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Captain Sonata	Posted - 2007.08.06 15:05:00 - [1] Best all around Dread (Moros the only ship that's not limited to POS destruction) Best Industrials (compared to something like badger II) Best Battleships (all of them) Best Cruisers (Thorax and Vexor, even the Celestis packs a good EW) Best Recon(Arazu) Best HAC(Ishtar) Best Weapons(Drones, coupled with blasters) So when will exactly Gallente-Online become Eve-Online again?
Syrin Wildfire Laboratrories The Crimson Federation	Posted - 2007.08.06 15:06:00 - [2] When Caldari stop winning at PvE
Krulla Minmatar True Centii	Posted - 2007.08.06 15:13:00 - [3] Originally by: Captain Sonata Best all around Dread (Moros the only ship that's not limited to POS destruction) All the dreads have advantages. The Revelation tanks very well and never has to reload or worry about ammo. The Phoenix can instapop battleships The Naglfar does the most DPS assuming perfect skills. Originally by: Captain Sonata Best Industrials (compared to something like badger II) Fair enough. Though the Tech II gallente ones leave something to be desired. Originally by: Captain Sonata Best Battleships (all of them) Up to debate. They have three nice battleships, but they are not clearly best at anything. Besides, all three of them being best isn't very logical. Originally by: Captain Sonata Best Cruisers (Thorax and Vexor, even the Celestis packs a good EW) Again, up to debate. They have nice cruisers to be sure, though. Originally by: Captain Sonata Best Recon(Arazu) Um, no. All the recons are different. Originally by: Captain Sonata Best HAC(Ishtar) The ishtar is horribly overrated. Originally by: Captain Sonata Best Weapons(Drones, coupled with blasters) Are you high? Blasters are very situational and easily countered, and drones have a lot of disatvantages. Originally by: Captain Sonata So when will exactly Gallente-Online become Eve-Online again? Stop whining.
Hannobaal Gallente Dragonfire Intergalactic Crusaders of Krom Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.08.06 15:14:00 - [4] Originally by: Captain Sonata So when will exactly Gallente-Online become Eve-Online again? When Caldari pilots stop envying how great Gallente are at extreme short range combat and start using their own ships' strengths to their advantage. ------------------
Zubakis Bambooule TALIONIS ALLIANCE	Posted - 2007.08.06 15:17:00 - [5] Originally by: Captain Sonata Best all around Dread (Moros the only ship that's not limited to POS destruction) Best Industrials (compared to something like badger II) Best Battleships (all of them) Best Cruisers (Thorax and Vexor, even the Celestis packs a good EW) Best Recon(Arazu) Best HAC(Ishtar) Best Weapons(Drones, coupled with blasters) So when will exactly Gallente-Online become Eve-Online again? They are best at what? Can you explain it further? -- Zuba
Boonaki Caldari Knights of Chaos Chaos Incarnate.	Posted - 2007.08.06 15:21:00 - [6] Smartbombs make Gallente sad. Moros only does thermal and kinetic damage, the main role of the dread is POS sieges, my opinion is the nag is the best dread as it does better DPS to POS's and can chose it's damage type. They has the most cargo space indy, but if you look at transport ships they're not all that great compared to the others. I wouldn't agree with "best battleship" as they all have their roles. Depends on the situatuion really. Haven't been in a cruiser in 2 years, so that's up to someone else to argue. Arazu is nice, but not the best. I've seen 4 rooks seriously screw a fleet up for a 150k away. Ishtar is nice, but I think they're speed tanking days are comming to an end if the graviton beam comes in. Blasters are not the best weapon in the game, there is no best weapon. Drones can be killed (very quickly) and blasters you have to be up someones ass to use. Fear the Ibis of doom! 113
Chrysalis D'lilth	Posted - 2007.08.06 15:30:00 - [7] You'd have to be in denial to think gallente ships don't own in pvp in EvE. Its ships rate in the top slots for all categories from capital to inteceptor. Yes i'm Caldari, yes i've gallente and minimatar cruiser V (for a reason, i've not got caldari or amarr), i've over 6m sp's in gunnery and barely 3m in missiles. Gallente ships are masters of EvE pvp, but the reasons why thats the case is probably cause of a whole thread in its own right. Moros is by far the best pvp dread. Gallente battleships are awesome, all three of the gallentean Battleships are top of their class's pvp food chain. Command cruisers - Astarte, quite likely the best ship in its class. Battlecruisers - Myrmidon is amongst the top, if not the top battlecruiser. HACs - Ishtars are certainly not overrated, it contends for the top echelons of the HAC class with ships like the vagabond. Recons - Arazus own... though i think the recon class is fairly well balanced. I've seen rapiers catch gisti crows when no other ship would stand a chance, nano curses are never to be underestimated and i've seen Falcons jam 3-4 battleships at once. (barring the upcoming curse/pilgrim nerf), i believe the recon class to be the most balanced class of ships EvE currently has. Cruisers - Vexor/Thorax/celestis are all top class cruisers, all the best, if not in the top of their respective leagues. Assault frigates - again gallente have a strong AF, i'd argue the strongest. Inties - taranis' are very popular inties, i don't think they are as good as crows in 1v1, but they are certainly far from the worst race in terms of inteceptors.
