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ThaMa Gebir Gallente Raddick Explorations Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.08.13 19:17:00 - [31] Originally by: ry ry Originally by: Phiend Honestly, I'm loving it. Just because I dont care about the latest and greatest gfx / hardware as long as I can what I need. So I'm sitting here laughing my ass off at the people who went out and needlessly bought overhyped products because they wanted to be the first on the street with a shiney new way of seeing leet grafix. why so bitter? i'm pretty sure most people buy graphics cards to 'do' graphics, not flaunt their bleeding edge hardware bling to the rest of us. ps. i've got a GeForce7600GS. i'm so far from the bleeding edge i'm starting to clot. Hang on, you are far from the edge??? I have a 9600 pro radeon, how far from the edge am I if you are starting to clot??? ---------------------------- Confirmed heaviest member of RDEX........ Hah, no more hijacks here.
FireFoxx80 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.08.13 20:40:00 - [32] As someone who didn't spend ú200 on a new graphics card, all I can say is... LOL What I do the rest of the time - Vote for a Jita bypass!
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.13 20:51:00 - [33] Originally by: Mtthias Clemi walks into the room Ahem! Titbag ***nuts! that is all.. I hope you're happy. I just had to try* and explain to my GF why I was laughing hard at someone saying "Titbag **nuts"... This thread is fun. Originally by:** ry ry ps. i've got a GeForce7600GS. i'm so far from the bleeding edge i'm starting to clot. Ahem! Some of us make do with our GeForce 6 quite well, thankyou! --------
Ozzie Asrail Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.08.13 21:48:00 - [34] meh, ms are bollox what fresh news :p Will have upgraded my card by then anyway cos i'm a sucker lol -----
Mtthias Clemi Gallente Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.08.13 22:06:00 - [35] Originally by: Patch86 Originally by: Mtthias Clemi walks into the room Ahem! Titbag ***nuts! that is all.. I hope you're happy. I just had to try* and explain to my GF why I was laughing hard at someone saying "Titbag **nuts"... This thread is fun. Originally by:** ry ry ps. i've got a GeForce7600GS. i'm so far from the bleeding edge i'm starting to clot. Ahem! Some of us make do with our GeForce 6 quite well, thankyou! Id love to hear that explanation.. I jumped from a 9600 pro to a 8800gts... i had to make do for a long long time.. i feel your pain. Going back to patch, i dont even let my gf know i use these forums! let alone explain things that happen to her!! -------------------------------------------- Stay away from my signature all of ya!!! IM WARNING YOU!! PEW PEW PEW PEW!
Spawinte The Templars Knights	Posted - 2007.08.13 22:14:00 - [36] So the guys porting dx10 games to xp now haven't got a hope? I really dont want to downgrade to vista, its got more popups than every site on the internet combined.
Mtthias Clemi Gallente Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.08.13 22:15:00 - [37] Originally by: Spawinte So the guys porting dx10 games to xp now haven't got a hope? I really dont want to downgrade to vista, its got more popups than every site on the internet combined. Never quite understood why i dont get those and i have UAC enabled.. never had one "windows needs your permission" message.. ever.. -------------------------------------------- Stay away from my signature all of ya!!! IM WARNING YOU!! PEW PEW PEW PEW!
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.08.13 22:18:00 - [38] Originally by: Spawinte So the guys porting dx10 games to xp now haven't got a hope? I really dont want to downgrade to vista, its got more popups than every site on the internet combined. No, things will be fine because: a) All DX10 games so far have either had full DX9 support, or been from Microsoft (e.g. Halo 2) and had full DX9 support and required just a tiny patch to make it work on XP. b) Since no current cards support DX10, no game developers will use DX10.1 for at least a few years. 23 Member EVE Video makers: save EVE-files bandwidth! Use the H.264 AutoEncoder!
Miss Anthropy School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.08.13 22:36:00 - [39] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Spawinte So the guys porting dx10 games to xp now haven't got a hope? I really dont want to downgrade to vista, its got more popups than every site on the internet combined. No, things will be fine because: a) All DX10 games so far have either had full DX9 support, or been from Microsoft (e.g. Halo 2) and had full DX9 support and required just a tiny patch to make it work on XP. b) Since no current cards support DX10, no game developers will use DX10.1 for at least a few years. It makes you wonder whether it's worthwhile writing a game for dx10 when there's another version coming round the corner. With the length of development cycles these days, by the time any true dx10 game comes out, dx10.1 will be here anyway. What's even worse is that this'll delay Duke Nukem Forever for another 10 years. Hell is other people's ringtones.
