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Flynn Tagart Caldari Blood Eagle Federation Soldiers of the Forgotten Abyss	Posted - 2007.07.26 02:49:00 - [1] Edited by: Flynn Tagart on 26/07/2007 02:52:31 CCP, This has gone on long enough, there have been to many emergency downtimes and screw ups, I believe We as in everyone who spends MONEY to play this game deserves compensation. Many people have lost skill time or ships or expensive stuff to all this bull crap, and what are you doing to justify this? You guys have a test server, but it might as well be called the Carebear server, where all the carebears go to play waste a quarter hour fitting ships to go shoot at other people. Don't get me wrong on it though, some of the skilled players go on there and kick some carebear arse, like Tank CEO. You guys use the test server if lucky, once a month AS a test server. I demand compensation for the time you have taken away from me and my fellow brethern, the people who play this game along side me, whether it be ISK or SP, or ships or free game time. I love eve because its the only game out there where your free. But with each patch that causes more downtime, more Rabble threads, more "the server is down due to unexpected errors" (which isn't that F'ing hard to figure out, its the patch that you installed before testing thoroughly) My love for eve, dissipates, and its now dissipating on a more rapid level from these weekly unexpected downtimes, the server was perfect in 2006, hardly any downtimes, well right before revelations was installed. I'm tired of this, i only have 22 months left before im on my own, and i dont want it to be with a bunch of downtimed months. I refuse to take my ships out and PVP this past month because of this what appears to be a near daily downtiming, well weekly. A lot of people are tired of it, I've even seen a few people leave over it. And anyone who feels that CCP is working hard at fixing this up good, your wrong, We wouldn't have these downtimes in the first place if CCP would put the patches through thorough testing, they just change the code, and slap it on TQ as if it was a decal on the back of a truck, so don't counter attack this I've gotten everything i wanted to say off my chest, please consider the hard working payers who pay to play this game, as well as the people who put their love into this game. I will stick to EVE for hopefully many years to come, but not if this stuff keeps up. I am Flynn Tagart, President of the Blood Eagle Federation, and Emperor of the Soldiers of the Forgotten Abyss alliance, Hear me roar, and fly safe everyone, and i also hope those who got stuck in lvl 4's/5's didn't lose their ships, if did, hopefully its all freely reimbursed. ______________________________________________ President of the Blood Eagle Federation. Emporer of Soldiers of the Forgotten Abyss alliance http://www.Ginger.Yougotowned.com
Cypherous Minmatar Liberty Rogues Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.26 02:56:00 - [2] I've been able to carebear and train skills etc even with the patches so no problems here, as for reimbursement petition it if they deem you lost it because of lag/serverside error it'll probably get reimbursed but you won't get a fast answer, what is it exactly you want from them? --------- Liberty Rogues Website
Philanthus Phalanx Industries	Posted - 2007.07.26 03:00:00 - [3] Did you have some epic John Williams like tune playing in your head when you wrote this?
Tobias Sjodin Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.07.26 03:02:00 - [4] I almost bothered with reading the first line. Would you rather pay for your expansions? - Recruitment open again-
Santa Claw Federation of Synthetic Persons YouWhat	Posted - 2007.07.26 03:03:00 - [5] I guess it is time for the wambulance
Jaderpop Minmatar Four Rings D-L	Posted - 2007.07.26 03:14:00 - [6] A wise man once said opinons are like but holes everyone has one. With this being said sir you have your own opinon and you are more than welcome to feel the way you feel. MY opinon is that yeah theres been some downtimes but Eve is still the best mmorpg that ive played ever. Feel bad for the WOW, SWG, or the others that you have to pay for the expansions feel bad for the people who dont have the freedom we EVE players have. This is from a player who has been in the game for over 3 years I still love it the same as i do back when i picked up the game from the used computer game bin from EB Games. If you are that disapointed in the game then its simple cancel your account leave the game and go play WOW. If you honestly like the game then wait around itll get better CCP is fixing things and IT WILL GET BETTER. Fly safe
Scathia Mindbender System-Lords	Posted - 2007.07.26 03:21:00 - [7] Originally by: Flynn Tagart Edited by: Flynn Tagart on 26/07/2007 02:52:31 CCP, This has gone on long enough, there have been to many emergency downtimes and screw ups, I believe We as in everyone who spends MONEY to play this game deserves compensation. Many people have lost skill time or ships or expensive stuff to all this bull crap, and what are you doing to justify this? You guys have a test server, but it might as well be called the Carebear server, where all the carebears go to play waste a quarter hour fitting ships to go shoot at other people. Don't get me wrong on it though, some of the skilled players go on there and kick some carebear arse, like Tank CEO. You guys use the test server if lucky, once a month AS a test server. I demand compensation for the time you have taken away from me and my fellow brethern, the people who play this game along side me, whether it be ISK or SP, or ships or free game time. I love eve because its the only game out there where your free. But with each patch that causes more downtime, more Rabble threads, more "the server is down due to unexpected errors" (which isn't that F'ing hard to figure out, its the patch that you installed before testing thoroughly) My love for eve, dissipates, and its now dissipating on a more rapid level from these weekly unexpected downtimes, the server was perfect in 2006, hardly any downtimes, well right before revelations was installed. I'm tired of this, i only have 22 months left before im on my own, and i dont want it to be with a bunch of downtimed months. I refuse to take my ships out and PVP this past month because of this what appears to be a near daily downtiming, well weekly. A lot of people are tired of it, I've even seen a few people leave over it. And anyone who feels that CCP is working hard at fixing this up good, your wrong, We wouldn't have these downtimes in the first place if CCP would put the patches through thorough testing, they just change the code, and slap it on TQ as if it was a decal on the back of a truck, so don't counter attack this I've gotten everything i wanted to say off my chest, please consider the hard working payers who pay to play this game, as well as the people who put their love into this game. I will stick to EVE for hopefully many years to come, but not if this stuff keeps up. I am Flynn Tagart, President of the Blood Eagle Federation, and Emperor of the Soldiers of the Forgotten Abyss alliance, Hear me roar, and fly safe everyone, and i also hope those who got stuck in lvl 4's/5's didn't lose their ships, if did, hopefully its all freely reimbursed. Boo Hoo. You demand nothing, you dont own your character CCP does, therefore your wasting your time.
