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Rocko MonkeyBone Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.07.25 11:02:00 - [31] Originally by: Akita T Well, the simple fact that they DO respond to the "are you a farmer" question with a "YES" it's almost proof enough that they're NOT MACRO USERS. Mission farming or belt farming is allowed. Hell, we ALL do it, did it, or think about doing it at one time. Sure, they're ISK farmers... so what ? They're not breaking the EULA ... YET. Report them for selling ISK, not for farming missions. But you better have proof they SELL that ISK instead of just using it for themselves. Just like to point out, because you havent read my post what so ever. I never said they use Macro's.... they are simply ISK Farmers. And the fact that we came about their forums from one of the aformentioned farmers of Fountain. Or perhaps your translator didnt catch that part? But anyway your troll lvl5 is defo working for you.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.07.25 11:04:00 - [32] Originally by: Rocko MonkeyBone Just like to point out, because you havent read my post what so ever. I never said they use Macro's.... they are simply ISK Farmers. And the fact that we came about their forums from one of the aformentioned farmers of Fountain. Or perhaps your translator didnt catch that part? But anyway your troll lvl5 is defo working for you. I've read YOUR post, but I was responding to the OP mostly. As for your post, the part that said "report them for ISK selling not for farming" was the response. So, have you reported them for ISK SELLING and they haven't been banned ? Have you added links to the forum too ? _ Complaint vs whine \| Char creation guide \| Stacknerfs explained
Kerdrak 3B Legio IX Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.25 11:08:00 - [33] Originally by: Fswd Originally by: Banana Torres Originally by: Akita T Originally by: MissileRus CCP should implement 2 account limit rules waits And you're going to enforce that... how exactly ? If your answer is "by IP"... bzzzt wrong. Every time you start a new account you have to send CCP a testicle. Thereby limiting you to two accounts. There are no girlies on the interweb so we don't have to worry about that. Yeah and after which you can never venture to 0.0, cuz you dont have a pair and obviously cant grow another one either Maybe giving CCP your ears? we don't use them ingame, isn't? ________________________________________
Banana Torres The Green Banana Corporation	Posted - 2007.07.25 11:11:00 - [34] Originally by: heheheh yea but we could limit it by IP tbh mr troll. It would have a bad effect on those with several people playing from the same IP but it would be worth doing for the good of the community IMHO. You do know that the largest ISP in Britain keeps a large part of it customers behind one IP address?
Maglorre	Posted - 2007.07.25 12:07:00 - [35] Originally by: Banana Torres Every time you start a new account you have to send CCP a testicle. Thereby limiting you to two accounts. There are no girlies on the interweb so we don't have to worry about that. Well, that's not very fair? What about me? My wife keeps one of mine in a jar beside the bed so I'd be limited to just one account. And one of my sons was born with only one, what about the testicularly challenged people?
Sikozu Prioris Cirrius Technologies O X I D E	Posted - 2007.07.25 12:47:00 - [36] The reason ccp ddnt do anything is because either you presented no actual evidence of a macro being used or when they looked into the "macro'ers" activities there was nothing to suggest any automation of what should be human activities. Also isk farming is NOT against the EULA, so for all the isk farmers in fountain it is perfectly legal as long as they dont pass the isk on to be sold.
Mister Xerox	Posted - 2007.07.25 12:52:00 - [37] Originally by: Ryan Scouse'UK If you take a closer look there all 5days old.. all born on the same times.. all doin the same missions for the same agents.. ( here is the key part.. pay attention now ) FOR A VERY VERY LONG TIME per DAY .. the Daddy macros are 2months old with 9.5 faction standing .. ok now thx bye & STFU .. to Question me ok ? I know they exist, I've seen them... running all over CVA space in lowsec uncontested by the locals. How do we know they're macros? Always AFK, no response to convos, pods just sit there after the ship goes pop, for hours. Unfortunately these haulers are carrying 'mission cargo' which has absolutely no value whatsoever. It can't even be refined. My questions are thus: Why do they do this? So they can jump directly to level 4s when their faction is super? Or just run to the associated COSMOS 'ship agent' and pick up their free faction BS to sell? Why do the locals (CVA in this case) tolerate them? Are they running them, or just turning a blind eye because CCP wont do sh*t all about macros in this game (unless they're run by 'legitimate' longtime players who have just given up and joined the crowd... only to be banned a week later?) CCP has mud on its face on this issue, and they've totally forgotten how to wash.
