Oh wait...

*on a more serious note, if you are getting ganked you are not being careful enough.

"Enjoy the white noise of mining and relax before heading off to sleep at the end of a long day.

Any suggestions for being more careful besides, (flagging all the baddies in my contacts so i see them is local as soon as they are there) (using a trial account with really low sec status to constantly "kite" concord to the belt) (using another account with a logistics ship to rep your barge).....i'm serious if anyone has any good ideas or ways for the common miner to actually mine, please do tell :)

Mine in systems that are not near trade hubs
Mine in large systems at remote belts (off the transit paths)
Keep aligned ot a safe spot or station at at 75% speed (you back peddle when nobody is around)
Pay attention to local and your D-scan
If you must jet-can, do so at a nearby safespot rather than in the belt
Mine from the 'back side' of the belt from common approach vectors to put the asteroids between you and the enemy.
Change systems often, change belts often, don't be predictable.

I know it sounds like work, but most people are looking for easy kills.

free minerals

^this

Mining isnt for players with A.D.D.,..and based n the many complaints on mining here, Id say that's the majority of you.

I actually enjoy mining. It's relaxing. Mine the ore. Build it up then ship it all for a nice price or use it for your own manufacturing. So I dont know what all the complaining is about.

man! i gotta find out where you are mining so i stop loosing so many barges!

Hahahahaha! Awesome, totally gonna try that,....now i know why i haven't been sleeping well lately, its because I'm not doing this before bed ritual!

You can also just do that once on sisi, - and record the audio. Take the recorded track, loop it for an hour or two, save the loop...and just play back when ever you're having trouble getting to sleep ;)

And when I need to wake up in the morning on time, i can change my alarm sound to the sound of my barges blowing up repeatedly! hehehe

I think that to give us miners a little more of a chance, they should somehow alert local when a criminal or security threat enters a system. (ie. red bar and threat name in local ) Because having to loose a barge or two just to learn who the threats are in High Security, doesn't seem reasonable. Every second counts in this game, and that will help us non AFK miners out that extra bit.

And when I need to wake up in the morning on time, i can change my alarm sound to the sound of my barges blowing up repeatedly! hehehe

I think that to give us miners a little more of a chance, they should somehow alert local when a criminal or security threat enters a system. (ie. red bar and threat name in local ) Because having to loose a barge or two just to learn who the threats are in High Security, doesn't seem reasonable. Every second counts in this game, and that will help us non AFK miners out that extra bit.

Do remember to give a good duration for the critical shield, armor & hull alarms!

I actually enjoy mining. It's relaxing. Mine the ore. Build it up then ship it all for a nice price or use it for your own manufacturing. So I dont know what all the complaining is about.

I think that to give us miners a little more of a chance, they should somehow alert local when a criminal or security threat enters a system. (ie. red bar and threat name in local ) Because having to loose a barge or two just to learn who the threats are in High Security, doesn't seem reasonable. Every second counts in this game, and that will help us non AFK miners out that extra bit.

man! i gotta find out where you are mining so i stop loosing so many barges!

Without a good population of miners, ship prices would skyrocket over time.

If I were a miner I get all my fellow miners together and strike just to see these people drip like taps because there are hardly any ships and equipment to buy, and the few that are on the market are too expensive.

Understand the EVE NEEDS MINERS!! Anyone who doesn't understand this is not very clever.

Mining is kinda fun, I trained my PI character to mine some roids, so I can build ships for myself... from free minerals

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opportunity_cost

Those minerals aren't free, they cost as much as the difference between what you make mining, and what you could have made spending the same amount of time doing something less worthless. One hour of incursions is worth, at a rough estimate, 5-10 hours of highsec mining.

Or you can just chill about economic theories and do what you like

I like how you admitted you were trolling then didn't stop. Well played, sir.

That's what I did. It was a bad decision. I'm here to help people not make the same mistake.

And I'm here to ridicule your choice of the pitiful little trinkle of ISKies from Incursions as a measurement stick for opportunity cost

Scam, steal or make lottery or whatever you can do to make as much as isk as possible with as little effort as possible- if that is your goal in EVE. I know it's not my goal, and probably not for many others either.

What is the point of mining?