NoNah Unseen University	Posted - 2007.08.06 15:31:00 - [8] Don't feed the trolls, its just a alt-rant due to caldari-whine-o-rama. If it wasn't there would atleast have been some reasoning behind the empty claims. Post count: 560735
DarkXenon	Posted - 2007.08.06 16:01:00 - [9] Originally by: Captain Sonata Best all around Dread (Moros the only ship that's not limited to POS destruction) Best Industrials (compared to something like badger II) Best Battleships (all of them) Best Cruisers (Thorax and Vexor, even the Celestis packs a good EW) Best Recon(Arazu) Best HAC(Ishtar) Best Weapons(Drones, coupled with blasters) So when will exactly Gallente-Online become Eve-Online again? Wow I have got to say that is a lame post. What are you trying to achieve by having a dig an entire race. If you feel there is something wrong with a ship make a constructive post instead of whining.
ForumPosterAlt HERRO KITTY	Posted - 2007.08.06 16:14:00 - [10] Minmatar = best pvp Caldari = best pve and EW Gallente = best all around Amarr = Amarr Because posting on the forums is serious business.
Soeniss Delazur Gallente Spack Lords	Posted - 2007.08.06 16:30:00 - [11] Please nerf Jove ships
doomsday13	Posted - 2007.08.06 16:39:00 - [12] Originally by: Soeniss Delazur Please nerf Jove ships lol
wierchas n00bhunter	Posted - 2007.08.06 16:43:00 - [13] Originally by: Captain Sonata Best all around Dread (Moros the only ship that's not limited to POS destruction) Best Industrials (compared to something like badger II) Best Battleships (all of them) Best Cruisers (Thorax and Vexor, even the Celestis packs a good EW) Best Recon(Arazu) Best HAC(Ishtar) Best Weapons(Drones, coupled with blasters) So when will exactly Gallente-Online become Eve-Online again? just end your self .. wors dread, second worst carrier, wery bad bs ( only domi is good ) agree on descent cruisers, but they rae far far from best .., worst hacs .... wery bad recons
Valandril Caldari Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2007.08.06 16:45:00 - [14] Your stuff, gimme --- Not replying to alts, post with ur main or STFU
Mercurye Gallente	Posted - 2007.08.06 16:57:00 - [15] Every Race has good ships, especially the Minmattar seems to shine when you invest a lot( Not that I did it but so I heard) ...Amarr and Caldari could use some slight review though, not much, but slightly --~--~--~--~ ~NOTE: Freak~
Lance Hawke Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2007.08.06 17:25:00 - [16] Originally by: ForumPosterAlt Amarr = Amarr best argument ITT so far **I move away from the mic to breathe in
Duke Hawk Gallente Lawless Attitude	Posted - 2007.08.06 17:37:00 - [17] HEH
KD.Fluffy The Refugees	Posted - 2007.08.06 18:02:00 - [18] Quote: When Caldari pilots stop envying how great Gallente are at extreme short range combat and start using their own ships' strengths to their advantage. Caldari pilots can't becuase there mass and agility has been nerfed to total hell..... at the same time gallente is getting a buff Its funny because I spent my first year and a few months flying caldari.... I rarely got any kills, when I did it was because I was flying with a gallente pilot that could tackle... When I switched to gallente All of a sudden it was easy as heck! The race is broken, though it will never be fixed the only thing I can tell people to do is switch to gallente if you want a fair shot at pvp, or minmatar. Just get the hell away from caldari if you want pvp.
