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DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.08.02 13:24:00 - [61] Edited by: DarkMatter on 02/08/2007 13:24:38 Quote: whats the name of this thread again? What are we arguing over again? Oh thats right, the looks of these ships. It's about Infinity. A space MMO game. Since when can I not branch out a topic from the OP??? (Been doing it for 4 years now just fine...) If you don't want to talk about anything other than the concept art, you're done, goodbye... My Infinity Ship Designs: T-Y9, Hauler
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.08.02 13:31:00 - [62] Edited by: Death Kill on 02/08/2007 13:31:21 Originally by: DarkMatter Since when can I not branch out a topic from the OP??? (Been doing it for 4 years now just fine...) If you don't want to talk about anything other than the concept art, you're done, goodbye... If you who are so incredible dense have anything to do with infinity, then its never going to launch. sorry (that hauler looks crap. It doesnt even look like a ship) Caldari and proud
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.08.02 13:34:00 - [63] Edited by: DarkMatter on 02/08/2007 13:34:04 Originally by: Death Kill Edited by: Death Kill on 02/08/2007 13:31:21 Originally by: DarkMatter Since when can I not branch out a topic from the OP??? (Been doing it for 4 years now just fine...) If you don't want to talk about anything other than the concept art, you're done, goodbye... If you who are so incredible dense have anything to do with infinity, then its never going to launch. sorry (that hauler looks crap. It doesnt even look like a ship) Thanks for taking a look at my ship, I hope you buy one when you play Infinity. Have a nice day :) My Infinity Ship Designs: T-Y9, Hauler
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.08.02 13:38:00 - [64] Edited by: Death Kill on 02/08/2007 13:38:14 Edited by: Death Kill on 02/08/2007 13:37:50 The T-y9 could have been nice if it wasnt such a blatant rip-off from the babylon 5 whitestar pic Caldari and proud
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.08.02 13:42:00 - [65] Originally by: Death Kill Edited by: Death Kill on 02/08/2007 13:38:14 Edited by: Death Kill on 02/08/2007 13:37:50 The T-y9 could have been nice if it wasnt such a blatant rip-off from the babylon 5 whitestar pic More ppl complain it looks like Firefly... (I finally saw the movie 2 weeks ago, I guess it resembles it...) I never said I was a good designer... The Thorax looks more like a Whitestar than my ship, IMO... My Infinity Ship Designs: T-Y9, Hauler
Asestorian Minmatar Domination. KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.02 13:43:00 - [66] DarkMatter, I think you are missing the point. Again. I never said that all EVE ships are beautiful because they are unique. And personally I don't really like most of the BSG designs, though I am a fan of the series. My point is that EVE has a look, something that fits together as a whole. If a new ship comes out for a certain race, that ship must conform to the looks that EVE already has. This is what Infinity seems to be lacking. A uniqueness, a look. BSG ships are ugly to me, but I can recognise a BSG ship design when I see one because it has a look. It has a style that all ships in it's universe must conform to. Infinity can have the best graphics engine ever. It can be an amazing game. But that doesn't mean the ship designs are good. This lack of a unique style is one of the major problems that the "submit your own ship" thing brings. And it will continue to be a mish-mash of bland and generic design until someone comes up with a style for it. --- ---
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.08.02 13:48:00 - [67] Edited by: DarkMatter on 02/08/2007 13:54:49 Originally by: Asestorian DarkMatter, I think you are missing the point. Again. I never said that all EVE ships are beautiful because they are unique. And personally I don't really like most of the BSG designs, though I am a fan of the series. My point is that EVE has a look, something that fits together as a whole. If a new ship comes out for a certain race, that ship must conform to the looks that EVE already has. This is what Infinity seems to be lacking. A uniqueness, a look. BSG ships are ugly to me, but I can recognise a BSG ship design when I see one because it has a look. It has a style that all ships in it's universe must conform to. Infinity can have the best graphics engine ever. It can be an amazing game. But that doesn't mean the ship designs are good. This lack of a unique style is one of the major problems that the "submit your own ship" thing brings. And it will continue to be a mish-mash of bland and generic design until someone comes up with a style for it. Yes, that is a concern. If I were the lead DEV, I would take in all the models that the fans submit, and have a real designer re-do them to fine tune them, make them real MMO worthy. I have nothing to do with how Infinity will launch, I'm not a DEV, just a big fan, and excited that I get to model stuff for it, and that maybe I might come up with something good enough. (But doubt it, that T-Y9 was my first attempt, and it took me like 2 weeks, lol) It's actually pretty hard to come up with an original design. And if you want what EVE has, you'd have to have one guy doing each "race" I don't particularly think what EVE has is that important. We have various car designs & styles on Earth, I'd hate for them to only be of 4 specific styles... Every corporation on Earth has their own style for their products. It's not based on Race. I don't see why you have to constrain yourself to that in a game where there are 1000's of corporations designing & building ships... My Infinity Ship Designs: T-Y9, Hauler
