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omghi 2u
Drunken Can Humping Lemmings
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Posted - 2007.07.31 04:35:00 -
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Great job CCP
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Mindless Slave
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Posted - 2007.07.31 08:57:00 -
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I have heard ranting like this before... let me think. Oh right, it was you whining tards who made the myrmidon incredibly overpowered and screwed the other T2 BCs.
from 100 M3 drone bay to 125 m3 dronebay and what was the reason? "No one will ever use 5 heavy drones."
Hooch, check the standings.... do I have any??? No, ok stfu and go cry somewhere else. waaaaaa
CCP: sorry bout the flamage, you guys in the balancing department just earned some cool points in most players eyes. Ignore the forum *****s.
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Shevar
Minmatar
A.W.M
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.07.31 09:01:00 -
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Edited by: Shevar on 31/07/2007 09:02:28
 Originally by: Mindless Slave
every setup in the entire eve universe seemed to have NOS all over it
ZOMG most setups use either guns or missles! There must be SOMETHING wrong with em.
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CCP: sorry bout the flamage, you guys in the balancing department just earned some cool points in most players eyes. Ignore the forum *****s.
Interesting, could I please see the full survey results regarding this insightfull evaluation of the eve-community that appearantly warrants you to talk in name of "most players"?
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umop 3pisdn
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.07.31 09:12:00 -
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The pluses of this patch are that smaller ships will be half good again
The downside is that****abonds get easier
Combat will change again as it always has, the good pilots will adapt, the **** ones will copy the good ones and ***** about it.
Minnie pilots are going to like it a lot though... seems gallente are getting the nerfbatting many have wished for.
Now if they'd only make it easier to catch isk farmers in belts i'd propose to them.
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Mindless Slave
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Posted - 2007.07.31 09:15:00 -
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Originally by: Shevar
Edited by: Shevar on 31/07/2007 09:02:28
Originally by: Mindless Slave
every setup in the entire eve universe seemed to have NOS all over it
ZOMG most setups use either guns or missles! There must be SOMETHING wrong with em.
Thats right cause guns or missiles are pretty much bonused on any ship out there.... show me a non-amarr/blood ship with a Nos bonus...
how many SP does it take to use Nos as a super effective weapon.....
Hey when did Guns and missiles start hurting enemies (offensive) and repairing armor/shields(defensive) like Nos does
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CCP: sorry bout the flamage, you guys in the balancing department just earned some cool points in most players eyes. Ignore the forum *****s.
Interesting, could I please see the full survey results regarding this insightful evaluation of the eve-community that appearantly warrants you to talk in name of "most players"?
Sure just hold on while I go get that.... I am sure crying your eyes out will occupy you.
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Shevar
Minmatar
A.W.M
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.07.31 09:20:00 -
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Edited by: Shevar on 31/07/2007 09:22:13
Originally by: Mindless Slave
Thats right cause guns or missiles are pretty much bonused on any ship out there.... show me a non-amarr/blood ship with a Nos bonus...
how many SP does it take to use Nos as a super effective weapon.....
You're point being?
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Hey when did Guns and missiles start hurting enemies (offensive) and repairing armor/shields(defensive) like Nos does
Since when does NOS repair shields/armor? Also what about drones then? Only gallente get bonusses for em and every ship can use em. They can drain cap, they can damage, they can web they can do pretty much everything for relatively few SP.
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Sure just hold on while I go get that.... I am sure crying your eyes out will occupy you.
As in you just used some ******** statement in the assumption it would make your argumentation stronger? That's not really a proper way to argue right?
By the way it might help if you actually learned how to use [ quote ] properly your nested responces look rather, euh, odd.
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Mindless Slave
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Posted - 2007.07.31 09:35:00 -
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Originally by: Shevar
Edited by: Shevar on 31/07/2007 09:24:57
Originally by: Mindless Slave
Thats right cause guns or missiles are pretty much bonused on any ship out there.... show me a non-amarr/blood ship with a Nos bonus...
how many SP does it take to use Nos as a super effective weapon.....
Your point being?
Look at your point, we should nerf weapons and missiles cause everyone uses them. I presented a similar retort, then provided true counter arguments.