Digital Solaris	Posted - 2007.07.26 03:25:00 - [8] Originally by: Flynn Tagart CCP, This has gone on long enough, there have been to many emergency downtimes and screw ups, I believe We as in everyone who spends MONEY to play this game deserves compensation. Many people have lost skill time or ships or expensive stuff to all this bull crap, and what are you doing to justify this? You guys have a test server, but it might as well be called the Carebear server, where all the carebears go to play waste a quarter hour fitting ships to go shoot at other people. Don't get me wrong on it though, some of the skilled players go on there and kick some carebear arse, like Tank CEO. You guys use the test server if lucky, once a month AS a test server. I demand compensation for the time you have taken away from me and my fellow brethern, the people who play this game along side me, whether it be ISK or SP, or ships or free game time. I love eve because its the only game out there where your free. But with each patch that causes more downtime, more Rabble threads, more "the server is down due to unexpected errors" (which isn't that F'ing hard to figure out, its the patch that you installed before testing thoroughly) My love for eve, dissipates, and its now dissipating on a more rapid level from these weekly unexpected downtimes, the server was perfect in 2006, hardly any downtimes, well right before revelations was installed. I'm tired of this, i only have 22 months left before im on my own, and i dont want it to be with a bunch of downtimed months. I refuse to take my ships out and PVP this past month because of this what appears to be a near daily downtiming, well weekly. A lot of people are tired of it, I've even seen a few people leave over it. And anyone who feels that CCP is working hard at fixing this up good, your wrong, We wouldn't have these downtimes in the first place if CCP would put the patches through thorough testing, they just change the code, and slap it on TQ as if it was a decal on the back of a truck, so don't counter attack this I've gotten everything i wanted to say off my chest, please consider the hard working payers who pay to play this game, as well as the people who put their love into this game. I will stick to EVE for hopefully many years to come, but not if this stuff keeps up. I am Flynn Tagart, President of the Blood Eagle Federation, and Emperor of the Soldiers of the Forgotten Abyss alliance, Hear me roar, and fly safe everyone, and i also hope those who got stuck in lvl 4's/5's didn't lose their ships, if did, hopefully its all freely reimbursed. Sir, have you ever gone out in the real world?
lofty29 Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.07.26 03:26:00 - [9] Originally by: Digital Solaris Sir, have you ever gone out in the real world? My dear fellow, I am not certain that he has! --- Project Mayhem WTS : Faction Lewt
An Anarchyyt Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.07.26 03:30:00 - [10] Edited by: An Anarchyyt on 26/07/2007 03:30:57 Originally by: Flynn Tagart I'm tired of this, i only have 22 months left before im on my own Says a lot. I demand compensation for filling up space in my brain with this thread.
Flynn Tagart Caldari Blood Eagle Federation Soldiers of the Forgotten Abyss	Posted - 2007.07.26 03:32:00 - [11] sorry carebears, didn't mean to hurt your feelings over the test server, aka carebear server thing, but its the truth. ______________________________________________ President of the Blood Eagle Federation. Emporer of Soldiers of the Forgotten Abyss alliance http://www.Ginger.Yougotowned.com
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.07.26 03:34:00 - [12] Originally by: Flynn Tagart sorry carebears, didn't mean to hurt your feelings over the test server, aka carebear server thing, but its the truth. I don't think anyone here said anything about the test server... ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP
lofty29 Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.07.26 03:34:00 - [13] Originally by: Flynn Tagart sorry carebears, didn't mean to hurt your feelings over the test server, aka carebear server thing, but its the truth. Hardly. Did someone get nossed in FFA1? Aw, too bad --- Project Mayhem WTS : Faction Lewt
Scathia Mindbender System-Lords	Posted - 2007.07.26 03:39:00 - [14] Edited by: Scathia Mindbender on 26/07/2007 03:39:12 Originally by: Flynn Tagart sorry carebears, didn't mean to hurt your feelings over the test server, aka carebear server thing, but its the truth. WAAW WAAAAA WAAAAAAAA. I mean seriously, get over yourself. and yeah Lofty, he probably got Nos or Damped
An Anarchyyt Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.07.26 03:42:00 - [15] Edited by: An Anarchyyt on 26/07/2007 03:44:09 Edited by: An Anarchyyt on 26/07/2007 03:42:21 And one of Edit: That link doesn't work because of the filter.
Digital Solaris	Posted - 2007.07.26 03:42:00 - [16] Originally by: Flynn Tagart sorry carebears, didn't mean to hurt your feelings over the test server, aka carebear server thing, but its the truth. You made the copy of your eve installation folder and when you came on to sisi, you realized that your character was still training the most fundamental skills, like learning?
lofty29 Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.07.26 03:43:00 - [17] Originally by: Digital Solaris Originally by: Flynn Tagart sorry carebears, didn't mean to hurt your feelings over the test server, aka carebear server thing, but its the truth. You made the copy of your eve installation folder and when you came on to sisi, you realized that your character was still training the most fundamental skills, like learning? Intel 1 ftl. --- Project Mayhem WTS : Faction Lewt
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.26 03:49:00 - [18] Dear OP; You state you speak for all of us but really you don't Your post is a fail Real turtles tank armor. Real men fly Pink. Nerfageddon
Vincenzo Delloro Amarr Lux et Veritas	Posted - 2007.07.26 03:57:00 - [19] Edited by: Vincenzo Delloro on 26/07/2007 03:57:53 I work for a multimillion dollar corporation managing services for clients who pay us millions of dollars a year. Not a single one of them expects to have any of the significant quirks in the network removed just because they don't like them, or experience fault free service, or always get what they want when they want. If something goes wrong with the provisioning of a service, they accept that we're doing what we can but that these things happen and sometimes take a very long time to sort out. From that perspective, it's hard to understand why you think your $15 a month entitles you to anything more than what we currently get from CCP (who in my opinion, get top marks for customer service.) EDIT: spelling
lofty29 Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.07.26 04:02:00 - [20] Originally by: Vincenzo Delloro I work for a multimillion dollar corporation managing services for clients who pay us millions of dollars a year. 8==================================================> --- Project Mayhem WTS : Faction Lewt
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.07.26 04:05:00 - [21] Look, look, here is the line in the EULA which guarantees us ... well ... anything: Oh, wait, no, sorry. - I wish I was a three foot female doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes.
Vincenzo Delloro Amarr Lux et Veritas	Posted - 2007.07.26 04:06:00 - [22] Originally by: lofty29 Originally by: Vincenzo Delloro I work for a multimillion dollar corporation managing services for clients who pay us millions of dollars a year. 8==================================================> checks I think you're being about 3 inches too generous to me. But thanks! ...oh, wait, you meant my epeen. Probably accurate then.
