levathian and no, it shouldnt be changed because Caldari ships are basically all missle boats (with the exception of the Rokh and Moa). therefore the pheonix was made as a missle boat to keep the tradition. that's just how it works. if you're caldari you have no buisness training gunnery skills if you have bad missle skills. The Diabolic Abstraction
Tamoko Damage Unlimited Inc	Posted - 2007.07.25 01:53:00 - [3] Originally by: sov68n its called the Levathian Almost... actually, not really.
Milonia APEX Unlimited APEX Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.25 01:54:00 - [4] Originally by: sov68n k there already is a T2 dread its called the Levathian and no, it shouldnt be changed because Caldari ships are basically all missle boats (with the exception of the Rokh and Moa). therefore the pheonix was made as a missle boat to keep the tradition. that's just how it works. if you're caldari you have no buisness training gunnery skills if you have bad missle skills. LOL! That was the worst response ever. Every class of ship has its missile version and its rail version for Caldari. Moa/Caracal, Ferox/Drake, Rokh/Raven, Hawk/Harpy, Nighthawk/Vulture, Raptor/Crow, Cerberus/Eagle etc etc. Do I need to go on? Wow! how long have you been playing EVE? And NO a Titan is not a T2 Dread, it's a Titan. ============================== Milonia Aranon Security Officer of APEX Unlimited Piloting the ACV Inevitable - Rokh class Battleship "Talent is a gift... training opens the Box."
Milonia APEX Unlimited APEX Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.25 01:56:00 - [5] Oh and BTW, you have EVERY reason to be Caldari and train Hybrids if you want to be better at PvP. Or have you not tried that either? Missiles in PvP is not too popular.
Broken Star Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.07.25 01:57:00 - [6] Lets not confuse tier 2 and tech 2 people, bad things happen to those that do.
Rashell Caldari Madhatters Inc. M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.07.25 02:15:00 - [7] Im always up for more ships, its always neat to see new ones. But in a ship class like dreadnaughts, with their semi-limited roll i dont see the need for more of them. would be kinda neat too have a megathron version of the domi-dread (moros) though
tarisai hsaun Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.25 02:23:00 - [8] train for the moros. even though you have to cross-train, in the grand scheme of things it wont take that much longer. atm to fly a caldari dread with capital shield mods would take me 130 days. to fly a moros with capital armour mods would take 120 days. i just ran this through evemon, and it's actually come as a suprise to me as i am mostly caldari specialised, though i have trained gallente up to BS 1 and can use t2 armour mods. so there's your answer. go for the moros.
Gneeznow Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.25 03:11:00 - [9] Originally by: sov68n k there already is a T2 dread its called the Levathian Actually its called a wyvern, and its tier 2, not tech 2
Kulmid Bio-Active Industries	Posted - 2007.07.25 03:29:00 - [10] Originally by: Gneeznow Originally by: sov68n k there already is a T2 dread its called the Levathian Actually its called a wyvern, and its tier 2, not tech 2 your post was the t2 version of his tbh ~~~~~ Success is the happy feeling you get between the time you do something and the time you tell a woman what you did. Originally by: CCP Wrangler There's no greater honor than winning.

bldyannoyed Un4seen Development	Posted - 2007.07.25 03:53:00 - [11] Phoenix is missiles sure, but really training up Citadel launchers is easy as pie. Rank 4 Torps to 5, couple of rank 2 support skilsl to 5 and you're good to go. It might suck for the Caldari to be railroaded into a missile dread, but really theres no alternative. What would you give the other races? Gallente dread with lasers, Amarr dread with launchers. It would be the same storty as with tier 3 BS, Caldari clearly needed a rail BS, so they got one. Then the devs had to try and invent roles for the other 3 races to give them a tier 3 BS. Basically, they failed. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
sov68n Caldari The Diabolic Abstraction	Posted - 2007.07.25 04:40:00 - [12] Originally by: Milonia LOL! That was the worst response ever. Every class of ship has its missile version and its rail version for Caldari. Moa/Caracal, Ferox/Drake, Rokh/Raven, Hawk/Harpy, Nighthawk/Vulture, Raptor/Crow, Cerberus/Eagle etc etc. Do I need to go on? Wow! how long have you been playing EVE? And NO a Titan is not a T2 Dread, it's a Titan. well if you're such an EVE know it all then why did you make such a dumb ass post to begin with? And no, Caldari ships ARE more oriented towards missles because their hybrid platforms (except Rokh) suck balls. As for the Dread-Titan, thing I was told by a former alliance member that was the case. w/e get a life. The Diabolic Abstraction
Siakel	Posted - 2007.07.25 05:08:00 - [13] Originally by: sov68n Originally by: Milonia LOL! That was the worst response ever. Every class of ship has its missile version and its rail version for Caldari. Moa/Caracal, Ferox/Drake, Rokh/Raven, Hawk/Harpy, Nighthawk/Vulture, Raptor/Crow, Cerberus/Eagle etc etc. Do I need to go on? Wow! how long have you been playing EVE? And NO a Titan is not a T2 Dread, it's a Titan. well if you're such an EVE know it all then why did you make such a dumb ass post to begin with? And no, Caldari ships ARE more oriented towards missles because their hybrid platforms (except Rokh) suck balls. As for the Dread-Titan, thing I was told by a former alliance member that was the case. w/e get a life. And the Amarrian ships with lasers (except Armageddon) 'suck balls'. While the good Amarrian ships are Droneboats. Hmmm... does this mean Amarr are a drone race?
