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largewhereitcounts	Posted - 2007.07.28 21:48:00 - [1] ############################# ############################# _____CCP has made the POS invulnerable even to wars because CONCORD saves them. After all you need such high standings and even permission from the faction to place it there. So it acts a lot like the faction's station. There is no issue with this. ############################# ############################# _____Why don't more people run these for the public. They could have a really low tax set. A market and all the various forms of services. Here by the players own doing such things that are currently impossible could be done. Things like trade embargos simply by trading in this elite station. Also if this become popular enough and was 1 jump from Jita I am sure some Jita people would move here. ############################# ############################# _____Manufacturing, refining, and the various forms of research could be done here as well for a relatively small fee. I won't advise people on how this can be done best but I would make manufacturing almost as cheap as NPC stations but slightly higher if the manufacturing time reduction add ons are part of the station. More expensive for material and time efficiency research especially material because slots are more full for material research. Keeping costs relative to but not necessarily competitive with the various research alliances since this is almost fully public and does not take the Scientific Networking skill to use. ############################# ############################# _____I am not sure if people with higher standings towards corp or player would get the same tax reduction like with NPC standings at NPC stations. If they do then people could do things for the owners and have standings get elevated because of that. I am also not sure what happens with trading if the station is offlined and all the items inside if the owner unanchors providing possibly the biggest reason why this could never work for the public. I know research jobs stop but are not cancelled if a station goes offline. ############################# ############################# _____The POS owner would only need the startup capital to start this. If his prices are more competitive with NPC prices whether it is because of the reduced time for research or simply because of the overall convenience he would have users. Please no flames and give me good replies, if there is some reason none of this can be done at all then please reply in a constructive manner. _____When you quote my post please edit out this part ############################# and any paragraph you are not directly quoting ############################# as well as the /black tags, ############################# makes it easier for everyone to read ############################# thank you.
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.28 21:55:00 - [2] there are plenty of people who run public services, but the simpel fact is its expensive to run them Real turtles tank armor. Real men fly Pink. Nerfageddon
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.07.28 21:55:00 - [3] I dont read pink. --- Originally by: CCP Wrangler You're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, thats what hello kitty online is for.
largewhereitcounts	Posted - 2007.07.28 21:56:00 - [4] Originally by: Tortun Nahme there are plenty of people who run public services, but the simpel fact is its expensive to run them If this is fully possible and the only problem is the POS owners reputation then this is something I will definitely do in the future.
Lady Natacha Minmatar Water and Power	Posted - 2007.07.28 21:59:00 - [5] Originally by: largewhereitcounts CCP has made the POS invulnerable even to wars because CONCORD saves them. This is patently false, if your corp or alliance gets war dec'd then any high sec POS is at risk too, and considering that many of the POS defense modules are bugged currently, taking down a high sec POS is more possible than ever. Cats do play EVE. Where did you think player names like asdfghjj came from?
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.28 22:00:00 - [6] Edited by: Tortun Nahme on 28/07/2007 22:00:46 Originally by: Lady Natacha Originally by: largewhereitcounts CCP has made the POS invulnerable even to wars because CONCORD saves them. This is patently false, if your corp or alliance gets war dec'd then any high sec POS is at risk too, and considering that many of the POS defense modules are bugged currently, taking down a high sec POS is more possible than ever. ATM no, it isn't provided your guns are offline, pos's are bugged, even wardecc'd they cannot be fired on without concord getting involved edit: the only exception is if the turrets fire first Real turtles tank armor. Real men fly Pink. Nerfageddon
Lady Natacha Minmatar Water and Power	Posted - 2007.07.28 22:20:00 - [7] Originally by: Tortun Nahme Edited by: Tortun Nahme on 28/07/2007 22:00:46 Originally by: Lady Natacha Originally by: largewhereitcounts CCP has made the POS invulnerable even to wars because CONCORD saves them. This is patently false, if your corp or alliance gets war dec'd then any high sec POS is at risk too, and considering that many of the POS defense modules are bugged currently, taking down a high sec POS is more possible than ever. ATM no, it isn't provided your guns are offline, pos's are bugged, even wardecc'd they cannot be fired on without concord getting involved edit: the only exception is if the turrets fire first Orly? Quote: Attacking the starbase of a war target in high security space would occasionally result in a global criminal flag. This no longer occurs. http://myeve.eve-online.com/updates/patchnotes.asp?patchlogID=132 Cats do play EVE. Where did you think player names like asdfghjj came from?