Illyria Ambri RennTech	Posted - 2007.07.26 04:09:00 - [23] Edited by: Illyria Ambri on 26/07/2007 04:10:54 As I asked before... Would your like you .02 cents per hour refund as a check or money order? ------------ This is not War... This is pest control - Dalek Sek Here come the Drums!! - The Master
Hubbins The Three Hundred R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.07.26 04:10:00 - [24] Edited by: Hubbins on 26/07/2007 04:11:55 Originally by: EULA EULA Section 12 NO WARRANTIES The Software, System, Game and all Game Content, and all other services and material provided in connection therewith, are provided "AS IS," with all faults, and without warranty of any kind. You assume all risk of use and all risk associated with accessing the System and playing the Game. CCP disclaims all warranties, whether express or implied, including without limitation the warranties of merchantability, fitness for particular purpose and non-infringement. There is no warranty against interference with your enjoyment of the Game. CCP does not warrant that the operation of the System or your access to the System, or that your use of the Software, will be uninterrupted or error-free, nor that the System or Software will be compatible with your hardware and software. While CCP attempts to have the System available at most times, CCP does not guarantee that the System will always be available, or that the System will not become unavailable during Game play. The System may become unavailable for a number of reasons, including without limitation during the performance of maintenance to the System, for the implementation of new software, for emergency situations and due to equipment or telecommunications failures. Linkage
Tonkin D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.26 04:11:00 - [25] Originally by: Flynn Tagart Edited by: Flynn Tagart on 26/07/2007 02:52:31 CCP, This has gone on long enough, there have been to many emergency downtimes and screw ups, I believe We as in everyone who spends MONEY to play this game deserves compensation. Many people have lost skill time or ships or expensive stuff to all this bull crap, and what are you doing to justify this? You guys have a test server, but it might as well be called the Carebear server, where all the carebears go to play waste a quarter hour fitting ships to go shoot at other people. Don't get me wrong on it though, some of the skilled players go on there and kick some carebear arse, like Tank CEO. You guys use the test server if lucky, once a month AS a test server. I demand compensation for the time you have taken away from me and my fellow brethern, the people who play this game along side me, whether it be ISK or SP, or ships or free game time. I love eve because its the only game out there where your free. But with each patch that causes more downtime, more Rabble threads, more "the server is down due to unexpected errors" (which isn't that F'ing hard to figure out, its the patch that you installed before testing thoroughly) My love for eve, dissipates, and its now dissipating on a more rapid level from these weekly unexpected downtimes, the server was perfect in 2006, hardly any downtimes, well right before revelations was installed. I'm tired of this, i only have 22 months left before im on my own, and i dont want it to be with a bunch of downtimed months. I refuse to take my ships out and PVP this past month because of this what appears to be a near daily downtiming, well weekly. A lot of people are tired of it, I've even seen a few people leave over it. And anyone who feels that CCP is working hard at fixing this up good, your wrong, We wouldn't have these downtimes in the first place if CCP would put the patches through thorough testing, they just change the code, and slap it on TQ as if it was a decal on the back of a truck, so don't counter attack this I've gotten everything i wanted to say off my chest, please consider the hard working payers who pay to play this game, as well as the people who put their love into this game. I will stick to EVE for hopefully many years to come, but not if this stuff keeps up. I am Flynn Tagart, President of the Blood Eagle Federation, and Emperor of the Soldiers of the Forgotten Abyss alliance, Hear me roar, and fly safe everyone, and i also hope those who got stuck in lvl 4's/5's didn't lose their ships, if did, hopefully its all freely reimbursed. stfu
Vizranuh	Posted - 2007.07.26 04:17:00 - [26] Originally by: Philanthus Did you have some epic John Williams like tune playing in your head when you wrote this? I lol'd --
Chaos Incarnate	Posted - 2007.07.26 04:18:00 - [27] CCP, I'd like to complain! It was clearly made clear in the legal junk that I accepted before logging in that my access to the eve service would be uninterrupted, that CCP's coding will always be perfect, and that the Omnipotence skill works IRL. However, I have since realized that my EVE access may falter, CCP is comprised entirely of squishy pink humanoids with a penchant for fallibility, and that the GMs and devs are not minor deities worthy of my undying worship. These combined facts have, in fact, blown my mind, and I request a years supply of alcohol to drown my sorrows in compensation, as well as some of those little hot dogs on toothpicks. Oh, and some Skittles. Everyone loves Skittles. In closing, please give me stuff or I shall be very sad. <insert forum tom-foolery here>
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.26 04:20:00 - [28] Originally by: Chaos Incarnate CCP, I'd like to complain! It was clearly made clear in the legal junk that I accepted before logging in that my access to the eve service would be uninterrupted, that CCP's coding will always be perfect, and that the Omnipotence skill works IRL. However, I have since realized that my EVE access may falter, CCP is comprised entirely of squishy pink humanoids with a penchant for fallibility, and that the GMs and devs are not minor deities worthy of my undying worship. These combined facts have, in fact, blown my mind, and I request a years supply of alcohol to drown my sorrows in compensation, as well as some of those little hot dogs on toothpicks. Oh, and some Skittles. Everyone loves Skittles. In closing, please give me stuff or I shall be very sad. <insert forum tom-foolery here> dude, your face... Real turtles tank armor. Real men fly Pink. Nerfageddon
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.26 04:31:00 - [29] Flynn, I've taken the liberty of rolling all that up into a simple little whine that you can remember. :) Here you go!
K'reemy G'udness Delicious	Posted - 2007.07.26 05:11:00 - [30] Originally by: Flynn Tagart Edited by: Flynn Tagart on 26/07/2007 02:52:31 I demand compensation for the time you have taken away from me and my fellow brethern, the people who play this game along side me, whether it be ISK or SP, or ships or free game time. I demand compensation for the time you have taken away from me. Why o why did I click on this thread? Sincerely, K'reemy ---
An Anarchyyt Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.07.26 05:14:00 - [31] Originally by: Flynn Tagart Originally by: Vincenzo Delloro Edited by: Vincenzo Delloro on 26/07/2007 03:57:53 I work for a multimillion dollar corporation managing services for clients who pay us millions of dollars a year. EDIT: spelling yea, I sometimes have fantasies like that too. Damn its too bad you probly work at some car wash Even though you live with your parents, I'll explain to you how this works for people who have jobs. Companies might make millions of dollars a year, that doesn't mean you make millions of dollars a year working for them.
Vincenzo Delloro Amarr Lux et Veritas	Posted - 2007.07.26 06:05:00 - [32] Originally by: An Anarchyyt Originally by: Flynn Tagart Originally by: Vincenzo Delloro Edited by: Vincenzo Delloro on 26/07/2007 03:57:53 I work for a multimillion dollar corporation managing services for clients who pay us millions of dollars a year. EDIT: spelling yea, I sometimes have fantasies like that too. Damn its too bad you probly work at some car wash Even though you live with your parents, I'll explain to you how this works for people who have jobs. Companies might make millions of dollars a year, that doesn't mean you make millions of dollars a year working for them. Exactly. I'm sorry some people got that impression from my post, but I'm hardly rolling in it. Shockingly, the people who manage voice and data service provisioning/installs for corporate clients are not the most well paid people on the planet. If I was a millionaire myself, don't you think I'd have a real spaceship by now?
