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Ephemeron Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.29 11:02:00 - [1] Today I ran accross one of buescrew Raven farmers in Branch. A quick "show info" revealed that they are part of IAC alliance again. In case some people are still unclear, buescrew is one of the most well known chinese isk farming corps. When you see the isk seller spam on public channels, you can be sure that at least some of that isk is coming from the buescrew farm sweatshops. If you examine many other 23/7 Raven isk farmers, you'll notice that about 30% of them have been in buescrew corp at some point. I know that IAC is just using the isk farmers to "steal" some of their money, basically making them pay rent for regions they don't even control. But the real issue is that actions of IAC give corps like buescrew in-game legitimacy. CCP is less likely to deal with them now. If real alliances didn't tolerate chinese isk farmers for their personal gain, CCP would have easier time identifying and banning the isk farmers.
Ephemeron Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.29 11:26:00 - [2] Quote: If IAC kicks the perfectly legitimate ratter corp out, I will be laugh at them for being intimitated by a nobody, whose alliance does not stand behind him. Don't get the wrong idea. IAC knows they are isk farmers, IAC does not respect them. The very fact that IAC leaders decieve that corp by promising protection in a region that is very far from IAC regions, shows that IAC is just using them for isk. I doubt IAC would let them farm in the regions they actually control, because then their own players would get upset by influx of chinese isk farmers. No, they send them far away and collect their isk. But buescrew accepts that, cause they know that this way they are much less likely to get banned. Nobody is fooling anyone here, except maybe CCP.
Ephemeron Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.29 11:53:00 - [3] Originally by: Mr Broker There are still plenty of other well known isk farmer corps without an alliance, and they are still kicking strong. That doesn't mean that it's ok for player alliances to use them. I know CCP can't ban them just because they rat 23/7, never actually use all the isk they make, and are chinese. But CCP could investigate them and find out where all that isk is going. It's not as simple as checking wallet transactions, isk sellers are smarter than that, they purchase items and transfer them in untraceable ways. CCP is very busy and won't investigate if corp looks legit, and corp looks legit if it is part of well known player alliance. If CCP people played the game many hours a day, they would easily see all the red flags we see. But they are busy working on the game so many things slip past their attention.
Ephemeron Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.29 13:51:00 - [4] Originally by: CardboardSword42 The idea that CCP won't deal with isk farmers becuase they're in IAC is both ridiculously stupid and unfounded. If an account is found to have sold isk for real money, that account will be banned no matter what alliance or corporation that person is in. Having this corp in IAC has no bearing what so ever on their legitimacy in the eyes of a GM. In addition Tyrax pretty much agrees they're illegitimate but would rather make isk and not have them in his space than have to deal with them. Your arguments about why CCP are less likely do deal with farmers are totally warrantless. And if CCP does ban them. Wouldn't CCP also have to punish the legitimate players for knowingly aiding isk farmers? Wouldn't CCP, at the very least, have to take away all the ISK that IAC recieved from these farmers? Does IAC hope it'll never come to that?
Ephemeron Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.30 04:11:00 - [5] If CCP has already conducted investigation of buescrew (as 1 posted suggested), then could they release results of that investigation? If there is evidence that buescrew are not macro-rattings, not sweatshop isk farmers, and not involved in isk sales, then I'll change my attitude toward them. I'm open minded. It's just that right now, all the circumstantial evidence points against them. It's very hard to prove isk sales, but it's easy to examine their online farming time. If 1 char is farming for 18+ hours strait, you know that it's either a macro or shared account. Both cases are EULA violations. Can CCP say how many hours they farm?
Ephemeron Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.30 09:39:00 - [6] I take offense at IAC because they are blue to my alliance. I won't hide the fact that I hate isk farmers. I don't like people who collaborate with isk farmers in any way. IAC says it's ok to shoot them even tho they are blue. I see such policy as abuse of EVE political system. Either you are all hostile, or you are all friends. I don't want any of that "we all look like friends but lets pretend those friends are not friends at all, you can kill them, lets laugh at them. And by the way we know they are actually scum bags but we'll pretend to be their friend anyways." What kind of bull**** is that? Bottom line is, I consider behavior of IAC leadership unacceptable and I don't want to have such allies. I can tolerate it by my alliance leadership orders, but I won't hide that I don't like this one bit.
