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Heavy Miner
Perkone
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.01.12 16:58:00 -
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After reading the forums for a few weeks about people doing manufacturing and how many people want to jump right into ship manufacturing... then receiving suggestions that they start with something a little more manageable / smaller, I decided I'd get into manufacturing T1 / T2 Hybrid Turrets. Here's what' happened, first I looked at what skills I needed to make a T2 medium hybrid turret. Check. Got the skills, cool. Bought the BPO for the T1 with the intention of invention up to a T2. Then I looked at the components that go into it and I decided I'd try to manufacture as many of them as I can ( like 2 or 3 I think it is) so I get the BPO's for them as well. Cool I got the skills to manufacture those parts as well. I'm thinking this won't be too hard as only one of the components requires Moon materials and one takes PI mats.. the rest I can farm from missions / reprocessing from my other toons endeavors. So I find a open invention slot in a nearby system.. put my BPO in.. and realize it has to be a copy!? ok.. cool I'll just copy it. But I can't find any open copying slots ANYWHERE.. so now I'm stuck. I've got the mats to copy the BPO's, I've got the mats to Invent the BPC's but I can't find anywhere to do it. I thought I had researched this well enough before I bought the items but alas.. I had not obviously. So.. am I going to have to make a POS with my other toon and stick a lab of my own in there? What options do I have? How can a new indy toon make it if I can't find anywhere to copy my BPO's?
Edit: before anyone tells me how much of a tard I am for my lack of knowledge.. I'm kinda already feel like one after my unsuccessful attempts at this |
Nevryn Takis
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.01.12 17:12:00 -
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Heavy Miner wrote:After reading the forums for a few weeks about people doing manufacturing and how many people want to jump right into ship manufacturing... then receiving suggestions that they start with something a little more manageable / smaller, I decided I'd get into manufacturing T1 / T2 Hybrid Turrets. Here's what' happened, first I looked at what skills I needed to make a T2 medium hybrid turret. Check. Got the skills, cool. Bought the BPO for the T1 with the intention of invention up to a T2. Then I looked at the components that go into it and I decided I'd try to manufacture as many of them as I can ( like 2 or 3 I think it is) so I get the BPO's for them as well. Cool I got the skills to manufacture those parts as well. I'm thinking this won't be too hard as only one of the components requires Moon materials and one takes PI mats.. the rest I can farm from missions / reprocessing from my other toons endeavors. So I find a open invention slot in a nearby system.. put my BPO in.. and realize it has to be a copy!? ok.. cool I'll just copy it. But I can't find any open copying slots ANYWHERE.. so now I'm stuck. I've got the mats to copy the BPO's, I've got the mats to Invent the BPC's but I can't find anywhere to do it. I thought I had researched this well enough before I bought the items but alas.. I had not obviously. So.. am I going to have to make a POS with my other toon and stick a lab of my own in there? What options do I have? How can a new indy toon make it if I can't find anywhere to copy my BPO's?
Edit: before anyone tells me how much of a tard I am for my lack of knowledge.. I'm kinda already feel like one after my unsuccessful attempts at this
Pretty much you can't .. if you don't have easy access to a POS with research/invention/copy slots you're sunk.
There are people about who wil either copy your BPO for you (and charge you for the privilage) or sell you copies so you could try advertising for these .
Otherwise you're left with 2 choices .. get you own hisec pos or join another corp that has one ..
Edit :- I thought Perkone were more than big enough to already have several POSs |
Zifrian
Deep Space Innovations
177
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Posted - 2012.01.12 17:16:00 -
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Not really only two options. There are stations in low sec with copy slots or low que times. Also, there are many stations in high sec with low que times as well (1 or 2 days). I'm actually thinking of going to this instead of my pos because copies are more expensive than you think.
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Velicitia
Open Designs
446
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Posted - 2012.01.12 17:17:00 -
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Well, looks like you found out the hard way that T2 is neither "smaller" nor "more manageable" than T1 ships. Hang on to the module BPOs for now, if you can afford to.. then you'll be ready once you have the knowledge reserves to actually foray into T2 invention.
Now, go buy ammo BPOs like you were advised to do and start learning the markets. Maybe get a frigate or two as well (NO CRUISERS OR LARGER JUST YET) to play around in the ship market.
You have to learn how to walk before you can run -- especially when it comes to the more cutthroat aspects of the markets... |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
407
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Posted - 2012.01.12 18:14:00 -
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Check contracts for BPC.