An Anarchyyt Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.07.26 06:08:00 - [33] Originally by: Vincenzo Delloro Exactly. I'm sorry some people got that impression from my post, but I'm hardly rolling in it. Shockingly, the people who manage voice and data service provisioning/installs for corporate clients are not the most well paid people on the planet. If I was a millionaire myself, don't you think I'd have a real spaceship by now? If you ever become one, please donate to my "Get me a spot on a Virgin Galactic flight" fund.
Richard Aiel Caldari MicroFunks	Posted - 2007.07.26 06:08:00 - [34] Originally by: Tobias Sjodin I almost bothered with reading the first line. Would you rather pay for your expansions? If it meant we got a quality, lag/desynch free game, then HELL YES I would rather pay for the expansion. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.. We have never, nor will we ever, hack, ddos, or otherwise use OUT OF GAME means to gain ANY advantage.- Dianabolic
An Anarchyyt Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.07.26 06:11:00 - [35] Originally by: Richard Aiel Originally by: Tobias Sjodin I almost bothered with reading the first line. Would you rather pay for your expansions? If it meant we got a quality, lag/desynch free game, then HELL YES I would rather pay for the expansion. Unfortunatly, one does not have to do with the other. I'll get a graph for you.
Alski Gallente Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.26 06:11:00 - [36] ok everyone here raise your hand if you program a game with 150k+ subscribers in a mix of stackless phyton and C and run it on on a 180+ node development server that runs 30k concurrent users..... ....nobody?.... THEN STOP THE WHINEING ALLREADY!!!! it'll be fixed when its fixed, they don't cause this stuff deliberateley you know - (combat) Patch belonging to CCP hits your drones, wrecking their liberty and freedom.
Lord Sylar Amarr	Posted - 2007.07.26 06:42:00 - [37] Edited by: Lord Sylar on 26/07/2007 06:42:30 I have a question: What downtime?
Trazec	Posted - 2007.07.26 10:11:00 - [38] What EVE needs is not 10 MB patches, what EVE needs, in my opinion, is a major engine overhaul. Rumor has it we're getting that sometime soon, and I couldn't be more hyped about that.
Milena Rage Perkone	Posted - 2007.07.26 10:26:00 - [39] Originally by: Alski ok everyone here raise your hand if you program a game with 150k+ subscribers in a mix of stackless phyton and C and run it on on a 180+ node development server that runs 30k concurrent users..... ....nobody?.... THEN STOP THE WHINEING ALLREADY!!!! it'll be fixed when its fixed, they don't cause this stuff deliberateley you know clearly everybody here is whining.
Milena Rage Perkone	Posted - 2007.07.26 10:26:00 - [40] Originally by: Trazec What EVE needs is not 10 MB patches, what EVE needs, in my opinion, is a major engine overhaul. Rumor has it we're getting that sometime soon, and I couldn't be more hyped about that. pffft, I just want prettier animations =p GRAPHICS UPDATE PRZ
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.07.26 10:35:00 - [41] I bet 100 isk CCP employees are glad its soon Friday when they read this thread and that they can get hammered at the pub. Originally by: myself The Amarr templar joke is a joke stupid people can laugh at. Its the joke any dumb person can laugh at.
Shari Vegas Minmatar Ctrl Alt Elites	Posted - 2007.07.26 10:56:00 - [42] I'd be happy if they'd quit releasing new little crappy patches every Tuesday like they have for the past few weeks. Unless it's some big emergency, consolidate the patches a bit.
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.26 11:11:00 - [43] I can understand your frustration but what about all the times that dt finishes early and you are allowed on before the alloted hour? should you pay more because you play more than advertised? GOONIES = OMNIPOTENCE INCARNATE
H'wi Noree Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.07.26 11:15:00 - [44] Originally by: fire 59 I can understand your frustration but what about all the times that dt finishes early and you are allowed on before the alloted hour? should you pay more because you play more than advertised? hahahaha win ^^ _____ I have no sig :(
4rc4ng3L Gallente C R Y O	Posted - 2007.07.26 11:17:00 - [45] Originally by: Flynn Tagart Edited by: Flynn Tagart on 26/07/2007 02:52:31 CCP, This has gone on long enough, there have been to many emergency downtimes and screw ups, I believe We as in everyone who spends MONEY to play this game deserves compensation. Many people have lost skill time or ships or expensive stuff to all this bull crap, and what are you doing to justify this? You guys have a test server, but it might as well be called the Carebear server, where all the carebears go to play waste a quarter hour fitting ships to go shoot at other people. Don't get me wrong on it though, some of the skilled players go on there and kick some carebear arse, like Tank CEO. You guys use the test server if lucky, once a month AS a test server. I demand compensation for the time you have taken away from me and my fellow brethern, the people who play this game along side me, whether it be ISK or SP, or ships or free game time. I love eve because its the only game out there where your free. But with each patch that causes more downtime, more Rabble threads, more "the server is down due to unexpected errors" (which isn't that F'ing hard to figure out, its the patch that you installed before testing thoroughly) My love for eve, dissipates, and its now dissipating on a more rapid level from these weekly unexpected downtimes, the server was perfect in 2006, hardly any downtimes, well right before revelations was installed. I'm tired of this, i only have 22 months left before im on my own, and i dont want it to be with a bunch of downtimed months. I refuse to take my ships out and PVP this past month because of this what appears to be a near daily downtiming, well weekly. A lot of people are tired of it, I've even seen a few people leave over it. And anyone who feels that CCP is working hard at fixing this up good, your wrong, We wouldn't have these downtimes in the first place if CCP would put the patches through thorough testing, they just change the code, and slap it on TQ as if it was a decal on the back of a truck, so don't counter attack this I've gotten everything i wanted to say off my chest, please consider the hard working payers who pay to play this game, as well as the people who put their love into this game. I will stick to EVE for hopefully many years to come, but not if this stuff keeps up. I am Flynn Tagart, President of the Blood Eagle Federation, and Emperor of the Soldiers of the Forgotten Abyss alliance, Hear me roar, and fly safe everyone, and i also hope those who got stuck in lvl 4's/5's didn't lose their ships, if did, hopefully its all freely reimbursed. I stopped reading after the first line... NEXT! Death is the only true freedom, brought on by our own ignorance.... Welcome to the "free" world in which we live...
jamesw Omniscient Order Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.07.26 11:19:00 - [46] M-M-M-M-M-M-MONSTER KILL! -- Latest Vid: Domination!
