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Savvon
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Posted - 2007.08.05 09:58:00 -
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Edited by: Savvon on 05/08/2007 09:59:23
Nice website.
As a webmaster myself, I use Google ads because I stand behind Google and their constant fight for internet freedom. They are the number one opponent against the US government in fighting the government and corporations for controlled content over the internet.
Without great companies like Google that fight for no names like ourselves, the internet would be controlled just like any other media.
What that means is, I will never do anything that hurts Google and that includes taking their ads down.
Sorry.
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Savvon
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Posted - 2007.08.05 11:42:00 -
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Edited by: Savvon on 05/08/2007 11:43:18
I love it when I have to defend a simple opinion.
I love a good conspiracy as much as the next guy, but you have to know what to trust and what not to trust.
Scorpyn ū No, I have not seen the link you posted. That site seems to be a little dated and looks like they are having some difficulties presently.
Akita T ū Actually I have kept on top of current google issues. If Google (or any company) listened to the mob mentality general public and did everything the mob wanted, then they would not be in the position they are in. That position is fighting for your internet freedom. Also, comparing them to MSĘs business model, you apparently need to do some more research on the subject. Use Google to educate you on the topic.
Zarin ū This is what I meant when I was talking about mob mentality. People make a blanketed statement with absolutely no link, back up or even a little story on a blog to back it up. Eve is so small compared to Google that Google probably does not even know CCP exists. No offence CCP.
Curzon Dax - You have to purchase product for the webmaster to get profit. /rolls eyes
Nyphur - Do realize that Shattered Crystal has adverts through Google ads? It is how I found them.
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Savvon
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Posted - 2007.08.05 14:53:00 -
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 Originally by: Akita T
You're making less and less sense by each post you make.
That is because you do not understand the basics of website advertisements.
I would write you an introductory guide on the subject, but I think we both know that would be wasted time.
As far as my comment to the OP, yes of course I meant it. He is actually trying to take business away from one source to enhance his own. How most of you missed this easy to spot tactic is beyond me.
Did I mention I found Shattered Crystal through Google Ads?
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Savvon
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Posted - 2007.08.05 15:06:00 -
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Originally by: Wild Rho
Thye won't get banned for clicking that link, but they could very well get banned for making use of such a "service", in the end it's the same result.
Yes, I know this. However, the OP did not word it in such a way.
He is trying to convince us:
1. Google ads = bad
2. Ads on his website = Good
He would of had better results if he just advertised his site in my opinion.
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Savvon
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Posted - 2007.08.06 03:32:00 -
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Edited by: Savvon on 06/08/2007 03:33:52
Nyphur,
There is nothing in your thread I do not understand. No matter how much you try to explain what you are doing, it comes off as GOOGLE = BAD. In very bad form I might ad.
Unfortunately, CCP stands behind the idea that not allowing Google Ads on fan sites will help cut ISK selling down. No matter how idiotic I think that move is and will hurt CCP more then help them, it is not up to me.
You talk about community support like you are doing the community a grand justice.
How about this for community support:
STOP BUYING ISK EVE COMMUNITY!!!
It has absolutely nothing to do with Google ads and it is pure hypocrisy for CCP to not allow fan sites to have Google ads on their site especially when CCP has EVE-ONLINE ads with Google ads!
*Edit
Lord XSiV - Insulting me still does not hold you exempt from the fact that you have no idea what you are talking about. May I suggest using Google to better educate yourself on the topic?
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Savvon
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Posted - 2007.08.06 04:04:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur
I guess I was wrong about the maturity level. Never mind ^^;.
Making an insultive comment on my maturity level does not deter from the fact that you are misguiding people with false information.
Everyone here can call me names, insult me, send me in game Eve mails with threats and try to kill me while I mine because I am doing what I feel is right and that is to inform the uninformed.
You can type smoothly and make wrong actions seem right, but the simple fact is that your cause is against my better judgment and no matter how much you try to spin your idea and try to wreck my credibility, I will never support a cause as ignorant as this.
You want to help the community? Stop buying ISK, tell people to stop buying ISK, make STOP BUYING ISK posters/banners/adverts, make a podcast and talk about the harms buying ISK can do.
And you guys call me immature. /boggle
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Savvon
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Posted - 2007.08.06 04:58:00 -
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Thom Daranta,
You said:
There is an Italian company with multiple "portals" in different languages that is an Affiliate. Their sole content is Google Adsense ads, displayed in various languages. Not one of those languages is one that is predominantly spoken in countries my fiance will ship to.
What Italian company do you refer?
I have traveled between 9 countries in the last 5 years and Google AdĘs run not only on your OP systems language (English in my case) but also from the IP range you are surfing from. This is easily deterred by going into Google preferences and changing your personal preferences. After you do that, the ads will be shown in the language of choice.
You said:
Those who click on those links leave abandoned orders on her website all the time.
How can you know this? You are telling me that everyone that clicks on the Google Ad links leave abandoned orders. For you to acquire such accurate information about the customer is breaking many privacy privileges of the customer. Or you are just exaggerating a tad. I believe that customers leave abandoned orders (after all, they are people), but blaming Google Ads seems a little silly.
You said:
Google has yet to answer a single query about how to prevent this.
You sure about this? Out of the possible millions of queries a day Google probably gets, not one has been addressed? Not a single one? Wow.
You said:
Comes down to it that Google no longer cares about the impact they have on the little guy.
This is your opinion. As is the rest of your post that follows it.
Xanstin: I did a Google search for you.
http://www.davesite.com/webstation/net-history.shtml <---go here
You will see that the government had their dirty little fingers in it, but only played a very small part in creating the internet. In fact, they are still trying to get control of it.
