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Rhonda Monty
Temporal Progeny
Eonian Alliance
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Posted - 2012.01.13 03:34:00 -
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At this point in the history of this game I honestly do not understand why anyone would want to mine or train all the skills to become good at mining. Where ever you go in EvE these days, it seems itGÇÖs just a matter of time before being harassed in some way weather its suicide ganking or people stealing from your jet can it just seems like you really end up losing more isk then you can makeGǪ..sooooo what is the point? Loose a few MacGÇÖs get kill rights on some guys that suicide ganked youGǪ.now what? Try and kill them with an industrial character that isnGÇÖt trained for PvP? Oh oh no thatGÇÖs right put a BOUNTY on them! Yea thatGÇÖs it, so then the guy that ganked you and his buddy can fly to 0.0 and blow up a cheap ship to split the isk you just put on his head. The whole mining aspect of this game just seems broken and pointless to me and with the amount of obvious MACROING going on out there itGÇÖs no surprise to me that EvE is losing subscribers and CCP is laying off employeesGǪ..WAIT WAIT! Mining can be fun! Just train up some more alts to be logi pilots so they can constantly remote rep your ship and maybe you will be able to hold out against those suicide gankers! lol
o.k so now that I have made my smart ass comments, please please give me yours  |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
2753
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Posted - 2012.01.13 03:36:00 -
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I do it because it reminds me and lets me reflect on why I lost my combat ship last time.
Other than that money isnt that good I rather hardcore PI than to mine.
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Gorongo Frostfyr
Shimohi Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2012.01.13 03:36:00 -
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free minerals |
MadMuppet
Kerguelen Station
77
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Posted - 2012.01.13 03:41:00 -
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You can gank all of the miners some of the time
And you can gank some of the miners all of the time
But you can't gank all of the miners all of the time
'Cause who's gonna mine the ore?
Oh wait...
*on a more serious note, if you are getting ganked you are not being careful enough.
Yes, I only have a Vigil, I've had a bad bit of luck Ok? |
Rhonda Monty
Temporal Progeny
Eonian Alliance
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Posted - 2012.01.13 03:49:00 -
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MadMuppet wrote:
Oh wait...
*on a more serious note, if you are getting ganked you are not being careful enough.
Any suggestions for being more careful besides, (flagging all the baddies in my contacts so i see them is local as soon as they are there) (using a trial account with really low sec status to constantly "kite" concord to the belt) (using another account with a logistics ship to rep your barge).....i'm serious if anyone has any good ideas or ways for the common miner to actually mine, please do tell :) |
Velarra
Ghost Festival
Naraka.
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Posted - 2012.01.13 03:50:00 -
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"why anyone would want to mine"
Set up and log into the Singularity test server, get ship with mining lasers. Alt-tab out, & read news sites / forums, listen to music. Enjoy the white noise of mining and relax before heading off to sleep at the end of a long day. |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness
The Midget Mafia
813
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Posted - 2012.01.13 03:51:00 -
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rocks don't shoot back
The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
gfldex
265
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Posted - 2012.01.13 03:55:00 -
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There are plenty of combat missions with fairly large roids. The fine gentlemen who shoot miners for sports usually don't bother to probe for barges in missions. And be happy they do something about your competitors. When I started the game Isogen sold for 180 ISK/Unit.
There is still hope for EVE:
"Best Regards,
GM Ninjapirate" |
Rhonda Monty
Temporal Progeny
Eonian Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.01.13 03:59:00 -
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Velarra wrote:"Enjoy the white noise of mining and relax before heading off to sleep at the end of a long day.
Hahahahaha! Awesome, totally gonna try that,....now i know why i haven't been sleeping well lately, its because I'm not doing this before bed ritual! |
MadMuppet
Kerguelen Station
77
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Posted - 2012.01.13 04:02:00 -
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Rhonda Monty wrote:MadMuppet wrote:
Oh wait...
*on a more serious note, if you are getting ganked you are not being careful enough.
