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Sapphrine
The Littlest Hobos
Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.08.12 14:27:00 -
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http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=485975
CVA hold majority of OP with Sylph holding IS-. Providence is a free fire zone to U'K and alot of CVA's opportunistic allies are currently feeling the heat as they're under constant attack from other regional forces. CVA and co tend to operate NRDS, majority of other forces will shoot you for using and supporting CVA space.
You're most welcome if you're planning to bring haulers full of loot though :)
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Sapphrine
The Littlest Hobos
Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.08.13 12:44:00 -
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Edited by: Sapphrine on 13/08/2007 12:46:43
If i ever needed an example of how much spin hardin can stick on a single topic, i'm using the above post :)
Whilst we can not stop CVA holding space, we can most certainly inconvenience your logistics. Further to that, as already stated we can substantially upset your allies in the region and make life under CVA rule unpleasant. Before we go any further lets just be blunt. The forces in providence live at your whim. If you chose to remove them for whatever reason, they could not stand against you even if they combined. They lost the only chance they had of doing that when they all decided that they couldn't do it with U'K's backing and bailed.
So what else do we have then... ah yes, the comparison of us with CI constantly. As stated by... well just about everyone... CI are a larger force than us. They are more capable of matching CVA's 'superior tactic' aka. the blob combat and they have been 'bringing it' nicely with mixed successes. They are, I note, operating out and around misaba currently, where CVA's primary presence appears and not out of the former Unity space where the majority of the forces living at CVA's whim are.
As for seeing CVA as the devil incarnate, far from it! I actually have a fair bit of respect for the average CVA pilot in space and I will certainly acknowledge that you know how to do fleet combat. What you never seem to have gotten is that there is the entire other side to combat, that is skirmish combat. Your opponent has a huge fleet of doom? don't fight it :)
I have yet to see a situation where, faced with 5-20 ships, cva doesn't bring 2-4x our number + at least double our capitals. I'm sorry but if you honestly expect us to 'bring it' vs that then you're simply deluded.
We're hardly ill-informed on the current state of your allies, they're all accutely aware that we have that intelligence as you are so lets not go feigning ignorance now hardin. You seem to want us not to post in oposition to your propoganda citing that what we're saying is purely speculation and opinion.... I'm sorry but your side of things is also exactly that. The truth lies, again as already stated, somewhere in the middle.
If you'd like a reduction in the rhetoric and harshness of the criticism laid at your feet i'd suggest that you start to scale back the disgusting level of propoganda you spew onto these forums or infact any others that you post to. There's only one that is in character, i suggest you leave the in character attitude on there.
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Sapphrine
The Littlest Hobos
Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.08.13 15:16:00 -
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 Originally by: Hardin
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Hardin
Your campaign by your own admittance comes down to 'incoveniencing our logistics'. If you were even doing that I would have to give you some credit - but you are not.
Wrong.
Our campaign is about bringing death to your allies.
We've been VERY successful.
Originally by: Sapphrine
Whilst we can not stop CVA holding space, we can most certainly inconvenience your logistics.
Once again, the master of spin is.... spinning :) Traditionally it helps not to prove the other sides point when you're doing it. As butter already said, 'we can most certainly inconvenience your logistics' does not = 'our sole objective is to kill cva'. In fact, as has been said ad nauseum in this thread, in our war decs, and in almost any thread we post, we have very little desire to fight CVA after seeing their fighting style on the whole. Our objective have been proportional to our size and have been consistently successful. This is all you can really ask for from your eve experience.
I welcome the change towards skirmish gangs from CVA as shown the previous night. I would argue that this is a single case to be weighed against many where CVA have not acted in such away. CI for example bring what they think they'll need for a fight.
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Sapphrine
The Littlest Hobos
Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.08.13 15:21:00 -
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Originally by: Garreck
To the OP:
snip lots of useful advise
I'd also suggest that you ask to be added to cva intel channels once you've proven you're not a spy to them. Assuming they're reassured enough then you'll have access to some quite respectable forward intelligence.
