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Mr M	Posted - 2007.08.06 23:46:00 - [1] Here we are yet another week, yet another summer. Most people tend to stay outdoors and get a suntan but not me. Take a look at me, I'm sebiester and pale as a sheet, but garble garble rabble rabble the Eve Tribune! * BoB being pushed back? * Invention for fun and profit * and the long waited review of the Minmatar battleships EVEgeek \| EVE Tribune
Zalathar Minmatar Biometaloid INC	Posted - 2007.08.06 23:47:00 - [2] gonna check it out ~~~~~~ mods, if you think i'm ugly please say "eeek!" ~~~~~~ eeeeeekk - Deckard eeeeee...K -Darth Patches gawwwd damn!!1 -zhuge you soo pretty I think you're stunningly handsome and let me just say that you're wearing that dead parrot on your shoulder in a particularly dashing way today. -Hango Your using up all the space hango! - Timmeh
KaiDoh Maru Terry-Thomas's School for Scoundrels	Posted - 2007.08.07 00:36:00 - [3] Edited by: KaiDoh Maru on 07/08/2007 00:43:24 Great- love tribune & have been waiting for the Minmatar bs review for weeks! PS- The picture of what should be a Maelstrom in the review is of a Tempest atm, not that I mind seeing two pics of the best looking bs in game :)
Stahlregen GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.07 00:46:00 - [4] has anyone else noticed that the length and quality of Eve tribune articles decreases with each subsequent issue? This issue is the worst so far, even worse than last issue which, i believe many also considered to be your worst so far. Might i suggest some fresh new reporters, the ones you have now are somewhat... well, Bad at writing article.
cal nereus Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.07 00:48:00 - [5] Why's the article on BoB so short? --- Grismar.net
Stahlregen GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.07 01:31:00 - [6] Originally by: cal nereus Why's the article on BoB so short? My issue with it isn't necessarily just because of it's size, It's that the BoB article quite literally holds no informative content beyond: "Hey look! BoB is being driven back, but don't worry guys, things can change right? You know this is only happening because super capitals got nerfed right?" There is nothing about who is involved in the conflict and their strengths/weaknesses. It almost looks like it was written by someone who isn't even involved in the fight... oh wait, it was, wasn't it M?
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.08.07 01:41:00 - [7] Originally by: Stahlregen has anyone else noticed that the length and quality of Eve tribune articles decreases with each subsequent issue? This issue is the worst so far, even worse than last issue which, i believe many also considered to be your worst so far. Might i suggest some fresh new reporters, the ones you have now are somewhat... well, Bad at writing article. A hobby turns into something mysteriously like a job, and the hobbyist loses interest. =p Happens all the time.
Goonie Alt	Posted - 2007.08.07 02:18:00 - [8] All I saw was "BoB was winning, CCP did thigs, BoB got pushed back", "Minmatar ships suck" and "Whooo! No more NOS!" with no actual content. Is there a reason someone keeps paying hosting fees for this?
Fabrice Enchante Gallente Active Measures	Posted - 2007.08.07 03:56:00 - [9] Don't listen to the haters. I like Eve Tribune. Not every issue can be the best ever. Keep up the good work! ================<ACTME>======================= Solutions to problems require Active Measures.
Trak Cranker Serenity Inc	Posted - 2007.08.07 10:58:00 - [10] Edited by: Trak Cranker on 07/08/2007 11:02:25 The part on invention is not particularly well done/researched. In fact it does not seem to be written by someone that has been within an AU of running an actual invention job. "It is also worth noting that the quality of the T2 BPCÆs you get will vary directly with the quality of the T1 BPCÆs that you use. The T2 version will also be worse than the T1 prototype, so working with a crappy T1 BPC will really hurt you in terms of production costs." Wrong. T1 BPC quality has no bearing on result. Unless you count the number of runs on the copy as part of the quality. And even that has only bearing on the result in _some_ cases. It definately will have no bearing on production costs. In general it seems that to much information has been taken from CCPs presentations of the matter - rather than what players have experienced.
