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Blood Cultist
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Posted - 2007.08.06 23:21:00 -
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Edited by: Blood Cultist on 06/08/2007 23:22:18
 Originally by: Dionisius
Bullsh*t fair and square, a nice fitted Geddon, Abaddon,Raven,Tempest,Phoon will obliterate a Domi, Hype or Mega.
An equally skilled raven will not kill a Mega, or Domi, or Hype. No ******* way.
Originally by: Chrysalis D'lilth
Moros is by far the best pvp dread.
Moros isn't the best POS basher, but it is by far the best at killing support. Others can do it too with support or by severely weakening their setups.
Originally by: Chrysalis D'lilth
Command BATTLEcruisers - Astarte, quite likely the best ship in its class.
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More like EOS, but you have Vulture, Sleipnir, Absolution.... all these 3 are awesome and both have sick tanks and damage.
Eos is the single most imbalanced field command - no discussion possible. Vulture has a great tank but ridiculously low damage with its 5 unbonused turrets.
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Hurricane rings any bells, drake with its overpowered ( yes it still is ) tank rings any bells?
A Myrmidon mounts a stronger passive tank than a Drake while doing far more damage. To improve its passive tank the drake gives up damage mods and its already low damage becomes almost inconsequential. The myrm on the other hand still has up to 5 bonused heavies and autocannons.
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Thorax needs to be point blank to be efective and i kill rax's in my stabber muahaha.
Vexor is paper, a good fited maller kills a vexor for instance.
Celestis is prolly the most dangerous with its dampeners but then again does crapy damage and no tank.
Best cruiser imo is the rupture as far as tank/gank go.
Now try fighting Gallente cruisers with Caldari ones. Vexor or Rax vs Moa / Caracal. Oups, you're dead.
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Amarr/Minmatar have some pretty good af's duhhh.
The Ishkur is the best, though all races have some nice AFs.
Guess which one is the worse. The Hawk, that's right, it's Caldari.
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Gallente intys are nice, caldari are nicer.
Taranis is a better inty killer than the Crow, Crow is better overall. It is one of Caldari's few good ships.
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Benn Helmsman
Caldari
Helmsman Engineering Company
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Posted - 2007.08.06 23:26:00 -
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Edited by: Benn Helmsman on 06/08/2007 23:26:04
Originally by: Lucus Ranger
Blasters = short range, cap eating weapons (admitidly not as much as lasers). They have high damage sure enough, but there are a number of disadvanatges to using these guns due to there short range.
You should know that rails eat more cap then blaster, 50% more.
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Lucus Ranger
Gallente
Infortunatus Eventus
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.08.06 23:35:00 -
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Originally by: Benn Helmsman
Edited by: Benn Helmsman on 06/08/2007 23:26:04
Originally by: Lucus Ranger
Blasters = short range, cap eating weapons (admitidly not as much as lasers). They have high damage sure enough, but there are a number of disadvanatges to using these guns due to there short range.
You should know that rails eat more cap then blaster, 50% more.
Yes I'm well aware of that fact to, considering I use them in long range fights :P
/Prince of Darkness at your service..
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Chrysalis D'lilth
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Posted - 2007.08.07 01:13:00 -
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stuff by dionisius
Are you even thinking before you type ? i'm guessing not.
Amarr do nice damage with their EM lasers against a 70%+ resist on most armour tanks? yeah right, oh you mean against caldari.... quite possibly the only race in EvE who's ships when it comes to pvp suck more than Amarr?
A nice fitted Raven will kill gallentean battleships? rofl, what pipe are you smoking from? maybe if the raven has the perfect situation and circumstances, otherwise only an idiot is going to argue the case of a raven vs a gallente BS. If your fighting vs snipers, they get to shoot you a whole bunch before your stupid missiles ever get close and go afk to make a drink, come back and decide if they need to warp out. Close range, gallente DPS massacres caldari, its not even a contest.
As for your whining comment about amarr BS killing gallente ones, see my earlier point and my armour EM resist laughs at your lasers.
