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Mhorbaine
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Posted - 2007.08.09 12:51:00 -
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Heyo guys (n gals)
Just been ship browsing and stumbled on the hidden beauty that is the rattlesnake... had a thought about mixing 4x cruise launchers with 4x 425mm railguns on its high slots but then hadnt enough resources to make a adequate tank (armour or shield. both are appealing)...
just wondering if anyone had any ideas about how it could be fitted for pve (pvp i'll work on over time if i ever get one)
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CptEagle
Gallente
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.08.09 13:15:00 -
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Its a Raven with another BCU and its not looking ugly. 
So forget rails.
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ShadowlessDesign
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Posted - 2007.08.09 14:01:00 -
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Edited by: ShadowlessDesign on 09/08/2007 14:02:03
Edited by: ShadowlessDesign on 09/08/2007 14:01:27
I have a Rattlesnake I use for my level 4s. It can passive tank every level 4 with ease.
Highs:
Arbalest or Caldari Navy Siege Launchers
1 Drone link Augmentor
1 Heavy Nos
Mids:
2 Invulerablity Fields (I recommend at least one faction invuln), the rest Shield Recharger IIs
Lows:
Shield Power Relay IIs (for the easier level 4s you can swap a SPR2 for a BCU2 for some extra fire power)
Rigs:
Core Defense Field Purger x3
I know what your thinking, why use Shield Rechargers and not Shield Extenders? I have tested both setups and this build works allot better then using Shield Extenders. It also doesnt give you that huge jump in sig radius like the extenders do.
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FT Diomedes
Gallente
Ductus Exemplo
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Posted - 2007.08.09 14:05:00 -
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 Originally by: ShadowlessDesign
Edited by: ShadowlessDesign on 09/08/2007 14:02:03
Edited by: ShadowlessDesign on 09/08/2007 14:01:27
I have a Rattlesnake I use for my level 4s. It can passive tank every level 4 with ease.
Highs:
Arbalest or Caldari Navy Siege Launchers
1 Drone link Augmentor
1 Heavy Nos
Mids:
2 Invulerablity Fields (I recommend at least one faction invuln), the rest Shield Recharger IIs
Lows:
Shield Power Relay IIs (for the easier level 4s you can swap a SPR2 for a BCU2 for some extra fire power)
Rigs:
Core Defense Field Purger x3
I know what your thinking, why use Shield Rechargers and not Shield Extenders? I have tested both setups and this build works allot better then using Shield Extenders. It also doesnt give you that huge jump in sig radius like the extenders do.
Interesting idea. Have to look at that on EFT (not that I will ever fly a Rattlesnake, but always looking for interesting setups).
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Lore Isander
Caldari
Paisti
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Posted - 2007.08.09 14:15:00 -
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Originally by: ShadowlessDesign
Edited by: ShadowlessDesign on 09/08/2007 14:02:03
Edited by: ShadowlessDesign on 09/08/2007 14:01:27
I have a Rattlesnake I use for my level 4s. It can passive tank every level 4 with ease.
Highs:
Arbalest or Caldari Navy Siege Launchers
1 Drone link Augmentor
1 Heavy Nos
Mids:
2 Invulerablity Fields (I recommend at least one faction invuln), the rest Shield Recharger IIs
Lows:
Shield Power Relay IIs (for the easier level 4s you can swap a SPR2 for a BCU2 for some extra fire power)
Rigs:
Core Defense Field Purger x3
I know what your thinking, why use Shield Rechargers and not Shield Extenders? I have tested both setups and this build works allot better then using Shield Extenders. It also doesnt give you that huge jump in sig radius like the extenders do.
Actually you are better off with fitting one Large Shield Extender II instead of one Recharger II. Check the numbers.
Also this setup should work fine, tanks hell of a lot.
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Taipan Gedscho
Muzzletov Gewaltski Inc.
