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Shariona
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Posted - 2004.01.31 15:31:00 -
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Some peeps like to block big parts of the EVE regions, like Venal,Stain ect.
Killing all who enters.
Why not give everybody a chance to explore eve?
What is the diffrents between those corperations and piratcorps.
Piratcorperations are fair, oke the shoot people but thats there job and there live.
Why not make a big alliance of all races and corps, even pirats, and open eve for everybody again?
After the big war we can go on with our lives, killing pirats, pirats killing us, mining trading and exploring.
Join "Bigwar"channel and tell me what you think or msg me,
Shariona
If your opponent is of choleric temper, seek to irritate him -- Sun Tzu
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Carey
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Posted - 2004.01.31 15:37:00 -
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simple... game is based on who can outnumber and deceive the next guy, and well, we all know system lags even if 4 or 5 ships try to battle.
these big corps block the areas and claim the space for themselves... if I were you, claim your own area and shoot anyone in there or make them pay. soon we'll all have fun camping stargates and waiting around to pop haulers.
woohoo
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Manfred Doomhammer
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Posted - 2004.01.31 15:37:00 -
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What is the diffrents between those corperations and piratcorps.
well. short answer ... There is no difference"
you will hear all sorts of excuses, but basically Corps that seal of a region in space are pirates in every aspect... they didnt build the jumpgates to the system they now claim "rightfully" theirs now, did they?
so, yes, they are pirates, and should be treated that way.
so , basically whats happening up in fountain is a war amongst pirates... and i do not dare to call who the good and who the bad pirate is
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Manfred Doomhammer
Fleet Admiral
CEO ShadowTec Inc.
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Reverend Necrona
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Posted - 2004.01.31 15:55:00 -
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I'm greedy and want all the arkonor for myself.
Reverend Necrona |
Mikelangelo
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Posted - 2004.01.31 16:02:00 -
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Simple.
Because it's human nature to form groups, which try to keep other groups out, and keep whatever resources in that area for themselves. This is because people think it gives them some advantage that others do not have.
In the old days these groups were called "tribes", but now in the modern era we call them "nations". Which is really the same thing repeated over and over throughout history, modern man just tries to dress it up better with fancy terms and sophisticated explanations.
The basic idea is kindergarden logic.
IT'S MINE AND YOU CAN'T HAVE IT ! WHAAAAAA !
Pretty stupid isn't it?
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Shariona
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Posted - 2004.01.31 16:21:00 -
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Because they block the rich parts of eve, new players cant grow fast.And...
they become pirats
If your opponent is of choleric temper, seek to irritate him -- Sun Tzu
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LLeBRing
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Posted - 2004.01.31 16:36:00 -
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A couple months ago Venal was in fact open to all. The only systems that were restricted were 6nj8-v and y-4cfk. Then we had the war and with all the alts flooding in and all the miss communication on who to kill and who not it was just easier to close down the doors
Atm Venal is still restricted but its only cause the political layout in EVE is at the moment a little tense.
I am sure Venal will reopen for everyone, but atm its just not possible.
Thats basically the most honest answer I can give you with regards to venal.
Your idea of an alliance where all corps, pirate and non can get together in one region.... That may work but its just very unlikely. I think that you have basically described more of a CFS alliance I think. Although there aren't pirates in that alliance last I checked. Good group of people though, maybe you can join :)
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Covaenda
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Posted - 2004.01.31 16:50:00 -
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Something is a miss here, where did everyone read that eve space is safe? 
Big corps tries to hold territory to becomer richer and so on, if they share with everyone they will soon have 3 other large corps that strip mine that system.
People complain on pirates being bad, well remove that, people complain about system blockeds, remove that, and lets keep going soon its no point playing the game
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Shariona
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Posted - 2004.01.31 16:54:00 -
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I already fight with CFS, and they are great 8), no pirats in there but they keep the system open or warn peeps for pirats, in stead of shooting them
If your opponent is of choleric temper, seek to irritate him -- Sun Tzu
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sjgay
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Posted - 2004.01.31 17:37:00 -
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 well what did you think would happen you came in to a war zone you were in a noob corp as far as we were concernd you was a spy.
all players worth there salt all know that venal is a closed region till the war is over and when it is you will and can mine and trade up hear.
so you have two options you can join the players up hear and fight the piros our you can come back in a bigger ship and gank us all.
but till then stop *****ing.
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Bosie
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Posted - 2004.01.31 17:44:00 -
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Venal is closed, never stoped me before. Only one person tells me where I can't go and that is my CEO, all others may as well talk to a wall for all the attention I pay them on where I can't go.
Bosie.
http://bosie.proboards40.com/
http://zeroimpact.co.uk/evemap
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Toulak
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Posted - 2004.01.31 17:52:00 -
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all others may as well talk to a wall for all the attention I pay them on where I can't go.