Spawinte The Templars Knights	Posted - 2007.08.13 22:40:00 - [40] Originally by: Mtthias Clemi Never quite understood why i dont get those and i have UAC enabled.. never had one "windows needs your permission" message.. ever.. I tried out my brothers brand new PC with Vista Home Premium as soon as he got it. Within 5 minutes of starting to use it i found myself getting very very angry. It asks me a question every time I click on something (a program I want to run) but happily goes off and runs as much of its own garbage in the background as it wants to. The PC was dual core Intel CPU with 2gb memory and from the start was getting choppy and bogged down under the weight of the OS. Also i have never seen such a huge array of buttons and menus and submenus and button/menu hybrids crammed into something as simple as a browser window. I just want navigate to a folder ffs. I'm starting to get really worried for the future. Vista is the best that a company like MS can come up with to run on most of the worlds computers? Don't they understand how important the OS is to us? Don't they use their own damn product? Can they not see these problems? Stuff like this combined with the whole net neutrality movement started up by Greedy Bastards Inc. just makes me think everything in this world is now being created to gain control over us and squeeze every last cent out of us. I'm sick of it.

Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.08.13 22:47:00 - [41] Originally by: Miss Anthropy Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Spawinte So the guys porting dx10 games to xp now haven't got a hope? I really dont want to downgrade to vista, its got more popups than every site on the internet combined. No, things will be fine because: a) All DX10 games so far have either had full DX9 support, or been from Microsoft (e.g. Halo 2) and had full DX9 support and required just a tiny patch to make it work on XP. b) Since no current cards support DX10, no game developers will use DX10.1 for at least a few years. It makes you wonder whether it's worthwhile writing a game for dx10 when there's another version coming round the corner. With the length of development cycles these days, by the time any true dx10 game comes out, dx10.1 will be here anyway. What's even worse is that this'll delay Duke Nukem Forever for another 10 years. Just because its out doesn't mean anyone will use it. Most developers will probably wait until DX11 to make the switch, simply because there's no good reason to alienate all the 8x00 and 2x00 series owners just to get the few features that 10.1 offers. 23 Member EVE Video makers: save EVE-files bandwidth! Use the H.264 AutoEncoder!
Mtthias Clemi Gallente Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.08.13 22:56:00 - [42] Originally by: Spawinte Originally by: Mtthias Clemi Never quite understood why i dont get those and i have UAC enabled.. never had one "windows needs your permission" message.. ever.. I tried out my brothers brand new PC with Vista Home Premium as soon as he got it. Within 5 minutes of starting to use it i found myself getting very very angry. It asks me a question every time I click on something (a program I want to run) but happily goes off and runs as much of its own garbage in the background as it wants to. The PC was dual core Intel CPU with 2gb memory and from the start was getting choppy and bogged down under the weight of the OS. Also i have never seen such a huge array of buttons and menus and submenus and button/menu hybrids crammed into something as simple as a browser window. I just want navigate to a folder ffs. I'm starting to get really worried for the future. Vista is the best that a company like MS can come up with to run on most of the worlds computers? Don't they understand how important the OS is to us? Don't they use their own damn product? Can they not see these problems? Stuff like this combined with the whole net neutrality movement started up by Greedy Bastards Inc. just makes me think everything in this world is now being created to gain control over us and squeeze every last cent out of us. I'm sick of it. Dunno why u quoted me and you didnt really address what i said, but i work fine with vista all the time, just seems like windows to me with a nicer looking interface and some new improvements, running 8800 2gbram and core2duo and it runs fine for me, i get good fps on my games eve is 200+ wic was 40-50 But obv there are some common problems that people have, need addressing. But not everyone feels the same way. -------------------------------------------- Stay away from my signature all of ya!!! IM WARNING YOU!! PEW PEW PEW PEW!
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.13 23:06:00 - [43] Originally by: Dark Shikari Most developers will probably wait until DX11 to make the switch, simply because there's no good reason to alienate all the 8x00 and 2x00 series owners just to get the few features that 10.1 offers. At a guess, trouble will probably come with DX10.2, when Microsoft can think of something actually worth having to add. As it'd be inevitably bundled with the DX10.1 "features" that are causing the drama... Presumably, MS are only waiting until they can actually invent something worth adding... --------
HeyRahNah The Republican Guard The Sundering	Posted - 2007.08.14 00:01:00 - [44] Lol. My mighty 8800gtx costing near ú400 says pshhh to yall! As long as crysis runs im gonna be happy And i bought a new gfx card when i built a totally new system. figured might aswell get me 1 that lasts a while... lol. And vista... yes i know it sucks but i use it anyway. and after turning off UAC i dont get any popups that you dont get on xp or the like. To the guy with no popups on his vista.... do you have uac on? if so it sounds like your copy is broken! ah mah gawd! wouldnt be a surprise though vista can be insanity!