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Posted - 2007.08.09 14:22:00 -
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wouldnt the rigs on that passive setup screw your sig over anyway? besides, in a lvl4 everythings hitting you for full dmg in a bs anyway.
so it might be a good idea, depending on max hp, to cramp some LSE in there.
i cba to do the maths, but its rather simple and im sure you get it down.
now IF you tank lvl5s with that (never saw them let alone read much about them) and those would have capital ships, sigres might make a difference but dont quote me on that.
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demonfurbie
Minmatar
Covert Nexus
Apoapsis Multiversal Consortium
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Posted - 2007.08.09 14:45:00 -
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yeah at that size your gonna get hit with every thing anyway barring cap ships but even then i whouldnt worry about sig radius
passive rattles are nice when ya cant afford the 900m faction shield booster needed for a cnr
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Mhorbaine
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Posted - 2007.08.09 15:06:00 -
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been running it thru EFT and planning for the very distant future (i.e. when i can afford it all)... based this on the comments previously in this thread:
Highs
5x Dread Guri/Caldari Navy Seige Launchers - 80mill each
1x Heavy Diminishing Power System Drain
1x Drone Link Aug
Mid
2x Dread Guri/Caldari Navy Invuln - major expense on this - 330mil+ each
3x Shield Recharger II
1x LSE II
Lows
5x Beta SPR
1x PDS II
Rigs - now this is the interesting bit, but hey the ships a bill so it might as well be all out wallet death :-)...
3x Core Def Purger II's
With my shoddy skills at the mo i get:
17,758 Shield HP - 120.2s regen - 354.53 peak regen
Resists - Em 57.9, Thermal 66.3, Kinetic 74.7, Explosive 83.1
Firepower is sucky but thats cause i've still to train skills properly
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demonfurbie
Minmatar
Covert Nexus
Apoapsis Multiversal Consortium
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Posted - 2007.08.09 16:16:00 -
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Edited by: demonfurbie on 09/08/2007 16:17:24
ive been looking at a more moderately priced setup
Highs:
6x arb torps, 1x nos, 1x open (drone link, tractor, 2nd nos salvager)
Mids:
2x inv t2, 4x recharger 2s
Lows:
4/5x shield power relays, 1/2 bcu 2's
rigs:
3x purgers
and 5x hammerhead 2s and 5x hob 2s
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ShadowlessDesign
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Posted - 2007.08.09 19:13:00 -
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On paper maybe, but in application my setup is better, as I have said I have tested both.
Originally by: Taipan Gedscho
wouldnt the rigs on that passive setup screw your sig over anyway? besides, in a lvl4 everythings hitting you for full dmg in a bs anyway.
so it might be a good idea, depending on max hp, to cramp some LSE in there.
i cba to do the maths, but its rather simple and im sure you get it down.
now IF you tank lvl5s with that (never saw them let alone read much about them) and those would have capital ships, sigres might make a difference but dont quote me on that.
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Riley Craven
Caldari
Copacetic Corporation
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Posted - 2007.08.09 20:36:00 -
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Originally by: ShadowlessDesign
Edited by: ShadowlessDesign on 09/08/2007 14:02:03
Edited by: ShadowlessDesign on 09/08/2007 14:01:27
I have a Rattlesnake I use for my level 4s. It can passive tank every level 4 with ease.
Highs:
Arbalest or Caldari Navy Siege Launchers
1 Drone link Augmentor
1 Heavy Nos
Mids:
2 Invulerablity Fields (I recommend at least one faction invuln), the rest Shield Recharger IIs
Lows:
Shield Power Relay IIs (for the easier level 4s you can swap a SPR2 for a BCU2 for some extra fire power)
Rigs:
Core Defense Field Purger x3
I know what your thinking, why use Shield Rechargers and not Shield Extenders? I have tested both setups and this build works allot better then using Shield Extenders. It also doesnt give you that huge jump in sig radius like the extenders do.
Are you aggroing the whole stage or something???? With a setup like yours you're repping the same ammount as a t2 xl booster with a t2 amp if it ran permanetely... I mean hell you can still do 321 a sec if you drop a SPR 2 and use a t2 bcu instead. At that point what missions couldnt you tank unless the whole thing aggroed you?
