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Lady Natacha Minmatar Water and Power	Posted - 2007.07.26 17:17:00 - [1] Edited by: Lady Natacha on 26/07/2007 17:21:59 With all due respect to the many players who have written very good and detailed "manuals" for certain specific aspects of EVE, there really needs to be a SINGLE repository for this information. Quite honestly, searching the forums is almost fruitless anymore, and the amount of completely contradictory information (when you can actually find any), is appalling. There are so many DEV blogs where a little bit of this, and a little bit of that are released, but how can a person possibly digest and comprehend such fragmented information? How would a new player even know they are expected to comb the forum for information scraps? For those who would say that CCP should focus on the bugs, I am in complete 100% agreement, however, we are regularly reminded by CCP and their fanbois alike that the people who are responsible for "content" are completely separate from those who fix bugs and etc.. Is not documentation a part of the content dept's responsibility? If not, whose job is it? I don't want this to come off like a rant, but spending hours out of game trying to obtain and assemble concise and accurate information is completely unnecessary and counter-productive, and the fact that the GM's don't seem to have answers to specific questions about the game after waiting for 3+ weeks for a petition response, makes the lack of documentation even more infuriating. Where is the EVE Wiki documentation we were promised? It would be very nice to have an update on this. I can't find a link to the Dev post that mentioned it, but I am thinking this was promised sometime last year (summer) about the time the Dragon code was released. Maybe one of the other whorum fores here can enlighten me as to the location of the post that mentions it. P.S. When attempting to locate the DEV post here on the forums that talked about the player-interactive wiki documentation being forthcoming, I only managed to find 10 pages of posts going back to 2003 begging CCP for real documentation. Cats do play EVE. Where did you think player names like asdfghjj came from?
Alatari Winterdawn	Posted - 2007.07.26 17:27:00 - [2] The Knowledgebase has a significant amount of information. There are also a number of external EVE Wiki's, such as EVE Wiki. -- You can't do that with a Planet.
Lady Natacha Minmatar Water and Power	Posted - 2007.07.26 17:31:00 - [3] Edited by: Lady Natacha on 26/07/2007 17:32:22 Originally by: Alatari The Knowledgebase has a significant amount of information. There are also a number of external EVE Wiki's, such as EVE Wiki. I am well aware of these, thank you. This thread is about the official CCP-created documentation wiki that was promised however, and not about "unofficial" outside sources of information. Also, the EVE knowledgebase is just a tad dated, and is far from complete.
Captain Powers	Posted - 2007.07.26 17:31:00 - [4] But EVE is supposed to be dark, unknown universe where you have to turn to the player chat channels or corps for answers. CCP had to spend hard earned money on create a limited forum where they can at least thread lock issues that are valid over adding support to do searches. Or where fanbots complain you are posting something against CCP and you wrote it using more then one sentence. Well, only company that has an MMO that is doing what you asking is LoTRO when they started lorebook.lotro.com I gotta say, it books the public wiki away. CCP actually try to step up to the bar and do it, nahhhhhhh. They can't find the key for the lock on the fridge holding the beer. Oops, this thread is locked since it takes more then one sentence, drats.... [recording from CCP meeting, we just locked another thread, ok devs, hit the Amarrs with another nerf bat strike and content guys, post how we fixed the servers by improving response since no one wants to play Amarrs, yeah, that's the ticket...]
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.07.26 17:34:00 - [5] I also wonder about this. They put up that request to hire a wiki editer, but wtf is he doing? The fan created wiki is insufficient. It needs a well managed data dump from the game, and it needs a lot more work. Work I'm not going to do. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Cypherous Minmatar Liberty Rogues Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.26 17:42:00 - [6] Originally by: Frug I also wonder about this. They put up that request to hire a wiki editer, but wtf is he doing? The fan created wiki is insufficient. It needs a well managed data dump from the game, and it needs a lot more work. Work I'm not going to do. IIRC that was for an internal wiki for the dev's but he may also do a public one i'm not sure :) --------- Liberty Rogues Website
heheheh Singularity. Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.07.26 17:45:00 - [7] Im glad we dont get told how to do everything. Wheres the fun in that ?
Vasant	Posted - 2007.07.26 18:43:00 - [8] Well considering you can ask 3 different GM's the same question and receive 3 entirely different answers... Who would you get to write the wiki and whats the likely hood of it being correct? There was a station a while back called "GM's don't know much about this game", which is pretty much the truth. If you're desperate for information try scrapheap challenge or eve-search.com (which mirrors this forum but actually allows a search)
Lady Natacha Minmatar Water and Power	Posted - 2007.07.26 18:53:00 - [9] Originally by: Vasant Well considering you can ask 3 different GM's the same question and receive 3 entirely different answers... Who would you get to write the wiki and whats the likely hood of it being correct? It was proposed IIRC that CCP would create it, edit, manage and police it, but the players would contribute, filling in the blanks where necessary. 3rd party "sources" of information are not official, and often contain information that is patently incorrect or is out of date. CCP also does not instruct new players that they need to look to 3rd parties for missing information anywhere during the tutorial, or in the FAQ or in the Customer Support Knowledge base. The fact that there is so much fragmented information scattered all about is precisely the problem. Again, I am not asking for where outside of CCP I can obtain information, I am asking where CCP's official wiki is that was promised.
An Anarchyyt Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.07.26 19:24:00 - [10] Edited by: An Anarchyyt on 26/07/2007 19:24:46 Forget it.