Any suggestions for being more careful besides, (flagging all the baddies in my contacts so i see them is local as soon as they are there) (using a trial account with really low sec status to constantly "kite" concord to the belt) (using another account with a logistics ship to rep your barge).....i'm serious if anyone has any good ideas or ways for the common miner to actually mine, please do tell :)
Mine in systems that are not near trade hubs
Mine in large systems at remote belts (off the transit paths)
Keep aligned ot a safe spot or station at at 75% speed (you back peddle when nobody is around)
Pay attention to local and your D-scan
If you must jet-can, do so at a nearby safespot rather than in the belt
Mine from the 'back side' of the belt from common approach vectors to put the asteroids between you and the enemy.
Change systems often, change belts often, don't be predictable.
I know it sounds like work, but most people are looking for easy kills.
Yes, I only have a Vigil, I've had a bad bit of luck Ok? |
Lady Spank
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
957
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Posted - 2012.01.13 04:11:00 -
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People mine to get minerals.
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-áGÖÑ New Years Resolution ~ Cease thy Smacktalk GÖÑ |
Rhonda Monty
Temporal Progeny
Eonian Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.01.13 04:12:00 -
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MadMuppet wrote:
Mine in systems that are not near trade hubs
Mine in large systems at remote belts (off the transit paths)
Keep aligned ot a safe spot or station at at 75% speed (you back peddle when nobody is around)
Pay attention to local and your D-scan
If you must jet-can, do so at a nearby safespot rather than in the belt
Mine from the 'back side' of the belt from common approach vectors to put the asteroids between you and the enemy.
Change systems often, change belts often, don't be predictable.
I know it sounds like work, but most people are looking for easy kills.
Sweet,... i totally didnt think of some of thoes ideas, thanks :)
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Atticus Fynch
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Posted - 2012.01.13 04:15:00 -
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Gorongo Frostfyr wrote:free minerals
^this
Mining isnt for players with A.D.D.,..and based n the many complaints on mining here, Id say that's the majority of you.
Please help with a university research project by taking this simple survey on color and emotion.
https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/UNIVERSITYSTUDYLS |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises
Purpose Built
501
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Posted - 2012.01.13 04:27:00 -
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Atticus Fynch wrote:Gorongo Frostfyr wrote:free minerals ^this Mining isnt for players with A.D.D.,..and based n the many complaints on mining here, Id say that's the majority of you.
They aren't free.
Unless you mine in a rookie ship... and even then time is still spent (a lot of time int hat case). |
Rhonda Monty
Temporal Progeny
Eonian Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.01.13 04:28:00 -
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yea i guess the answer is : If making some isk in EvE is your goal, don't invest your time / effort in mining, because for the same amount of time / effort elsewhere you will make WAY more isk with less risk....imo |
ASadOldGit
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
94
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Posted - 2012.01.13 04:28:00 -
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Personally, I think the whole mining industry needs reworking, especially to remove its AFK-ness.
I realise that some people like that style of play, and I'm not trying to force you to play it "my way", but I find it hard to believe that a game designer would intentionally design a game that can be played while you're not there - that's not you playing, it's the computer playing.
They want you at your keyboard, interacting with the game, and, in the case of an MMO, preferably interacting with other players.
(This is not directed at those miners who get together for a good ol' yarn; that is player interaction.)
I can think of 3 types of miner:
- The beginner who thinks that mining is a quick, easy way to get a bit of ISK;
- Those who are genuinely interested in industry and the chain of production;
- Those who only adopt it because it's something they can do while watching TV / reading a book.
The first two should be encouraged with engaging, rewarding gameplay, because they're actively interacting with the universe; the last one just doesn't seem valid for an online MMO. Whether or not it should be outright banned, or just made less rewarding, or any of a dozen other solutions, I couldn't say.
My container is NOT imploding! It's just a bit upset that it only sees cheap crap. |
Atticus Fynch
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Posted - 2012.01.13 04:34:00 -
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I actually enjoy mining. It's relaxing. Mine the ore. Build it up then ship it all for a nice price or use it for your own manufacturing. So I dont know what all the complaining is about.