I SoStoned	Posted - 2007.07.25 12:56:00 - [38] Originally by: Sikozu Prioris The reason ccp ddnt do anything is because either you presented no actual evidence of a macro being used or when they looked into the "macro'ers" activities there was nothing to suggest any automation of what should be human activities. Also isk farming is NOT against the EULA, so for all the isk farmers in fountain it is perfectly legal as long as they dont pass the isk on to be sold. Which they do.
Cairo dog Gallente Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.25 12:58:00 - [39] Edited by: Cairo dog on 25/07/2007 12:58:53 Originally by: Mister Xerox Why do they do this? So they can jump directly to level 4s when their faction is super? Or just run to the associated COSMOS 'ship agent' and pick up their free faction BS to sell? I believe this is the case. We saw what we assume to be the leader of one of the ops in Verge Vendor flying a Navythron to high sec. We almost caught it at a gate but it had a full rack of stabs. We doubt it was a real player for it was 3 months old, had been seen flying with the mission farmers/macros, had a full rack of stabs, and had a nonsensical name. ------------------------------------- Rawr
Loyal Servant Caldari Farmer Killers United Corporations Against Macros	Posted - 2007.07.25 12:59:00 - [40] Originally by: Mister Xerox Originally by: Ryan Scouse'UK If you take a closer look there all 5days old.. all born on the same times.. all doin the same missions for the same agents.. ( here is the key part.. pay attention now ) FOR A VERY VERY LONG TIME per DAY .. the Daddy macros are 2months old with 9.5 faction standing .. ok now thx bye & STFU .. to Question me ok ? I know they exist, I've seen them... running all over CVA space in lowsec uncontested by the locals. How do we know they're macros? Always AFK, no response to convos, pods just sit there after the ship goes pop, for hours. Unfortunately these haulers are carrying 'mission cargo' which has absolutely no value whatsoever. It can't even be refined. My questions are thus: Why do they do this? So they can jump directly to level 4s when their faction is super? Or just run to the associated COSMOS 'ship agent' and pick up their free faction BS to sell? Why do the locals (CVA in this case) tolerate them? Are they running them, or just turning a blind eye because CCP wont do sh*t all about macros in this game (unless they're run by 'legitimate' longtime players who have just given up and joined the crowd... only to be banned a week later?) CCP has mud on its face on this issue, and they've totally forgotten how to wash. Tell this to CVA leadership. They don't listen to me because I was formerly in TSDS - an archenemy of theirs. Truth is, I don't care about the in-game RP and crap we used to do with CVA, this is a _REAL_ issue they have in providence. They don't care - they do not have an NBSI rule and have a 'no pirating/ganking' rule so if you go in there to harass an isk farmer expect to get a blobl of CVA all over you.
Kazar Jaal Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.07.25 13:08:00 - [41] Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 25/07/2007 11:05:51 Originally by: Rocko MonkeyBone Just like to point out, because you havent read my post what so ever. I never said they use Macro's.... they are simply ISK Farmers. And the fact that we came about their forums from one of the aformentioned farmers of Fountain. Or perhaps your translator didnt catch that part? But anyway your troll lvl5 is defo working for you. I've read YOUR post, but I was responding to the OP mostly. You know, the one that has the thread title " MACRO mission Runners.. am bein IGNORED ... how many pettions ?" As for your post, the part that said "report them for ISK selling not for farming" was the response. So, have you reported them for ISK SELLING and they haven't been banned ? Have you added links to the forum too ? I really wish you would stop typing random words in bold, you do it far too much to have the desired effect of poorly attempting to emphasize what you are trying to say anyway. Not only that, its highly irritating. The farmers themselves do not actually sell the isk, therefore cannot be banned for it. When you said that proof is needed, how can said solid proof be gained short of buying isk and noting who sold it.