I trained minimatar/gallente ships for a reason, i know what ships fight well in pvp, and for the most part, amarr and caldari are a joke.
revelation and nagalfar ftw in pvp? now if you'd of said phoenix, i'd of had to conceed that with help and lots of painters they can be effective, but srsly, 5x heavy drones out of siege mode, tear up battleships with a 200-250% bonus. wtf is a nagalfar going to do in pvp against ships ? now yeah, you can come out with some smart ass comment to save face like 'shoot pos's' or 'shoot capitals' but we both know that ain't what this thread is about.
Smart bombs on battleships, srsly, most people don't fit any - however sure, after your turret slots a BS might fit 1, or possibly 2 if its a raven (tho i'd imagine NOS are by far a more popular choice)
So yeah.... its all very nice if you actually have them fitted and actually have any cap..... something that doesn't go too well with the current state of play and most gallente ships making popular NOS boats. Not that your gonna actually kill many drones given a dominix has a 50% hp bonus on its drones unless the gallente pilot is afk and not paying attention to bring them back in.
Did you suggest the drake is a good pvp ship? unless its bait (which it kinda sucks as, since everyone knows a drake on a gate is bait), it sucks in pvp. who cares what tank it has, its got the dps of a half dead rodent, and any kind of tackle on it - fatal noobs fly drakes, and they die quite nicely in them too.
Hurricaine would as i hinted too in my post, the only other BC to come close to a myrmidon.
Cerberus a good hac in comparison to an ishtar? seriously, gtfo this thread and go wash your mouth out for even suggesting they are in the same league.
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hUssmann
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.08.07 01:13:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Sonata
Best HAC(Ishtar)
Oh my god my chest, the pain. 
Ginger Magician > You are merely an effective ganker of haulers who runs at the first sign of combat. |
Captain Sonata
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Posted - 2007.08.07 01:19:00 -
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Gallente has it coming, wait and see. BAM outta nowhere, like a mother****** the nerf stick will come and blast you back to Kali. Oh wait, it won't help, 8 heavies on a thorax?
Nerf Gallente.
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Zubakis
Bambooule
TALIONIS ALLIANCE
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Posted - 2007.08.07 01:30:00 -
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I have to agree in 1vs1 situations Gallente have the better cards most times. But if i had a choice again, i would take Amarr or Caldari, because Gallente sucks in large scale combat. The range is pathetic, drones sucks in large combat, and you dont have to be Gallente to use RSD's effective  .
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Hannobaal
Gallente
Dragonfire Intergalactic Crusaders of Krom
Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.08.07 01:43:00 -
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Caldari pilots who aren't happy with Caldari ships are wannabe Gallente. You want to fight close up with heavy firepower. And that just means that Gallente is the race for you.
It doesn't mean that Caldari ships are weak. It just means that you don't particularly care for the type of fighting that Caldari ships are for.
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Incantare
Caldari
Darkness Inc.
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Posted - 2007.08.07 02:18:00 -
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Originally by: Hannobaal
Caldari pilots who aren't happy with Caldari ships are wannabe Gallente. You want to fight close up with heavy firepower. And that just means that Gallente is the race for you.
It doesn't mean that Caldari ships are weak. It just means that you don't particularly care for the type of fighting that Caldari ships are for.
I use to fly Caldari before crosstraining to Gallente and it wasn't because of the different fighting styles.
If Caldari ships could compete on an equal footing with their long range ships as they are there would be no problem.
But those ships are slow and cannot maintain range, they deal poor damage and they can't tackle and tank. When you have most combat outside of fleets happening at short range what advantage do they have left?
The reality is that Caldari ships have, overall, a far worse PvP performance than Gallente ones.
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Hannobaal
Gallente
Dragonfire Intergalactic Crusaders of Krom
Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.08.07 02:27:00 -
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Originally by: Incantare
When you have most combat outside of fleets happening at short range what advantage do they have left?