Some nice people will even make copies for you or do research if you ask... |
Cyniac
Twilight Star Rangers
Black Thorne Alliance
103
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Posted - 2012.01.12 18:41:00 -
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If you are having problems finding a slot for copying your BPO.... where did you research the ME on your component BPO? You realise you are going to have to do that as well too? (And that is generally subject to even longer waiting times than the copying) mind you... it's something you only need to do once. |
Lady Ayeipsia
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Cascade Imminent
20
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Posted - 2012.01.12 18:45:00 -
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Cyniac wrote:If you are having problems finding a slot for copying your BPO.... where did you research the ME on your component BPO? You realise you are going to have to do that as well too? (And that is generally subject to even longer waiting times than the copying) mind you... it's something you only need to do once.
The same is true of your bpo. You usually need t1 versions to make t2 modules and want the best cost there to. |
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
605
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Posted - 2012.01.13 03:16:00 -
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Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
The same is true of your bpo. You usually need t1 versions to make t2 modules and want the best cost there to.
But depending on the T1 item, it may be just as cheap or cheaper to buy the T1 base item off the market rather then make it yourself.
(Whether you make the T1 base items yourself depends on the above, plus the distance between you and a reliable supply of those base items. Which is generally "how far is Jita / Rens / Dodixie / Amarr?".) |
Xuzi
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
35
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Posted - 2012.01.13 11:47:00 -
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Don't get down on yourself for missing a step. You did a really good job. T2 production chains are some of the more complicated and nontransparent things in eve to figure out. If you haven't done so already, I strongly advise you make a spreadsheet. It'll help you get a better handle on what materials and what parts of the chain are dictating your production costs. It'll also help with easily and rapidly adjusting to the constantly changing material costs.
First, as far as your moon material related component BPOs, I'd look for a research corp that would be willing to do the research for you. If you hadn't already bought them, I'd suggest looking for ones already researched on contracts.
As far as copying your base item BPO's, you have a couple options. One is the obvious do it yourself and set up your own lab, but if you don't want to deal with it, you can try and find a research corp that will provide you a regular supply of max run BPC's. From there the invention and manufacturing slots are pretty easy to find in high sec.
Keep in mind that POS labs and manufacturing arrays have time bonuses that can have a rather significant impact on production time. Depending on what your expectations are for isk/time/line, this can impact the price you'll consider profitable. This is assuming yer trying to keep your lines running 24/7.
Compartmentalize each step and figure out the isk/hour/line. Copying, inventing, manufacturing, market order selling. Each one can be calculated independently as isk/hour/line. |
Rahl Gryphon
Ovistavin Enterprises
0
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Posted - 2012.01.13 16:19:00 -
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Heavy Miner wrote:After reading the forums for a few weeks about people doing manufacturing and how many people want to jump right into ship manufacturing... then receiving suggestions that they start with something a little more manageable / smaller, I decided I'd get into manufacturing T1 / T2 Hybrid Turrets. Here's what' happened, first I looked at what skills I needed to make a T2 medium hybrid turret. Check. Got the skills, cool. Bought the BPO for the T1 with the intention of invention up to a T2. Then I looked at the components that go into it and I decided I'd try to manufacture as many of them as I can ( like 2 or 3 I think it is) so I get the BPO's for them as well. Cool I got the skills to manufacture those parts as well. I'm thinking this won't be too hard as only one of the components requires Moon materials and one takes PI mats.. the rest I can farm from missions / reprocessing from my other toons endeavors. So I find a open invention slot in a nearby system.. put my BPO in.. and realize it has to be a copy!? ok.. cool I'll just copy it. But I can't find any open copying slots ANYWHERE.. so now I'm stuck. I've got the mats to copy the BPO's, I've got the mats to Invent the BPC's but I can't find anywhere to do it. I thought I had researched this well enough before I bought the items but alas.. I had not obviously. So.. am I going to have to make a POS with my other toon and stick a lab of my own in there? What options do I have? How can a new indy toon make it if I can't find anywhere to copy my BPO's?
Edit: before anyone tells me how much of a tard I am for my lack of knowledge.. I'm kinda already feel like one after my unsuccessful attempts at this
Each copy slot is actually a queue. Even if it is in use you can add your job to it, but the time shown is the delay before your job will start. The same goes for invention, manufacturing and research slots. |
Cyniac
Twilight Star Rangers
Black Thorne Alliance
103
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Posted - 2012.01.13 16:52:00 -
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Lady Ayeipsia wrote:The same is true of your bpo. You usually need t1 versions to make t2 modules and want the best cost there to.
