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ImmortaL ZoorZ
Cruoris Seraphim
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Posted - 2007.08.05 10:43:00 -
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Im just finishing maxing out my drone skills and as the nos nerf will give HAC's a second life I was wondering how you'd set yours up for PVP?
I can use t2 blaster , tank and drones but I dont fit faction mods to my pvp ships unless its capital. |
Ryysa
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.08.05 10:47:00 -
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just nano it or get a myrm...
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ImmortaL ZoorZ
Cruoris Seraphim
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Posted - 2007.08.05 10:47:00 -
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 Originally by: Ryysa
just nano it or get a myrm...
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Mathias Orsen
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Posted - 2007.08.05 11:15:00 -
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well then, if you don't want the ishtar for it's speed, do like the man said and get a myrm.
more damage and better tank. Not to mention the price difference.
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ImmortaL ZoorZ
Cruoris Seraphim
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Posted - 2007.08.05 11:32:00 -
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So there no point tanking it then may aswel buy a deimos or myrm =(
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Maddiganed
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Posted - 2007.08.05 11:43:00 -
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Yes nano Ishtar or go for a Myrmidon...
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n0thing
omen.
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Posted - 2007.08.05 13:56:00 -
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Originally by: ImmortaL ZoorZ
So there no point tanking it then may aswel buy a deimos or myrm =(
There is point. If I would pick between 2 ships for long-range solo in 0.0 and both would be mandatory to be armor tanked, Id pick Ishtar.
In myrmi, catching you is peace of cake. With 5 heavy drones in bay, your trip ends to first inty with reinforcements.
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Astro Teller
Milf Riders
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Posted - 2007.08.05 14:08:00 -
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Originally by: n0thing
Originally by: ImmortaL ZoorZ
So there no point tanking it then may aswel buy a deimos or myrm =(
There is point. If I would pick between 2 ships for long-range solo in 0.0 and both would be mandatory to be armor tanked, Id pick Ishtar.
In myrmi, catching you is peace of cake. With 5 heavy drones in bay, your trip ends to first inty with reinforcements.
if you go solo who puts in 5 heavys? it is 4 heavys and 5 warriors IIs....
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Great Artista
Caldari
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.08.05 14:12:00 -
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Originally by: Astro Teller
if you go solo who puts in 5 heavys? it is 4 heavys and 5 warriors IIs....
Quite many, actually. Since people know the scooplooping. There is no point releasing the drones untill you are touching the opponent.
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Astro Teller
Milf Riders
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Posted - 2007.08.05 15:52:00 -
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Originally by: Great Artista
Originally by: Astro Teller
if you go solo who puts in 5 heavys? it is 4 heavys and 5 warriors IIs....
Quite many, actually. Since people know the scooplooping. There is no point releasing the drones untill you are touching the opponent.
and in the mean time any inty will tackle you until their backup arrives..
but please keep putting in 5 heavys- my tacklers will love you for it.
Astro Teller
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n0thing
omen.
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Posted - 2007.08.05 16:03:00 -
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Originally by: Astro Teller
Originally by: Great Artista
Originally by: Astro Teller
if you go solo who puts in 5 heavys? it is 4 heavys and 5 warriors IIs....
Quite many, actually. Since people know the scooplooping. There is no point releasing the drones untill you are touching the opponent.
and in the mean time any inty will tackle you until their backup arrives..
but please keep putting in 5 heavys- my tacklers will love you for it.
Well, its still easy to loose your wave of drones due to unlucky engagement. While Ishtar can pack 2/2 of heavy/light waves and 1 medium wave.
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slothe
Caldari
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.08.05 16:45:00 -
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i fit 5 heavies in my myrmidon, have had 100+ kills in it. only 1 time i had a problem was when a nano wcs smartbomb rohk attacked me, nuked my drones, warped off and laughed at me.
i take tacklers out using my heavies easily.
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Danari
Amarr
Viper Squad
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.08.06 00:20:00 -
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Originally by: slothe
i take tacklers out using my heavies easily.
I'm sorry but I have to call shenanigans on this. Even in a dictor I have no trouble taking out ogre IIs if the pilot foolishly sends them after me. Tri gangs usually only have a max of maybe 2 ceptors and 1-2 dictors, but if any of us got popped to heavy drones we would catch the ****s on teamspeak for sure.