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2007.07.25 14:04:00 - [42] Originally by: Rocko MonkeyBone We even found a link to a chinese Isk Farmers forum. Where they discuss how and where to farm, aswell as their unfortunate demise by SL and Exuro hands! Send me an eve-mail to this forum in-game, so I shall locate their operations and relieve them of their ships. ------------ ULTIMATE LAG SOLUTION IBTL! IBDS/DC! IBTC! 1st in a BoB post! And other such forum tom-foolery.
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2007.07.25 14:06:00 - [43] Originally by: Loyal Servant Tell this to CVA leadership. They don't listen to me because I was formerly in TSDS - an archenemy of theirs. Truth is, I don't care about the in-game RP and crap we used to do with CVA, this is a _REAL_ issue they have in providence. They don't care - they do not have an NBSI rule and have a 'no pirating/ganking' rule so if you go in there to harass an isk farmer expect to get a blobl of CVA all over you. Unfortunately, CVA's leadership won't do much because (though I'm not 100% positive) bored CVA PvPers in Providence were getting a bit trigger-happy with these macro-haulers and ended up killing several innocent civilians in the process. Attacking any of them without express authorization beforehand will result in you being banned from CVA intel channels. ------------ ULTIMATE LAG SOLUTION IBTL! IBDS/DC! IBTC! 1st in a BoB post! And other such forum tom-foolery.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.07.25 14:09:00 - [44] Edited by: Akita T on 25/07/2007 14:11:48 Originally by: Kazar Jaal I really wish you would stop typing random words in bold, you do it far too much to have the desired effect of poorly attempting to emphasize what you are trying to say anyway. Not only that, its highly irritating. The farmers themselves do not actually sell the isk, therefore cannot be banned for it. When you said that proof is needed, how can said solid proof be gained short of buying isk and noting who sold it. That's because I'm "screaming", irritated by the previous posters. I write the same way as I would speak. Comes naturally to me, no matter how irritating in turn it might be to others. Besides, it was 2 bolded words and 2 caps lock words. The rest were part of a "quote". Excessive use, my ass... If the sold/RMTed ISK can not be traced back to the farmers in question... well, you have no reason for ANY complaints whatsoever. They're not breaking any rules, so they don't deserve a ban. Wether that's a question of poor/sloppy GM practices or not, that's an entirely different issue. _ Complaint vs whine \| Char creation guide \| Stacknerfs explained
Domitianvs Amarr Virginia Mining Institute	Posted - 2007.07.25 14:30:00 - [45] Quote: If the sold/RMTed ISK can not be traced back to the farmers in question... well, you have no reason for ANY complaints whatsoever. They're not breaking any rules, so they don't deserve a ban. Wether that's a question of poor/sloppy GM practices or not, that's an entirely different issue. One thing you seem to be overlooking Akita is that alot of these "Farmers" are on 23/7. There is no way that a person could keep up with that schedule. You need more then one hour of sleep. It is just not possible for one person to do that. What your left with is that there must be more then one person (or a macro) running the account for it to be going 23/7. Account sharing is a bannable offense just like macro use. So yes these accounts that are running 23/7 do deserve to be banned.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.07.25 14:39:00 - [46] Originally by: Domitianvs What your left with is that there must be more then one person (or a macro) running the account for it to be going 23/7. Account sharing is a bannable offense just like macro use. So yes these accounts that are running 23/7 do deserve to be banned. You do realize that "account sharing bans" are literally (almost) never enforced, and that there are "EULA-wise legal" (or "grey area") methods of account sharing (parent/child or other close family relations). Yeah, sure, IF an account is online 23/7 AND ACTS ALL THE TIME it is most likely either (non-EULA-wise legally) shared or using macro programs. Still, you know that you can be online 23/7 and not use a macro nor have a shared account. And in certain special cases, it might even be able to act most of the time. Your definition of "deserve to be banned" has no value whatsoever compared to CCP's decision of "we will ban this one but not the other". _ Complaint vs whine \| Char creation guide \| Stacknerfs explained