Till your ship explodes 
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Ichabod Dirange
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Posted - 2004.01.31 18:26:00 -
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It's a small miracle no-one has laughed her out of the forum already. 
This is the other extreme, moderate claims would go a long way, not as the Curse alliance who lay claim to the whole right hand side of the galaxy.
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Vacuole
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Posted - 2004.01.31 19:44:00 -
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What's wrong with blocking big parts of Eve?
And what do I care about others being able to freely explore Eve? If they can get in, then good for them. If they can't, then good for me. :)
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McWatt
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Posted - 2004.01.31 20:39:00 -
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having the power to rule any space for any amount of time is not part of the game,
it IS the game.
better you start taking part...
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2004.01.31 23:13:00 -
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Edited by: Baldour Ngarr on 31/01/2004 23:14:14
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having the power to rule any space for any amount of time is not part of the game,
it IS the game.
better you start taking part...
Sorry, I must have missed the post where you were appointed God and had the right to tell the rest of us what we're allowed to find fun. 
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Nirvy
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Posted - 2004.02.01 00:50:00 -
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Edited by: Nirvy on 01/02/2004 00:51:27
It's all about power and influence.
Dont like it? Get a bigger force together and try to take what you want from us.
Mercenary | The Azath |
dalman
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Posted - 2004.02.01 01:09:00 -
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What is the diffrents between those corperations and piratcorps.
well. short answer ... There is no difference"
You bet there is!!!
We may be greedy ******* that you hate. I don't care.
The game is about POWER and RESOURCES.
Read the backside of your EVE-box if you don't like it:
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THE GALAXY IS YOURS TO CONTROL IF YOU HAVE THE BRAINS, STRENGTH, AND CUNNING TO SUCCED
Which part of that did you not understand when you bought the game?
Hence, what we are doing, and what we in the stain alliance was first to do (with many to follow), is EXACTLY THE PURPOSE OF THE GAME.
Now, for the difference between us and a pirate. It is very different.
You may view us as a STATE. In a lawless land, WHERE NO LAWS APPLIED, we set down. We created a HOME FOR US. And we made OUR OWN LAWS. And we got the MILITARY/POLICE TO ENFORCE OUR LAWS.
Exactly the same way that every state in the RL world has been formed.
And as in real life when new states are formed, there are usually those that don't recognize the new state, and there are often wars because of that.
Just as in EVE.
Now, you may choose to not recognize our state and be hostile towards us. That's fine. But if you do not ACCEPT what we're doing, then you do not accept the way the country you live in IRL was formed.
Think about that before you flame us.
As RL states does, our "states" in EVE has different policies on boarder control.
One problem for you, is that all alliances are in war.
And you can bet that RL states that are in war would kill you if you go there without they nowing who you are and why the heck you're trespassing.
Hence, normal friendly boarder policies can not be upheld atm in EVE.
A pirate on the other hand, wants to kill you to profit from it. He attacks you to make money from your death.
If I kill you, it's to protect my home, into which you are trespassing without even talking to me in advance.
M.I.A. since 2004-07-30 |
Skillz
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Posted - 2004.02.01 01:10:00 -
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Shariona, there is no difference. We're just being honest about what we do.
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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dalman
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Posted - 2004.02.01 01:17:00 -
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Shariona, there is no difference. We're just being honest about what we do.
We're damn honest too.
We take away the POSSIBILITY for people to get something they DO NOT HAVE but want to have.
Skillz and pirates take away something that you ALREADY HAVE and don't want to loose. (your ship and modules, or isk)
M.I.A. since 2004-07-30 |
Riddari
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Posted - 2004.02.01 01:19:00 -
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Shariona, there is no difference. We're just being honest about what we do.
There is a difference and we don't do the same things... hence difference
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Skillz
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Posted - 2004.02.01 02:01:00 -
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But Shariona, I want one of those images where you cross over a pirate but I want one with 938 teletubbies.
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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Ichabod Dirange
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Posted - 2004.02.01 02:11:00 -
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To comment dalmans self-righteous comments here, those who don't have the power yet but are mistreated by those at the top who just can't handle their public relations as well as they hurl missiles, there's still the cunning aspect to take into account.
Join the gangbang of any of those forces the minute they seem to loose their footing and be prepared to sell your current ally down river the moment they starts disrespecting you. If you only remain consistant and have a solid case of abused trust people will take your side as we all like to see those powerhouses fall.
Just look at Omega, they came out alright joining Curse at a time they felt Stain had gotten complacant and by fighting alongside Evolution had drawn down the wrath of the combined pirate herd upon Stain and later Fountain.
If you can't be a power to be reckoned with be the best turncoat you can!
Drunken rant over, 30k for spiced wine, awww c'mon!