Sheriff Jones Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.07.26 11:20:00 - [47] Originally by: Flynn Tagart I believe We as in everyone who spends MONEY to play this game deserves compensation. I demand compensation from you for using my good natured persona as part of a Weapon of Mass Whining So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have.
Ex0101 Gallente Hell's Horsemen	Posted - 2007.07.26 11:22:00 - [48] Originally by: Sheriff Jones Originally by: Flynn Tagart I believe We as in everyone who spends MONEY to play this game deserves compensation. I demand compensation from you for using my good natured persona as part of a Weapon of Mass Whining /signed!! --
Arunca	Posted - 2007.07.26 11:31:00 - [49] To OP... Read the licence agreement you agreed to when you started playing. CCP has every right to take the server down at any point with no compensation. Deal with it or stop playing MMOs, they are all the same in this way.
Jacques Danton Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.07.26 11:50:00 - [50] Funny thing about all the brain-fart fanbois in threads like this, coming up stupid one-liner crap come-backs, is that defending a crappy service is actually one of the best ways to alienate people from it. You think that if all the "whiners" f***ed off it would be better, eh? The absense of their "whines" would definitely please you, but the absense of their subscription would mean that CCP will have even less resources to carry on what seems like one of the longest betas of MMORPG games I'm aware of - you can see the beta state even while logging or creating a new character and the server disconnecting you if you cannot manage in under 3mins... Why do you think CCP is trying so hard to get more people into the game, eh? Because they bathe in money already? Unlike the OP I can't even be arsed to count for how many months I live on my own already, am married and pay for everything in my life out of my own bank account. I make a living as a software developer for mainly industry clients and frankly if what I made was that buggy or seemingly patched up in a hurry nobody would bother paying me a dime. In industry nobody gives a wet fart if you are doing your best, the only thing that matters is whether it works and whether it works well enough. Glitches and downtime are simply not acceptable, as downtime directly translates into lost profit and you cannot speak about days of downtime because of fault that can be traced back to you unless you don't mind looking for a new job. Entertainment software has a much different audience as clients, mostly kids that haven't actually done something like this for a living with actual clients and as such are willing to tolerate crap in absurd proportions with the inevitable gang of game fanatics that defend whatever title no matter what. CCP is providing mediocre standard of service, by comparison 15 Euro per month is expensive in terms of MMORPGs and the service quality is hardly meeting the price standard. I don't give a damn if they are doing their best, I care if the service runs smoothly, whether it's good enough, and it isn't - it's that simple. If I paid for a prime quality TV channel to watch the football championship I wouldn't give a rat's ass if they were doing their best if I lost even 1min of a match as, simply, I have paid to be able to watch it without any glitches as it's their problem to prevent such to begin with and there are redundency methods out there to do exactly that, that's part of what I'm paying them for. Nobody gives a damn about excuses, only actual results, unless you deal with nerdy kids of various ages that is. I'd like to see you if your electricity at home was cut at arbitrary hours of the day for no apparent reason and being told that they do their best to fix it anyway, I'd really like to see you saying that it's ok and so on and mainly convincing others that it's ok too You know - you can light a candle and read a book and so on... There is a good reason why EVE is still a niche game, 4 years into continued development afforded by the people optimistic enough to support the people doing it in the hopes that it will get better. That sort of service implies that the game will continue to be a niche game too - not many would agree to blindly support the devs with that level of quality. And since the game is niche it will take a bloody long time, if ever, to see this experimental project through simply because plenty of the "whiners" do leave for something else. There are other ways to spend 180 Euro per year - I've played games for years that didn't require a subscription at all and provided just as much fun for a mere fraction of the overall price of EVE, as basically we pay for having fun - can you get the idea? Most probably not... You will get no better service than what you ask for - you keep implying that crap like this is OK and is perfectly acceptable then you will continue to get plenty more of it, fanbois Good luck co
Larg Kellein Caldari GTE Corp	Posted - 2007.07.26 12:00:00 - [51] Oh, get off your high horse, OP. Leave the horse and your stuff, though. Someone will want both. If you honestly think they push untested patches to live, you're ignorant at best, moronic at worst. A limited test server environment cannot break things the same way as 35K eve starved players all slamming onto the server at the same time. Stuff breaks, deal with it or give me your (broken) stuff. Originally by: Roy Batty68 My software has wronged me!!! And it's immediately "sorry". Well, ok then. I suppose I'm not so upset at my software if it appologizes.
Rethor Badus Gallente Eye Of Horus	Posted - 2007.07.26 12:00:00 - [52] Originally by: Flynn Tagart Originally by: Vincenzo Delloro Edited by: Vincenzo Delloro on 26/07/2007 03:57:53 I work for a multimillion dollar corporation managing services for clients who pay us millions of dollars a year. EDIT: spelling yea, I sometimes have fantasies like that too. Damn its too bad you probly work at some car wash Actually it applies to pretty much any job.... "I work for a multimillion dollar corporation managing services for clients who pay us millions of dollars a year." The tea lady who works for microsoft can hold claim to that brag..... Or the dustbin man who works for a large council who clears out BT's bins.....
Callente Riveara Gallente Raddick Explorations Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.07.26 12:06:00 - [53] Edited by: Callente Riveara on 26/07/2007 12:06:51 Guys, im hungry. I really want a damn bagel, but there arent any here. WHAT SHOULD I DO? And now im ****ed because I have this spot on my shirt, and some meeting to go to soon, and thus with a spotty shirt, I may come across as an unkempt deuche bag! WHAT SHOULD I DO? And Spiderman 3 was a terrrrrible movie. I think im going to dye my hair back, get an EMO haircut, and pop my collar and walk around like a dumb ass to get all teh ladyz in NYC. SHOULD I DO? Whats this thread about? I didnt read anything
Gaven Blands	Posted - 2007.07.26 12:11:00 - [54] Edited by: Gaven Blands on 26/07/2007 12:11:52 Ok Flynn. Chill. Take a deep breath. Understand a little thing. Capitolism's primary drive is to increase profits at any cost. The first casualty of capitolism is usually quality. Because quality costs exponentially. Whereas quantity reaps linearly. So quantity over quality. Separately you purchase, from CCP, a licence to use their software. That licence operates at 100% reliability. While ever it is paid for, you are 100% allowed to use the software. You do not buy the software itself, which is obviously flawed. This is now common practice amongst all copyable media supplies. Music. Video. Software. Because your licence always remains 100% as good as the day you bought it, these outlets are not subject to the sorts of laws that say a car manufacturer have to abide by. ie, you expect the thing to work. Yes it sucks. Yes I agree with you. Yes you need to understand what makes this world mediocre. Accepting your fate will release you from a lot of stress. Unless you are planning a communist or anarchistic armed revolution. In which case, give me a call.