Kazar Jaal Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.07.25 14:53:00 - [47] Edited by: Kazar Jaal on 25/07/2007 15:02:15 Edited by: Kazar Jaal on 25/07/2007 14:58:22 Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 25/07/2007 14:11:48 Originally by: Kazar Jaal I really wish you would stop typing random words in bold, you do it far too much to have the desired effect of poorly attempting to emphasize what you are trying to say anyway. Not only that, its highly irritating. The farmers themselves do not actually sell the isk, therefore cannot be banned for it. When you said that proof is needed, how can said solid proof be gained short of buying isk and noting who sold it. That's because I'm "screaming", irritated by the previous posters. I write the same way as I would speak. Comes naturally to me, no matter how irritating in turn it might be to others. Besides, it was 2 bolded words and 2 caps lock words. The rest were part of a "quote". Excessive use, my ass... If the sold/RMTed ISK can not be traced back to the farmers in question... well, you have no reason for ANY complaints whatsoever. They're not breaking any rules, so they don't deserve a ban. Wether that's a question of poor/sloppy GM practices or not, that's an entirely different issue. Out of the eleventybillion posts you make a day. I very very rarely see one without some sort of emotive and very creative use of formatting even though it is entirely superfluous. On that note, you must be bloody funny to listen to if you actually speak like that. Oh one more thing... they aren't farming isk for the good of their health, it is being sold somewhere. This means there is every reason to complain, tell me how if no complaints are made they will ever be banned.
FT Diomedes Gallente Ductus Exemplo	Posted - 2007.07.25 14:54:00 - [48] Edited by: FT Diomedes on 25/07/2007 14:56:50 Originally by: Domitianvs Quote: If the sold/RMTed ISK can not be traced back to the farmers in question... well, you have no reason for ANY complaints whatsoever. They're not breaking any rules, so they don't deserve a ban. Wether that's a question of poor/sloppy GM practices or not, that's an entirely different issue. One thing you seem to be overlooking Akita is that alot of these "Farmers" are on 23/7. There is no way that a person could keep up with that schedule. You need more then one hour of sleep. It is just not possible for one person to do that. What your left with is that there must be more then one person (or a macro) running the account for it to be going 23/7. Account sharing is a bannable offense just like macro use. So yes these accounts that are running 23/7 do deserve to be banned. Are they actually running missions 23/7? Or are they just always on-line (except for downtime)? I know lots of people who stay on-line all the time, but they are AFK while they are sleeping, eating, etc. One thing that really bothers me about some people in the Eve community is how much they care about how other people play. It really is none of your business how someone else plays, or why someone else plays. Everyone you see in this game is paying to play Eve. The day you pay for someone else's account so that they can play the game, is the day you can tell them what to do in the game. Until then, it's none of your business. The only entity that has any right to determine whether someone is playing outside the rules is CCP. PS - not to mention that CCP don't need us to petition suspected macrominers, ISK sellers or anyone else. They are the ones with the ability to see that "askfdjhgd" transfers eleventy trillion ISK through his account on a daily basis. If they don't want to do anything about it, they must have their reasons.
Cornucopian Gallente Dutch Omega	Posted - 2007.07.25 14:58:00 - [49] Originally by: Banana Torres Originally by: Akita T Originally by: MissileRus CCP should implement 2 account limit rules waits And you're going to enforce that... how exactly ? If your answer is "by IP"... bzzzt wrong. Every time you start a new account you have to send CCP a testicle. Thereby limiting you to two accounts. There are no girlies on the interweb so we don't have to worry about that. EPIC WIN! ----------------------------------------------- "Yes... I sleep with my myrmidon. It's nothing to be ashamed of!"
