Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 [10] :: one page |
|
Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
KIATolon
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
|
Posted - 2007.08.06 12:19:00 -
[271]
Originally by: Celeste DeVall
"I thought you should be ratting in delve by now, or better some months ago :-)"
Well, I'm ratting in Delve now. Quite nice here.
hahahaha
|
Otanes
Tua mater
|
Posted - 2007.08.06 13:19:00 -
[272]
Originally by: ZiYauRen Ok... i'll likely get chewed on in corp for this post but hey. I almost never post in forums so i'll say my piece. In White Rabbit Ore in case it doesn't show n someone takes offense at that.
I read the whole thing and despite the bias he has some good points and assumptions. The idea here, however, is to point out a couple things he actually missed.
First off its not over and Bob likely isn't dead just yet. In spite of the fact that they are overextended and in a forced retreat they could regroup and do a breakout at some point. Thats expensive and unlikely to work without reinforcements from allies. So you guys pushin m back should watch ur flanks... could make for a nasty surprise.
Aside from that the idea that Bob is valiant or somehow going to win because they are outnumbered but somehow superior is pure bull. They are outnumbered because they have already lost the propoganda war. They are trying to retreat and regroup there too. They don't have grass roots support.
Bear with me a bit... the practical and useful 'missed' part is coming... honest :}
Lets do some math and explain what Bob actually is. An alliance with 10 corp members. Tin Foil is the executor corp with 39 members and holds over 90% of Bob settlements. Four other corps hold around 90% of Bobs membership. only one corp besides Bob has taxes over 10%. The 39 members of Bob must be strongly committed because there taxes are 100%. One other is 80%. Most of their pilots are not into economics and are out there fighting when they can. Thier current viable conquest territory is flanked by empire and has a hostile front closing on them which leaves them little room for expansion and growth. They are prosecuting an expensive war.
So you have a handful of capable highly committed guys who have momentum and must keep it going. Without they are finished.
What does this mean? Well... now we come to the reason for this and the practical part. Today my CEO was attacked and pod killed by a Bob pilot in Gehi... no big deal ... happens all the time right? Problem is our corp and alliance has a deal w/bob. The pilots excuse was that he wasn't blue to him. How convenient. Even when told he demanded implants n pod killed when refused. Either Bobs admin sux or they can't be trusted. That is also not the only instance of such behaviour lately and it seems Bob 'doesn't notice' it.
Look at those numbers again and do the math. What will these pilots do when bored, no pvp available, or think no one will notice. If you want to do your people a favor pull your support from Bob or don't give it and make a deal giving you at least quasi independence when the opposition shows. They need to keep such deals to get more. You are not gonna like what happens if/when Bob has all the cards and their pilots are bored. Thats a lot of bored pilots with only occasional supervision and apparently not a lot of self discipline.
This is the time to turn the tables and save your people a lot of grief. Do you really think those guys will be happy just running missions once your area is secure and you are reduced to pos monkeys and cash cows?
JUst a thot :}
Quoting this for hilarity
|
Celeste DeVall
Darksaber Technologies FREGE Alliance
|
Posted - 2007.08.06 14:36:00 -
[273]
WTS ratting rights in Delve region. Prices and systems negotiable. Feel free to contact me through eve mail for quotes and available systems.
|
Maksiim
Doom and Gloom
|
Posted - 2007.08.06 14:39:00 -
[274]
Originally by: Celeste DeVall WTS ratting rights in Delve region. Prices and systems negotiable. Feel free to contact me through eve mail for quotes and available systems.
Taxi for Celeste DeNublet.
|
Celeste DeVall
Darksaber Technologies FREGE Alliance
|
Posted - 2007.08.06 15:14:00 -
[275]
Edited by: Celeste DeVall on 06/08/2007 15:15:16 "Taxi for Celeste DeNublet."
If you want to send me home, you're free to come down to Delve region and send me and my alliance mates packing.
|
Maksiim
Doom and Gloom
|
Posted - 2007.08.06 15:16:00 -
[276]
Originally by: Celeste DeVall ..i like npc...no shooty me i is carebear....
Embarrassing yourself.
|
Celeste DeVall
Darksaber Technologies FREGE Alliance
|
Posted - 2007.08.06 15:20:00 -
[277]
"Originally by: Celeste DeVall..i like npc...no shooty me i is carebear...."
"Embarrassing yourself."
Misquoting people. Discrediting yourself.
|
Torshin
Prophets Of a Damned Universe
|
Posted - 2007.08.06 15:37:00 -
[278]
Originally by: Celeste DeVall WTS ratting rights in Delve region. Prices and systems negotiable. Feel free to contact me through eve mail for quotes and available systems.
delve has NPC stations, therefore there is no need to buy ratting rights. -------------------------------------------
Backdoor Bandit - Unofficial leader of the new 'Post with your main or STFU' campaign. I'm Shinra and I'm the champion of Eve. |
Maksiim
Doom and Gloom
|
Posted - 2007.08.06 15:40:00 -
[279]
Edited by: Maksiim on 06/08/2007 15:40:03
Originally by: Torshin Delve has NPC stations, therefore there is no need to buy ratting rights.
WHAT? But they have...like...services......BUILT IN
|
Popperr
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
|
Posted - 2007.08.06 15:56:00 -
[280]
Originally by: Maksiim Edited by: Maksiim on 06/08/2007 15:40:03
Originally by: Torshin Delve has NPC stations, therefore there is no need to buy ratting rights.