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2007.07.26 12:29:00 - [55] Good day kind sir! I believe both of the links in my signature are of direct relevance to you! I advise you investigate both! Have fine and dandy days! ------------ ULTIMATE LAG SOLUTION \| Forum Whiners - Unite!
Starfury Shang Pod Industries New Eden Entertainment	Posted - 2007.07.26 13:57:00 - [56] Originally by: Flynn Tagart And anyone who feels that CCP is working hard at fixing this up good, your wrong, We wouldn't have these downtimes in the first place if CCP would put the patches through thorough testing, they just change the code, and slap it on TQ as if it was a decal on the back of a truck, so don't counter attack this When was the last time the test server had 5k people on it let alone 25k - 32k. Not everything can be completely tested before its released into the wild. I don't see you moaning about Microsoft Windows and the constant patches they release. Windows XP for example has been out for ~5yrs now and is STILL being patched for things that are broke on it.
Matroshka Crimson Squall Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.26 14:17:00 - [57] Flynn, dude, you need to relax and realize this is a game. You are not forced to play. It is not a necessity like electricity, gas, or water. If you aren't satisfied, just cancel your subscription. You say you have 22 months till you are on your own. Please don't tell me that you are moving out of your parents house and are looking forward to spending all your time on a video game.
Tellenta Gallente White-Noise Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.07.26 14:27:00 - [58] Originally by: An Anarchyyt Originally by: Richard Aiel Originally by: Tobias Sjodin I almost bothered with reading the first line. Would you rather pay for your expansions? If it meant we got a quality, lag/desynch free game, then HELL YES I would rather pay for the expansion. Unfortunatly, one does not have to do with the other. I'll get a graph for you. No need for a graph, all you need is experiance playing an MMO that you do have to pay for expansions. Whenever there is a large patch the downtime is longer, the bugs are significantly worse and game inhibiting, if things went really bad the lag is tremendous and crashes frequent, crashes last longer than eve crashes, and you still dont get compensation. At least thats what i remember from EQ2 days upon days of server up yet posts. Eve is doing just fine in my opinion Your signature image exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie
RossP Zoyka	Posted - 2007.07.26 15:07:00 - [59] Jacques Danton, I can not quote your post because it was too long. You make complete sense, however, you are asking for the impossible. Updates and patches to improve performance can not be implemented on an operating system. Therefore, the system has to be taken down when these are being put in place. These improvements are tested but can not be tested for full game loads. If the loads are too much or something is broken. This is fixed within 24 hours of the initial service patch via an overnight effort. In my opinion, instead of being regarded as horrible service or a horrible product this is an agressive customer service stance, prone to risk, that I personally appreciate. No other software comes out with the same level of patches as quickly as CCP. Other companies are too afraid and obsessively test things because they are afraid of the risk. Me, I appreciate that rather then be paralyzed by a fear of making things worse; CCP instead constantly trys to improve thier game's performance while still adding more depth and creativity to the game on a rutine basis. Anything else would be far too stagnant. Performing change and growing is painful. But I would much rather see CCP trying to do something about (despite the downtimes) rather then see them spend almost a year per patch because they are afraid they will have to keep messing with it. Also, even when companies spend a year testing patches they always screw it up anyway because testing and theory means Jack when it comes to implementation. The real problems come during implementation and no amount of testing ever finds all of them.
Daelorn	Posted - 2007.07.26 16:29:00 - [60] Edited by: Daelorn on 26/07/2007 16:29:11 BTW, Tank CEO is a NOOB and a CAREBEAR
Sakura Nihil Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.07.26 16:50:00 - [61] Um, we just got a new patch a few weeks ago, its called fixing the bugs? No matter how much you do QA beforehand, things happen. The best you can do is lower the number of bugs through the process, and then patch it up afterwards. Heh, you think this one was bad? I seem to recall RMR being a massive pain in the ass for a few days... 50m Sig Contest!
heheheh Singularity. Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.07.26 18:18:00 - [62] Originally by: Flynn Tagart Edited by: Flynn Tagart on 26/07/2007 02:52:31 I demand compensation for the time you have taken away from me and my fellow brethern, the people who play this game along side me, whether it be ISK or SP, or ships or free game time. lol how clueless can you get ?
Marysse Lynn	Posted - 2007.07.26 18:40:00 - [63] I wonder if more people would use the test server for its intended purpose, i.e. testing upcoming patches, if the test server were a little more... useful in that regard? Yay, ships and equipment are dirt cheap there, well seeded, but there's a distinct lack (from what I've seen, correct me if I'm wrong as I'd really like to know) of faction/officer/deadspace equipment seeded (and obviously no contracts). CCP might be able to persuade more people to test stuff if there were some sort of facility for them to actually do so, like some way to instantaneously train skills there so as to be able to test anything that is due for release, regardless of one's tranq existence. Hold on though, maybe that would result in a lot of carebear mission runners migrating full time to sisi, where its safe, then ubering up all their skills and running L4s all day long. Which would give sisi a closer server load to that of tranq now, but probably is not the ideal solution as its an effective shard. But then the PVPers could migrate and uber up and waste them all anyway if they chose, just for kicks. And it'd all reset when the next mirror is made anyway. What was the point of this again? Oh yeah, I like llamas.
FuQue	Posted - 2007.07.26 18:52:00 - [64] I am always astounded at the fan-boys' love for CCP. I happen to wholeheartedly agree with the OP. Quote: Would you rather pay for expansions? Well HELL YES! if it meant the 'expansion' wouldn't bork the server! Quote: you dont own your character CCP does Classic fanboy response. WE PAY to play the game. When we can't - we get a little PO'd. Everyone would in any situation where you aren't getting what you PAID for. Quote: EULA Section 12 NO WARRANTIES Is that LAW? I don't think so... EULA mean nothing. They can, and have, been successfully contested before. You want to spew legaleze at me? Fine, but it's a pointless debate: Consumer Protection Quote: What EVE needs is not 10 MB patches, what EVE needs, in my opinion, is a major engine overhaul. VERY true! thank you. Quote: I can understand your frustration but what about all the times that dt finishes early and you are allowed on before the alloted hour? should you pay more because you play more than advertised? That's idiotic. stfu fanboy. Quote: Funny thing about all the brain-fart fanbois in threads like this, coming up stupid one-liner crap come-backs, is that defending a crappy service is actually one of the best ways to alienate people from it. A logical, well thought out post. thank you. Quote: If you honestly think they push untested patches to live, you're ignorant at best, moronic at worst. A limited test server environment cannot break things the same way as 35K eve starved players all slamming onto the server at the same time. Stuff breaks, deal with it or give me your (broken) stuff I half-agree. They can't test EVERYTHING. But there are utilities out there that will SIMILUTATE everything. They obviously don't use them to their fullest. Quote: Not everything can be completely tested before its released into the wild. Oh but it CAN! And it IS in the real world where I myself work (patient care) where it's VITALLY IMPORTANT to the health and welfare of citizens that EVERYTHING WORKS after a patch. So baiscally, I'm just as sick of fan-boys as all of you are of whiners. Ta-Da!