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.06 18:23:00 - [19] Originally by: Captain Sonata Best all around Dread (Moros the only ship that's not limited to POS destruction) Best Industrials (compared to something like badger II) Best Battleships (all of them) Best Cruisers (Thorax and Vexor, even the Celestis packs a good EW) Best Recon(Arazu) Best HAC(Ishtar) Best Weapons(Drones, coupled with blasters) So when will exactly Gallente-Online become Eve-Online again? a) there is no "best dread" b) actually, taking skilltime into account the mammoth is better. c) dominix meet smartbomb; smartbomb, dominix. Also the megathron is not THAT great (try to fit a blaster setup on it), and the hyperion could be much better. d) this one I can agree, kinda. e) how the hell is the arazu better than a pilgrim? at least untill the nos nerf? f) Ishtar, meet smartbomb; smartbomb, ishtar. e) ipsis verbis about the drones, and have you ever used blasters? --- truth about EVE: Quote: "Guns are fine, boost players" Quote: "Players are fine, boost guns"
Dionisius Gallente LEGI0N SOUL CARTEL	Posted - 2007.08.06 18:28:00 - [20] Originally by: Chrysalis D'lilth You'd have to be in denial to think gallente ships don't own in pvp in EvE. Its ships rate in the top slots for all categories from capital to inteceptor. Ur just whining. Originally by: Chrysalis D'lilth Yes i'm Caldari, yes i've gallente and minimatar cruiser V (for a reason, i've not got caldari or amarr), i've over 6m sp's in gunnery and barely 3m in missiles. Maybe because you're a fashion player?Amarr ships make sick tanks and some nasty damage if you train up their skills properly. Originally by: Chrysalis D'lilth Gallente ships are masters of EvE pvp, but the reasons why thats the case is probably cause of a whole thread in its own right. Bullsht fair and square, a nice fitted Geddon, Abaddon,Raven,Tempest,Phoon will obliterate a Domi, Hype or Mega. Originally by:* Chrysalis D'lilth Moros is by far the best pvp dread. LAWL..revelation and naglfar ftw. Originally by: Chrysalis D'lilth Gallente battleships are awesome, all three of the gallentean Battleships are top of their class's pvp food chain. NO.NO.AND... NO! Originally by: Chrysalis D'lilth Command BATTLEcruisers - Astarte, quite likely the best ship in its class. More like EOS, but you have Vulture, Sleipnir, Absolution.... all these 3 are awesome and both have sick tanks and damage. Originally by: Chrysalis D'lilth Battlecruisers - Myrmidon is amongst the top, if not the top battlecruiser. Hurricane rings any bells, drake with its overpowered ( yes it still is ) tank rings any bells? Originally by: Chrysalis D'lilth HACs - Ishtars are certainly not overrated, it contends for the top echelons of the HAC class with ships like the vagabond. Vagabonds are nice, zealots are nice, cerberus are nice. Originally by: Chrysalis D'lilth Recons - Arazus own... though i think the recon class is fairly well balanced. I've seen rapiers catch gisti crows when no other ship would stand a chance, nano curses are never to be underestimated and i've seen Falcons jam 3-4 battleships at once. (barring the upcoming curse/pilgrim nerf), i believe the recon class to be the most balanced class of ships EvE currently has. Arazu and lachesis are owned by rook or falcon, or curse/pilgrim, depends, and no they are not uber. Originally by: Chrysalis D'lilth Cruisers - Vexor/Thorax/celestis are all top class cruisers, all the best, if not in the top of their respective leagues. Thorax needs to be point blank to be efective and i kill rax's in my stabber muahaha. Vexor is paper, a good fited maller kills a vexor for instance. Celestis is prolly the most dangerous with its dampeners but then again does crapy damage and no tank. Best cruiser imo is the rupture as far as tank/gank go. Oh way.. the exequoror... thats the killer, with its... big cargo hold. Originally by: Chrysalis D'lilth Assault frigates - again gallente have a strong AF, i'd argue the strongest. Amarr/Minmatar have some pretty good af's duhhh. Originally by: Chrysalis D'lilth Inties - taranis' are very popular inties, i don't think they are as good as crows in 1v1, but they are certainly far from the worst race in terms of inteceptors. Gallente intys are nice, caldari are nicer. _______________________ Originally by: Splagada Edited by: Splagada on 21/06/2007 13:51:39 in eve you can break their windows, take over the house, and throw the children in the fire.