Hasak Rain Amarr	Posted - 2007.08.07 11:02:00 - [11] I was reading it during the downtime. I can't decide if they hate Minmater ships or not. The review was somewhat negative in tone but they did a good job pointing out the strengths and weaknesses of each ship. Then he ends it by saying something stupid like "At least you aren't Amarr" or whatever. {Sidenote: I am both so thanks a lot.}
Trak Cranker Serenity Inc	Posted - 2007.08.07 11:04:00 - [12] Originally by: Hasak Rain I was reading it during the downtime. I can't decide if they hate Minmater ships or not. The review was somewhat negative in tone but they did a good job pointing out the strengths and weaknesses of each ship. Then he ends it by saying something stupid like "At least you aren't Amarr" or whatever. {Sidenote: I am both so thanks a lot.} Pretty sure an 1400mm fitted Apoc has a better alpha strike than the the Tempest too, now we are talking the Minnie ship reviews.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.08.07 11:38:00 - [13] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 07/08/2007 11:38:51 Originally by: Trak Cranker Originally by: Hasak Rain I was reading it during the downtime. I can't decide if they hate Minmater ships or not. The review was somewhat negative in tone but they did a good job pointing out the strengths and weaknesses of each ship. Then he ends it by saying something stupid like "At least you aren't Amarr" or whatever. {Sidenote: I am both so thanks a lot.} Pretty sure an 1400mm fitted Apoc has a better alpha strike than the the Tempest too, now we are talking the Minnie ship reviews. Apoc) 8 guns * no bonus = 8 (requires nothing) Tempest) 6 guns * 25% bonus = 7.5 (also requires level 5 battleship skill) So yep, Apoc has higher alpha. Minnie dont have a 8 turret ship with a damage bonus, so their alpha is not higher than any other 8 turret ship. Abaddon have the highest alpha in the game I believe. --- Originally by: CCP Wrangler You're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, thats what hello kitty online is for.
Sophia Serpentia	Posted - 2007.08.07 16:32:00 - [14] Originally by: Trak Cranker Wrong. T1 BPC quality has no bearing on result. Unless you count the number of runs on the copy as part of the quality. Why wouldn't you? Originally by: Trak Cranker It definately will have no bearing on production costs. So if you have to run two or even three more invention jobs in order to get the same number of runs, that has no bearing on production costs?
Aries Acheron Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.08.08 05:42:00 - [15] Originally by: Stahlregen Edited by: Stahlregen on 07/08/2007 01:36:20 Originally by: cal nereus Why's the article on BoB so short? My issue with it isn't necessarily just because of it's size, It's that the BoB article holds no informative content beyond: "Hey look! BoB is being driven back, but don't worry guys, things can change right? You know this is only happening because super capitals got nerfed right?" There is nothing about who is involved in the conflict and their strengths/weaknesses let alone any commentary or predictions and absolutely no analysis of the situation, It's merely a basic description that quite literally only consists of waffling that could be condensed into a single sentence "Bob are fighting goons and losing" It almost looks like it was written by someone who isn't even involved in the fight... oooh wait! it was, wasn't it M? If you want to put in your view on what's going on, by all means contact one of our reporters to provide info or whatnot. And seriously, who can be everywhere at once? I'm involved in the FIX/AAA/IAC/MC Front, and as far as I know, we don't have anyone fighting on the BoB/RSF Front except for two members of Goonswarm. I wrote the article based on discussion wth individuals on both sides of the fighting there, and the chaos around finding what station fell when or whatever is maddening to keep track of. We play eve and write for the Tribune for fun. If you want to cry 'bias' at every corner, go for it. If you want to make 'commentary' or 'predictions' at this stage, have fun with wild speculation. I'll refrain from that, and I think so will our other writers. ~~~ Action! Suspense! Jita! Eve Tribune
FinnAgain Zero Domus Fatalis FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.08 09:04:00 - [16] Originally by: Stahlregen has anyone else noticed that the length and quality of Eve tribune articles decreases with each subsequent issue? We totally do that on purpose. Next issue will be written in a series of grunts and whistles. It is worth noting, however, that even though you feel each issue is worse than the last, you keep reading them and then taking the time to tell us all about them. That kind of dedication is admirable. Originally by: Stahlregen This issue is the worst so far, even worse than last issue which, i believe many also considered to be your worst so far. Yay! Originally by: Stahlregen Might i suggest some fresh new reporters, We aren't ready to harvest the new crop from the Vats yet. You might, however, learn to capitalize the perpendicular pronoun before you criticize others' writing. Just a thought. Originally by: Stahlregen the ones you have now are somewhat... well, Bad at writing article. Ahhh, we Bad at writing article, you Good at criticizing article. You read article every week and tell us how Bad us are because you am so Good. You especially hate spelling error. spelling error Bad. i understand. You so Good. We appreciate the time and brainpower you spend. Thank you kindly for your attention.