Mhaerdirne Solveig Minmatar Combustion Industries	Posted - 2007.07.26 18:57:00 - [65] Edited by: Mhaerdirne Solveig on 26/07/2007 18:57:32 Originally by: Flynn Tagart And anyone who feels that CCP is working hard at fixing this up good, your wrong, We wouldn't have these downtimes in the first place if CCP would put the patches through thorough testing, they just change the code, and slap it on TQ as if it was a decal on the back of a truck, so don't counter attack this welcome to part CLXIV of "armchair developers in space" everyone knows that ccp doesn't test their patches in fact they don't even write them, they scrawl prayers in goat blood on the backs of MSDN printouts and nyarlathotep comes and writes the code for them come on get real oh I forgot this Quote: I am Flynn Tagart, President of the Blood Eagle Federation, and Emperor of the Soldiers of the Forgotten Abyss alliance, Hear me roar, and fly safe everyone, and i also hope those who got stuck in lvl 4's/5's didn't lose their ships, if did, hopefully its all freely reimbursed. I am Mhaerdirne Solveig and I smoke dope in space in a cheetah, watch your six 10-4 rabbit ears hammer down hammer down
Sharupak Minmatar Knights Of the Black Sun	Posted - 2007.07.26 19:10:00 - [66] Edited by: Sharupak on 26/07/2007 19:10:06 Where do these people come from? I want your life! lol! The ignorance is bliss life. Dude, a computer is NOT a refrigerator! Stop expecting it to act like one! _______________________________________________ RuntimeError: ChainEvent is blocking by design, but you're block trapped. You have'll have to find some alternative means to do Your Thing, dude.
RossP Zoyka	Posted - 2007.07.26 19:18:00 - [67] Originally by: FuQue Quote: Not everything can be completely tested before its released into the wild. Oh but it CAN! And it IS in the real world where I myself work (patient care) where it's VITALLY IMPORTANT to the health and welfare of citizens that EVERYTHING WORKS after a patch. So baiscally, I'm just as sick of fan-boys as all of you are of whiners. Ta-Da! Unfortunately people still die after "patches". Also, patient care has been in existence far longer then EVE and lets just say it took a lot of trial and error to get to the level of sophisticated care we have now (which is not infallible). Early patient care "patches" were near useless and we are still in dire need of a variety of "bug fixes" that constantly kill people out there. However, I think bereaved families are an excellent motivator for patient care professionals to continue optimizing their work. It would be far less motivatingto the industry if every time someone died in a hospital everyone said "All Well! Hospitals aint perfect!" On that note, while complaints are important, I do not think that they are constructive when they are aimed at the work a company is doing to fix problems. Would you rather them not fix problems? Or magically fix the problems without taking down the server momentarily?
FuQue	Posted - 2007.07.26 20:18:00 - [68] Edited by: FuQue on 26/07/2007 20:17:58 Originally by: RossP Zoyka Unfortunately people still die after "patches". Also, patient care has been in existence far longer then EVE and lets just say it took a lot of trial and error to get to the level of sophisticated care we have now (which is not infallible). Ya, but we're here now - and CCP has the same access to performance testing tools that I do - they just choose not to use them ENOUGH (note: i said enough. don't come back at me with some lame response that I said they don't use them at ALL) Originally by: RossP Zoyka Early patient care "patches" were near useless and we are still in dire need of a variety of "bug fixes" that constantly kill people out there. What? Are you saying that patches are the main cause of death? HUH? I honestly don't know what you mean. Quote: However, I think bereaved families are an excellent motivator for patient care professionals to continue optimizing their work. It would be far less motivatingto the industry if every time someone died in a hospital everyone said "All Well! Hospitals aint perfect!" Wow you really took my example to the extreme. I only meant to say that there are tools out there that I use on a daily basis that CCP seems not to use - otherwise they would KNOW that patch X would equal Lag Y BEFORE being implemented on Tranquility. Quote: On that note, while complaints are important, I do not think that they are constructive when they are aimed at the work a company is doing to fix problems. Would you rather them not fix problems? Or magically fix the problems without taking down the server momentarily? Ya 'cause that's what we're asking for - no problems fixes, and no server downtime. Come back to reality. I am only saying that CCP isn't doing ENOUGH to fully test their server. Stick to the topic please.
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.26 20:26:00 - [69] Originally by: FuQue FuQue rants like an impotent llama proof or stfu Real turtles tank armor. Real men fly Pink. Nerfageddon
FuQue	Posted - 2007.07.26 20:29:00 - [70] Logical, well-thought out respones only, please. Your incessant one-liners only show your lack of intelligence.
JamnOne Amarr	Posted - 2007.07.26 20:30:00 - [71] Originally by: Flynn TagartI demand compensation for the time you have taken away from me.[/quote I demand More Beer as I spilt mine while doing a lvl 4 mission. While your at it - Pizza and wings as well. The beer made one heck of a mess. Sorry - just had to throw in my 2 cents.
tarisai hsaun Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.26 20:32:00 - [72] man, if you don't like it then don't pay. simple. it might come as a shock to you, but this is a game you don't have to play. it is not an obligation. you agreed to the EULA. you paid. your choice. assumptions that CCP are not pulling their weight are stupid. assumptions that you know better than CCP on how they should go about their business are stupid. this is thier job AND their passion. they are doing an awesome job, especially considering the minefield of negativity they get from players they make the game for. like you me and everyone we know. give them a break and get a grip.
darklegionca Caldari Blood Eagle Federation Soldiers of the Forgotten Abyss	Posted - 2007.07.26 21:16:00 - [73] So how much is ccp paying all of you to say this crap you guys really needs some lifes you all whine and cry when the server is down i counted like 20 threads about the server being down yesterday and then when our ceo states the facts you come down on him you guys really need to grow up ------------------------------------ darklegionca - One name. One legend.