Lady Natacha Minmatar Water and Power	Posted - 2007.07.27 15:16:00 - [11] Anybody with gold bars like to comment on this?
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2007.07.27 15:27:00 - [12] Interesting question, but were the boxes on either side of your post really needed? ------------ ULTIMATE LAG SOLUTION \| Forum Whiners - Unite!
Ogul Caldari ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.07.27 15:28:00 - [13] Originally by: Vasant Well considering you can ask 3 different GM's the same question and receive 3 entirely different answers... Who would you get to write the wiki and whats the likely hood of it being correct? Yes, they would obviously need to hire someone who actually knows how the game works first. --- This is a war declaration, issued from your alt corp. It is used to gank people in high sec.
Manaswa Minmatar Project F3	Posted - 2007.07.27 15:39:00 - [14] Unlike games where winning and losing is determined by your level or the number of purplez Eve is a game in which knowledge play a big factor in the outcome of many battles. I like the fact that the game is so dense and that information is difficult to find. I like the fact that what separates me from a noob is not just my modules or my skill points but the fact that I know how to keep their transversal down and I know how to orbit out of now/web range. I don't want the equivalent of Alakhazam where everyone and their mother can defeat a mission the first time because they know exactly what to expect. I want complicated things to stay complicated and I want to figure stuff out by researching it and by trying things out in game. I understand that is just my opinion though and there are plenty of people who'll want a wiki so they alt tab whenever they are faced with something new or unexpected. =/
Aindrias Amarr Labteck Corporation LTD. Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2007.07.27 15:52:00 - [15] It's over here -------------->

CCP Wrangler	Posted - 2007.07.27 16:02:00 - [16] We have a person working on a wiki type system, there's no ETA on when it will be ready though. Wrangler Community Manager EVE Online Contact Support - Contact Moderators - Report Bug - Submit News Leads - Knowledge Base Player Guide - Policies - Join ISD - Fan Submissions - DevFinder LiteÖ

Lady Natacha Minmatar Water and Power	Posted - 2007.07.27 16:02:00 - [17] Originally by: Manaswa Unlike games where winning and losing is determined by your level or the number of purplez Eve is a game in which knowledge play a big factor in the outcome of many battles. I like the fact that the game is so dense and that information is difficult to find. I like the fact that what separates me from a noob is not just my modules or my skill points but the fact that I know how to keep their transversal down and I know how to orbit out of now/web range. I don't want the equivalent of Alakhazam where everyone and their mother can defeat a mission the first time because they know exactly what to expect. I want complicated things to stay complicated and I want to figure stuff out by researching it and by trying things out in game. I understand that is just my opinion though and there are plenty of people who'll want a wiki so they alt tab whenever they are faced with something new or unexpected. =/ This is not about providing "walkthrough" docs, but for instance, invention, what you need, how it works and etc.. Whenever new features are added to the game we are expected to wade through 10+ dev blog posts to glean enough information to "guess". If you go to the starbase forum you will see people asking almost daily what the rules are for setting up a POS in high sec, and if they can moon mine in a .4 and etc. This is the kind of stuff that is not documented (except by players), and needs to be. Getting the information 3rd hand from players is especially troublesome, because half the time the information is patently FALSE and based only on rumor or supposition. Many people I have encouraged to play EVE have quit simply because they want to play, and not have to sift through 100's of forum posts and locate half a dozen 3rd party websites just to get the answer to a simple question about game mechanics.
Lady Natacha Minmatar Water and Power	Posted - 2007.07.27 16:03:00 - [18] Originally by: CCP Wrangler We have a person working on a wiki type system, there's no ETA on when it will be ready though. Thanks! So someone has been working on this for a year already?

CCP kieron	Posted - 2007.07.27 16:04:00 - [19] We are bringing in a new Dev to handle coding of the EVE Wiki and will also have staff assist with the moderation of the wiki. Players will be able to update and edit the wiki, but there will be developer oversight and review to ensure information accuracy and prevent incidents of mischief. The underlying work should begin in the near future. kieron Director of Community Relations, EVE Online EVE Online, CCP Games Email/Netfang Look Ma, I'm in a Dev thread! Oh wait...

