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Djerin
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Posted - 2007.08.04 22:15:00 -
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The Eagle is a worthwhile HAC to fly. Just dont use it against heavy targets and without a fleet or think outside of the box..
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Djerin
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Posted - 2007.08.04 23:27:00 -
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Well, i preferr another HAC too. But the HAC i preferr sucks when it comes to fleets. Yet i'm not asking for a range bonus. I just dont use this HAC in fleets...
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Djerin
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Posted - 2007.08.05 07:28:00 -
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 Originally by: Benn Helmsman
Well if you shift the range down to 80 km and keep on to faction ammo due to tracking, the Munnin deals the same damage as the Eagle using Fed Carbonized Lead while the Eagle uses CN Thorium. Just adding missiles to the calculation can shift the calculation to the Eagle (but considering the very very long time until they hit, i wouldnt bet on them). If you use Tremor, the Eagle become clearly outdamaged.
The point is that the ceptor will be dead before it hits the 80km. That's what makes the Eagle worthwhile imho...
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Djerin
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Posted - 2007.08.06 19:20:00 -
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Look at this and ask yourself if a Beagle really is that bad as you're trying to point it out. Both fittings you see there are not meant to be used without at least a tackler. The Deimos' dps includes approx 160 from drones. The numbers are correct as far as i can test it (can only use one of those two fittings atm).
It's not the role the Eagle was designed for. It still performs not too bad.
About sniping i will just say one thing: anything below 100km is not what most people consider to be sniping. A Deimos can shoot 100km but why would anyone want to do that?! It performs crappy, a Ferox would do seriously better at way lower cost. So anyone who's talking about Sub-100km-Sniper-Deimos is making up arguments imho.
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Djerin
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Posted - 2007.08.10 13:45:00 -
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Originally by: Nadec Ascand
Take a crow as exemple, with resistance and dmg type of eagle or tron u need to make 2500dmg to kill it (not taking recharge rate in this)
2500dmg with an eagle getting 120dps and a ROF of 3,5 is 17,5sec so 5 volley
(dont tell us crappy double number u dont fire evry sec ROF IS 3,5 so stop doing stupid math )
My tron will kill that inty in 2 volley with a rof of 4, so 8sec...
Given im in a bs it gonna take me 1sec more to lock my target... so 9sec vs 17,5...
If Eagle is given a 5th turret it would take 14sec and 4 volley. That dont seems overpowered to me.
Funny, pretty mulch all your numbers are wrong.
First of all the Crow from your example has something like 1850 effective hitpoints (if spike s is used, which does 50/50 therm/kin).
Second of all the Eagles volley with spike s is 500+ damage. So it's not 5 but 4 volleys.
And last but not least 4 volleys is not 4x3.5s but 3x3.5s since the first volley has no delay.
Now you're saying a fifth turret would not render the Eagle overpowered. But to stay with your example the fifth turret would kill the Crow in 3 volleys which means 2x3.5s and therefor reduces the time to kill by 33%. If you turn it this way this would be an insane boost, dont you think? Dont blame me for that, you started this argument, i'm just correcting your numbers.
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Djerin
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Posted - 2007.09.06 09:06:00 -
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If you think it's soooo great go click my sig and act accordingly. Hijacking threads and *****ing about it wont help much mehinks.
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Djerin
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Posted - 2007.09.06 15:15:00 -
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Originally by: Benn Helmsman
Originally by: Djerin
If you think it's soooo great go click my sig and act accordingly. Hijacking threads and *****ing about it wont help much mehinks.
Well, put the old deimos next to an eagle and compare a while. Now give me ojective arguments why the deimos got buffed, the eagle not.
Because the Eagle fullfills it's role to be the cruiser with the biggest range. The Deimos is supposed to be best ganker at extremely short range, but it just couldnt get in range in a reasonable timeframe, because it was slower and heavier than it's t1 variant and almost any other cruiser. So Deimos wasnt boosted but fixed. The Eagle's role is not to insta pop t2 ships of any kind at 200km. So it's fine.
Btw: in a thread about the Eagle getting or not getting an additional turret with you advocating FOR the turret you shouldnt point at the Deimos anyways. It gets only one additional damage bonus. There's another cruiser that does get an additional damage bonus and on top of that an additional turret slot even though it's not even meant to be the ship with the most insane punch. If at all you should refer to that cruiser, because Deimos is in line with Thorax just like Moa/Eagle, Caracal/Cerb and Omen/Zealot. You would have to open your mind for that of course.
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Djerin
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Posted - 2007.09.06 16:59:00 -
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Edited by: Djerin on 06/09/2007 16:59:08
Originally by: Neuromandis
There does not exist such a thing as "primary use", ships are used for whatever most people use them for.
You know you just wrote a wall of text without actually saying anything. So you think there is no primary use for an Eagle? Or did you just say you use it in another way? What is it? What are you doing with your Eagle and what exactly doesnt work as you want it to? If you cant at least say that i dont know why you are criticizing Goumindongs posts...
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