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.07.25 15:02:00 - [50] Edited by: Akita T on 25/07/2007 15:04:23 Originally by: FT Diomedes PS - not to mention that CCP don't need us to petition suspected macrominers, ISK sellers or anyone else. They are the ones with the ability to see that "askfdjhgd" transfers eleventy trillion ISK through his account on a daily basis. If they don't want to do anything about it, they must have their reasons. What he said Originally by: Kazar Jaal On that note, you must be bloody funny to listen to if you actually speak like that. Ask the corpmates I met in real-life or the ones that heard me on TS/vent. Oh, and usually, I don't even need a microphone/speaker system in a 200-person classroom (for that, you'd have to ask my university colleagues) Originally by: Kazar Jaal Oh one more thing... they aren't farming isk for the good of their health, it is being sold somewhere. This means there is every reason to complain, tell me how if no complaints are made they will ever be banned. More reasons to leave THEM alone, trace the ISK where it's being sold, wipe out the ISK deposits wherever they concentrate, and punish the players buying it (negative ISK balance being the SMALLEST of their concerns). There will always be ISK farmers and ISK sellers. Going after the farmers, is... well... pointless, at best. Do you really think they'll "feel the hurt" much ? On the other hand, hunting the customers, even with a minimal penality (like, confiscating the acquired ISK), that's much more reasonable. In time, this would eventually lead to a dissapearence of ISK farmers. The alternative (hunt the farmers), you know who it hurts ? The "system". Farmers will re-create the account and work double-hard to recover, you have lost the lead so you're less likely to punish the end-user, and... well... you get the idea. _ Complaint vs whine \| Char creation guide \| Stacknerfs explained
fuze	Posted - 2007.07.25 15:15:00 - [51] Originally by: FT Diomedes PS - not to mention that CCP don't need us to petition suspected macrominers, ISK sellers or anyone else. They are the ones with the ability to see that "askfdjhgd" transfers eleventy trillion ISK through his account on a daily basis. If they don't want to do anything about it, they must have their reasons. You are a naive fool. Macro, sweatshop workers are breaking the game as intended so they are fair game to all because they violate not only the EULA but also mock on common decency for people trying to have a good time. Over 380 billion seized and hundreds of characters were perm banned. And the meter just keeps running. And if you think you can buy your way around in Eve you're a total and utter loser. Besides sweatshop workers are payed very poorly and they are being abused by their bosses most of the times. So you can help improve somebody's real life by not buying ISK. Think about that.
Hellspawn01 Amarr Falcon Advanced Industries	Posted - 2007.07.25 15:30:00 - [52] You are not being ignored. I know this from another game that they dont ban individuals instantly, they wipe hundreds of not thousands of them at once in a huge ban wave so the macros creators cant adapt. If they are still there after such a ban wave, petition again if you are 100% sure that they are macros/ISK farmers. Ship lovers click here
Hellspawn01 Amarr Falcon Advanced Industries	Posted - 2007.07.25 15:55:00 - [53] Btw, how do you find the buyers? I know what to look for to find the farmers or even sellers but the buyers are harder to track down. Ship lovers click here
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.07.25 16:16:00 - [54] Originally by: Hellspawn01 Btw, how do you find the buyers? I know what to look for to find the farmers or even sellers but the buyers are harder to track down. As a player, you really don't have any significant options (short of dumb luck) to find an ISK buyer. However, CCP has more than enough means to find them if they want. _ Complaint vs whine \| Char creation guide \| Stacknerfs explained
Morden Nok Cohortes Vigilum Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.25 17:13:00 - [55] Actually, we do see the large number of macroes/farmers in lower Domain as a problem. They look to be more or less controlled the same way 0.0 cloak-ravens are, ie. there is operator controlling 10 or so accounts and accounts run some sort of macros (0.0 cloak-raven macros are pretty simple if you have ever observed them). They have been petitioned to CCP so many times that we know that CCP is not gonna do absolutely anything about them Thing is, we cannot really drive them off as they're not worth the sec hits and are all in noob-corps. And giving free reign for some semi-piratical entity to hunt them is definetely no-no and not just for RP reasons. Originally by: Tarminic Unfortunately, CVA's leadership won't do much because (though I'm not 100% positive) bored CVA PvPers in Providence were getting a bit trigger-happy with these macro-haulers and ended up killing several innocent civilians in the process. Actually, this is partially correct but barking up the wrong tree. It was not CVA, but other local residents who were incompetent and didn't bother checking their targets and instead shot every noob-corp hauler they saw. This resulted in our current policy in which we do NOT give bored, trigger happy pilots free reign over the macro problem. I'm not speaking in any official CVA capacity in this post.
