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Jennai
The Silent Rage
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Posted - 2007.08.03 14:23:00 -
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 Originally by: Curzon Dax
I really can't think of any reason why people whine about "Go back to WoW" when enhancements are offered that would bring more pew-pew to Eve.  Buncha whiney carebears.
cos I'd rather have them use coder time to fix the drone bugs and the overview bugs etc instead of adding unnecessary crap (walking in stations anyone?)
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Jennai
The Silent Rage
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Posted - 2007.08.03 14:52:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Originally by: DarkMatter
The problem is, there would be too many. I think that's why CCP will never do it...
It's not viewed as real PvP to the PK'er mindset (Which CCP has) Real PvP is ruining someones day when they don't expect it, that's what the EVE PK'ers & UO PK'ing CCP DEV's want...
Interesting how a pvp game would steer away from something that would bring more people to pvp, isnt it... 
Because I believe it would become very, very popular. Maybe too popular, like you say.
if you had to use an actual ship and it would die for real, empire carebears wouldn't use it for the same reasons they don't join pvp corps or move to 0.0.
if it was a "holographic simulation" or whatever and you didn't lose anything, either no one would use it because it's completely pointless, or the market would go to hell because all the mission runners would rather pretend to pvp than do missions.
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Jennai
The Silent Rage
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Posted - 2007.08.03 14:55:00 -
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Originally by: DarkMatter
In fact, if you have more Carebears getting used to PvP in arenas, more of them might go to low sec for resource acquisition thinking they are better able to handle themselves...
why risk a real ship when they can just sit in the arena all day and pretend they have skills?
actually if the arena charged an entrance fee that'd be a pretty awesome isk sink and would keep it from screwing up empire dynamics
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Jennai
The Silent Rage
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Posted - 2007.08.03 15:03:00 -
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Originally by: DarkMatter
No one ever said it would be fake ships (nor should it be), at least I never said that.
You could lose everything except your clone... You could even have ones where you could pod kill...
in that case it would be an unused waste of time, because the potential audience (empire dwellers) would either refuse to participate because it would involve them losing ships, or they'd go in with some godawful setup like this and cry on the forums after they get owned by a pirate's month-old empire alt in a tech 1 cruiser.
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Jennai
The Silent Rage
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Posted - 2007.08.03 23:26:00 -
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Originally by: Curzon Dax
I haven't taken a Condor to lowsec, but I've certainly prowled around with my Arazu. Lots of places. I don't WANT to gank hapless belt miners. Or noobie ratters. I want to fight epeen stroking players. They...that is...YOU...won't fight unless you have a blob behind you. That's the dilemma.
tell that to my corpmate who charged a gang of 9 (including a command ship) by himself in a hurricane and they all ran away. or the 6 of us who attacked a 15-man RA gatecamp, scared them off, and got 2 billion worth of stuff from the hauler they were supposed to be protecting.
just because crap alliances like FREGE won't fight unless they have a 5:1 advantage doesn't mean everyone is like that.
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Jennai
The Silent Rage
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Posted - 2007.08.04 00:18:00 -
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Originally by: Curzon Dax
For you to constructively argue, you should point out one of the following:
1. Why consensual PvP would NOT increase PvP participation
go to Oursulaert, drop a can outside station 3, ask in local if anyone wants a 1v1. none of the 150 people in system will take you up on that unless there's a bored mercenary who wants a break from station camping. the rest of them won't fight, even if you only go to structure, because they're giant pussies who won't risk anything under any circumstances. they never go to lowsec, they never go to 0.0, and they fit ridiculous navy raven setups to run level 3 missions so there's no chance they'll ever die.
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Jennai
The Silent Rage
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Posted - 2007.08.04 01:12:00 -
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Edited by: Jennai on 04/08/2007 01:12:02
Originally by: Shelix Anakasian
I'm sorry...
You went to one system, posted in a local chat that likely no one was reading, and didn't get a fight? How is that meaningful? I...really don't know what else to add to that.
FYI, I wouldn't take your can either. You probably have 10 corp mates sitting in system waiting to gank me.
Oursulaert is a major hub system and I saw maybe three consensual PVP engagements in the two years I was there, not including people testing their corpmate's tank outside station.
no one will do it, even if you ask for 1v1 tech1 frigate at primetime when local is active and you're in a 1-man corp/npc corp so there's no possible way you could turn it into a trap.
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