The Pointless Gallente Plastic Toys	Posted - 2007.07.26 21:23:00 - [74] Originally by: tarisai hsaun man, if you don't like it then don't pay. simple. it might come as a shock to you, but this is a game you don't have to play. it is not an obligation. you agreed to the EULA. you paid. your choice. assumptions that CCP are not pulling their weight are stupid. assumptions that you know better than CCP on how they should go about their business are stupid. this is thier job AND their passion. they are doing an awesome job, especially considering the minefield of negativity they get from players they make the game for. like you me and everyone we know. give them a break and get a grip. BANG! On target! Could not have put it better myself. (Especially since the best I could come up with is some semi-long-winded point about how our everyday lives take EVE time away from us) ----------------------------------------------- "Breaking News! The Pointless hates GIFs!"
000Hunter000 Gallente Magners Marauders	Posted - 2007.07.26 21:25:00 - [75] Hm, should have added this one to my 'curious about allowing whining' thread CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!! Magners is now recruiting, evemail me or Dagazbo ingame.
Matroshka Crimson Squall Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.26 21:26:00 - [76] Originally by: darklegionca So how much is ccp paying all of you to say this crap you guys really needs some lifes you all whine and cry when the server is down i counted like 20 threads about the server being down yesterday and then when our ceo states the facts you come down on him you guys really need to grow up I don't care what he thinks the facts are. If he isn't happy, he needs to go find a new game. This post, and his attitude, isn't gonna change anything.
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.07.26 21:50:00 - [77] FuQue, you're quite right. Too many fanbois sometimes. This service is borderline unplayable, wrought with bugs and full of potential that continues to FAIL to be realized. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2007.07.26 22:06:00 - [78] Originally by: Flynn Tagart ... I'm tired of this, i only have 22 months left before im on my own, ... HUH? wtf does this mean? SKUNJK Originally by: Fink Angel They acted like Mr. Creasote at the all you can eat buffet, and CCP provided the Wafer Theeen Mint.
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2007.07.26 22:08:00 - [79] Originally by: Matroshka Originally by: darklegionca So how much is ccp paying all of you to say this crap you guys really needs some lifes you all whine and cry when the server is down i counted like 20 threads about the server being down yesterday and then when our ceo states the facts you come down on him you guys really need to grow up I don't care what he thinks the facts are. If he isn't happy, he needs to go find a new game. This post, and his attitude, isn't gonna change anything. This sort of attitude stinks. Its like if you have a problem with the country you live in. Say the heath service. So you complain about it and lobby for it to be improved. Some spittle spraying jerk politician swoops in and yells in your mug "IF YA DONT LIKE IT - MOVE COUNTRY" No he shouldnt move game. Hes invested time and money in his character. The games broke in many places and he demands it is fixed. SKUNK Originally by: Fink Angel They acted like Mr. Creasote at the all you can eat buffet, and CCP provided the Wafer Theeen Mint.
The RepoMan Caldari Red Horizon Inc Red Horizon	Posted - 2007.07.26 22:09:00 - [80] I too demand compensation. For the time lost reading idiotic posts such as this. This is time I will never get back. I demand compensation, wether it be in the form of isk, ships, or promising never to post this drivel again.
Franga Caldari NQX Innovations Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.26 22:12:00 - [81] Originally by: Philanthus Did you have some epic John Williams like tune playing in your head when you wrote this? HAHAHAHAHAHA! Your sarcasm, sir, is to be envied. _____________________________ Eldo spanked my sig but I can't be bothered changing it just now.
Franga Caldari NQX Innovations Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.26 22:13:00 - [82] Originally by: Daelorn Edited by: Daelorn on 26/07/2007 16:29:11 BTW, Tank CEO is a NOOB and a CAREBEAR Does TankCEO still play? _____________________________ Eldo spanked my sig but I can't be bothered changing it just now.
Starfury Shang Pod Industries New Eden Entertainment	Posted - 2007.07.27 07:09:00 - [83] Originally by: tarisai hsaun man, if you don't like it then don't pay. simple. it might come as a shock to you, but this is a game you don't have to play. it is not an obligation. Woah there a sec... so you are telling me that I don't "have" to play Eve? I could have sworn the EULA (that I read after I accepted it - doh!) said that I had to play for 8hrs a day, everyday for the rest of my natural life and that I wasn't allowed to look at another game or they would send the devs round to break my computer.
zibelthurdos Archron Dusyfe Industries Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.27 11:46:00 - [84] Originally by: Starfury Shang Woah there a sec... so you are telling me that I don't "have" to play Eve? I could have sworn the EULA (that I read after I accepted it - doh!) said that I had to play for 8hrs a day, everyday for the rest of my natural life and that I wasn't allowed to look at another game or they would send the devs round to break my computer. how do you stop at 8? ----------------------------------------------- I have come here to chew bubble gum and kick ass, and I'm all out of bubble gum"
Moncada Amarr Fusion Enterprises Ltd Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2007.07.27 12:00:00 - [85] theese whine rants are getting a tad bit silly. Is jade constantwhine back on the forums or what the heck!? Montada Cardinal Maledictus Sanguine
Zorger Black Knight Buccaneers Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.27 14:34:00 - [86] Originally by: FuQue Quote: Not everything can be completely tested before its released into the wild. Oh but it CAN! And it IS in the real world where I myself work (patient care) where it's VITALLY IMPORTANT to the health and welfare of citizens that EVERYTHING WORKS after a patch. OMG, i laughed very hard :D you make my day. thx! Programmer.
RossP Zoyka	Posted - 2007.07.27 14:41:00 - [87] Originally by: FuQue Edited by: FuQue on 26/07/2007 20:17:58 Ya 'cause that's what we're asking for - no problems fixes, and no server downtime. Come back to reality. I am only saying that CCP isn't doing ENOUGH to fully test their server. Stick to the topic please. What does "enough" consist of? Their is no perfect test, only a few "tests" to make sure it is technically usable, a "theory" of why it should work this way. Then we implement and WHAM reality hits. If they were unable to fix the almost inevitable bugs in a decent amount of time after each patch then I would be **ed. Fixing bugs and implementing a patch that runs well after several days of live testing and re-patching is what I consider "realistic" expectation. I am not "thrilled" or "amazed" by the service, but I am pleased that a game of this complexity continues to function and that they are constantly attempting to improve it. Even despite the knowledge that some people will have mis-placed expectations of perfection without effort. Technically (if you determine performance solely based on bugs and lag), the game was broken, is still broken, and will perpetually be broken. CCP has to work to reduce these problems when possible but as the game becomes more complex a complete fix becomes more and more impossible. Subjectively I think this game is incredible. I judge based on creativity, community, and immersive ability. The game is online and able to be played enough for me to satisfy my "fix" and, to be honest, impresses me enough with its ability to entertain, its unique nature, and unbelievable complexity that I am willing to say that EVE is one of the greatest works of art the world has seen in the 21st century. No ***** joke.

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