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.08.02 13:54:00 - [68] Good luck with infinity and I hope it suceeds. (seriously, thought I should offer an olive branch) Caldari and proud
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.08.02 13:56:00 - [69] Originally by: Death Kill Good luck with infinity and I hope it suceeds. (seriously, thought I should offer an olive branch) Thanks, but I have nothing to do with it really... I hope for all of us it does. There is nothing wrong with having another space MMO to play.. My Infinity Ship Designs: T-Y9, Hauler
Asestorian Minmatar Domination. KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.02 14:05:00 - [70] Originally by: DarkMatter I don't particularly think what EVE has is that important. We have various car designs & styles on Earth, I'd hate for them to only be of 4 specific styles... Every corporation on Earth has their own style for their products. It's not based on Race. I don't see why you have to constrain yourself to that in a game where there are 1000's of corporations designing & building ships... But EVE, and Infinity, are games. Real life doesn't fit well when talking about games unless the game is supposed to be an exact simulation of real life, therefore making it pointless. But using your car example. Every car looks different, and perhaps even works slightly differently, yes. But they are all based on one thing. Take away the body, and they are pretty much the same, even though there are loads of companies working on each thing, and even though each of the components may look different or be different sizes. Why do they do this? Because there is something that works in this world. In Infinity, surely (assuming they actually have some kind of backstory) there will be things that work. Things that ship designs need to follow in order to function as ships. This needs to be decided upon and placed as rules for the ships. The look and feel of a game is just as important as everything else in it. It's part of the complete package that makes a good game great. --- ---
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.08.02 14:13:00 - [71] Edited by: DarkMatter on 02/08/2007 14:16:59 Originally by: Asestorian Originally by: DarkMatter I don't particularly think what EVE has is that important. We have various car designs & styles on Earth, I'd hate for them to only be of 4 specific styles... Every corporation on Earth has their own style for their products. It's not based on Race. I don't see why you have to constrain yourself to that in a game where there are 1000's of corporations designing & building ships... But EVE, and Infinity, are games. Real life doesn't fit well when talking about games unless the game is supposed to be an exact simulation of real life, therefore making it pointless. But using your car example. Every car looks different, and perhaps even works slightly differently, yes. But they are all based on one thing. Take away the body, and they are pretty much the same, even though there are loads of companies working on each thing, and even though each of the components may look different or be different sizes. Why do they do this? Because there is something that works in this world. In Infinity, surely (assuming they actually have some kind of backstory) there will be things that work. Things that ship designs need to follow in order to function as ships. This needs to be decided upon and placed as rules for the ships. The look and feel of a game is just as important as everything else in it. It's part of the complete package that makes a good game great. Well, yes, there is a ship design document, with certain criteria you must adhere to... As far as how the ship looks? You model something up, show it to the lead DEV, and he says he likes the style, or he says it's not the style he wants in the game... Hardpoints, engines, thrusters, etc... All that is regulated as far as if they are needed, or where they are placed. But as far as what they look like, it's open to the designer to come up with a style... Why should all the ships have the same armor plating, similar engines, etc? Like EVE ships... All Gallente are green, Brown for Minmatar, etc... That's constricting and not necessary IMO... If I was the lead DEV, I would however try to group the ships up into similar styles, and make them from the same ship building corporation. I would like to see a range of ships with similar styles, from frigate to capital ship, based on corporation style, not race style. But you have a bunch of fans making models, and no one really trying to model what the concept artist comes up with... Sooner or later, some one will come along and be able to model up the ships the Infinity concept artists draws, and that will most likely be how it ends up. And any of the fan made ships that look good enough, might make it into the game... My Infinity Ship Designs: T-Y9, Hauler
Teron D'Amun The Burning Orphans Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.08.02 14:20:00 - [72] their naming of ships sucks I can tell because their "remora" (aka sharksucker, they attach themselves to larger fishes and whales) is larger in size than their "shark"
