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Sir Ibex
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Posted - 2008.02.13 19:46:00 -
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Very good post, and very useful to me since I have very little experience in low sec.
The only thing I don't like is how you say stuff like "Don't worry! It's a frigging game! So what if you loose a ship! nothing will happen to you in "real" life! All your losses are virtual!"
No offense, but when people say stuff like that it angers me. This might be "just a game" but the time we spend in it, and the emotions/reactions we have to different things happening in this game are VERY REAL and have DIRECT impact on to real life.
I'm sure at least some of us ended up being rude to our mother or wife after getting killed/scammed in some online game, when she would start bugging you to go rake the lawn, or go do the homework or whatever... You just lost something you spent a lot of time getting!! The last thing you want to worry about is doing chores or listening to what your mother has to say. You want to scream: Hey! Shut up! Leave me alone! Can't you see I just got owned?! ;)
I'm sure at least some of us ended up passing up on some events our friends were inviting us to because we were too busy owning newbs online, or grinding, trying to get some special item, and then after realizing how stupid we were, we regretted it and the time we lost on a frigging game.
I remember how upset I was once, when I got scammed by some bastard in Diablo II out of several items that took me years to acquire. Off course I cooled down, and realized "it's just a game and all", but on that particular day I really felt like crap.
There are always people on forums that come in and say something like "Well if you feel this way about loosing virtual stuff in a game, you need to stop playing games or get some help"
F*ck that. I'm sure many of you knows what I'm talking about even if you don't want to admit it. We're all people and we get emotional sometimes - it happens. And while I agree that people should go to 0.0, try new things, and not worry about losses too much, games can and do affect real life.
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Hippy Dave
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Posted - 2008.02.14 03:31:00 -
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Hippy Dave
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Posted - 2008.02.14 03:38:00 -
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CONT -
Personally i fall between the two camps represented in this thread.
I dont have alot of time to play, so for now im sticking to high sec mission running and im earning money and implants to get to around 2mill SPs (all combat skills) then ill get a jump clone (after another month or two tops) and some cheap frigates or maybe interceptors or AS and go to low sec either with my corp (if they want to go that route) or with a new one.
I do have a slight advantage over a total noob in terms of knowing a bit (im an old player returning and i have a long term eve playing RL mate) so i know that aside from nice non pvp body with implants for skill training and a big pile of cash my time in high sec wont garner much in terms of pvp experience but thats fine.
As the OP stated somewhere he would have earned more but learned less in high sec, as long as you recognise that when you do move to low sec nothing you learned in high sec will be much use i dont see the difference really. Only a problem if you delude yourself that flying in low sec for the first time in your new BS or BC will somehow be better than going there in a frigate.
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Lara Renquist
Minmatar
The Phoenix Confederacy
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Posted - 2008.02.14 11:31:00 -
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My char is a bit older (2006) 7 mil skill points, been away for almost a year now just started back up yesterday.
I've always been a mission runner, and have very low exp with pvp or ratting, heck the times i have been in 0.0 coule be counted on 1 hand.
I guess that is the reason i took a break of a year, it was not fun anymore.
Now i intend to do things differently, and indeed go to low sec and learn the game as it is supposed to be played, i just have 1 question.
Is it not extremely hard for frigs to kill low sec rats? i mean most of them are BC class if im not mistaken.
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Lil'Red Ridin'Hood
Snake Assault
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Posted - 2008.02.14 13:01:00 -
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Edited by: Lil''Red Ridin''Hood on 14/02/2008 13:04:11
 Originally by: Lara Renquist
Is it not extremely hard for frigs to kill low sec rats? i mean most of them are BC class if im not mistaken.
Actually not at all that hard.
I've got around 4 mil SP by now, flying a Rifter.
With the correct ammo I was able to take down up to 200k rats. Those above 150k could take a while to break their tank, though. So if in doubt in a busy system, pass on those.
After spending the last 2 months almost exclusively in low-sec, I'm feeling more confident at saving my hide and started using some T2 modules (typically repper, guns, gyro). With those guns and the extra bit tank I can comfortably take out even those in a relatively short time. Obviously the potential loss is much higher so it might not be worth it. It's just a matter of time that I'll lose the ship, but I've got enough spare frigs waiting in hangar.
I'll avoid webbing rat groups since I need the speed to avoid being hit.
Edit: Want to add this. I fight rats in my PvP outfit. it's not optimal, but you never know when a fight comes along. I'd rather be prepared and go down blazing, than caught with my pants down and not able to fight back. I've had the fun of taking down newbie pirates who thought they caught me off-guard to find themselves webbed and scrambled and blown to pieces.
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Haidii
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Posted - 2008.02.14 16:26:00 -
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Nice write up :)
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Slade Trillgon
Siorai Iontach
Brotherhood of the Spider
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Posted - 2008.02.14 16:56:00 -
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This should be Stickied!!!!
It is a great write-up by Ard UnjiiGo and it sparks some good conversation. The thread keeps poping to the top therefore it should be stickied so all NOOB's that access the forum would have a better chance of viewing it!!!
I have charged myself with keeping this thread on the 1st page of ENC-Q&A
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Slade Trillgon
Siorai Iontach
Brotherhood of the Spider
"Never sit with your back towrads the door and always leave yourself an out."
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Zoey Rapture
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Posted - 2008.02.14 21:34:00 -
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Agree with Slade. This is definitely a great guide for those looking to shed their carebear outfits and break out into something a lot more dangerous and a lot more fun.
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Sara Starlighter
Gallente
In Ominia Paratus
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Posted - 2008.02.15 01:17:00 -
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This is a great post. I've learned so much just reading this thread. Mostly things I wasn't doing. I mine mostly in high sec. I venture into low every once in a while when I want to mine some fiery kernite. I like mining in high sec because I don't have to stay glued to the screen or I can just chat on the Eve radio channel. I am going to go deeper in. So, maybe I'll see some of you out there. Again, great post.