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dalman
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Posted - 2004.02.01 03:08:00 -
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Edited by: dalman on 01/02/2004 03:15:00
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To comment dalmans self-righteous comments here, those who don't have the power yet but are mistreated by those at the top who just can't handle their public relations as well as they hurl missiles, there's still the cunning aspect to take into account.
Join the gangbang of any of those forces the minute they seem to loose their footing and be prepared to sell your current ally down river the moment they starts disrespecting you. If you only remain consistant and have a solid case of abused trust people will take your side as we all like to see those powerhouses fall.
Just look at Omega, they came out alright joining Curse at a time they felt Stain had gotten complacant and by fighting alongside Evolution had drawn down the wrath of the combined pirate herd upon Stain and later Fountain.
If you can't be a power to be reckoned with be the best turncoat you can!
Drunken rant over, 30k for spiced wine, awww c'mon!
I think I can garantee you that we already "had drawn down the wrath of the combined pirate herd upon Stain" a long time ago.
We were travelling all across the universe to kill pirates in systems such as fd-mlj and Obe. Something that the lawful players in these areas greatly appricated. And remember m3g4 got quite a spanking of SA in the early days...
And earlier we (at least almost everyone) always asked intruders to leave nicely before any shooting.
And we did infact replace some losses.
And most corps could very easily recieve hunting passes for the stain region for free (no mining, but access to make good money and loot from chaining).
However, such things are simply NOT POSSIBLE now with our war with CA. And all alliances are in the same position.
What happened to OC were very unfortunate. I respect most of their members. But it was absolutely not like what you stated above. OC were given the option to follow what was decided in the CEO-council, leave the alliance freely, or be considered enemy. They chosed the last one.
Want to hear something ironic? Most of the corps that formed CA disliked SA because of us locking down a region. So what did they do themself?
*edit*
Oh, and another note. Long time ago, before the "baby-roid" bug/problem hit EVE, we were also allowing corps to mine in the regions below EVE. At that time, those corps could mine bistot very close to stations in an area where they didn't have to worry at all about being attacked by pirates.
M.I.A. since 2004-07-30 |
Jash Illian
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Posted - 2004.02.01 06:23:00 -
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What is the diffrents between those corperations and piratcorps.
well. short answer ... There is no difference"
you will hear all sorts of excuses, but basically Corps that seal of a region in space are pirates in every aspect... they didnt build the jumpgates to the system they now claim "rightfully" theirs now, did they?
so, yes, they are pirates, and should be treated that way.
so , basically whats happening up in fountain is a war amongst pirates... and i do not dare to call who the good and who the bad pirate is
Might Makes Right
To the Victors Go the Spoils
Do Not Ask For That Which You Cannot Take
History Is Written By the Victors
I could go on. But it boils down to a single fact and woe is Eve when people figure it out: Politics come after the guns fall silent
edited out the RL politics -Eris Discordia
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Tos' Lavoch
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Posted - 2004.02.01 09:36:00 -
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You've got to love EVE politics
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Silex D'Arden
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Posted - 2004.02.01 13:35:00 -
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Look, blocking off systems, putting up blockades, charing tolls across systems, kill any trespassers, this is what makes a game like this great. ROLEPLAYING. I mean it justs adds more substance to the game. Some people like being in a corporation, some like the pirate side of life, others are just explorers, free traders, miners, and the like. Everyone plays for different reasons and if that means there are some areas you're not able to go into with out risk of loosing ship or life then so be it, it all adds to the game. GOD I LOVE THIS GAME!
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Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2004.02.01 16:26:00 -
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Please do not discuss real politics on these forums. Thank you
I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2004.02.01 17:21:00 -
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Please do not discuss real politics on these forums. Thank you
Out of interest, why not? Even if it is to give a historical background - Eve was created by old eath settlers who must of left their history behind after the Gate blew up - surely giving examples out of history to enforce a theory is something that can only add to the debate? Agreed, we can't argue over it, however that doesn't mean it can't be used as an example, does it?
After all, Life IS politics!
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Orestes
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Posted - 2004.02.01 17:27:00 -
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[quoteOut of interest, why not? Even if it is to give a historical background - Eve was created by old eath settlers who must of left their history behind after the Gate blew up - surely giving examples out of history to enforce a theory is something that can only add to the debate? Agreed, we can't argue over it, however that doesn't mean it can't be used as an example, does it?
After all, Life IS politics!
All discussion on real life politics degenerate into troll infested flamefests. This is a fact of life on forums and we have seen in the past that it is impossible to hold reasonable debates about RL politics without the degeneration of threads. It was decided that we would disallow politics discussions, wether relevant to the eve world or not.
I don't want to de-rail this thread, so if you or anyone else have more questions about this, e-mail us at [email protected] and we'll answer happily.
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