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.08.02 14:23:00 - [73] Edited by: DarkMatter on 02/08/2007 14:23:40 Originally by: Teron D'Amun their naming of ships sucks I can tell because their "remora" (aka sharksucker, they attach themselves to larger fishes and whales) is larger in size than their "shark" LOL, the fans name their own ships... (And when you're working on your own ship, you tend not to care what the names of the other ones are at that time) I honestly think that they would be given proper names at a later date by DEV's... My Infinity Ship Designs: T-Y9, Hauler
Teron D'Amun The Burning Orphans Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.08.02 14:28:00 - [74] Originally by: DarkMatter LOL, the fans name their own ships... (And when you're working on your own ship, you tend not to care what the names of the other ones are at that time) I honestly think that they would be given proper names at a later date by DEV's... ah ok that explains it then, I thought that batch of ships was a full release from one designer team
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.08.02 14:31:00 - [75] Edited by: DarkMatter on 02/08/2007 14:31:45 Originally by: Teron D'Amun Originally by: DarkMatter LOL, the fans name their own ships... (And when you're working on your own ship, you tend not to care what the names of the other ones are at that time) I honestly think that they would be given proper names at a later date by DEV's... ah ok that explains it then, I thought that batch of ships was a full release from one designer team There is one official developer who draws concept art, but not many modelers follow his art (Or are skilled enough to do so). We all want to be the hero and come up with something on our own, lol... All the ships you see from Infinity, come from guys working on their comps after they come home form work... And that's why many of you here think they suck... They are not done by professionals... Although, some of the guys have great talent, and are just as good IMO... My Infinity Ship Designs: T-Y9, Hauler
Micheal Dietrich Cynical Cartel	Posted - 2007.08.02 16:08:00 - [76] Originally by: Death Kill Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Not books. They put me to sleep. You should try them. They can increase your mental capabilaty. Its incredible! I don't think S.K. IT really did much for my mental capacity. Most of the time if I need info on say , rewiring a '77 dodge charger to fit a fuel injected engine, I can google it on the internet and not have to look it up in a book and my mental capacity can still increase. Hell, take this website. I've read every short story here and while I remember them I don't think they increased my mental capacity. ___________________________ Never Forget, Never Forgive
Blue Binary	Posted - 2007.08.02 16:40:00 - [77] The original post by the OP doesn't do the ships justice. The renders for the Flamberge and the Galactos, even though they are incomplete, look professional imho. ____________ Blue B⁫⁫⁫⁫inary
Micheal Dietrich Cynical Cartel	Posted - 2007.08.02 16:46:00 - [78] Originally by: Blue Binary The original post by the OP doesn't do the ships justice. The renders for the Flamberge and the Galactos, even though they are incomplete, look professional imho. Yeahthe flamberge is one of my favorites of the group. ___________________________ Never Forget, Never Forgive
Constantine Arcanum IMPERIAL SENATE	Posted - 2007.08.02 17:50:00 - [79] Originally by: The Pointless You can? (Like to see you do better) Well I thought the whole idea with a professionally produced game is that you can't do better, whereas amateurs obviously can make better ship designs than the ones shown. It says a lot about the game tbh, it's not gonna happen.
JADE DRAG0NESS Native Freshfood	Posted - 2007.08.03 11:59:00 - [80] have to admit i do like the Sovereign and the Flamberge. "Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god." -- Jean Rostand
ivar R'dhak STK Scientific M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.08.04 04:33:00 - [81] Now this one I¦d call an original spaceship design. Agreed? _ Mal-`Appears we got here just in a nick of time. What does that make us?¦ Zoe-¦Big damn heroes sir.¦ Mal-¦Aint we just.¦
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.08.04 08:32:00 - [82] No, wasn't me who brought up Moya. I'm just enough of a sci fi fan to know what Moya is though. In General, Dark Matter, I don't disagree with you. I'm defending Eve partially because I don't want to admit that something I'm involved with now might suck, although sometimes it's hard to look the other way. I will take a gander at Infinity and see what it's like if/when it's released, but I don't want to use a joystick to play. I do love flight sims, but I actually prefer the way eve handles because it's relaxing. Or would handle, if anything worked right in this game. I fear aimbots, lag, hax, etc, plagues every twitch based game there is, and part of my love of eve is that that kind of complaint does not exist here. I would much prefer CCP clean up their act (who am I kidding?) and re-code basically all of eve, than have to switch to a FPS style sim. So let me amuse myself calling you a fanboi (I spell it boi because it's insulting that way for some reason) and telling you to stfu because Infinity doesn't even exist yet. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Sazkyen	Posted - 2007.08.04 13:51:00 - [83] The Trireme looks cool.
Red Crown Kudzu Collective	Posted - 2007.08.04 14:26:00 - [84] Meh I've always hated eve ships. All Gallente ships look like "artistic impressions", so do many Minmatar ships, and most caldari ships are simply fugly, although some Amarr ships look good. I much prefer ships like from Infinity. I'd really like a Battlestar actually

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