Lady Natacha Minmatar Water and Power	Posted - 2007.07.27 16:08:00 - [20] Originally by: CCP Wrangler We have a person working on a wiki type system, there's no ETA on when it will be ready though. Originally by: CCP kieron We are bringing in a new Dev to handle coding of the EVE Wiki and will also have staff assist with the moderation of the wiki. Players will be able to update and edit the wiki, but there will be developer oversight and review to ensure information accuracy and prevent incidents of mischief. The underlying work should begin in the near future. So which is it, you already have someone working on this, or are going to have someone SoonÖ?

Winterblink Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.27 16:10:00 - [21] Originally by: Lady Natacha Originally by: CCP Wrangler We have a person working on a wiki type system, there's no ETA on when it will be ready though. Originally by: CCP kieron We are bringing in a new Dev to handle coding of the EVE Wiki and will also have staff assist with the moderation of the wiki. Players will be able to update and edit the wiki, but there will be developer oversight and review to ensure information accuracy and prevent incidents of mischief. The underlying work should begin in the near future. So which is it, you already have someone working on this, or are going to have someone SoonÖ? To the dev currently working on the Wiki: SURPRISE! warp drive active \| nature vraie
Tsanse Kinske WeMeanYouKnowHarm	Posted - 2007.07.27 16:30:00 - [22] Edited by: Tsanse Kinske on 27/07/2007 16:30:36 Originally by: Winterblink To the dev currently working on the Wiki: SURPRISE! Best laugh I've had from these forums in a while. * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. -Douglas Adams, writing about EVE
Sathamarid	Posted - 2007.07.27 17:11:00 - [23] Coding a wiki? That should take about a day or $500 whichever is greater :) There are so many pieces of good wiki software out there that coding a wiki is just funny. I laugh. Hah.
Nick Curso Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.27 17:13:00 - [24] Originally by: Winterblink Originally by: Lady Natacha Originally by: CCP Wrangler We have a person working on a wiki type system, there's no ETA on when it will be ready though. Originally by: CCP kieron We are bringing in a new Dev to handle coding of the EVE Wiki and will also have staff assist with the moderation of the wiki. Players will be able to update and edit the wiki, but there will be developer oversight and review to ensure information accuracy and prevent incidents of mischief. The underlying work should begin in the near future. So which is it, you already have someone working on this, or are going to have someone SoonÖ? To the dev currently working on the Wiki: SURPRISE! hahaha
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.27 17:14:00 - [25] I reckon that it's the new Emperor who's been designing the new wiki, in between designing mobile refineries and creating planetary flight. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Lady Natacha Minmatar Water and Power	Posted - 2007.07.27 17:29:00 - [26] Originally by: Winterblink Originally by: Lady Natacha Originally by: CCP Wrangler We have a person working on a wiki type system, there's no ETA on when it will be ready though. Originally by: CCP kieron We are bringing in a new Dev to handle coding of the EVE Wiki and will also have staff assist with the moderation of the wiki. Players will be able to update and edit the wiki, but there will be developer oversight and review to ensure information accuracy and prevent incidents of mischief. The underlying work should begin in the near future. So which is it, you already have someone working on this, or are going to have someone SoonÖ? To the dev currently working on the Wiki: SURPRISE! That is pure gold right there. /thread
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2007.07.27 17:42:00 - [27] Edited by: Kazuo Ishiguro on 27/07/2007 17:44:32 Best laugh I've had for a while on these boards... Actually, there is a possible explanation for these apparently contradictory answers. Perhaps they've got one dev already writing lots of material, and they're bringing in the new one to create the wiki they're going to display it in? ------ Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant tanking
Kimiko Kurosawa The Krugerrand Groupies	Posted - 2007.07.27 18:25:00 - [28] Edited by: Kimiko Kurosawa on 27/07/2007 18:26:14 Originally by: CCP kieron ...prevent incidents of mischief... Awwww... party ****er p00p is filtered??
Richard Aiel Caldari MicroFunks	Posted - 2007.07.27 18:58:00 - [29] Originally by: CCP Wrangler We have a person working on a wiki type system, there's no ETA on when it will be ready though. Originally by: CCP kieron We are bringing in a new Dev to handle coding of the EVE Wiki and will also have staff assist with the moderation of the wiki. Players will be able to update and edit the wiki, but there will be developer oversight and review to ensure information accuracy and prevent incidents of mischief. The underlying work should begin in the near future. "When its done" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.. We have never, nor will we ever, hack, ddos, or otherwise use OUT OF GAME means to gain ANY advantage.- Dianabolic
Juwi Kotch Gallente VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.27 19:09:00 - [30] Originally by: CCP kieron We are bringing in a new Dev to handle coding of the EVE Wiki and will also have staff assist with the moderation of the wiki. Players will be able to update and edit the wiki, but there will be developer oversight and review to ensure information accuracy and prevent incidents of mischief. The underlying work should begin in the near future. Coding a Wiki? You know what a Wiki is? Juwi Kotch JOIN NOW, KLICK SIG!



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