Ephemeron Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.30 09:41:00 - [7] Originally by: Sokratesz Contrary to the belief of many people in this thread, Farming is not a eula violation, and as said before, if they had been found guilty of ISK selling why the hell haven't they been banned? Bandwagon's full, please catch another. If IAC actually defended buescrew corp all the way, then I could respect you. But your leaders openly admit they buescrew are bad isk farmers, openly laugh when their allies kill their own members, openly admit to scamming their corp for isk by renting them far away regions. I can't respect you
Ephemeron Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.30 13:44:00 - [8] Originally by: Map Screen As for the OP I'm sure Ephemeron is just saddened that his own extensive farming is being hampered by someone else. I don't farm like they do. I don't always run when under attack. I certainly won't run and cloak simply cause someone entered local. All the isk I make goes either to help my alliance or pimp my PvP ships. BoB and many of my other enemies can testify that the isk I make gets returned to community thru PvP. How do all those farmers spend the isk? Has anyone seen them buy anything at all? They have to be making at least 2 billion a day. Where all that isk goes? They don't buy POS stuff, they don't pimp their ships, they only pay a small fraction to their "alliance". They been farming for months, if not years. They gotta have over 300 billion by now since they save so much. If CCP can present evidence that their isk is being spent on game stuff for valid game reasons, then I'll drop my case.
Ephemeron Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.30 14:03:00 - [9] Edited by: Ephemeron on 30/07/2007 14:11:03 Originally by: Taurequis As mentioned before its not illigal to spend all your time npc'ing. So without any evidence saying their selling isk for real cash why should IAC not have them in their space? Is it because some of their members are from the far east? That smacks of racism to me. Taur You missed the point where IAC admits to decieving and abusing that corp even tho it is in their alliance. Even if buescrew is legit, surely you can't defend IAC for choosing to use such foul tactics? abusing their own member corp while it's too dumb to realize what's going on (probably not dumb, just clueless about the game cause all they care for is isk farming) Any real corp would quickly figure out what is happening and realize that they don't need IAC.
Ephemeron Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.30 14:20:00 - [10] Edited by: Ephemeron on 30/07/2007 14:21:12 Originally by: Barthezz Perhaps in a month or 2-4 we will suddenly see buesrew in 20 motherships, dang IAC will be happy that they have them in the alliance Yea dream on. If there are real gamers behind the Ravens, they would turn those motherships on you for treating them like **** while pretending to be friends. At least I don't pretend to be their friend.
Ephemeron Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.30 15:47:00 - [11] Originally by: Solid Wilko Edit: Hahahaha I just noticed who the original poster was! Someone who used to be logged on 16 hours a day ratting in JWJ farming spawns with his domi and stiletto/black bird alt! Oh this is rich! Pot meet kettle! Ban him hes an isk farmer! nah ah I do often use tactic of staying cloaked AFK to scare the local farmers. You should remember that JWJ was hostile space to me. I was there to hurt people, as well as farm Don't deny that I haven't killed you
Ephemeron Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.30 16:26:00 - [12] Originally by: Flower Bear Can't deny you've killed me/I've killed you but how is you sitting there cloaked in hostile space and ratting when its clear for isk too much different then what you are claiming these others are doing(Assuming they arent selling isk for cash)? The big difference here is that I play this game to enjoy it. I farm some, I pvp some, I buy shiny things with my ISK. They don't play the game to enjoy it. They don't buy shiny things, they don't PvP unless it's forced down their throat (even then many of them simply roll over and die). The big difference is that they don't play the game, they work it.
Ephemeron Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.30 16:54:00 - [13] thanks, I like to think that I can change my views based on new information presented during course of discussion

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