Ryan Scouse'UK	Posted - 2007.07.26 06:38:00 - [56] Edited by: Ryan Scouse''UK on 26/07/2007 06:38:16 to all those that FLAMED my Post la la la .. They are macro.. there not players behide the 10s of Alts.. all in the same noob corp all running cargo missions in LOW SEC !! yes when they get ganked they just sit in there pod for hours on end until there controller comes back & moves them or they get podded..this post is about macro not about players runnin many many missions on different accounts so can we stop the defending & trolling ya little girls? .. These macros are making lag.. & unwanted names in local its a joke ! 10s of alts in the same corp same time random names I dont care if they sell there isk on or not.. the fact there are tons of them all runnin the same misisons for standing has to stop they started running combat missions as macros also .. 11 Caracls in local hello ? .. all AFK none reply to convo sit in there pods when blowin up at stations for hours on end.. Enuff .. p.s well done Exuro Mortis for tryin to stop them.
Natsuki Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.26 06:48:00 - [57] Originally by: MissileRus CCP should implement 2 account limit rules waits kill urself ----------------------------------- btw, threatening to close 1 account really hurt my eyes. - xaioguai
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2007.07.26 06:48:00 - [58] Originally by: Cairo dog Edited by: Cairo dog on 25/07/2007 12:58:53 Originally by: Mister Xerox Why do they do this? So they can jump directly to level 4s when their faction is super? Or just run to the associated COSMOS 'ship agent' and pick up their free faction BS to sell? I believe this is the case. We saw what we assume to be the leader of one of the ops in Verge Vendor flying a Navythron to high sec. We almost caught it at a gate but it had a full rack of stabs. We doubt it was a real player for it was 3 months old, had been seen flying with the mission farmers/macros, had a full rack of stabs, and had a nonsensical name. WOW, so they are running thousand of no pay missions to get 1 (one) navy BPC with 2 (two) runs, for a net nort of 2 billions? See improbable.
Ryan Scouse'UK	Posted - 2007.07.26 07:03:00 - [59] Originally by: Natsuki Originally by: MissileRus CCP should implement 2 account limit rules waits kill urself I agree with BOB on this.. hardly anyone uses just one account these days.
gpYUAN29	Posted - 2007.07.26 07:40:00 - [60] Edited by: gpYUAN29 on 26/07/2007 07:40:20 Holy ** If I was a GM I'd ignore you, too. Know what an argument is? From Google's (awesomely handy) Define: a fact or assertion offered as evidence that something is true; "it was a strong argument that his hypothesis was true All I see in your petition is you saying "They is macros they r bad ban them they laggin' me n u", I mean who would pay any attention to that kind of crap let alone the person saying it? CCP is not at fault - you are. Write properly and get some respect. The polar opposite to the above argument** I've presented is that they could just be people who can't speak english and really, really like running missions. Prove me wrong in that regard.

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