Zaethiel Murder-Death-Kill Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.08.06 18:40:00 - [21] Most Overpowered Ship in the game (also best Command ship) = Eos Best Solo BS = Dominix Best Recons = Arazu and Curse Best HAC = Vagabond and Ishtar Best Batlecruiser = Myrmidon Best Cruiser = Thorax Best Frigate = Rifter or Punisher with Autocannon II Best Interceptor = Crow or Taranis Best Industrial = Iteron V Best Assault ship = Ishkur and Wolf Best Interdictor = Sabre Those would be my picks. As for other BS roles the Hyperion and Megathron are both very good but argueably the others are about as good. As it stands in Eve the most effective weapons are Blasters and Drones. You can say some races have this advantage andthat advantage all you want but Hybrid Blasters will still be best whereas ships with Drone bonus' and several midslots dominate the competition. No BC can beat a Myrmidon 1v1. No other command ship could beat an EOS 1v1. No other BS can beat a Dominix 1v1. As for the Ishtar its good but it has a lot of weaknesses but then again all HACs have a lot of weaknesses these days. _________________________________________
Riho Gallente Magnificent Beavers Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.08.06 18:43:00 - [22] Originally by: Captain Sonata Best all around Dread (Moros the only ship that's not limited to POS destruction) Best Industrials (compared to something like badger II) Best Battleships (all of them) Best Cruisers (Thorax and Vexor, even the Celestis packs a good EW) Best Recon(Arazu) Best HAC(Ishtar) Best Weapons(Drones, coupled with blasters) So when will exactly Gallente-Online become Eve-Online again? as i fly caldari, minmatar, gallente (soon amarr :) )i can tell you this: dread: all dreads are good. industrial: yeah.. but who cares :P BS: all races have BS that are good at PVP.... but mega is super nice :) cruisers: arbitrator or stabber for solo work... celestis in gangs :) recons: arazu is really good, but curse pwns that :) hac: vaga will kill a ishtar (iv come close.... just went out of point range on the nano ishtar and it warped :( ) vaga is the best hac imo atm best weapon.. deffo not drones... can be poped to easy if not careful. blasters are great... AC are as uber as blaster imo :) and yes caldari sux.... i fly ravens in gangs when i cba to fly a BS at all.. allso i like the scorp but havent flow it yet.. even tho i have the ecm skills :P and all i can say.. ppl who make threads like this... you do too many missions... pvp more and you will see that race doesnt matter THAT much. Amarr works uber, caldari works if u think for a bit, gallente isnt as OP as ppl think if they use a brain when fighting, but.. minmatar pwns all.... its the whiners who dont know how to fit ships or fly them right that QQ... ppl who do know how to use theyr ships will wtfpwn anything --------------------------------------- Sig killed by MODs.... reworking it Great being Gallente... aint it ? ----------------- YARRRR, sig hijack! -HornFrog -----------------
Dionisius Gallente LEGI0N SOUL CARTEL	Posted - 2007.08.06 19:00:00 - [23] Edited by: Dionisius on 06/08/2007 19:01:25 Originally by: Zaethiel Quote: Arazu and lachesis are owned by rook or falcon, or curse/pilgrim, depends, and no they are not uber. Originally by: Zaethiel ???... I hope your not talking about a 1v1 situation in which the Arazu would slaughter a Rook or Falcon. As for usefulness the Arazu can lock down two BS from a distance and hold them without any worries of them doing anything. Comparing the Curse to the Arazu really doesnt moke much sense; yes they are both Recons and all but the Curse is flown more like a HAC than a Recon. Most people only use 1 Tracking Disrupter which is hardly using its EW bonus. Depends, what are you going to do if you can't run the damps or can't lock at all? Lots of curse pilots fit eWar (damps or jammers) and the rook is insta jam as soon as he locks the module on you. Of course if the arazu locks you first... as said, depends. Originally by: Zaethiel Quote: More like EOS, but you have Vulture, Sleipnir, Absolution.... all these 3 are awesome and both have sick tanks and damage. I once say a fraps video of an EOS kill a MEgathron, 2x Absolutions, and a Maller Simotaneously; though the second absolution ran away as the the megathron blew up and the first absolution had already been downed. Lol i have the video on DVD too, and the other with the ishtar, and the damige control and etc etc etc and so on... It was a matter of skills there, and that guy must had them at 5 to do that sick tank and damage, btw, did you notice that the Astarte couldn't break the Absolutions tank? I have a friend that flyes nighthawks and they are grand also, sick tank and some nice damage output, other one of my friends bases his EOS in NOS and Drones, couple of blasters too, man one thing i've learned its that success rates like the EOS video depend on the other guys fit and skilpoints. _______________________ Originally by: Splagada Edited by: Splagada on 21/06/2007 13:51:39 in eve you can break their windows, take over the house, and throw the children in the fire.
Mr Breakfast	Posted - 2007.08.06 19:20:00 - [24] I'd love to see a blaster boat take down a Vaga or other speed tanked ship by itself. If a blaster ship is coming at you, MWD in the opposite direction and web the ship. ZOMG now he can't hit you. Is that so hard? As for the Myrm/Domi being overpowered, wait for the NOS nerf. Then both of those ships will be more vulnerable to ranged opponents and their cap will go down faster because they'll be forced to use rails/blasters.