[b]"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both."
"Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy."
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Arlana Aarro
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Posted - 2008.02.15 03:23:00 -
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Originally by: Hippy Dave
Stuff
That's one ****ed off carebear! 
Anyway, the industrial side of carebearism absolutely is not PvE. I don't think anyone called it that, so don't go getting your panties all in a twist.
When you see PvE you should be thinking more along the lines of Missions/Plexes/Ratting. If you think EVE's Missions/Plexes/Ratting is a solid selling point for the game you're nuts.
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Ard UnjiiGo
The Bastards
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Posted - 2008.02.19 15:28:00 -
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Since it's been quite a few posts since I last showed up here, I just wanted to stop in with a few responses and thoughts.
For those adding to this thread that you'd like to see it stickied: it has been. It's in the Ultimate New Player Guide Collection. Kudos to the forum mods for giving this discussion a home for new rookies to be able to find it.
Nur: It was nice seeing and speaking with you briefly in low-sec in one of my "home" systems. Why'd you leave so quickly though? 
To everyone that has shared their successful/enjoyable experiences as a rookie in low-sec: Gracias. The point of the thread was to share with rookies, with an interest, that it was quite doable with some knowledge, a few friends and playing with a perspective that puts "EVE" death as not all that big a deal and, in fact, viewed as a learning opportunity.
Sir Ibex: Well, not entirely sure how to respond. I suspect the most constructive way (though some unconstructive but funny ones crossed my mind  ) is to share with you that all of my posts were always qualified to say "for those who might think they would enjoy it". This pretty much rules out people who get pretty twisted up about going 'pop' to another player. I look at low-sec (and 0.0) as a place to learn more about how to play the game well and to improve my ability to play it successfully. This does mean that I don't get all bent out of shape when I get popped. I know that if I got popped there was something I did wrong and try to learn from it. It makes the game fun for me. I realize that some folks that play can't "let the game go". I wouldn't encourage these folks to come to low-sec and I feel sympathy for their families and friends.
Hippy Dave: I'm not sure where your information about what the EVE developers intend or intended comes from but from my experience and what I've read, Cypher 7 absolutely nailed what CCP is aiming for with the EVE Universe. It's a dark, treacherous hard-as-nails place. Yes, there is PvE but it's fairly agreed that it's not a big strength or a big part of CCPs commitment.
As to "carebears". A couple things. Most, if not all, pirates have an appreciation for care bears. Many have care bear alts to fund what they do, many engage in some care bear activities on their main and yes, we purchase a number of our goods from care bears or you purchase them, we pop you and then take them to use - same difference. Of course we are dependent on care bears and as another wise poster earlier in the thread noted, care bears are dependent on the folks that PvP. We blow stuff up that needs to be replaced. When I hear PvPers upset w/ care bears on the forums (this is just how I percieve what I read) it's almost always surrounding those that care bear wanting CCP to nerf the game so it's easier for them to make or not lose isk. It's when they don't want to rise to the challenge of the game as it is but want the bar lowered. That's just how it seems to me.
And EVE isn't just about blowing up ships for me....there are pods too. 
Lil Red: Enjoy reading your posts here and elsewhere. Another example of a rookie that took low-sec by the horns and is having a blast it sounds. I'm with you. I never do anything in low-sec w/o a PvP fit.
Arlana: Thanks for qualifying PvE to Hippy Dave. That's what I understand PvE to be and meant by it.
-Ard
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73v3nov9
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Posted - 2008.02.24 11:40:00 -
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Got to agree with this stuff,got myself a Cruiser thought I could handle a bit of low sec ratting.
Killed in about half an hour and been staying out,after reading this i'm outfitting me a frigate and coming down to have some fun,BECAUSE AFTER ALL THATS WHAT ITS ABOUT.
Cheers :) See you soon.
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Azra Hennep
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Posted - 2008.02.25 19:09:00 -
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I think this post is excellent, and my experience bears it out.
I have had two friends goading me about trying this game, and I have been very resistant. I tried is yesterday, I started a new character on my friend's account and set up what I thought would make a good smuggler/pirate/edgerunner.. My friends are relitively new at this (6mos or a little less) and they both WARNED me about low sec space.
I set a course for some 0.0 spot 19 jumps away to check out some scenery. The jumps took me through .9 to .2 sec space and I got attacked once, but I was able to warp out.
All I can say is: This game rocks, and I have already jumped into 0.0 sec space with this new character/account I am posting from. Got attacked by two cruisers last night and was still able to get away. I cannot imagine playing in high sec space without it getting a little boring.
Thanks Ard for your post! I was wondering if I was nuts by starting in low sec, and now I can see it's really about how you look at the game and really, how you manage and embrace risk in-game that matters.
See you all in game!! 
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Leeanthonie Rastlin
Minmatar
Republic University
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Posted - 2008.02.26 01:20:00 -
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Edited by: Leeanthonie Rastlin on 26/02/2008 01:22:56
Excellent Information for us newbies! (or noobs, rookies, target practice, or whatever you call us. lol)
After reading this thread, I have decided to 'sink or swim' tonite.
This, of course, means there will be another easy target in 0.0 space now. LOL
Ard UnjiiGo....Thanks for posting your reflections. (and therefore starting this thread)
It is much appreciated.
If you throw a cat out of a window, is it kitty litter?
Be careful what you wish for....you might get it.
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Kahega Amielden
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Posted - 2008.02.26 01:35:00 -
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I think one of the reasons people are scared of lowsec is that they, like so many others, are in Caldari space. Caldari space is overpopulated.
Really most areas away from the Citadel/The forge are pretty tame.
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