Originally by: Shevar
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Hey when did Guns and missiles start hurting enemies (offensive) and repairing armor/shields(defensive) like Nos does
Since when does NOS repair shields/armor? Also what about drones then? Only gallente get bonusses for em and every ship can use em. They can drain cap, they can damage, they can web they can do pretty much everything for relatively few SP.
You missed the point. Nos is an offensive and defensive weapon at the exact same time. You hurt the enemy while helping yourself. It throws off checks and balances most other things in this game have.
Your comparison using the drones are flawed logic. You loose DPS and GAIN nothing. It adversely effects your opponent.
Nos upsides:
Get cap (increasing your own tanking power)
Kill opponent's tank (active tanking)
Kill opponent's offense (laser/blaster ships)
Nos downsides:
lessened DPS
EW drone upside:
EW effects equivalent to 1 module
EW drone downsides:
Lessened DPS
Originally by: Shevar
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Sure just hold on while I go get that.... I am sure crying your eyes out will occupy you.
As in you just used some ******** statement in the assumption it would make your argumentation stronger? That's not really a proper way to argue right?
By the way it might help if you actually learned how to use [ quote ] properly your nested responces look rather, euh, odd.
You take an agressive tone with me, I will answer in kind sir.
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Shevar
Minmatar
A.W.M
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.07.31 09:52:00 -
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Originally by: Mindless Slave
Your point being?
Look at your point, we should nerf weapons and missiles cause everyone uses them. I presented a similar retort, then provided true counter arguments.
Oh the irony...
Didn't you use exactly the same argument in the OP? And i know it's a ******** suggestion just as stating Nos's should be nerfed because it is incorporated in a lot of PvP setups. A quote from your OP to refresh your memory (which seems to be rather shortlived)
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IT seemed like an epidemic, every setup in the entire eve universe seemed to have NOS all over it, and all the forum monkeys with no-skill were saying NOS was fine.
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You missed the point. Nos is an offensive and defensive weapon at the exact same time. You hurt the enemy while helping yourself. It throws off checks and balances most other things in this game have.
Your comparison using the drones are flawed logic. You loose DPS and GAIN nothing. It adversely effects your opponent.
Nos upsides:
Get cap (increasing your own tanking power)
Kill opponent's tank (active tanking)
Kill opponent's offense (laser/blaster ships)
Nos downsides:
lessened DPS
EW drone upside:
EW effects equivalent to 1 module
EW drone downsides:
Lessened DPS
How come slightly improving your own ship and slightly impacting the opponent is that much diffrent to being exclusively damaging the opponent or improving your own ship?
Considering neuts kill significantly more then a nos I don't really see an issue. I'm not against a minor nerf to nosses but quite frankly using this % system is just really awkward and basicly makes it even more difficult to do anything about smaller sized ships.
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You take an agressive tone with me, I will answer in kind sir.
What exactly is aggresive about saying the fact bringing up non-arguments to strengthen your case without any form of backing (in this case claiming the "mayority" of the eve-community shares the same reasoning as you)?
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Caztra Tor
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Posted - 2007.07.31 09:58:00 -
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AT OP: I return to this freaking game just in time to see them drop off the effectiveness of NOS and now the Inty's can lock BS down, outrun drones, outrun missles, outrun the tracking of the guns and, make the BS use up precious cap just trying to get away much less meaningfully engaging the target.
Yea your right, brilliant change . . .
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Redback911
Malevolent Intentions
Chaos Incarnate.
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Posted - 2007.07.31 10:04:00 -
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Remove snakes.
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Mashie Saldana
Hooligans Of War
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Posted - 2007.07.31 10:37:00 -
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Originally by: Caztra Tor
AT OP: I return to this freaking game just in time to see them drop off the effectiveness of NOS and now the Inty's can lock BS down, outrun drones, outrun missles, outrun the tracking of the guns and, make the BS use up precious cap just trying to get away much less meaningfully engaging the target.
Yea your right, brilliant change . . .
Replace nos with neut and the inty is dead.
We're sorry, something happened.
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heheheh
Singularity.
Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.07.31 10:38:00 -
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Don't listen to the no-talent tards
yep ok,
I stopped reading your post here.
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Ashley Snow
Save our Souls
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Posted - 2007.07.31 14:36:00 -
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Edited by: Ashley Snow on 31/07/2007 14:36:10
Yea this nerf completely sucks. The % system in my mind is the worse way ever to go about nerfing them. Nerf them fine but dont kill them. They should have just removed nos from the game period. No point in using them now!
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Herculite
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.07.31 14:39:00 -
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Someone needs to post with their main.
If you don't have the guts to do that then its rather obvious you can't be speaking for most of EvE's player base.
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Major Stallion
Knights of Chaos
Chaos Incarnate.
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Posted - 2007.07.31 15:14:00 -
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Originally by: SonOTassadar
Originally by: Jenna Shame
Your main doesn't fly amarr does he.
Just because amarr are broke doesn't mean nos should stay unbalanced.
so the answer is to destroy a main part of the Amarr ship setups? very well done. Perhaps if they FIXED amarr, there wouldnt be this huge uproar about this NOS "fix"
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PhantomVyper
Darkness Inc.
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Posted - 2007.07.31 15:17:00 -
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Originally by: Ashley Snow
Edited by: Ashley Snow on 31/07/2007 14:36:10
Yea this nerf completely sucks. The % system in my mind is the worse way ever to go about nerfing them. Nerf them fine but dont kill them. They should have just removed nos from the game period. No point in using them now!
No point maybe for brainless players like yourself. A nos is still a perfectly valid choice for ships that need help sustaining their cap. If you wan't to kill an oponents cap use a neut...
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PhantomVyper
Darkness Inc.
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Posted - 2007.07.31 15:22:00 -
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Edited by: PhantomVyper on 31/07/2007 15:22:17
Originally by: Shevar
Oh the irony...
Didn't you use exactly the same argument in the OP? And i know it's a ******** suggestion just as stating Nos's should be nerfed because it is incorporated in a lot of PvP setups. A quote from your OP to refresh your memory (which seems to be rather shortlived)
Forgetting for the moment that there are 3 diferent type of guns and 1 diferent type of missiles, you need what? 16 mill sp to effectivelly use all your guns? How much sp do you need to use a nos? 90k?
Yes sir, you trully are a master of the art of debate...
Originally by: Shevar
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IT seemed like an epidemic, every setup in the entire eve universe seemed to have NOS all over it, and all the forum monkeys with no-skill were saying NOS was fine.
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You missed the point. Nos is an offensive and defensive weapon at the exact same time. You hurt the enemy while helping yourself. It throws off checks and balances most other things in this game have.
Your comparison using the drones are flawed logic. You loose DPS and GAIN nothing. It adversely effects your opponent.
Nos upsides:
Get cap (increasing your own tanking power)
Kill opponent's tank (active tanking)
Kill opponent's offense (laser/blaster ships)
Nos downsides:
lessened DPS
EW drone upside:
EW effects equivalent to 1 module
EW drone downsides:
Lessened DPS
How come slightly improving your own ship and slightly impacting the opponent is that much diffrent to being exclusively damaging the opponent or improving your own ship?
Considering neuts kill significantly more then a nos I don't really see an issue. I'm not against a minor nerf to nosses but quite frankly using this % system is just really awkward and basicly makes it even more difficult to do anything about smaller sized ships.
Also there is the issue that there are ships out there basicly totally reliant on nos and as usual those ships won't be redesigned.
Except that using neuts will also make you loose cap... See the beautifull simetry? You gain something but you also loose something.
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cuteboylookingatyou
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Posted - 2007.08.19 21:29:00 -
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NOS makes you go faster?
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Agor Dirdonen
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Posted - 2007.08.20 11:15:00 -
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Nice thing about this change is that they turned a NOS from an offensive module into a defensive one.
Most setups now will be packing neuts as they will be more effective. Your defense against neuts will be packing a nos as
a) when being neuted, your cap will be lower then your attackers
b) hence you can use a nos to counter the effects of the neuts on you, actually stealing back the cap that was destroyed in your ship.
Anyway, time will tell if it was a good change or not.
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