Phil Miller Ocean Dynamics Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.08.06 19:37:00 - [25] Edited by: Phil Miller on 06/08/2007 19:40:17 Just look at the replies and you'll know the real story. Gallente = flamers that are afraid to lose their superiority in the game.
Wayward Hooligan Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.08.06 20:58:00 - [26] To all those who say blasters/drones are the best weapons in eve: How effective are blasters/drones as the size of gangs increases? Their effectiveness goes down very very quickly as gang size goes up. Gallente happen to be very strong at solo pvp, though all of their supposedly best ships have counters. In gang pvp gallente drones suck ass. Take too long to get to targets 40km away and have max range of what 60km on average? Missile dps > drone dps BY FAR if the target isn't at 0m. Furthermore people agree that missiles aren't great for pvp so what does that make drones? Blasters require point blank range. So gang -vs- gang the blaster pilots have to fly into the middle of the enemy gang to use their supposedly great guns. In the current patch a Rupture will own a Thorax in a 1-vs-1. 4xgun, 2xnos mwd, pt, web some kind of hp tank /w small rep drones Thorax will be cap dead and at edge of blaster falloff while Rupture is in middle of autocannon falloff doing greater dps while nossing thorax down. Only weapon thorax has at that point is 5 unbonused med drones. Rupture has 5 unbonused light drones + 4 autocannons == win. Ishtar/Vexor are great ships but Vexor loses 1-vs-1 to a decent Arbitrator pilot. Again capless weapons + drones > just drones. Celestis is a sweet ship but has next to no dps so is usually limited to gang work. Arazu can't break tanks of anything decent. Like all recons its a gang ship. Gallente are amazing at < 2km distance. Outside of that they start to lose their edge. In gangs they also start to lose their edge because leveraging their dps advantage at < 2km puts them in the middle of the enemy gang where they die. Eos, when fitted for gang work has a 1 gun damge bonus over the Caldari fleet command unless the 5 unbonused drones are also in range. Caldari CS does its damage from TWICE AS FAR.
n0thing omen.	Posted - 2007.08.06 22:20:00 - [27] Edited by: n0thing on 06/08/2007 22:22:31 Originally by: Captain Sonata Best all around Dread (Moros the only ship that's not limited to POS destruction) Best Industrials (compared to something like badger II) Best Battleships (all of them) Best Cruisers (Thorax and Vexor, even the Celestis packs a good EW) Best Recon(Arazu) Best HAC(Ishtar) Best Weapons(Drones, coupled with blasters) So when will exactly Gallente-Online become Eve-Online again? - I dont see that much Moroses then other dread types. - Best indy is Impel with 7 lows. - Best BS is Maelstrom tbh. For solo domi, but you need gunnery + drone skills. - Blackbird that can take out 2-3 ships out of combat? Rupture/Stabber that are both on par if not better then Vexor or Thorax? - Best recon is Curse my friend. Or at least it will be till nosf balance. Then its Rapier. Arazu maybe one of best gang ships, but recons are meant for gang? - Second best HAC is maybe Ishtar. Id say Vagabond is first, Ishtar and Sacri after Khanid MK II take 2nd place. Oh and btw, Ishtar needs rank 5 skill to level V to use T2 heavy drones, while Medium turret V is rank 3. Thus it needs more training since you still gotta train Medium turret to V. - Blasters easily outranged, drones can be shot. Get back into your box, altie. If you havent flow those ships and havent even done research on them, dont come here and start flame baits. Btw, about EOS. You cant make assumptions of some video. You have no idea what kind of pilots were attacked. I once killed a dictor and recon with a Vexor solo. Does that mean I can still solo 2 T2 ships at one time? No. Eos can be easily downed by dedicated close-range BS. Same good Domi will shut it down easily, while tanking it np. ---
KD.Fluffy The Refugees	Posted - 2007.08.06 22:32:00 - [28] Edited by: KD.Fluffy on 06/08/2007 22:32:17 yeah, gallente does need a buff for the reasons stated above. Gallente blasters need a 20km optimal and need to insta pop ravens with one blaster. As it is right now, a raven can tank a mega for a whole 30 seconds, and this is unacceptable, ccp please buff gallente to their proper level. Funny you say a domi can take down a eos no problem..... wait a second, the domi is another gallente boat?
Captain Sonata	Posted - 2007.08.06 22:52:00 - [29] Originally by: n0thing - Blackbird that can take out 2-3 ships out of combat? Let me reply to you using your own words: If you havent flow those ships and havent even done research on them, dont come here and start flame baits. Originally by: n0thing - Blasters easily outranged, drones can be shot. Missiles can be shot, autocannons can be outranged, rails can out tracked. The fact that there is a 'counter' measure doesn't mean that Blasters aren't still the most powerful gun in the game. Originally by: n0thing I once killed a dictor and recon with a Vexor solo. ... Domi will shut it down easily, while tanking it np. Thanks for making my point clearer. Nerf Gallente.