Please help with a university research project by taking this simple survey on color and emotion.
https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/UNIVERSITYSTUDYLS |
Rhonda Monty
Temporal Progeny
Eonian Alliance
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Posted - 2012.01.13 04:37:00 -
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Atticus Fynch wrote:I actually enjoy mining. It's relaxing. Mine the ore. Build it up then ship it all for a nice price or use it for your own manufacturing. So I dont know what all the complaining is about.
man! i gotta find out where you are mining so i stop loosing so many barges! |
Fredfredbug4
Kings of Kill
EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2012.01.13 04:38:00 -
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Without a good population of miners, ship prices would skyrocket over time.
You see miners get minerals which make ships.
The ships are then sold based on supply and demand
The ships go blow up other ships.
The ships are all eventually destroyed, which requires more minerals to be mined.
It is the cycle of EVE
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Atticus Fynch
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Posted - 2012.01.13 04:40:00 -
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Rhonda Monty wrote:Atticus Fynch wrote:I actually enjoy mining. It's relaxing. Mine the ore. Build it up then ship it all for a nice price or use it for your own manufacturing. So I dont know what all the complaining is about. man! i gotta find out where you are mining so i stop loosing so many barges!
Scout out the quiet areas of New Eden. There are areas that have very little traffic. Keep an eye on local to see how many people are around. It takes some scouting, but once you find these places, they are gold.
Please help with a university research project by taking this simple survey on color and emotion.
https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/UNIVERSITYSTUDYLS |
Velarra
Ghost Festival
Naraka.
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Posted - 2012.01.13 04:43:00 -
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Rhonda Monty wrote:Velarra wrote:"Enjoy the white noise of mining and relax before heading off to sleep at the end of a long day. Hahahahaha! Awesome, totally gonna try that,....now i know why i haven't been sleeping well lately, its because I'm not doing this before bed ritual!
You can also just do that once on sisi, - and record the audio. Take the recorded track, loop it for an hour or two, save the loop...and just play back when ever you're having trouble getting to sleep ;) |
Rhonda Monty
Temporal Progeny
Eonian Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.01.13 04:53:00 -
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Velarra wrote:Rhonda Monty wrote:Velarra wrote:"Enjoy the white noise of mining and relax before heading off to sleep at the end of a long day. Hahahahaha! Awesome, totally gonna try that,....now i know why i haven't been sleeping well lately, its because I'm not doing this before bed ritual! You can also just do that once on sisi, - and record the audio. Take the recorded track, loop it for an hour or two, save the loop...and just play back when ever you're having trouble getting to sleep ;)
And when I need to wake up in the morning on time, i can change my alarm sound to the sound of my barges blowing up repeatedly! hehehe |
Jonknowitall
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.01.13 04:55:00 -
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I think that to give us miners a little more of a chance, they should somehow alert local when a criminal or security threat enters a system. (ie. red bar and threat name in local ) Because having to loose a barge or two just to learn who the threats are in High Security, doesn't seem reasonable. Every second counts in this game, and that will help us non AFK miners out that extra bit. |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises
Purpose Built
502
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Posted - 2012.01.13 04:56:00 -
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Rhonda Monty wrote:Velarra wrote:Rhonda Monty wrote:Velarra wrote:"Enjoy the white noise of mining and relax before heading off to sleep at the end of a long day. Hahahahaha! Awesome, totally gonna try that,....now i know why i haven't been sleeping well lately, its because I'm not doing this before bed ritual! You can also just do that once on sisi, - and record the audio. Take the recorded track, loop it for an hour or two, save the loop...and just play back when ever you're having trouble getting to sleep ;) And when I need to wake up in the morning on time, i can change my alarm sound to the sound of my barges blowing up repeatedly! hehehe
God you're sick...
Not a bad idea... just... |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises
Purpose Built
502
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Posted - 2012.01.13 04:57:00 -
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Jonknowitall wrote:I think that to give us miners a little more of a chance, they should somehow alert local when a criminal or security threat enters a system. (ie. red bar and threat name in local ) Because having to loose a barge or two just to learn who the threats are in High Security, doesn't seem reasonable. Every second counts in this game, and that will help us non AFK miners out that extra bit.