Well, the focus in Eve IS on fleets. And aside from most low-sec piracy that's how most Eve combat happens.
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KD.Fluffy
The Refugees
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Posted - 2007.08.07 02:27:00 -
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I use to fly Caldari before crosstraining to Gallente and it wasn't because of the different fighting styles.
If Caldari ships could compete on an equal footing with their long range ships as they are there would be no problem.
But those ships are slow and cannot maintain range, they deal poor damage and they can't tackle and tank. When you have most combat outside of fleets happening at short range what advantage do they have left?
The reality is that Caldari ships have, overall, a far worse PvP performance than Gallente ones.
Couldnt have said it any better then that. I too have cross trained. I am a die hard caldari fan, but I like to kill things too and pvp on a fair footing, so till then my caldari ships are just gonna have to gather dust in my hanger 
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Incantare
Caldari
Darkness Inc.
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Posted - 2007.08.07 03:04:00 -
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Edited by: Incantare on 07/08/2007 03:05:18
Originally by: Hannobaal
Originally by: Incantare
When you have most combat outside of fleets happening at short range what advantage do they have left?
Well, the focus in Eve IS on fleets. And aside from most low-sec piracy that's how most Eve combat happens.
Caldari range bonuses don't automatically translate into great fleet ships. The Rokh is far less used than the Mega or Tempest, which outdamage it at usual fleet ranges. While the Eagle and Vulture make good support snipers the entire missile ship line is practically worthless in fleets and these are ships which do not have the damage output to compete with the close rangers - they are mid range ships, but without the ability to maintain range mid range does not last long.
Anyway, I think the races should be balanced for combat of all scales.
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Hannobaal
Gallente
Dragonfire Intergalactic Crusaders of Krom
Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.08.07 03:10:00 -
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Originally by: Incantare
Edited by: Incantare on 07/08/2007 03:05:18
Originally by: Hannobaal
Originally by: Incantare
When you have most combat outside of fleets happening at short range what advantage do they have left?
Well, the focus in Eve IS on fleets. And aside from most low-sec piracy that's how most Eve combat happens.
Caldari range bonuses don't automatically translate into great fleet ships. The Rokh is far less used than the Mega or Tempest, which outdamage it at usual fleet ranges. While the Eagle and Vulture make good support snipers the entire missile ship line is practically worthless in fleets and these are ships which do not have the damage output to compete with the close rangers - they are mid range ships, but without the ability to maintain range mid range does not last long.
Anyway, I think the races should be balanced for combat of all scales.
The missile ships are great in large fleets as long as they ignore primary and pick their own targets (mainly the support). Especially true for Ravens.
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Halkin
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.08.07 03:43:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Sonata
Gallente has it coming, wait and see. BAM outta nowhere, like a mother****** the nerf stick will come and blast you back to Kali. Oh wait, it won't help, 8 heavies on a thorax?
Nerf Gallente.
one bitter troll right here, more seriously i agree gallente do have some great ships but so do other races. how about we nerf all of em 'back to kali'?
Originally by: Paper
Rock's fine, nerf Scissors
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Janaga
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.08.07 03:56:00 -
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Originally by: KD.Fluffy
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When Caldari pilots stop envying how great Gallente are at extreme short range combat and start using their own ships' strengths to their advantage.
Caldari pilots can't becuase there mass and agility has been nerfed to total hell..... at the same time gallente is getting a buff 
Its funny because I spent my first year and a few months flying caldari.... I rarely got any kills, when I did it was because I was flying with a gallente pilot that could tackle... When I switched to gallente All of a sudden it was easy as heck! The race is broken, though it will never be fixed the only thing I can tell people to do is switch to gallente if you want a fair shot at pvp, or minmatar. Just get the hell away from caldari if you want pvp.
Well if that's not the most scientific and controlled test I've ever heard. You heard it here dev's. Get to nerfing. I like your way of testing . Why hasn't this man gotten more killlllz??? Clearly he is uber and it's ships that suck
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