This is true, but I never ever use a T1 BPO to make the T1 item needed to make T2 modules - it comes off the market, far more efficient use of the production slots that way, at least for my products. |
Skorpynekomimi
E.A.D Alliance
Omega Vector
86
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Posted - 2012.01.13 17:16:00 -
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If you're using public stations, your choices are twofold:
1. Get access to a research/invention PoS.
2. Be patient and just queue it up. |
VaMei
Meafi Corp
83
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Posted - 2012.01.13 18:28:00 -
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Zifrian wrote:There are stations in low sec with copy slots or low que times. Also, there are many stations in high sec with low que times as well (1 or 2 days). I'm actually thinking of going to this instead of my pos because copies are more expensive than you think.
^^ This.
If you get away from the more populated areas of space, there are copy queue times that are reasonable.
If your willing to take the risk, getting a shuttle in/out of some of the sparcely populated areas of low-sec is actually very easy. Once you learn where to look, you can usually count on finding a low-sec station with zero wait time for copy slots.
If you don't like the idea of running your main to some of those fringe systems every few days, training time for a basic alt to keep the xerox machine running is only a few days. Hours if you're tight with the skill plan.
Others will tell you that w/o a POS you're sunk. Not true at all. A POS will allow you to deal in higher volume, but it'll take a much larger investment, will require much more work to manage, and for a single character is a very inefficiant way to go; esp. when you have yet to learn if you actually like doing it. Once you have a stable invention/manufacturing business that you enjoy and want to expand, then consider a POS. Until then, small business is good business. |
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
2698
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Posted - 2012.01.14 13:54:00 -
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You should try and invent a 'Return' key for your keyboard, it will pay dividends, trust me ^_^
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
GÇö Karath Piki |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder
Thundering Herd
249
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Posted - 2012.01.14 18:04:00 -
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Heavy Miner wrote:After reading the forums for a few weeks about people doing manufacturing and how many people want to jump right into ship manufacturing... then receiving suggestions that they start with something a little more manageable / smaller, I decided I'd get into manufacturing T1 / T2 Hybrid Turrets. Here's what' happened...SNIP.......
I gave up on manufacturing T2 ANYthing around 3 months ago.
The TIME and trouble gathering enough resources, and transport of materials, and all that WAS NOT WORTH the patheticlly thin profit margin. 5,000,000 profits on a 92,000,000 Crane ? Yup......
BAD/horrendous ISK/hour ratio.
The freaking T2 BPO Hogs killed the Industry.
More money in High sec explore sites even.
Sad but true.
OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM !
God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved.
-á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
Xander Hunt
17
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Posted - 2012.01.14 21:36:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:I gave up on manufacturing T2 ANYthing around 3 months ago. The TIME and trouble gathering enough resources, and transport of materials, and all that WAS NOT WORTH the patheticlly thin profit margin. 5,000,000 profits on a 92,000,000 Crane ? Yup...... BAD/horrendous ISK/hour ratio. The freaking T2 BPO Hogs killed the Industry. More money in High sec explore sites even. Sad but true.
Same here. Geared entirely up for T2 production of the Small Tractor Beam II. Bought a couple T1 BPOs, bought enough to do 200 research runs, then spent DAYS doing the invention process to get less than a 30% successful research ratio. Finally sold everything after about two weeks to make a calculated ~20 mill profit.
Waste of time. |
Arana Mirelin
Te'Rava Industries
27
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Posted - 2012.01.14 22:20:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Heavy Miner wrote:After reading the forums for a few weeks about people doing manufacturing and how many people want to jump right into ship manufacturing... then receiving suggestions that they start with something a little more manageable / smaller, I decided I'd get into manufacturing T1 / T2 Hybrid Turrets. Here's what' happened...SNIP....... I gave up on manufacturing T2 ANYthing around 3 months ago. The TIME and trouble gathering enough resources, and transport of materials, and all that WAS NOT WORTH the patheticlly thin profit margin. 5,000,000 profits on a 92,000,000 Crane ? Yup...... BAD/horrendous ISK/hour ratio. The freaking T2 BPO Hogs killed the Industry. More money in High sec explore sites even. Sad but true.
It's not always true, although for ships it is a lot of times. Modules are quite a bit better. Typically, I buy about 100M worth of materials, and carry 250M worth of product to Jita a couple times per week. (it works out to about 250-400k isk /hr per line, so about 2.5-4M isk/hr overall. Second char is almost ready for manufacturing duty, and the first can keep up with inventions for two manufacturers. I'm about half-busy with inventions as it is, and most of the time T2 BPCs stack up as long as I don't get lax with copying. |
Arana Mirelin
Te'Rava Industries
27
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Posted - 2012.01.14 22:35:00 -
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Xander Hunt wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:I gave up on manufacturing T2 ANYthing around 3 months ago. The TIME and trouble gathering enough resources, and transport of materials, and all that WAS NOT WORTH the patheticlly thin profit margin. 5,000,000 profits on a 92,000,000 Crane ? Yup...... BAD/horrendous ISK/hour ratio. The freaking T2 BPO Hogs killed the Industry. More money in High sec explore sites even. Sad but true. Same here. Geared entirely up for T2 production of the Small Tractor Beam II. Bought a couple T1 BPOs, bought enough to do 200 research runs, then spent DAYS doing the invention process to get less than a 30% successful research ratio. Finally sold everything after about two weeks to make a calculated ~20 mill profit. Waste of time.