Lucus Ranger Gallente Infortunatus Eventus Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.08.06 23:01:00 - [30] Best all around Dread? - Each dread is good in it's own way. But tbh I've hardly ever seen dreads used in fleet fights. Always in pos killing, which the Moros can't really do vs large pos unless it uses rails and hence loses dps. Also I've been instapopped by a Pheonix once Best Industrials? - I have no clue in this area as I don't fly them, but I do believe I saw post somewhere here once which gave proof it was so maybe the others need a boost? Best Battleships? I like my Hype and I think it's awesome, but overpowered? No.. I've had some awesome solo fights in it with a number of people in Abaddons and Rokhs and Maelstroms who are equal on my skill level and have either beaten me or it was extremly close. Best Cruisers? - O**k... Yes Thorax is good, but I really prefer flying my Stabber and Rupture in solo/gang pvp when I do occansionly fly T1 Cruisers. Best Recon - I actually don't fly this recon, but I have fought it and it's nothing special. Made of paper. ♥ the curse/pilgrim. Best HAC? - I'd agree Ishtar is pretty good, but then I wonder why I fly my Vaga instead Best Weapons? - Drones are good, but you can still shoot them, and lets be honest if you get close range to a droneboat I'm not surprised you're having difficulty. Blasters = short range, cap eating weapons (admitidly not as much as lasers). They have high damage sure enough, but there are a number of disadvanatges to using these guns due to there short range. Gallente have hardly been touched over the last 2 years, so why now are they suddenly 'overpowered'? You don't really raise much of a constructive argument here... Also if they are overpowered... what is your suggested fix... Perhaps stop trying to troll? /Prince of Darkness at your service..* Disclaimer: None of my ideas or posting reflects my Alliance/Corp in any way
Blood Cultist	Posted - 2007.08.06 23:21:00 - [31] Edited by: Blood Cultist on 06/08/2007 23:22:18 Originally by: Dionisius Bullsht fair and square, a nice fitted Geddon, Abaddon,Raven,Tempest,Phoon will obliterate a Domi, Hype or Mega. An equally skilled raven will not kill a Mega, or Domi, or Hype. No **** way. Originally by:** Chrysalis D'lilth Moros is by far the best pvp dread. Moros isn't the best POS basher, but it is by far the best at killing support. Others can do it too with support or by severely weakening their setups. Originally by: Chrysalis D'lilth Command BATTLEcruisers - Astarte, quite likely the best ship in its class. Quote: More like EOS, but you have Vulture, Sleipnir, Absolution.... all these 3 are awesome and both have sick tanks and damage. Eos is the single most imbalanced field command - no discussion possible. Vulture has a great tank but ridiculously low damage with its 5 unbonused turrets. Quote: Hurricane rings any bells, drake with its overpowered ( yes it still is ) tank rings any bells? A Myrmidon mounts a *stronger* passive tank than a Drake while doing far more damage. To improve its passive tank the drake gives up damage mods and its already low damage becomes almost inconsequential. The myrm on the other hand still has up to 5 bonused heavies and autocannons. Quote: Thorax needs to be point blank to be efective and i kill rax's in my stabber muahaha. Vexor is paper, a good fited maller kills a vexor for instance. Celestis is prolly the most dangerous with its dampeners but then again does crapy damage and no tank. Best cruiser imo is the rupture as far as tank/gank go. Now try fighting Gallente cruisers with Caldari ones. Vexor or Rax vs Moa / Caracal. Oups, you're dead. Quote: Amarr/Minmatar have some pretty good af's duhhh. The Ishkur is the best, though all races have some nice AFs. Guess which one is the worse. The Hawk, that's right, it's Caldari. Quote: Gallente intys are nice, caldari are nicer. Taranis is a better inty killer than the Crow, Crow is better overall. It is one of Caldari's few good ships.
Benn Helmsman Caldari Helmsman Engineering Company	Posted - 2007.08.06 23:26:00 - [32] Edited by: Benn Helmsman on 06/08/2007 23:26:04 Originally by: Lucus Ranger Blasters = short range, cap eating weapons (admitidly not as much as lasers). They have high damage sure enough, but there are a number of disadvanatges to using these guns due to there short range. You should know that rails eat more cap then blaster, 50% more.