cal nereus Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.07.25 06:21:00 - [14] Well, you could cross-train into Gallente and get the Moros instead. I think the Moros uses hybrids.
Chainsaw Plankton	Posted - 2007.07.25 07:05:00 - [15] Originally by: Siakel And the Amarrian ships with lasers (except Armageddon) 'suck balls'. While the good Amarrian ships are Droneboats. Hmmm... does this mean Amarr are a drone race? i wouldnt put dreads and titans in the same category titans seem to be about the gangbonus+doomsday dreads shooting other caps/pos that and caldari does have a gunboat in each category. only thing against training up for a moros is that you have to train up all the armor tank skills and gallente ships skills, or the pheonix have to train up missile skills, and the op sounds to be focused in gunnery. then again i suppose training gallente isnt the worst of decisions.
Karma Coma The Rising Stars	Posted - 2007.07.25 08:01:00 - [16] Edited by: Karma Coma on 25/07/2007 08:02:03 Originally by: Kulmid Edited by: Kulmid on 25/07/2007 03:35:09 your post was the t2 version of his tbh I'm writing a 15 page essay on a subject I hate and your post just made me LMAO!!! <3 P.S. sorry this does not contribute to the OP. edit sorry my quoting skills need work ironically.
BlackHawk177 Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.25 08:02:00 - [17] Edited by: BlackHawk177 on 25/07/2007 08:02:34 Originally by: Kulmid and @ the OP, I think you have a valid whine here, Moros has guns and drones, Naglfar has guns and missiles, Amarr has guns and cap problems, and Phoenix just has missiles *and massive cpu issues*. Fixed it for yah
Sokratesz Paradox v2.0 Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.25 08:16:00 - [18] Whats the big deal? All you need is torpedoes lvl 5, none of the other important skills affect citadel torps anyway. sup /b/
Milonia APEX Unlimited APEX Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.25 22:15:00 - [19] Well I'm sure having all T1 missile skills at lvl 4 or 5 would make the differance from a Phoenix only being able to hit stationary objects to being able to insta pop a Battleship. And I am halfway to Caldari BS V I don't want to switch now. That's a waste of 15 days. Well, not a total waste. I will be that much better with my Rokh but still... ============================== Milonia Aranon Security Officer of APEX Unlimited Piloting the ACV Inevitable - Rokh class Battleship "Talent is a gift... training opens the Box."
Gladiator Jonny Repo Industries	Posted - 2007.07.25 22:41:00 - [20] im in favor, could be a sniping dread. not very useful but, would fit in with the trends

Elite Marksman	Posted - 2007.07.26 00:53:00 - [21] Originally by: Milonia Well I'm sure having all T1 missile skills at lvl 4 or 5 would make the differance from a Phoenix only being able to hit stationary objects to being able to insta pop a Battleship. And I'm pretty sure it wont. IIRC, torps and citadel torps are not effected by the explosion radius/velocity skills, so therefore, the target will need to be stationary and painted to hell and back for it to work.
Shereza	Posted - 2007.07.26 01:19:00 - [22] The only reason why the rokh is the "best" caldari gunboat is because CCP used real brainpower in giving it the option of filling every available high slot with guns instead of making you use missiles if you wanted to put weapons in every high slot. In all honesty, though. while split weapon boats that require you to use split weapons to fill all slots are annoying at the least in the case of the ferox the 'suck' that they suffer is somewhat diminished by the fact that you could possibly put those 2 missile-weapon-only high slots to better use by slapping in a gang mod and a drone link augment, for example. The moa and merlin don't have that option due to lack of gang mod CPU bonuses. As for CPU issues with caldari capital ships, I still say that that's one of the biggest ironies in the game.