Your science skills must be low-ish.. I'm averaging right about 50% for modules. I tried the T2 tractors, and got just a couple runs out before the price dropped out. Some of the older modules still do well though. Did you use decryptors for this process, or just invented the base -4/-4 bpcs? |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder
Thundering Herd
250
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Posted - 2012.01.14 23:33:00 -
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Arana Mirelin wrote:Xander Hunt wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:I gave up on manufacturing T2 ANYthing around 3 months ago. The TIME and trouble gathering enough resources, and transport of materials, and all that WAS NOT WORTH the patheticlly thin profit margin. 5,000,000 profits on a 92,000,000 Crane ? Yup...... BAD/horrendous ISK/hour ratio. The freaking T2 BPO Hogs killed the Industry. More money in High sec explore sites even. Sad but true. Same here. Geared entirely up for T2 production of the Small Tractor Beam II. Bought a couple T1 BPOs, bought enough to do 200 research runs, then spent DAYS doing the invention process to get less than a 30% successful research ratio. Finally sold everything after about two weeks to make a calculated ~20 mill profit. Waste of time. Your science skills must be low-ish.. I'm averaging right about 50% for modules. I tried the T2 tractors, and got just a couple runs out before the price dropped out. Some of the older modules still do well though. Did you use decryptors for this process, or just invented the base -4/-4 bpcs?
All at FIVE. What a waste of time. AND decryptors. The T2 BPO owners DO NOT NEED THEM !
AND the ones who own them are the ones who are in the large Alliances that OWN the Technitium Moons, so their Components are nearly FREE. You CANNOT win at that game...........
OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM !
God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved.
-á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
Arana Mirelin
Te'Rava Industries
27
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Posted - 2012.01.15 00:31:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
All at FIVE. What a waste of time. AND decryptors. The T2 BPO owners DO NOT NEED THEM !
AND the ones who own them are the ones who are in the large Alliances that OWN the Technitium Moons, so their Components are nearly FREE. You CANNOT win at that game...........
Ok. that explains it. Used the decryptor which drops chances of success for better bpc me/pe..
I've not found that one worthwhile to use, due to the cost it adds.
But, for what it's worth, you're barking up the wrong tree regarding T2 BPOs for the new items. There aren't any. |
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
10
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Posted - 2012.01.15 01:33:00 -
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Welcome to T2 invention. Have you heard of T2 BPO's? look it up if this is new to you. BTW this will make you rage. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder
Thundering Herd
250
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Posted - 2012.01.15 01:46:00 -
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Arana Mirelin wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
All at FIVE. What a waste of time. AND decryptors. The T2 BPO owners DO NOT NEED THEM !
AND the ones who own them are the ones who are in the large Alliances that OWN the Technitium Moons, so their Components are nearly FREE. You CANNOT win at that game...........
Ok. that explains it. Used the decryptor which drops chances of success for better bpc me/pe.. I've not found that one worthwhile to use, due to the cost it adds. But, for what it's worth, you're barking up the wrong tree regarding T2 BPOs for the new items. There aren't any.
That much is true.....
....except that the chance of a new item being worthwhile is as RARE  as the percentage of the current ones.
OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM !
God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved.
-á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder
Thundering Herd
250
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Posted - 2012.01.15 01:48:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Welcome to T2 invention. Have you heard of T2 BPO's? look it up if this is new to you. BTW this will make you rage.
Yuppers.
I was assuming he knew about THAT.
I guess he doesn't as well, now.
What a ROFL if true.
OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM !
God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved.
-á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
Arana Mirelin
Te'Rava Industries
27
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Posted - 2012.01.15 02:19:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Welcome to T2 invention. Have you heard of T2 BPO's? look it up if this is new to you. BTW this will make you rage. Yuppers. I was assuming he knew about THAT. I guess he doesn't as well, now. What a ROFL if true.
I know about them. I played for a while when the T2 BPO lottery was still going on. And no, it does not make me rage, it's quite simply not worth the energy to ***** about. At least not as much as I keep seeing in here. There weren't enough of them to even come close to supplying the market for T2 goods.