Stahlregen GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.13 06:25:00 - [17] Edited by: Stahlregen on 13/08/2007 06:25:37 Originally by: FinnAgain Zero Originally by: Stahlregen has anyone else noticed that the length and quality of Eve tribune articles decreases with each subsequent issue? We totally do that on purpose. Next issue will be written in a series of grunts and whistles. It is worth noting, however, that even though you feel each issue is worse than the last, you keep reading them and then taking the time to tell us all about them. That kind of dedication is admirable. Originally by: Stahlregen This issue is the worst so far, even worse than last issue which, i believe many also considered to be your worst so far. Yay! Originally by: Stahlregen Might i suggest some fresh new reporters, We aren't ready to harvest the new crop from the Vats yet. You might, however, learn to capitalize the perpendicular pronoun before you criticize others' writing. Just a thought. Originally by: Stahlregen the ones you have now are somewhat... well, Bad at writing article. Ahhh, we Bad at writing article, you Good at criticizing article. You read article every week and tell us how Bad us are because you am so Good. You especially hate spelling error. spelling error Bad. i understand. You so Good. We appreciate the time and brainpower you spend. Thank you kindly for your attention. So instead of counter-arguing the proliferating opinion in this thread that EVE-Tribune is a piece of ****, Finn choses to entirely attack my points based on the few spelling mistakes i made in a sarcastic tone- And Aeries, writing about events around EVE that he has only heard about through a friend of a friend, then when the article they write is pointed out as being horrendously inaccurate they defend themselves by saying that I should be the one doing my own research and send "tid-bits" to the writers so that their hysterically bad attempt at writing a balanced and informative article is that much easier. It's writers like these that are to blame for Eve-tribune being recognised as the most laughable of all Eve-related news sites.
Lord XSiV Amarr Digital Research - Omega Protocol	Posted - 2007.08.13 07:12:00 - [18] Originally by: Stahlregen Edited by: Stahlregen on 07/08/2007 01:36:20 Originally by: cal nereus Why's the article on BoB so short? My issue with it isn't necessarily just because of it's size, It's that the BoB article holds no informative content beyond: "Hey look! BoB is being driven back, but don't worry guys, things can change right? You know this is only happening because super capitals got nerfed right?" There is nothing about who is involved in the conflict and their strengths/weaknesses let alone any commentary or predictions and absolutely no analysis of the situation, It's merely a basic description that quite literally only consists of waffling that could be condensed into a single sentence "Bob are fighting goons and losing" It almost looks like it was written by someone who isn't even involved in the fight... oooh wait! it was, wasn't it M? Well it isn't like goonies are literary scholars or anything - surprised you can even read in the first place.....
Norwood Franskly	Posted - 2007.08.13 07:29:00 - [19] A guy in our corp fits he's typhoon out in a support role, Shield/armor drones, transfer arrays etc basically it's job is to keep other ships in our fleet alive, seems to work very well in this role. I'm not sure how the nos changes will affect him as he does fit nos. Anyway just an alternative to what you suggested.
cal nereus Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.13 08:05:00 - [20] The amount of readers you have doesn't determine how good something is as a work of writing... some of the worst books in history have the largest number of dedicated readers. :-/ If Eve Tribune is measuring their own success by the number of readers they have, then they aren't measuring based on their quality, but simply on their pisazze (is this a word? I don't know, I'm using it anyways, 'cause I'm inconsiderate of the English language like that). --- Grismar.net
Major Stormer Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.08.13 11:11:00 - [21] Originally by: cal nereus If Eve Tribune is measuring their own success by the number of readers they have, then they aren't measuring based on their quality, but simply on their pisazze (is this a word? I don't know, I'm using it anyways, 'cause I'm inconsiderate of the English language like that). I measure my success by the amount of people I **** off with each article. --- We are Recuiting! If you have what it takes, click me! Oh yeah...click me....yeah...
cal nereus Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.13 16:20:00 - [22] I recommend writing an article that repeats "lol" over and over again then. --- Grismar.net
ChimeraRouge Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2007.08.13 16:50:00 - [23] I agree with the above detractors, EVE Tribune is now just a mere shell of its "somewhat interesting" former self.