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Snikkt
Middle Finger Technology
Red Moon Federation
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Posted - 2007.08.06 00:48:00 -
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Whether or not the Ishtar's tank is worse then the Myrm's is debatable. It's resists are pretty damn high. It takes a huge amount of modules on the Myrm to equal the resists, and even then, you've got to sacrifice low slots for it.
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murder one
Gallente
Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2007.08.06 01:34:00 -
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Every time I see anyone comparing the Myrm to the Ishtar I have to laugh. The Myrm is complete garbage for PVP. It's not a drone ship. It can't replace it's drones once they're gone.
An Ishtar with it's MWD will run rings around a Myrm. Keep range, web the enemy drones and pop them while you hold your target down with a 24km scram.
Heavily tanked Myrms are slooooowww with three armor rigs. You're not going to outrun a Cruiser with an MWD. And the Myrm isn't a BS, so it doesn't have the reach with nos/neuts like BS do.
And anyone who thinks they can fend off interceptors with 5x heavy drones is an idiot.
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Kathira
Gallente
Denial of Service
Freelancer Coalition
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Posted - 2007.08.06 13:22:00 -
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The drone layout of my myrmidon is:
Group1
3 large
2 med
Group2
1 med
4 small
all tech 2.
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roadrage639
The Cons
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Posted - 2007.08.06 15:32:00 -
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Use the same nos setup. The nos nerf won't really effect anything to be honest.
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50freefly
Caldari
Karma Kompany
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Posted - 2007.08.06 15:41:00 -
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Originally by: murder one
Every time I see anyone comparing the Myrm to the Ishtar I have to laugh. The Myrm is complete garbage for PVP. It's not a drone ship. It can't replace it's drones once they're gone.
An Ishtar with it's MWD will run rings around a Myrm. Keep range, web the enemy drones and pop them while you hold your target down with a 24km scram.
Heavily tanked Myrms are slooooowww with three armor rigs. You're not going to outrun a Cruiser with an MWD. And the Myrm isn't a BS, so it doesn't have the reach with nos/neuts like BS do.
And anyone who thinks they can fend off interceptors with 5x heavy drones is an idiot.
Anyone who thinks you can always fend off tacklers with warriors is an idiot...
BTW- Dude, get a clue. As much as I would love for the myrm to be boosted (I fly one) I know that it's already freaking overpowered and ccp will nerf it if anything.
Oh, and I loled at your ishtar scenario- ishtar has no way of killing any decent myrm outside 500 meters, as if it sends its drones at it they die.
The idea that any myrm pilot worth crap is going to suicide his drones at you is foolish, at best.
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For reasons that have been lost in the mists of time all caldari ships are designed by two people. One does the left hand side and the other does the right.
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Rigsta
Gallente
Raddick Explorations
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.08.06 15:53:00 -
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Originally by: murder one
Every time I see anyone comparing the Myrm to the Ishtar I have to laugh. The Myrm is complete garbage for PVP. It's not a drone ship. It can't replace it's drones once they're gone.
2 sets of mediums and a set of lights? Just because you can fit 5 heavies into it doesn't mean you should. It's a tactical choice for the pilot to go for replenishable drones or max damage.
Originally by: Jim McGregor
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Alias11
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.08.06 15:55:00 -
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The myrmidon is an astounding ship for empire based pvp and defense ops. The ishtar is much more suited for speed and going deep into enemy territory in 0.0
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Murukan
Minmatar
Infortunatus Eventus
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.08.06 17:07:00 -
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Edited by: Murukan on 06/08/2007 17:08:22
Originally by: murder one
Every time I see anyone comparing the Myrm to the Ishtar I have to laugh. The Myrm is complete garbage for PVP. It's not a drone ship. It can't replace it's drones once they're gone.
An Ishtar with it's MWD will run rings around a Myrm. Keep range, web the enemy drones and pop them while you hold your target down with a 24km scram.
Heavily tanked Myrms are slooooowww with three armor rigs. You're not going to outrun a Cruiser with an MWD. And the Myrm isn't a BS, so it doesn't have the reach with nos/neuts like BS do.
And anyone who thinks they can fend off interceptors with 5x heavy drones is an idiot.