Marcus Druallis Quantum Industries Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.26 01:28:00 - [23] Originally by: sov68n Originally by: Milonia LOL! That was the worst response ever. Every class of ship has its missile version and its rail version for Caldari. Moa/Caracal, Ferox/Drake, Rokh/Raven, Hawk/Harpy, Nighthawk/Vulture, Raptor/Crow, Cerberus/Eagle etc etc. Do I need to go on? Wow! how long have you been playing EVE? And NO a Titan is not a T2 Dread, it's a Titan. well if you're such an EVE know it all then why did you make such a dumb ass post to begin with? And no, Caldari ships ARE more oriented towards missles because their hybrid platforms (except Rokh) suck balls. As for the Dread-Titan, thing I was told by a former alliance member that was the case. w/e get a life. Tbh, you lose at EVE. You don't know what you're talking about. Leave. -- Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes - Devil ([email protected])
Boonaki Caldari Knights of Chaos Chaos Incarnate.	Posted - 2007.07.26 06:59:00 - [24] Tier 2 dreads will be used for sieging planetary defenses, and then once those are down, to siege the planet itself. Imagine going out and killing 30,000,000,000 of your enemies minions. Change the titan doomsday device to destroy planets! Fear the Ibis of doom! 113
Heikki Gallente Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.26 07:42:00 - [25] Originally by: Milonia Phoenix as many turret slots as missiles So, you're asking for 2/2 layout instead of the current 3/1? Taking granted that 3/3 layout would be rather unbalanced.. Originally by: Milonia I have had the choices of a Missile ship or a Rail ship for Caldari I dont really see how the game could have given you the view of those two paths being equal for Caldari. In my eyes Caldari seem to have the missile ship, and then slightly inferior (save Rokh) gun-favouring variants. At least non-missile Caldari makes interesting and different path for fellow wanting a challenging game :) Almost like choosing to be Minmatar. Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton then again i suppose training gallente isnt the worst of decisions. Think it's getting late for that. Having good Gallente skills now is nice. Believing its still FOTM after you get the skills up would require quite a bit of optimism. -Lasse railroaded Gallentean
Pinky Denmark The Cursed Navy	Posted - 2007.07.26 12:53:00 - [26] At least 3/2 would give us a choice... but I guess lots of people would complaint since it's a caldari ship hehe - I'm a nice guy!! MOA is NOT UGLY!!! It's A FREAK SHOW!!!!
Lt Angus Caldari the united	Posted - 2007.07.26 13:02:00 - [27] Im cross training to the Moros instead, quite a shame the turret side doesn't carry up to cap ships Shhhh, Im hunting Badgers
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.26 13:12:00 - [28] Originally by: Boonaki Tier 2 dreads will be used for sieging planetary defenses, and then once those are down, to siege the planet itself. Imagine going out and killing 30,000,000,000 of your enemies minions. Change the titan doomsday device to destroy planets! actually, that is quite interesting. and maybe we can see the birth of citadel cruise missiles. tier 1 dreads: more suited for POS sieging tier 2 dreads: planet destroyers --- truth about EVE: Quote: "Guns are fine, boost players" Quote: "Players are fine, boost guns"
Hyuuga Veralis Pator Tech School	Posted - 2007.07.27 01:58:00 - [29] Originally by: Gneeznow Originally by: sov68n k there already is a T2 dread its called the Levathian Actually its called a wyvern, and its tier 2, not tech 2 The Wyvern is not a Dread. It'd also technically be teir3, since it takes Carrier III. Also, if we had teir2 drones, what would the Gallente get? They already have a dread that is both blasters and bat**** insane drone DPS.
Hyuuga Veralis Pator Tech School	Posted - 2007.07.27 01:59:00 - [30] Originally by: sov68n Originally by: Milonia LOL! That was the worst response ever. Every class of ship has its missile version and its rail version for Caldari. Moa/Caracal, Ferox/Drake, Rokh/Raven, Hawk/Harpy, Nighthawk/Vulture, Raptor/Crow, Cerberus/Eagle etc etc. Do I need to go on? Wow! how long have you been playing EVE? And NO a Titan is not a T2 Dread, it's a Titan. well if you're such an EVE know it all then why did you make such a dumb ass post to begin with? And no, Caldari ships ARE more oriented towards missles because their hybrid platforms (except Rokh) suck balls. As for the Dread-Titan, thing I was told by a former alliance member that was the case. w/e get a life. Someone has never seen the Harpy, Eagle or Vulture. And you'll find some people who swear by the moa and ferox as cheap frig/drone killers.



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