FinnAgain Zero Domus Fatalis FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.15 04:38:00 - [24] Originally by: ChimeraRouge I agree with the above detractors, EVE Tribune is now just a mere shell of its "somewhat interesting" former self. Weeping. Honest.
FinnAgain Zero Domus Fatalis FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.15 05:17:00 - [25] Edited by: FinnAgain Zero on 15/08/2007 05:20:58 Here, to help you get in the mood.
cal nereus Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.15 05:34:00 - [26] Well, if people only read stuff they liked, then all they're doing is having a mental jerk-off. Personally, I'd prefer enlightenment over pleasure. Anywho, I'll keep on reading Eve tribune. Why? 'Cause I have hope for you guys. You've had good articles in the past IMHO, and I think you can chug out some more. --- Grismar.net
Trak Cranker Serenity Inc	Posted - 2007.08.15 09:32:00 - [27] Originally by: Sophia Serpentia Originally by: Trak Cranker Wrong. T1 BPC quality has no bearing on result. Unless you count the number of runs on the copy as part of the quality. Why wouldn't you? Because it does not speak as to the cost of producing from it. A 5 run ME-8/PE-4 and a 10 run ME-8/PE-4 BPC has the same quality. One just has more runs than the other. Volume does not speak for quality. Originally by: Sophia Serpentia Originally by: Trak Cranker It definately will have no bearing on production costs. So if you have to run two or even three more invention jobs in order to get the same number of runs, that has no bearing on production costs? A more correct term would perhaps have been construction cost. It has bearing on invention costs only was my point.
Aries Acheron Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.08.15 09:40:00 - [28] Originally by: Stahlregen And Aeries, writing about events around EVE that he has only heard about through a friend of a friend, then when the article they write is pointed out as being horrendously inaccurate they defend themselves by saying that I should be the one doing my own research and send "tid-bits" to the writers so that their hysterically bad attempt at writing a balanced and informative article is that much easier. It's writers like these that are to blame for Eve-tribune being recognised as the most laughable of all Eve-related news sites. That's Aries. But aside from this, how CAN one report news in Eve? Have you been to every fleet battle? Seen every time an event occurs, such as a Mothership going down, or Tyrrax losing an irreplacable ship in a blaze of glory, or Molle getting bubbled up and blown to hell? You haven't told me /where/ something is 'horribly innaccurate'. You've just made this random claim without backing it up and pointing out where something is wrong. Please, tell me where I can buy a crystal ball just like yours to replace human sources? If someone wants to send us a tip, fine. We'll investigate it. If I know some people in the fighting and want to ask them what's the news on the giant 500 ships destroyed marker on the map, okay. I'll ask. It doesn't mean anyone can send a bit of random BS and have it published as the gospel truth. ~~~ Action! Suspense! Jita! Eve Tribune
Altaree Red Frog Investments	Posted - 2007.08.15 10:45:00 - [29] Originally by: Stahlregen So instead of counter-arguing the proliferating opinion in this thread that EVE-Tribune is a piece of ****, Finn choses to entirely attack my points based on the few spelling mistakes i made in a sarcastic tone- And Aeries, writing about events around EVE that he has only heard about through a friend of a friend, then when the article they write is pointed out as being horrendously inaccurate they defend themselves by saying that I should be the one doing my own research and send "tid-bits" to the writers so that their hysterically bad attempt at writing a balanced and informative article is that much easier. It's writers like these that are to blame for Eve-tribune being recognised as the most laughable of all Eve-related news sites. Does't Mr M have an open policy involving what articles are posted? I think he will accept contributions from anyone as long as they are well written and not outright lies. Stop complaining and become a writer for the magazine. Then the truth, as you see it, will be there for the world to see. Right now you are just whining. Get in there and fix it. Mr M will even pay you! Eve tribune request for authors. I guess what my comment boils down to is Put up or Shut up.
Altaree Red Frog Investments	Posted - 2007.08.15 10:49:00 - [30] Oh, where is #33?

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