Lol. Apparently murder one is on myrm's now. Wonder when he gets to eos/astartes and claims they need a buff too
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slothe
Caldari
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.08.06 17:56:00 -
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myrm v (non nano) ishtar 1v1
2007.08.05 18:01
Victim:
Alliance: None
Corp:
Destroyed: Ishtar
System: WD-VTV
Security: 0.0
Involved parties:
Name: slothe (laid the final blow)
Security: 1.9
Alliance: None
Corp: 0utbreak
Ship: Myrmidon
Weapon: Ogre II
Name: Sansha's Mutilator / True Power
Destroyed items:
Light Neutron Blaster II, Qty: 2
Antimatter Charge S, Qty: 72
10MN Afterburner II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Medium Armor Repairer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Faint Warp Prohibitor I (Cargo)
Medium Capacitor Booster II (Cargo)
Cap Booster 800, Qty: 3 (Cargo)
Ogre II, Qty: 3 (Cargo)
Medium Secure Container (Cargo)
Hobgoblin II (Drone Bay)
Hammerhead II, Qty: 3 (Drone Bay)
Warrior II (Drone Bay)
Ogre II, Qty: 2 (Drone Bay)
Hornet EC-300, Qty: 3 (Drone Bay)
Berserker SW-900 (Drone Bay)
This was a very close fight, one of the best ive had in ages. i thought id easily win and it came down to the wire, i ended up in 70% structure.
I only lost one drone as i micromanaged.
If you are not nanoing ships the myrmidon is better factoring in - damage / cost / tank.
If you are nanoing then ishtar is the way forward.
I can take out frigs- but only those that come in close. I wouldnt engage frigs that orbit (crow etc).
Its not a big deal that you cant replace drones as you can only fit 5. Ive only had problems twice out of 118 kills in my myrmidon.
Its a great ship. Good for pvp.
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joiBoi
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Posted - 2007.08.06 18:20:00 -
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Can someone post some nano-ishtar setups plz??
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murder one
Gallente
Death of Virtue
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.08.06 18:27:00 -
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Originally by: Murukan
Edited by: Murukan on 06/08/2007 17:08:22
Originally by: murder one
Every time I see anyone comparing the Myrm to the Ishtar I have to laugh. The Myrm is complete garbage for PVP. It's not a drone ship. It can't replace it's drones once they're gone.
An Ishtar with it's MWD will run rings around a Myrm. Keep range, web the enemy drones and pop them while you hold your target down with a 24km scram.
Heavily tanked Myrms are slooooowww with three armor rigs. You're not going to outrun a Cruiser with an MWD. And the Myrm isn't a BS, so it doesn't have the reach with nos/neuts like BS do.
And anyone who thinks they can fend off interceptors with 5x heavy drones is an idiot.
Lol. Apparently murder one is on myrm's now. Wonder when he gets to eos/astartes and claims they need a buff too
I've never flown a Myrm on TQ. For the very reason that it has no backup drones if you're using 5x heavies.
I have/do however fly Astartes/Eos and I think they're great.
And with respect to the original point of your post: f#ck you. 
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Dionisius
Gallente
LEGI0N
SOUL CARTEL
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Posted - 2007.08.06 18:41:00 -
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Originally by: murder one
Originally by: Murukan
Edited by: Murukan on 06/08/2007 17:08:22
Originally by: murder one
Every time I see anyone comparing the Myrm to the Ishtar I have to laugh. The Myrm is complete garbage for PVP. It's not a drone ship. It can't replace it's drones once they're gone.
An Ishtar with it's MWD will run rings around a Myrm. Keep range, web the enemy drones and pop them while you hold your target down with a 24km scram.
Heavily tanked Myrms are slooooowww with three armor rigs. You're not going to outrun a Cruiser with an MWD. And the Myrm isn't a BS, so it doesn't have the reach with nos/neuts like BS do.
And anyone who thinks they can fend off interceptors with 5x heavy drones is an idiot.
Lol. Apparently murder one is on myrm's now. Wonder when he gets to eos/astartes and claims they need a buff too
I've never flown a Myrm on TQ. For the very reason that it has no backup drones if you're using 5x heavies.
I have/do however fly Astartes/Eos and I think they're great.
And with respect to the original point of your post: f#ck you.
Both ships are very good for pvp and any sensible player that fits Heavys on it will micro manage them unless the person is inexperient.
Btw, ur an idiot.
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n0thing
omen.
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Posted - 2007.08.06 19:02:00 -
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Tbh, I also fought all-out T2 ishtar in my rigged myrmi.
He unfortunately for him, went into web range, thus popped when I hit first bits of hull.
Tbh, Myrmidon is easily countered with its 5 heavies. Even a good speed-vexor setup can take out Myrmidon`s drones and then just slowly bite thru. If myrmi in full nosf setup it wont be able to do anything against yr drones.
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