The alternative ofc. is to be someone fighting CVA and have all the fun of the fair on that side of the fence complete with similar lists of intelligence channels etc. etc.
the choice, as they say, is yours :)
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Sapphrine
The Littlest Hobos
Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.08.13 15:23:00 -
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Edited by: Sapphrine on 13/08/2007 15:24:14
Originally by: Hardin
There will be a CVA blob 
Then we'll just have to have our own blob (for the eve meet). :)
edited to avoid it getting misquoted at a later date
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Sapphrine
The Littlest Hobos
Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.08.13 16:02:00 -
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Beware teh blob!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAKfGjdh5as
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Sapphrine
The Littlest Hobos
Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.08.14 12:31:00 -
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indeed, made for an interesting read Hardin.
Now for another question. What would happen if those around you made a deal with those usually less friendly forces who operate NBSI around providence. For arguments sake (so take the humour from this all involved) what would be the response to Sylph napping BUM? By that I mean they would not fire on us and we would not fire on them. If they were in a joint gang with cva, they would not engage bum pilots etc etc.
I ask mainly because it led to the rather large headache I ended up fielding as an FC many times in U'K and would be interested in your thoughts on how you guys might tackle it. Also, this could be a conversation point for sat :P
p.s. does your blob drink whisky or tequila? :P
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Sapphrine
The Littlest Hobos
Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.08.14 15:18:00 -
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Originally by: Hardin
(snip politics)
Finally, this particular part of the blob drinks Tequila!
tequila slammers it shall be then. :)
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Sapphrine
The Littlest Hobos
Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.08.14 18:21:00 -
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Edited by: Sapphrine on 14/08/2007 18:22:05
I'd like it noted that Emistal took his (chimera) loss well and fought well given the circumstance. He was trapped and this time we were able to break him. He has survived a number of attempts to drop him in the past so this particular kill was most satisfying.
Well fought Emistal.
edited to specify Emi's ship
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Sapphrine
The Littlest Hobos
Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.08.15 16:07:00 -
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Edited by: Sapphrine on 15/08/2007 16:11:49
I've got to ask, when exactly did we get nano carriers? or nano remote rep bs gangs?
We fight with what is appropriate for the situation. Wandering around in enemy territory with a heavy slow moving gang when we know they have a tendency to blob seems a touch daft. That said, when the opportunity and use arises for a large heavy gang, thats what we use also. I'm fairly certain CVA do the same. Its common sense after all.
You didn't expect us to come and just die against your blobs now did you?
final edit: How much more stationary could we get than lobbing up a pos inside enemy territory as a staging post? You found the first one ok but it seems to simply be taking you ages to get near to doing the second one in :)
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Sapphrine
The Littlest Hobos
Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.08.15 16:42:00 -
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for the last time garreck. It isnt about you being totally powerless. You have lots of ships, lots of resources, lots of space. The problem is you don't really control your space and you leave those that depend on you to a greater extent, as they threw their lot in with you, on their tod to deal with the consequences. Sylph have banded together and have had some success, Slammers and UCE are another story.
Your 'power' in providence is only great if you define it in terms of Stations owned, ability to field fleets for fleet on fleet action where the enemy fight pitched battles against your might armada, or in terms of your logistics prowess. What you don't have the ability to do, is look after your space and patrol effectively to keep the pipes open for anyone not CVA. Hell even CVA freighters die occasionally! :P
Your allies are losing capital ships and you are not helping. Your allies lose valuable logistics and you do nothing. They lose control of their space and are forced to withdraw (ala UCE) and you do nothing. Your allies attempt to fight where you should be fighting to protect providence from the 'pirates' and you do nothing (of note).
CVA can come on here and crow all they like about the fact that they have mighty fleets but at the end of the day, you don't get to choose the terms that BUM, ENH or any other force opposing you engages on. You have the commitment to keep providence secure and therefore you are the ones that have to adapt.
Don't come here bemoaning the fact that we wont stand up and fight in a straight line in front of you whilst you swarm in with BS and Capitals. Adapt and get used to the fact you have to hold the space, all we have to do is raid it :P
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