And no, as I think I said near the beginning... I got one run through of the T2 tractors before they weren't worth it for me to make. I expect everyone jumped on that exact same bandwagon and oversaturated the market. It's getting closer to worthwhile again, so I may go back to them again shortly, and still have some BPCs both T1 and T2 waiting for the right time. |
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
10
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Posted - 2012.01.15 02:27:00 -
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Arana Mirelin wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Welcome to T2 invention. Have you heard of T2 BPO's? look it up if this is new to you. BTW this will make you rage. Yuppers. I was assuming he knew about THAT. I guess he doesn't as well, now. What a ROFL if true. I know about them. I played for a while when the T2 BPO lottery was still going on. And no, it does not make me rage, it's quite simply not worth the energy to ***** about. At least not as much as I keep seeing in here. There weren't enough of them to even come close to supplying the market for T2 goods. And no, as I think I said near the beginning... I got one run through of the T2 tractors before they weren't worth it for me to make. I expect everyone jumped on that exact same bandwagon and oversaturated the market. It's getting closer to worthwhile again, so I may go back to them again shortly, and still have some BPCs both T1 and T2 waiting for the right time.
STFU seriously!
Too many bitter vets sucking CCP **** for the likes of T2 BPO and then posting on forums trying to claim T2 BPO does not ruin invention. It does stop the bullshit no one even reads your BPO defenses as they see it for the liquid shite that it is.
Yet again CCP remove tech II BPO's and stop **** slurping over your chosen pet players.
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Arana Mirelin
Te'Rava Industries
27
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Posted - 2012.01.15 02:39:00 -
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So once again a legitimate question has devolved into this idiocy.
Whatever dude.. |
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
10
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Posted - 2012.01.15 02:48:00 -
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T2 BPO = Idiocy
''T2 BPO barely effects the market, cry cry cry, No I'm not willing to give up MY BPO even though I got it for **** all Cry cry.''
''Because in fact T2BPO allows me to skip the whole invention stage which is the most time consuming and expensive part of T2 production. I'd rather just sit here burning copies at minimal cost of my BPO while spamming forums about how this BPO in no way ruins invention for 99% of eve.''
CCP is dumb for allowing T2 BPO, further ******** for giving them out for free to selected players and further derpy for not retracting these gifted items.
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Dersk
90040045
18
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Posted - 2012.01.15 03:18:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:STFU seriously!
Too many bitter vets sucking CCP **** for the likes of T2 BPO and then posting on forums trying to claim T2 BPO does not ruin invention. It does stop the bullshit no one even reads your BPO defenses as they see it for the liquid shite that it is.
Would this be a conniption fit or apoplectic rage? I find it hard to tell the difference over simple text. |
Emma Royd
Maddled Gommerils
66
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Posted - 2012.01.15 07:41:00 -
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What stated off as a "serious" question about manufacturing has ended up with a T2 BPO whine thread, quelle surprise
Whaah I can't make uber isk like that char over there who was given a T2 BPO by his buddies at ccp, and now he can miraculously run thousands of copies off for free, and he can run 10 simultaneous manufacturing runs of the 1 bpo at the same time cos he must be cheating.
Grow a set, try inventing one of the many things that don't have T2 BPOs, and stop whining about how someone has got something you can't have (well you can, buy the BPO's when they come up for sale.)
Do you really think that all the T2 items on the sale are manufactured from the very limited number of T2 BPO's? cos I certainly remember when T2 items were quite expensive to buy off the market, then invention was brought in, and prices have slowly started dropping since that.
I've not got any T2 BPO's, nor have I the desire to own any really. |
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
11
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Posted - 2012.01.15 10:36:00 -
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Emma Royd wrote:What stated off as a "serious" question about manufacturing has ended up with a T2 BPO whine thread, quelle surprise Whaah I can't make uber isk like that char over there who was given a T2 BPO by his buddies at ccp, and now he can miraculously run thousands of copies off for free, and he can run 10 simultaneous manufacturing runs of the 1 bpo at the same time cos he must be cheating. Grow a set, try inventing one of the many things that don't have T2 BPOs, and stop whining about how someone has got something you can't have (well you can, buy the BPO's when they come up for sale.) Do you really think that all the T2 items on the sale are manufactured from the very limited number of T2 BPO's? cos I certainly remember when T2 items were quite expensive to buy off the market, then invention was brought in, and prices have slowly started dropping since that. I've not got any T2 BPO's, nor have I the desire to own any really.
Grow a set, how about CCP grow a set and remove the disaster thatt is Tech II BPO. Pandering all these years to pet players.
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