Lucus Ranger Gallente Infortunatus Eventus Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.08.06 23:35:00 - [33] Originally by: Benn Helmsman Edited by: Benn Helmsman on 06/08/2007 23:26:04 Originally by: Lucus Ranger Blasters = short range, cap eating weapons (admitidly not as much as lasers). They have high damage sure enough, but there are a number of disadvanatges to using these guns due to there short range. You should know that rails eat more cap then blaster, 50% more. Yes I'm well aware of that fact to, considering I use them in long range fights :P /Prince of Darkness at your service.. Disclaimer: None of my ideas or posting reflects my Alliance/Corp in any way
Chrysalis D'lilth	Posted - 2007.08.07 01:13:00 - [34] Quote: stuff by dionisius Are you even thinking before you type ? i'm guessing not. Amarr do nice damage with their EM lasers against a 70%+ resist on most armour tanks? yeah right, oh you mean against caldari.... quite possibly the only race in EvE who's ships when it comes to pvp suck more than Amarr? A nice fitted Raven will kill gallentean battleships? rofl, what pipe are you smoking from? maybe if the raven has the perfect situation and circumstances, otherwise only an idiot is going to argue the case of a raven vs a gallente BS. If your fighting vs snipers, they get to shoot you a whole bunch before your stupid missiles ever get close and go afk to make a drink, come back and decide if they need to warp out. Close range, gallente DPS massacres caldari, its not even a contest. As for your whining comment about amarr BS killing gallente ones, see my earlier point and my armour EM resist laughs at your lasers. I trained minimatar/gallente ships for a reason, i know what ships fight well in pvp, and for the most part, amarr and caldari are a joke. revelation and nagalfar ftw in pvp? now if you'd of said phoenix, i'd of had to conceed that with help and lots of painters they can be effective, but srsly, 5x heavy drones out of siege mode, tear up battleships with a 200-250% bonus. wtf is a nagalfar going to do in pvp against ships ? now yeah, you can come out with some smart ass comment to save face like 'shoot pos's' or 'shoot capitals' but we both know that ain't what this thread is about. Smart bombs on battleships, srsly, most people don't fit any - however sure, after your turret slots a BS might fit 1, or possibly 2 if its a raven (tho i'd imagine NOS are by far a more popular choice) So yeah.... its all very nice if you actually have them fitted and actually have any cap..... something that doesn't go too well with the current state of play and most gallente ships making popular NOS boats. Not that your gonna actually kill many drones given a dominix has a 50% hp bonus on its drones unless the gallente pilot is afk and not paying attention to bring them back in. Did you suggest the drake is a good pvp ship? unless its bait (which it kinda sucks as, since everyone knows a drake on a gate is bait), it sucks in pvp. who cares what tank it has, its got the dps of a half dead rodent, and any kind of tackle on it - fatal noobs fly drakes, and they die quite nicely in them too. Hurricaine would as i hinted too in my post, the only other BC to come close to a myrmidon. Cerberus a good hac in comparison to an ishtar? seriously, gtfo this thread and go wash your mouth out for even suggesting they are in the same league.
hUssmann Caldari Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.08.07 01:13:00 - [35] Originally by: Captain Sonata Best HAC(Ishtar) Oh my god my chest, the pain. Ginger Magician > You are merely an effective ganker of haulers who runs at the first sign of combat.
Captain Sonata	Posted - 2007.08.07 01:19:00 - [36] Gallente has it coming, wait and see. BAM outta nowhere, like a mother****** the nerf stick will come and blast you back to Kali. Oh wait, it won't help, 8 heavies on a thorax? Nerf Gallente.
Zubakis Bambooule TALIONIS ALLIANCE	Posted - 2007.08.07 01:30:00 - [37] I have to agree in 1vs1 situations Gallente have the better cards most times. But if i had a choice again, i would take Amarr or Caldari, because Gallente sucks in large scale combat. The range is pathetic, drones sucks in large combat, and you dont have to be Gallente to use RSD's effective . -- Zuba
Hannobaal Gallente Dragonfire Intergalactic Crusaders of Krom Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.08.07 01:43:00 - [38] Caldari pilots who aren't happy with Caldari ships are wannabe Gallente. You want to fight close up with heavy firepower. And that just means that Gallente is the race for you. It doesn't mean that Caldari ships are weak. It just means that you don't particularly care for the type of fighting that Caldari ships are for. ------------------
Incantare Caldari Darkness Inc.	Posted - 2007.08.07 02:18:00 - [39] Originally by: Hannobaal Caldari pilots who aren't happy with Caldari ships are wannabe Gallente. You want to fight close up with heavy firepower. And that just means that Gallente is the race for you. It doesn't mean that Caldari ships are weak. It just means that you don't particularly care for the type of fighting that Caldari ships are for. I use to fly Caldari before crosstraining to Gallente and it wasn't because of the different fighting styles. If Caldari ships could compete on an equal footing with their long range ships as they are there would be no problem. But those ships are slow and cannot maintain range, they deal poor damage and they can't tackle and tank. When you have most combat outside of fleets happening at short range what advantage do they have left? The reality is that Caldari ships have, overall, a far worse PvP performance than Gallente ones.