Personally, I think the whole mining industry needs reworking, especially to remove its AFK-ness.

I realise that some people like that style of play, and I'm not trying to force you to play it "my way", but I find it hard to believe that a game designer would intentionally design a game that can be played while you're not there - that's not you playing, it's the computer playing.

They want you at your keyboard, interacting with the game, and, in the case of an MMO, preferably interacting with other players.
(This is not directed at those miners who get together for a good ol' yarn; that is player interaction.)

I can think of 3 types of miner:

1. The beginner who thinks that mining is a quick, easy way to get a bit of ISK;
2. Those who are genuinely interested in industry and the chain of production;
3. Those who only adopt it because it's something they can do while watching TV / reading a book.

The first two should be encouraged with engaging, rewarding gameplay, because they're actively interacting with the universe; the last one just doesn't seem valid for an online MMO. Whether or not it should be outright banned, or just made less rewarding, or any of a dozen other solutions, I couldn't say.

Incursions are a useful measuring stick because they're safe, easy, and everybody can do them. Obviously not everybody has the initiative to get into more advanced income streams.

If someone has a goal which is expensive, then mining is a bad way to reach it. And to a miner, pretty much everything is expensive.

Two simple fixes I see for mining.

1. cloaky exhumer, made like cloaky haulers. Gimp the mining out some, but give the ability to hide and run.

2. nerfbat dronepoop and module reprocessing, unless you have some serious skills to back it up. I'm talking, cut it 90-95%


Put those two things in, and bang, mining becomes a profession again.

You people are so adorable. Most minerals come from drone regions and mission loot, not miners. The game is in no way reliant on mining, and if mining were stopped completely the economy would keep running just fine.

You people are so adorable. Most minerals come from drone regions and mission loot, not miners. The game is in no way reliant on mining, and if mining were stopped completely the economy would keep running just fine.


There is no reason to mine. A handful of people actually like it, and a very few people run massively-multiboxed setups in 0.0 and actually make some money, but for the average joe it's a terrible idea. High-ish risk, very low profit. Need mins? Spend an hour doing incursions, buy 3x as much as you would have gotten from mining, and pay red frog to move them. Use the left over isk to buy a thorax, and go gank a hulk just so you can laugh at the poor dumb scrubs that fly them.

At this point in the history of this game I honestly do not understand why anyone would want to mine or train all the skills to become good at mining. Where ever you go in EvE these days, it seems itGÇÖs just a matter of time before being harassed in some way weather its suicide ganking or people stealing from your jet can it just seems like you really end up losing more isk then you can makeGǪ..sooooo what is the point? Loose a few MacGÇÖs get kill rights on some guys that suicide ganked youGǪ.now what? Try and kill them with an industrial character that isnGÇÖt trained for PvP? Oh oh no thatGÇÖs right put a BOUNTY on them! Yea thatGÇÖs it, so then the guy that ganked you and his buddy can fly to 0.0 and blow up a cheap ship to split the isk you just put on his head. The whole mining aspect of this game just seems broken and pointless to me and with the amount of obvious MACROING going on out there itGÇÖs no surprise to me that EvE is losing subscribers and CCP is laying off employeesGǪ..WAIT WAIT! Mining can be fun! Just train up some more alts to be logi pilots so they can constantly remote rep your ship and maybe you will be able to hold out against those suicide gankers! lol


o.k so now that I have made my smart ass comments, please please give me yours

I'd be interested in seeing stats about reprocessing.

How much of the output comes from Ore, modules, drone poo, and so on.

Even halfway-decent L3 missions earn significantly more ISK than mining (in highsec, at any rate), and are arguably more stimulating.

I have a mining character myself, but at the moment I only log it in to mine with a group of pilots who just want to relax and socialize, and/or who have nothing better to do for a while. It's a way to do something productive without paying much attention.

I don't even think it's a good profession for brand-new players GÇö just the opposite, because training for a Mackinaw or Hulk (or any mining barge, really) and a decent ISK/hour ratio is a serious waste of time. Much better to train for running missions, since the skills needed overlap somewhat with skills needed for Incursions, PvP and so on. Make a handful of billions and then buy a mining character from the Character Bazaar, if you really want to go that route.

Is this a problem? Not really. Just do something other than mining.