Originally by: Endeva

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Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn

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... The problem of Bob is they never experience a figth vs full pvp alliances.

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so you want to say here that all those fights before vs iron/g d2 ermm dont know all the names but there are lots of other good pvp allaince. i liked g:P before and their fleet of tempests.p - that they are all carebers and now we met truly PVP oriented allince know as TCF

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Originally by: Ki An

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No alliance can sustain a war when you lose 5-10 ships for every enemy you take down. Sooner or later you either have to improve that ratio, or you will go bankrupt.

/Ki

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Originally by: PirateShampoo

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It's clear James is getting his info from COAD. As anyone in LV knew, there was no way that LV was running out of ISK. Some where poor but the alliance cash wise was fine.

What broke LV's morale was a single event which is well published. JV1V taught us that a war against RSF was impossible. The numbers goons where able to field and the skill and planning of Red/TCF made the war difficult from the start to the end.

I doubt there are many alliances who can maintain their morale while your entire PVP force is looking at a character loading screen for 5 hours solid, unable to do anything while your Titan is destroyed and your capital system taken.

Sure RSF had a large hand in our death, however I think you will find that the majority of LV blame CCP and not RSF for their loss of morale and subsequent disbanding.

I am of course just a grunt, and these opinions may not represent everyone in LV. But I can tell you it certainly represents the feelings of my LV friends.

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Originally by: Ki An

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Originally by: NATMav

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But FIX is still alive.

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I know you're trying to flame, but you should find another angle. Sure, our k/d ratio is nowhere near BoB's, but it's leagues better than the goons'.

/Ki

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Originally by: PirateShampoo

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Edited by: PirateShampoo on 26/07/2007 23:06:35
Edited by: PirateShampoo on 26/07/2007 22:46:43
Edited by: PirateShampoo on 26/07/2007 22:45:50

Originally by: NATMav

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Originally by: PirateShampoo

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It's clear James is getting his info from COAD. As anyone in LV knew, there was no way that LV was running out of ISK. Some where poor but the alliance cash wise was fine.

What broke LV's morale was a single event which is well published. JV1V taught us that a war against RSF was impossible. The numbers goons where able to field and the skill and planning of Red/TCF made the war difficult from the start to the end.

I doubt there are many alliances who can maintain their morale while your entire PVP force is looking at a character loading screen for 5 hours solid, unable to do anything while your Titan is destroyed and your capital system taken.

Sure RSF had a large hand in our death, however I think you will find that the majority of LV blame CCP and not RSF for their loss of morale and subsequent disbanding.

I am of course just a grunt, and these opinions may not represent everyone in LV. But I can tell you it certainly represents the feelings of my LV friends.

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So, you blame CCP for the swift collapse of LV. I got news for you...you're fighting the same foes and last I checked CCP still operates the servers, so what makes you think this will be any different this time around? What makes you think that the same pilots that lost the will to fight after one event will not run at the first sign of failure by BoB?

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Last I checked we are fighting Razor, MM, Tri, Hydra and lots of other smaller alliances. I certainly have alot of respect for MM, Tri and to a degree razor.

I would not bet on any outcome at this stage, but I find it unlikely that JV1V will ever happen again for the following reasons:

CCP did learn from JV1V, this was seen in F-T, we also learnt from J1V1 we won't be holing up in a dead end system to protect it again and finally while our opponents are very worthy they don't blob the same way goons do (I like to think this is because the alliances we are now fighting are far more honorable and respect worthy then the goons (not talking about RED/TCF as they in a entirely different class these days).

Edit: In addition our foes share the timezone, I can't tell you what a boon this is. It's very difficult fighting wars with different timezones, as there is little action. The hostile just attack your systems in their timezone and you spend your time repping poses in your timezone, which as many people will attest sucks. Win or Lose I prefer to actually have a battle and still be able to get up for work the next morning.

Of course these discussions are fairly pointless. Time as always will tell, as much any many people can pretend to predict the future or outcome of any battle or war it is and always has been so much horse***.

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