If you want to disagree with my opinion, fine. However, could you do it with less irritants? Thank you.
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Savvon
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Posted - 2007.08.06 05:23:00 -
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Originally by: Xanstin
Edited by: Xanstin on 06/08/2007 05:17:25
Thanks savvon, you proved my point pretty much exactly. ARPA was funded by the department of defence. The internet was born of government money, unless you consider DoD to be non-governmental.
Your miner post pretty much had me going to be honest, but you've outed yourself as a troll here. I don't think you've ever read the subject matter you linked me to.
EDIT because my grammar sucked.
You might want to re-read my responses here because your point has nothing to do with my original point. If you read my responses in their entirety, you will see what point I was making.
As far as my miner post...what does that have to do with the topic here?
And Nypher,
That is very funny! lol
However, using trollic comedy (which is funny) does not validate your points. Only entertains the trolls. 
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Savvon
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Posted - 2007.08.06 07:59:00 -
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Akita T,
I find it amusing every time you (of all people) call others ignorant and misinformed.
The only person who has presented any FAQ is me. You (and a few others here) have done nothing but insult me and try pathetic fallacies in hopes to derail my point.
fortunately for you, the ignorance of the internet is on your side.
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Savvon
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Posted - 2007.08.06 08:17:00 -
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Originally by: hango
Be careful what you do there - if Google suspects clickfraud they'll gank his account very quickly, and the appeals process consists of an automated "we're sorry, now go away" message.
According to Nyphur's original post, it would be CCP banning his account and saying "we're sorry, now go away" for clicking on Google Ads on a Eve-Online fan site.
This is one of the reasons I do not support this move and is the main reason I am getting so much heat on these forums.
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Savvon
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Posted - 2007.08.06 08:34:00 -
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Unlike you (a person who thinks his opinion is fact), I actually use the words Nyphur used.
Nyphur said, and I quote:
Given that people who use them unwittingly (not knowing that it's against the EULA) may be banned, that kind of hard line rule will serve to protect more people than it will annoy.
This is not a fact. This is a scare monger tactic plain and simple.
You are so hell bent on fighting with me your reasoning is non-existent.
So I will tell you what I am going to do. I will let you have the last word (insult probably). I will also let all you think I am the ignorant one and have no clue what I am talking about. Believe whatever mythology you wish to.
In the meantime, I suggest you write CCP and ask them to pull their ads from Google Ads for some might think it would be a tad bit hypocrytical not letting others use Google Ads when Eve-Online is advertised through Google Ads.
I have tried to get it through your hate. I do not know what else to say to make it anymore clear. 
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Savvon
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Posted - 2007.08.06 08:45:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur
where's the problem?
The problem is you are constantly telling me I do not understand what you meant.
The fact is, I know exactly what you meant. Sorry I can read through all the fluff.
I admire that you are promoting your website, but come on! Is this the only way you can raise money from it? By bashing Google Ads with misinformation?
If you do not like Google, so be it. However, give the people some facts, not overblown "CNN style" information.
I donate to another Eve website because they give me information that is valuable to me and they do not use Google Ads. Tell me, why should I donate to your website? Most of the content is out of date. Not a flame, seriously asking.
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Savvon
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Posted - 2007.08.06 08:53:00 -
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So we've covered the 'how' but what about the 'why'? Using the above three systems should definitely replace the cash lost through dilligently filtering your google ads and should replace most of the cash lost from removing them entirely. I reccomend complete removal as being dilligent enough to update the filter as soon as a new site pops up is going to take up far too much of people's time. The primary reason to remove the ads is that they directly support RMT and thus directly support disruptive isk-farmers in-game. The more websites that remove their ads, the less money the isk farmers will make. It's just that simple.
Another major reason or two are discussed by CCP PR & Communications Director Pann in this forum thread. Websites that host isk-selling adverts will not be allowed into the official fansite list and hopefully will not be allowed to be linked at all on the forums, in a signature or in public channels in-game. I'd like people to show support for the idea that links to websites containing isk-selling ads should not be allowed in public areas in eve in order to discourage spreading of those websites. Given that people who use them unwittingly (not knowing that it's against the EULA) may be banned, that kind of hard line rule will serve to protect more people than it will annoy.
Comprehend the underlined bold.
These are the opinions that are wrong, misleading and hurts CCP more then it would help. You will notice everything I underlined and bolded (I didn't correct spelling)are not facts but opinions.
I disagree with this and I believe that both sides of the situation should be heard so people can make their own intelligent decision on their own.
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Savvon
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Posted - 2007.08.06 09:00:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
He's speaking from personal experience.
ARE YOU ?
First of all, talking to you is like talking to an angry wall.
So I will start giving you answers that you can comprehend and not twist around.
Answer:
Yes.
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Savvon
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Posted - 2007.08.06 09:05:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Read the edit. THEN reply.
Answer:
Yes.
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Savvon
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Posted - 2007.08.06 09:21:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur
If you're not going to give reasons why the underlined sections are wrong, anti-google or anti-ccp, I'm just going to shoot your post down without addressing those sections.
It's unfortunate that you've decided to read some kind of anti-google and anti-ccp sentiment into what I've written and I'm frankly baffled by it as that was not the intent at all.
I gave you the reasons why the underlined sections are wrong. From my first post no less.
You want me to write an essay to show you what you already know? Waste of time if you ask me. I figured you to be more intelligent then that.
I did not decide to turn this thread into an anti-Google campaign. You did by trying to take business away from Google. How can you say it was not your intent to "bash" Google. It is the main reason of this topic. No wonder why you think I do not understand what you wrote. You seem to have trouble grasping your own text.
I ask again since you dodged the question with your pretty Photoshop skills: Why should anyone donate to your site? What service do you provide?
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