Arushia Nova Labs Empire Research	Posted - 2007.07.28 22:34:00 - [8] Edited by: Arushia on 28/07/2007 22:41:17 You seem to be confusing POSes and stations. POSes cannot have markets, and cost fuel to maintain. It is impossible for anyone not in the owning corp to use POS manufacturing, copy, or invention slots. It is impossible for anyone not in the owning corp's alliance to use its ME or PE slots. If you wish to rent out ME or PE slots, you can join my alliance to use ours. Follow the link in my sig, or visit http://empireresearch.org in-game. Tired of Waiting? Use Empire Research
largewhereitcounts	Posted - 2007.07.28 22:40:00 - [9] Originally by: Arushia You seem to be confusing POSes and stations. POSes cannot have markets, and cost fuel to maintain. It is impossible for anyone not in the owning corp to use POS manufacturing, copy, or invention slots. If you wish to rent out ME or PE slots, you can join my alliance to use ours. Follow the link in my sig, or visit http://empireresearch.org in-game. Ah so my idea can only work in 0.0 where Outposts can be setup. Well I will put this into features and ideas then for sure.
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.28 22:48:00 - [10] Originally by: Lady Natacha Originally by: Tortun Nahme Edited by: Tortun Nahme on 28/07/2007 22:00:46 Originally by: Lady Natacha Originally by: largewhereitcounts CCP has made the POS invulnerable even to wars because CONCORD saves them. This is patently false, if your corp or alliance gets war dec'd then any high sec POS is at risk too, and considering that many of the POS defense modules are bugged currently, taking down a high sec POS is more possible than ever. ATM no, it isn't provided your guns are offline, pos's are bugged, even wardecc'd they cannot be fired on without concord getting involved edit: the only exception is if the turrets fire first Orly? Quote: Attacking the starbase of a war target in high security space would occasionally result in a global criminal flag. This no longer occurs. http://myeve.eve-online.com/updates/patchnotes.asp?patchlogID=132 I know what the patchnotes say, but last I heard it was still broken, if you have tried it since and know for a fact speak up Real turtles tank armor. Real men fly Pink. Nerfageddon
Lady Natacha Minmatar Water and Power	Posted - 2007.07.28 23:02:00 - [11] Edited by: Lady Natacha on 28/07/2007 23:04:47 Originally by: Tortun Nahme Originally by: Lady Natacha Originally by: Tortun Nahme Edited by: Tortun Nahme on 28/07/2007 22:00:46 Originally by: Lady Natacha Originally by: largewhereitcounts CCP has made the POS invulnerable even to wars because CONCORD saves them. This is patently false, if your corp or alliance gets war dec'd then any high sec POS is at risk too, and considering that many of the POS defense modules are bugged currently, taking down a high sec POS is more possible than ever. ATM no, it isn't provided your guns are offline, pos's are bugged, even wardecc'd they cannot be fired on without concord getting involved edit: the only exception is if the turrets fire first Orly? Quote: Attacking the starbase of a war target in high security space would occasionally result in a global criminal flag. This no longer occurs. http://myeve.eve-online.com/updates/patchnotes.asp?patchlogID=132 I know what the patchnotes say, but last I heard it was still broken, if you have tried it since and know for a fact speak up b..b..but, CCP wouldn't lie to us would they? I have not in fact tested this myself as an agressor, but, if it is still broken, then I would imagine that reimbursement petitions would be quite large since it says it is fixed when it is not. Have you tried this as an agressor? And how would CCP exactly handle that petition? When concord was supposed to protect your POS and didn't the GM's swooped-in and repaired it. If you are supposed to be able to attack a war-target's POS and you get popped by concord, would it not be balanced to ~~ask~~ INSIST the GM to knock the POS shields down a bit in addition to replacing your ship(s) and ALL fittings? I guess only the DEVs know for sure, but if it's on the patch notes page as fixed, and is not on the known issues page, I stand by my original statement unless you have some linky(s) to share. Cats do play EVE. Where did you think player names like asdfghjj came from?
PathetiQ Gallente The Rat Pack	Posted - 2007.07.28 23:03:00 - [12] Originally by: Jim McGregor I dont read pink. neither i!
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.28 23:06:00 - [13] I havent tried ti personally so I don't know, but if it is fixed i should probably turn my guns back on lol Real turtles tank armor. Real men fly Pink. Nerfageddon
Lady Natacha Minmatar Water and Power	Posted - 2007.07.28 23:12:00 - [14] Originally by: Tortun Nahme i should probably turn my guns back on lol Cats do play EVE. Where did you think player names like asdfghjj came from?
Mashie Saldana Hooligans Of War	Posted - 2007.07.28 23:24:00 - [15] Edited by: Mashie Saldana on 28/07/2007 23:25:33 Originally by: Tortun Nahme I know what the patchnotes say, but last I heard it was still broken, if you have tried it since and know for a fact speak up I can confirm that with a wardec you can shoot at an enemy POS woithout Concord showing up. This was fixed in early June and cost me a lot of mobile labs in an offlined POS that got attacked while I was on holiday. We're sorry, something happened.
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2007.07.28 23:39:00 - [16] Originally by: Tortun Nahme Edited by: Tortun Nahme on 28/07/2007 22:00:46 Originally by: Lady Natacha Originally by: largewhereitcounts CCP has made the POS invulnerable even to wars because CONCORD saves them. This is patently false, if your corp or alliance gets war dec'd then any high sec POS is at risk too, and considering that many of the POS defense modules are bugged currently, taking down a high sec POS is more possible than ever. ATM no, it isn't provided your guns are offline, pos's are bugged, even wardecc'd they cannot be fired on without concord getting involved edit: the only exception is if the turrets fire first Ours was taken down without any problems, on their end that is. On our end we couldn't dismantle the POS due to things being stuck places, couldn't anchor guns and on top of that the fuel depot vanished and re-appeared in my personal hangar some 40 jumps away, it being odd for so many reasons. The main one being it wasn't me in charge of the fuel to begin with so how did it find me across corporations and all? But yes, high sec POS' are quite vulnerable unless something changed in the latest patch. Also Known As
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.28 23:41:00 - [17] right, excuse me while I go online some guns... Real turtles tank armor. Real men fly Pink. Nerfageddon
largewhereitcounts	Posted - 2007.07.29 03:27:00 - [18] I have put this into features and ideas.
Jurgen Cartis Caldari Interstellar Corporation of Exploration	Posted - 2007.07.29 04:03:00 - [19] Have you ever tried running a Large Tower, large? Logistically, it's a lot easier to do production at NPC stations, and research slots generally require either Scientific Networking or corp hangar access. As for outposts, I think that ISS tried something like this. Look where they are now. . . -------------------------------------------------- ICE Blueprint Sales
WhitePhantom Gallente Edenists	Posted - 2007.07.29 04:10:00 - [20] I just how people are so full of themselfs that even after reading that a bug was fixed, they continue to claim its not fixed without any proof whats so ever.
largewhereitcounts	Posted - 2007.07.29 04:27:00 - [21] Originally by: Jurgen Cartis Have you ever tried running a Large Tower, large? Logistically, it's a lot easier to do production at NPC stations, and research slots generally require either Scientific Networking or corp hangar access. As for outposts, I think that ISS tried something like this. Look where they are now. . . I am not talking about outposts and 0.0 read the OP. As for scientific networking why do you think I want people to come to my station? It is not required!
Kirex Gallente Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.29 04:55:00 - [22] It's purple not pink. :S And yes I refuse to read it too.
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.29 05:54:00 - [23] Originally by: WhitePhantom I just how people are so full of themselfs that even after reading that a bug was fixed, they continue to claim its not fixed without any proof whats so ever. I was told it wasn't fixed, when I was corrected I accepted it, get over yourself you selfrighteous frenchman Real turtles tank armor. Real men fly Pink. Nerfageddon
largewhereitcounts	Posted - 2007.07.29 14:15:00 - [24] Originally by: Kirex It's purple not pink. :S And yes I refuse to read it too. Not quite.
Icy Z Superstars from Outer Space	Posted - 2007.07.29 16:00:00 - [25] Originally by: largewhereitcounts Originally by: Kirex It's purple not pink. :S And yes I refuse to read it too. Not quite. This is pink, sweethearts.
Pilok Shitfly Minmatar Soliders Of Eve The Makhai	Posted - 2007.07.29 16:20:00 - [26] Edited by: Pilok **fly on 29/07/2007 16:22:47 Originally by: Jim McGregor I dont read pink. Me neither Edit: Spelling (only 2 words and i mess that up)
Icy Z Superstars from Outer Space	Posted - 2007.07.29 16:30:00 - [27] Originally by: Pilok **fly Edited by: Pilok **fly on 29/07/2007 16:22:47 Originally by: Jim McGregor I dont read pink. Me neither Edit: Spelling (only 2 words and i mess that up) Thats because you didnt read what you wrote
largewhereitcounts	Posted - 2007.08.01 11:41:00 - [28] More input please.
Lag Hon Minmatar Lag Hon Security	Posted - 2007.08.01 13:08:00 - [29] As far as I know you cannot rent out lab slots to the public. If there is a way to do it then someone please tell me and I'll galdly rent out a few slots on our labs. It would only be a courtesy thing for a few friends tho because if I charged rates based on the cost of fuels used to run the POS then most people would rather wait 10 weeks for an NPC lab slot. Quote: There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against that power governments, and tyrants, and armies can not stand. G'Kar
Billy Sastard Amarr Life. Universe. Everything. Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.01 13:54:00 - [30] Originally by: largewhereitcounts More input please. I was about to read your post, but when it loaded with a wall of pink, I declined. It is not cute, in fact, it makes my eyes start shaking just reading the line I quoted. -=^=-

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