WHAT? But they have...like...services......BUILT IN
Don't you see, now that they have returned to NPC space and given up defending POS we have unleashed their true power.
|
|
Princess Jodi
Vendetta Underground Rule of Three
|
Posted - 2007.08.06 18:56:00 -
[281]
What we are seeing is the Karma of Bob's previous 'holier than thou' attitude comming back to haunt them. For years we heard Bob claim superiority, state that they would control all of 0.0, dismiss all others as sub-human noobs and take credit for cleverness in using tactics that turn into exploits later. What that did is polarize Eve into those Pro-Bob, those Anti-Bob and those who stay out of alliance politics alltogether.
The problem is that as Bob started its conquests it made more people mad than it made happy. Even those who wished to remain neutral were forced to favor one side. After all, if Bob's aim is to control all of 0.0 you can't really be an alliance unless you are on one side or the other.
Bob's war machine did an excellent job of validating the claims of its propaganda machine for quite some time. It is now, when the war machine can't keep up its record, that the real test comes. As mentioned, it is the Pets who are receiving the brunt of the damage so far. Now that the Pets require help per their contract with Bob - and most importantly that Bob does not seem able to fufill its end of the contract - that the Cascade Failure is about to start.
|
Phillipe DeKeer
Gallente White Rabbit Ore
|
Posted - 2007.08.06 19:20:00 -
[282]
Edited by: Phillipe DeKeer on 06/08/2007 19:25:13 Edited by: Phillipe DeKeer on 06/08/2007 19:22:58 Edited by: Phillipe DeKeer on 06/08/2007 19:22:07
Originally by: Otanes
Originally by: ZiYauRen Ok... i'll likely get chewed on in corp for this post but hey. I almost never post in forums so i'll say my piece. In White Rabbit Ore in case it doesn't show n someone takes offense at that.
I read the whole thing and despite the bias he has some good points and assumptions. The idea here, however, is to point out a couple things he actually missed.
First off its not over and Bob likely isn't dead just yet. In spite of the fact that they are overextended and in a forced retreat they could regroup and do a breakout at some point. Thats expensive and unlikely to work without reinforcements from allies. So you guys pushin m back should watch ur flanks... could make for a nasty surprise.
Aside from that the idea that Bob is valiant or somehow going to win because they are outnumbered but somehow superior is pure bull. They are outnumbered because they have already lost the propoganda war. They are trying to retreat and regroup there too. They don't have grass roots support.
Bear with me a bit... the practical and useful 'missed' part is coming... honest :}
Lets do some math and explain what Bob actually is. An alliance with 10 corp members. Tin Foil is the executor corp with 39 members and holds over 90% of Bob settlements. Four other corps hold around 90% of Bobs membership. only one corp besides Bob has taxes over 10%. The 39 members of Bob must be strongly committed because there taxes are 100%. One other is 80%. Most of their pilots are not into economics and are out there fighting when they can. Thier current viable conquest territory is flanked by empire and has a hostile front closing on them which leaves them little room for expansion and growth. They are prosecuting an expensive war.
So you have a handful of capable highly committed guys who have momentum and must keep it going. Without they are finished.
What does this mean? Well... now we come to the reason for this and the practical part. Today my CEO was attacked and pod killed by a Bob pilot in Gehi... no big deal ... happens all the time right? Problem is our corp and alliance has a deal w/bob. The pilots excuse was that he wasn't blue to him. How convenient. Even when told he demanded implants n pod killed when refused. Either Bobs admin sux or they can't be trusted. That is also not the only instance of such behaviour lately and it seems Bob 'doesn't notice' it.
Look at those numbers again and do the math. What will these pilots do when bored, no pvp available, or think no one will notice. If you want to do your people a favor pull your support from Bob or don't give it and make a deal giving you at least quasi independence when the opposition shows. They need to keep such deals to get more. You are not gonna like what happens if/when Bob has all the cards and their pilots are bored. Thats a lot of bored pilots with only occasional supervision and apparently not a lot of self discipline.
This is the time to turn the tables and save your people a lot of grief. Do you really think those guys will be happy just running missions once your area is secure and you are reduced to pos monkeys and cash cows?
JUst a thot :}
Quoting this for hilarity
Otanes, you seem to find it funny, please enlighten us on exactly which aspect of this assesment you find factually wrong, or in error. Please also back it up with fact, that way we know that you know what you're talking about.
Mirax Arneau, -WRO
|
Elmer Phud
Black Eclipse Corp
|
Posted - 2007.08.06 19:38:00 -
[283]
Originally by: Celeste DeVall
"I thought you should be ratting in delve by now, or better some months ago :-)"
Well, I'm ratting in Delve now. Quite nice here.
Well you already have the SS and cloak down.
If you speak the proper foreign language perhaps you can get a job or maybe just set up your own shop.
|
Fzoul
KAOS. KA0S Theory
|
Posted - 2007.08.06 20:21:00 -
[284]
Quote: In fact, the Tribune has done so well in covering the last three weeks of BoB losses that I would like to quote its coverage of the eastern front, in its entirety, right here:
"BoB and Goon are still going tooth and nail over in the west, with really not much change."
Nice job, guys. But I think YACAODI1MAC will take it from here.
ahahahahaahahahah!
I see what you did there...
|
Blue Medusa
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
|
Posted - 2007.08.06 22:53:00 -
[285]
Originally by: Yorda
Hey BoB keep changing those goal posts and your players won't know where to kick the ball!
BoB: "We didn't want those goal posts that far east anyways" ---
pop! goes the tackler |
LePrince
Altera Odyssea Tau Ceti Federation
|
Posted - 2007.08.07 02:10:00 -
[286]
Originally by: Phelan Lore Choo choo?
Yes Sir.
|
|
|
|
Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 [10] :: one page |
First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |