Mattduk
Gallente
Universal Army
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Posted - 2007.08.16 19:49:00 -
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I've read the whole thing.
It appears to me, though, that CVA are saying two different things. They aren't too far apart from each other, but they do have two distinctive meanings. On the one hand they claim that CVA is safe space and they've successfully gained sovereignty and they don't seem to have any troubles anywhere except from the CI guys. Yet on the other hand they seem to say that, well it's still 0.0, you still have to look after yourselves, we don't police the region, etc, etc...
It looks to me that the left hand and the right hand have yet to meet.
I think this is where most of the debate is coming from. On the one hand they state they are NRDS, yet on the other hand they shoot suspected macroers in systems in and around Misaba, and neutral Ravens in Dysa who are red to some of the CVA corps, but not to all of them.
Additionally, they seem to feel that they don't tell people who they can and cannot shoot in 'CVA space', yet they will quickly set you to red if you don't follow their KOS list. It's all very confusing, which is to be expected I guess. It can't be easy to have a NRDS, anti-pirate, 'don't shoot neutrals or else' stance, while also claiming to allow their allies to keep their own standings lists.
To me this last point is physically impossible. You can't allow someone to keep their own standings list, and at the same time put them to red because they shot a neutral that was not on the CVA red list. It's impossible to keep these two policies running in harmony because they directly conflict each other.
I mean, listen to it, say it out loud a couple times...
"Sure, keep your own standings list, but don't shoot anyone who is neutral or blue to CVA or we'll make you red too."
Good luck making that miracle happen.
At the end of the day though, CVA don't seem to understand that BUM responded to the OP with THEIR opinion on Providence. CVA seem to think they are the only people allowed to have an opinion on Providence. All other opinions are unworthy and must be smacked/spun to death on the forums.
BUM have then been forced into a smack war regarding their tactics, their targets, their choice of alcholohic beverage... I'm waiting for choice of toilet paper brand. I'm curious!
Bottom line is this:
Providence is not safe. Just as no 0.0 region is safe.
CVA currently has sovereignty in most of the region, but they claim to own it in entirety, which means jack **** unless you want to dock at one of their stations.
Entering Providence is not easy, most pipes in and out are camped by non-CVA forces.
Providence rats are not gorgeous, but better than a kick in the nads.
Providence ore is no better than low sec.
There are many groups of pilots harrassing CVA and CVA friendlies in Providence.
CVA is unable to deal with all their enemies at the same time, so it might be pot luck as to whether you chose a decent entrance point.
Both sides of the argument want you to agree with them, and join their side, regardless of how fiercely they deny it. It's human nature.
Oh and last but not least, CVA are slaver scum hehe :)
Regards
Mattduk
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