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Wyliee
Taurus Inc
Karnal Knowledge
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Posted - 2007.08.09 11:15:00 -
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the zealot, once a great ship is now hardly ever seen
its 4 lazers cannot out damage a harbinger. even with 2 heatsink2's. to the point that i never fly it, ill chose the harbinger instead.
it has 5 high slots one of which is utility, and uptill now the only viable option is a noz
there is no way on this planet that you can fit a neut and expect to live in a zealot. and the noz is well..dead/useless/i dont wanna fit one ever again.
give the zealot another lazer slot.
make its damage just above that of the harbinger.
make it worth using again.
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Lore Isander
Caldari
Paisti
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Posted - 2007.08.09 11:35:00 -
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Lazer...
Noz...
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2007.08.09 12:01:00 -
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Hac's should never and will never out damage battle cruisers, especially not the tier 2 variety.
The Harbinger can out damage the Absolution for goddess' sake and you are asking for the Zealot to do even more?
The empty slot will be a nuisance but the fact that the enemies of the Empire can no longer rely on the godless nos to defeat the Zealot around will make a hugs impact on its usability (current Nos is murder on cruiser size capacitors).
On a related note: Don't forget to train those missile skills for the Sacrilege while your at it, it beats the Cerberus silly in webrange :D
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batmoth
Amarr
Empirius Enigmus Navy
Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.08.09 14:15:00 -
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 Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
Hac's should never and will never out damage battle cruisers, especially not the tier 2 variety.
The Harbinger can out damage the Absolution for goddess' sake and you are asking for the Zealot to do even more?
The empty slot will be a nuisance but the fact that the enemies of the Empire can no longer rely on the godless nos to defeat the Zealot around will make a hugs impact on its usability (current Nos is murder on cruiser size capacitors).
On a related note: Don't forget to train those missile skills for the Sacrilege while your at it, it beats the Cerberus silly in webrange :D
granted the sac can knock out most hacs. Yet i believe the zealot needs a ltttle lovin. actually half of the amarr line needs a little lovin. if you compare the laser boats to other races the other races tend to either
A. more damage
B. large range
C. faster rate of fire
the amarr have an issue with just doing em and thermal and by defult 3/4 of the ships outhere armor tank. so that means that most likely your going to be gaing after someone with a 80% resist o em and 75% on therm which hinders the damage that your actually giving. And yes i know about the gallente turret boats only do kin and herm but there mulitpiler is always higher by defualt and if a person is sheld tanking the termal is the weekest point, for armor its going to be both unless they harden and Eamn it thoughly. also gall have better drone bays and tend to be able to use any damage type there.
Amarr are one of the most gimped races when it comes to doing damage we only have 2 types of damge by defualt and lack of really good drone bays (hac's Zealot 0m3, sac 15m3) if they added an extra turret i think it would solve the problem.
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Kaben
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Posted - 2007.08.10 06:43:00 -
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Truthfully I don't see to much of a prob with this, most hac's get 5 turrets (save for the eagle, which obviously has a massive range advantage). 5 turrets wouldn't be to much. The deimos gets 5 turrets with 50m3 drone bay which is really nice dps. The new sac is supposed to get 5 ham's and a 15m3 drone bay. I don't think 5 turrets on a race that is supposed to be, shoot, shoot some more, shoot if it's still alive, then shoot it's wreck just for safe measures would be all that overpowering. It doesn't have a drone bay and like batmoth has said, get in it's falloff and it's pretty useless.
Please note I don't use amarr but I can see the need for this, unless someone can post a very good reason why not to do this, just in case I've missed something.
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Kaben
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Posted - 2007.08.10 08:45:00 -
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Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
Hac's should never and will never out damage battle cruisers, especially not the tier 2 variety.
The Harbinger can out damage the Absolution for goddess' sake and you are asking for the Zealot to do even more?
The empty slot will be a nuisance but the fact that the enemies of the Empire can no longer rely on the godless nos to defeat the Zealot around will make a hugs impact on its usability (current Nos is murder on cruiser size capacitors).
On a related note: Don't forget to train those missile skills for the Sacrilege while your at it, it beats the Cerberus silly in webrange :D
I'm lost on some of this reasoning. 5 turrets would not allow it to outdamage a harbinger. The harbinger gets the damage bonus the zealot does but not the rof bonus. Plus the harby can use med drones giving it more dps not to mention the fact it has 7 turrets.
As far as the absolution goes I'm not sure on that, it has a better base tank with bc bonus to armor resist. It has one more low slot. Considering its base tank it doesn't need alot of armor mods so it can use those low slot for heat sinks, but what do I know, I don't use amarr ships.
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