I did one lvl 4 missions in my passive tanked raven doing 110 sheilds a sec with and even then I tanked 6-7 of the low tier bs.
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Pebkak
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Posted - 2007.08.10 04:10:00 -
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Edited by: Pebkak on 10/08/2007 04:10:56
Copy/Pasted from another thread:
6 Cruise/Torp Launchers, Drone Link, Nos/whatever
2xDG Invulns, Pithum A Mag(EM) Amp, Pithum A Heat Amp, 2 LSE IIs
3 SPR IIs, 3 BCU IIs
Rigs: 3 Purger Is (going to Purger IIs once the price rationalizes)
If I'm taking Guristas I use 2x Kin Hardener II, and 1x Therm Hardener II with 2x Shield Recharger and a LSE II
I have had absolutely no issues in any level 4 with this tank, its just phenominal for a passive omni tank. Yes its expensive, but when you are starting off with a 1 bil ship you want to fit a decent tank to it. Cap stable around the 50% mark.
You can do the T2 version of this fit and still end up with very nice resists. I would go for the 2 passive/2 invuln route in the mids rather than 3 active T2 hardners. My resists on the above fit are all 73-83%.
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That setup is FTW. I can run every mission with ease, the only stage that's sketchy is AE bonus, the damage output is insane in that pocket.
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Narishema
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Posted - 2007.08.10 04:20:00 -
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Edited by: Narishema on 10/08/2007 04:22:07
Rattlesnake has the fourth best potential non capitol tank in the game.
if you want that..
6 SPR's... the betas for 24% for only 16 cpu each
3 LSE IIs
3 shield hardners of your choice.
If you feel like being lazy, just get 3 omni shield invuln 2's instead of something rat specific.
6 cruise launchers, and 2 nos.
if you really want to be silly... the tank for level 4 is overkill for all missions that I listed. So just load up on F.O.F missiles. Enter any level 4 mission. Turn on all launchers. Go watch a sit com. Come back 30 minutes to an hour later. Loot all wreckage.
The nos is only if you want to run the hardeners in active mode.. which you really won't need to do on any level 4 mission. With high enough compensation skills, whatever you pick for hardeners will work just fine.
Quite disgusting.
*NOTE* this setup requires all passive shield tanking skills and other items. Like purger rigs, and shield implants for slots 7 and 9 for maximum effectiveness.
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Hectaire Glade
Forum Jockey
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Posted - 2007.08.10 06:52:00 -
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My Fit:
6 DG Cruise, Tractor, Drone Link
2 DG Invuln, Pith A Heat passive, Pith A Mag passive, 2* LSE IIs
3* SPR II, 3 * BCS II (I use 1 Officer, 2 tech II)
3 Field Purger rigs.
Never gets woried in level 4s, damage is solid and chews through rats very quickly.
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Lore Isander
Caldari
Paisti
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Posted - 2007.08.10 07:45:00 -
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Originally by: Hectaire Glade
My Fit:
6 DG Cruise, Tractor, Drone Link
2 DG Invuln, Pith A Heat passive, Pith A Mag passive, 2* LSE IIs
3* SPR II, 3 * BCS II (I use 1 Officer, 2 tech II)
3 Field Purger rigs.
Never gets woried in level 4s, damage is solid and chews through rats very quickly.
He knows his stuff, listen to him.
Something I used for a bit in PVP (just an example, use the fit this guy posted):
6x Siege Launcher II
1x Pith X-Type X-Large Shield Booster
2x Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field
1x Gist B-Type Photon Scattering Field
1x Gist B-Type Shield Boost Amplifier/Domination Warp Disruptor
1x True Sansha Heavy Capacitor Booster
2x Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System
2x Dark Blood Power Diagnostics System
1x Damage Control II
1x Co-Processor II
3x Core Defence Capacitor Sa***uard I
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Ceremony Garp
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Posted - 2007.08.10 09:08:00 -
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Originally by: Narishema
...Turn on all launchers. Go watch a sit com. Come back 30 minutes to an hour later...
Narishema,
Reload?
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