In the latest dev blog they show something like that... though the pilot still has to actually look. |
Karthwritte
Darthrin Storm Enterprise
Drunken Capsuleers
19
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Posted - 2012.01.13 05:01:00 -
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I made some ideas for fixing the mining problem. Some people also posted their ideas here and their opinions.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=619136 (A FORUM THREAD IN THE IDEAS SECTION)
I am one of those who belive that fixing mining, fixes 25% of the game. I also believe it currently sucks. Hope they fix it before 12/21/12 |
Velarra
Ghost Festival
Naraka.
35
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Posted - 2012.01.13 05:02:00 -
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Rhonda Monty wrote:Velarra wrote:Rhonda Monty wrote:Velarra wrote:"Enjoy the white noise of mining and relax before heading off to sleep at the end of a long day. Hahahahaha! Awesome, totally gonna try that,....now i know why i haven't been sleeping well lately, its because I'm not doing this before bed ritual! You can also just do that once on sisi, - and record the audio. Take the recorded track, loop it for an hour or two, save the loop...and just play back when ever you're having trouble getting to sleep ;) And when I need to wake up in the morning on time, i can change my alarm sound to the sound of my barges blowing up repeatedly! hehehe
Do remember to give a good duration for the critical shield, armor & hull alarms! |
Rhonda Monty
Temporal Progeny
Eonian Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.01.13 05:05:00 -
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Jonknowitall wrote:I think that to give us miners a little more of a chance, they should somehow alert local when a criminal or security threat enters a system. (ie. red bar and threat name in local ) Because having to loose a barge or two just to learn who the threats are in High Security, doesn't seem reasonable. Every second counts in this game, and that will help us non AFK miners out that extra bit.
I like that idea....and i kinda agree on the "learning who the threats are" bit....it seems kinda silly that you can just simply make a trial account and within days train up to suicide gank a barge, grab the loot with your main, let the trial account go dead after 14 days,...then repeat.... |
Renturu
Tribal Spirit
Tribal Unity Alliance
133
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Posted - 2012.01.13 05:21:00 -
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Mining in the "Off the Beaten Path" locations is perfect for uninterrupted mining. Also, Train up drones to help in defense and don't worry so much about cargo size... Forget the cargo expanders and fit yourself some tank and Warp Core Stab/Inertia stab... whatever to help you last longer while you try to get the hell out of dodge.
Too many miners are concerned about the huge cargo space when ganking is at an all time high (and in season - HAG5). Also, it doesn't hurt to fleet up with someone who has an Orca. Orca pilots train up to give mining bonuses and can reduce cycle time as well as the vast cargo hold should you trust them enough to haul it for you.
Lastly, sometime, not using a Hulk IS the best option. It is not always the best mining barge (esp when running solo). If you are in a Covetor, Retriever or whatever, the pain is less intense should it go pop.
Almost forgot... OMGWTF??? Jett Can mining? dude... Guaranteed to get them stolen out from under you... even by miners. If you must use cans, get anchor-able, secure containers. Yes, they are smaller, but are password protected and cannot be taken.
If EvE WiS is Space Barbie, then I'm built like a Ken Doll:
Nothin' but 14 inches of T'aint;
Smooth, from front to butt!!! |
Rhonda Monty
Temporal Progeny
Eonian Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.01.13 05:33:00 -
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Velarra wrote:Rhonda Monty wrote:Velarra wrote:Rhonda Monty wrote:Velarra wrote:"Enjoy the white noise of mining and relax before heading off to sleep at the end of a long day. Hahahahaha! Awesome, totally gonna try that,....now i know why i haven't been sleeping well lately, its because I'm not doing this before bed ritual! You can also just do that once on sisi, - and record the audio. Take the recorded track, loop it for an hour or two, save the loop...and just play back when ever you're having trouble getting to sleep ;) And when I need to wake up in the morning on time, i can change my alarm sound to the sound of my barges blowing up repeatedly! hehehe Do remember to give a good duration for the critical shield, armor & hull alarms!
*Rhonda Monty wets her pants with the excitement of waking to such a beautiful symphony of doom. |
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