Hannobaal Gallente Dragonfire Intergalactic Crusaders of Krom Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.08.07 02:27:00 - [40] Originally by: Incantare When you have most combat outside of fleets happening at short range what advantage do they have left? Well, the focus in Eve IS on fleets. And aside from most low-sec piracy that's how most Eve combat happens. ------------------
KD.Fluffy The Refugees	Posted - 2007.08.07 02:27:00 - [41] Quote: I use to fly Caldari before crosstraining to Gallente and it wasn't because of the different fighting styles. If Caldari ships could compete on an equal footing with their long range ships as they are there would be no problem. But those ships are slow and cannot maintain range, they deal poor damage and they can't tackle and tank. When you have most combat outside of fleets happening at short range what advantage do they have left? The reality is that Caldari ships have, overall, a far worse PvP performance than Gallente ones. Couldnt have said it any better then that. I too have cross trained. I am a die hard caldari fan, but I like to kill things too and pvp on a fair footing, so till then my caldari ships are just gonna have to gather dust in my hanger
Incantare Caldari Darkness Inc.	Posted - 2007.08.07 03:04:00 - [42] Edited by: Incantare on 07/08/2007 03:05:18 Originally by: Hannobaal Originally by: Incantare When you have most combat outside of fleets happening at short range what advantage do they have left? Well, the focus in Eve IS on fleets. And aside from most low-sec piracy that's how most Eve combat happens. Caldari range bonuses don't automatically translate into great fleet ships. The Rokh is far less used than the Mega or Tempest, which outdamage it at usual fleet ranges. While the Eagle and Vulture make good support snipers the entire missile ship line is practically worthless in fleets and these are ships which do not have the damage output to compete with the close rangers - they are mid range ships, but without the ability to maintain range mid range does not last long. Anyway, I think the races should be balanced for combat of all scales.
Hannobaal Gallente Dragonfire Intergalactic Crusaders of Krom Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.08.07 03:10:00 - [43] Originally by: Incantare Edited by: Incantare on 07/08/2007 03:05:18 Originally by: Hannobaal Originally by: Incantare When you have most combat outside of fleets happening at short range what advantage do they have left? Well, the focus in Eve IS on fleets. And aside from most low-sec piracy that's how most Eve combat happens. Caldari range bonuses don't automatically translate into great fleet ships. The Rokh is far less used than the Mega or Tempest, which outdamage it at usual fleet ranges. While the Eagle and Vulture make good support snipers the entire missile ship line is practically worthless in fleets and these are ships which do not have the damage output to compete with the close rangers - they are mid range ships, but without the ability to maintain range mid range does not last long. Anyway, I think the races should be balanced for combat of all scales. The missile ships are great in large fleets as long as they ignore primary and pick their own targets (mainly the support). Especially true for Ravens. ------------------
Halkin D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.08.07 03:43:00 - [44] Originally by: Captain Sonata Gallente has it coming, wait and see. BAM outta nowhere, like a mother**** the nerf stick will come and blast you back to Kali. Oh wait, it won't help, 8 heavies on a thorax? Nerf Gallente. one bitter troll right here, more seriously i agree gallente do have some great ships but so do other races. how about we nerf all of em 'back to kali'? Originally by:** Paper Rock's fine, nerf Scissors
Janaga Minmatar	Posted - 2007.08.07 03:56:00 - [45] Originally by: KD.Fluffy Quote: When Caldari pilots stop envying how great Gallente are at extreme short range combat and start using their own ships' strengths to their advantage. Caldari pilots can't becuase there mass and agility has been nerfed to total hell..... at the same time gallente is getting a buff Its funny because I spent my first year and a few months flying caldari.... I rarely got any kills, when I did it was because I was flying with a gallente pilot that could tackle... When I switched to gallente All of a sudden it was easy as heck! The race is broken, though it will never be fixed the only thing I can tell people to do is switch to gallente if you want a fair shot at pvp, or minmatar. Just get the hell away from caldari if you want pvp. Well if that's not the most scientific and controlled test I've ever heard. You heard it here dev's. Get to nerfing. I like your way of testing. Why hasn't this man gotten more killlllz??? Clearly he is uber and it's ships that suck

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