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DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.08.03 14:31:00 - [1] Originally by: Curzon Dax Originally by: Jennai Originally by: Curzon Dax I really can't think of any reason why people whine about "Go back to WoW" when enhancements are offered that would bring more pew-pew to Eve. Buncha whiney carebears. cos I'd rather have them use coder time to fix the drone bugs and the overview bugs etc instead of adding unnecessary crap (walking in stations anyone?) You don't understand. We ALREADY have arena combat. Players are making it happen left and right through organized and corp/alliance sponsored Events. It exists on Sisi as an arena event that doesn't require player sponsorship, it would just as easily transfer to Tranquility. Not a global implementation, but a little arena, somewhere in the middle of Empire where you could go and duke it out for kicks with someone else. I've been wanting this for a long time, but the PK'ers don't like the idea. They are afraid it will take targets away from them... And they can't handle fair fights, they want to gank... Less sheep for them is their fear... My Infinity Ship Designs: T-Y9, Hauler
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.08.03 14:38:00 - [2] Quote: Take me for example: -I've been around for a long time. -I don't go to lowsec. -When I want PvP, I get it in highsec, arena style. How many other people are there out there just like me? I bet there's lots. The problem is, there would be too many. I think that's why CCP will never do it... It's not viewed as real PvP to the PK'er mindset (Which CCP has) Real PvP is ruining someones day when they don't expect it, that's what the EVE PK'ers & UO PK'ing CCP DEV's want... My Infinity Ship Designs: T-Y9, Hauler
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.08.03 14:54:00 - [3] Originally by: Death Kill I'm not a pirate, but arenas would kill piracy. It would kill ganking, not piracy. The real pirates who fly around would still be doing ok, making a profit. As the players currently in low sec would still need to go there for the same resources. In fact, if you have more Carebears getting used to PvP in arenas, more of them might go to low sec for resource acquisition thinking they are better able to handle themselves... My Infinity Ship Designs: T-Y9, Hauler
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.08.03 14:55:00 - [4] Originally by: Jennai Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: DarkMatter The problem is, there would be too many. I think that's why CCP will never do it... It's not viewed as real PvP to the PK'er mindset (Which CCP has) Real PvP is ruining someones day when they don't expect it, that's what the EVE PK'ers & UO PK'ing CCP DEV's want... Interesting how a pvp game would steer away from something that would bring more people to pvp, isnt it... Because I believe it would become very, very popular. Maybe too popular, like you say. if you had to use an actual ship and it would die for real, empire carebears wouldn't use it for the same reasons they don't join pvp corps or move to 0.0. if it was a "holographic simulation" or whatever and you didn't lose anything, either no one would use it because it's completely pointless, or the market would go to hell because all the mission runners would rather pretend to pvp than do missions. I actually don't believe that. Dying in a fair fight is more appealing to everyone (Including carebears) than getting ganked in a few seconds by a blob... I'm sick of 0.0 PvP. I'd love arenas... My Infinity Ship Designs: T-Y9, Hauler
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.08.03 14:57:00 - [5] Edited by: DarkMatter on 03/08/2007 14:57:25 Originally by: Jennai Originally by: DarkMatter In fact, if you have more Carebears getting used to PvP in arenas, more of them might go to low sec for resource acquisition thinking they are better able to handle themselves... why risk a real ship when they can just sit in the arena all day and pretend they have skills? actually if the arena charged an entrance fee that'd be a pretty awesome isk sink and would keep it from screwing up empire dynamics No one ever said it would be fake ships (nor should it be), at least I never said that. You could lose everything except your clone... You could even have ones where you could pod kill... My Infinity Ship Designs: T-Y9, Hauler
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.08.03 15:08:00 - [6] It would simply work too good. you could log on, knowing you have a fight, participate in your fight, and then go back to RL. You would have many players from all sec zones fleeing to this form of convenient, e-peen showcasing, audience watched PvP... CCP is afraid it would attract too many players, and not leave enough out in 0.0 to build empires... Hell, it would get me to log back in and play this game... I won't play it unless I can PvP, and I won't PvP if I have to wait hours on end to engage in a lagfest. Hence, I no longer play... There are 1000's of players in this same situation who would use the arenas... My Infinity Ship Designs: T-Y9, Hauler
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.08.03 15:58:00 - [7] Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 03/08/2007 15:57:08 Originally by: Ridley Tree Singularity. Go there. Sure, as soon as you lose your TQ stuff there. Singularity pvp is just as meaningless as WoW battlegrounds. Exactly. Talk about zero risk PvP... My Infinity Ship Designs: T-Y9, Hauler
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.08.03 16:45:00 - [8] Quote: I'll just repeat it: if the players are already doing it themselves, then that means CCP doesn't need to do anything Sure they do, because the players can't possibly do it as well, and as consistently as a game mechanic coded into he game can. If you think what the players are providing right now is anything close to what Empire Space tournaments could provide, you're simply being an idiot... My Infinity Ship Designs: T-Y9, Hauler
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.08.03 17:05:00 - [9] Quote: Eve is a persistant, harsh, gritty, evolving world. If people want to fight, they should have to risk running through lowsec and 0.0. Tell that to the Romans... The coliseum was pretty gritty... You so miss the point dude... You're another one afraid to lose sheep, plain and simple... My Infinity Ship Designs: T-Y9, Hauler
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.08.03 17:14:00 - [10] Edited by: DarkMatter on 03/08/2007 17:15:06 Originally by: Verone Originally by: DarkMatter Quote: Eve is a persistant, harsh, gritty, evolving world. If people want to fight, they should have to risk running through lowsec and 0.0. Tell that to the Romans... The coliseum was pretty gritty... You so miss the point dude... You're another one afraid to lose sheep, plain and simple... lol yeah, okay... sure. How is going into an arena with the possibility to lose it all even your clone any different than going into low sec and losing it all? Gee, that's right, no ability for you to blob to ensure victory... So transparent My Infinity Ship Designs: T-Y9, Hauler
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.08.03 17:38:00 - [11] Edited by: DarkMatter on 03/08/2007 17:39:36 Quote: In other words, people don't want to risk anything when they know that they might stand a chance of losing it, and would rather tick the little box that says "enable pvp" when they know they can tear their opponent a new arse. You're just simply wrong... People will most definitely risk it all, if they know for sure the other side cannot blob them. Losing it all in a fight you know cannot turn 10 v 1 is a hell of a lot more fun to head into than into one knowing you will have no chance because it's almost certain it will end up 10 v 1. Of course players, who are humans, will shy away from that, and eventually lose all interest in it. How many boxers would train for the sport, and put their lives on the line if they were always certain it would end up them against 5? And you're wrong. I have been the killer in low sec gate camps more than the victim. It's just stupid PvP... My Infinity Ship Designs: T-Y9, Hauler
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.08.03 19:04:00 - [12] Bottom line is, CCP will never introduce this due to the fact it would become the most fun type of PvP in the entire game. Even casual gamers could get involved and not have to worry about OP times & durations... And to the one who said it would create a rift. I'm sorry, but the rift is already there. I for one would like to see the players who ignore PvP combat due to blob ganking get involved in some form of it, they may take the next step out of the arena and move out of Empire if CCP could ever fix the broken servers & game code to make 0.0 PvP fun again. It would expose more players to loss in PvP combat, without making it feel like Extreme Gankathon 3000 everytime they enter low sec... My Infinity Ship Designs: T-Y9, Hauler

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