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.08.14 00:20:00 - [45] Big deal, any game designing company that makes a game dx 10.1 only will kill their game before release. Will they include bonus options for 10.1 users? Sure, but thatll be just like todays games where dx 10 users get more options then dx 9. ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
jbob2000 Gallente KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.14 02:12:00 - [46] sigh This is what a capitalist economy gets you -_- ________________________________
Spawinte The Templars Knights	Posted - 2007.08.14 04:22:00 - [47] Originally by: Mtthias Clemi Dunno why u quoted me and you didnt really address what i said, but i work fine with vista all the time, just seems like windows to me with a nicer looking interface and some new improvements, running 8800 2gbram and core2duo and it runs fine for me, i get good fps on my games eve is 200+ wic was 40-50 But obv there are some common problems that people have, need addressing. But not everyone feels the same way. i dunno why i quoted you either, apologies for the incoherent rant
Ealiom Infinitus Morti R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.08.14 10:04:00 - [48] Edited by: Ealiom on 14/08/2007 10:08:25 Originally by: Dark Shikari Since no current cards support DX10, no game developers will use DX10.1 for at least a few years. I assume you meant DX10.1. Nvidia 8000 series all have full DX10 support. I don't understand what you guys are complaining about. If this is just a micro[monopoly]soft *** fest then i'll leave it well alone. DX9 had 3 official updates DX9a, DX9b and DX9c. Did we see people hitting the forums crying tears of blood about that!?! No, because it was a good thing - Pixel Shader 3.0 was a good thing! Rather than having to wait years for a full new build of DX to arrive Microsoft are adding new instructions sets more frequently allowing developers the choice** to use them or not. Why should i have to wait an extra year for a new pixel shader algorithm. If its finished let them release it now - let developers utilize it in there games. As i siad before just becuase the game uses full DX10.1 or 10.2 doesnt mean your graphics card cant utilize the new instruction set. It could just mean it isn't optimized for it. But don't let me get in the way of common sense, continue the bash a microsoft thread. Its not like we dont have enough of those! p.s. I just read about a group who have designed an extremely fast new algorithm for rendering accurate volumetric lighting. It looks set to be used in high end 3d packages as well as games. Now why should i have to wait even longer for that technology when it can be added to a DX10 revision. Revisions = good thing. let the MS bashing commence ModelsBlackbird Executioner
F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2007.08.14 10:19:00 - [49] Did your not-that-old graphics card become obsolete when DX9b was introduced? I didn't think so. Yes, progress is good. But progress that screws over the last thing to come along isn't good. Outside the computer industry this is obvious. I used to get It. Then It changed. Now I don't even know what It is.
Ealiom Infinitus Morti R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.08.14 10:23:00 - [50] Originally by: F'nog Yes, progress is good. But progress that screws over the last thing to come along isn't good. How exactly are we, DX10 or developers being screwed over? ModelsBlackbird Executioner

Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.14 10:26:00 - [51] Originally by: Ealiom stuff According to the slashdot article (which is what we're discussing- if you think it's wrong, go argue it there) DX10.1 doesn't actually "add" any new technologies or developments. All it does is make some things that are optional in DX10 compulsory. It doesn't "allow developers the choice to use them or not", it takes away their choice to not use certain undesirable aspects of DX10. To be specific, it makes compulsory the parts that prevent it from being used on a non-Vista platform, and incidentally that is incompatible with current "DX10 compliant" graphics hardware. Just to reiterate- it adds nothing new, it just limits developer choice, obsoletes hardware, and incidentally helps Microsoft sell copies of Vista (at the exclusion of their own XP customers no less). I struggle to see the bright side, from a consumer perspective. --------
Ealiom Infinitus Morti R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.08.14 10:37:00 - [52] Edited by: Ealiom on 14/08/2007 10:39:36 Other than hacked DX10 for XP wasn't that always the case?. This is just Microsoft second attempt at making DX10 vista only. Games developers have always developed there games to whichever DX version. They cannot assume that people will hack DX10 for XP. When they design there game they ask themselves if it will be DX10 or DX9. When they decide DX10 they dont assume that it will be available for all XP users. Only Vista. Nothing has changed here except those that have a hacked DX10 running on XP, getting upset about it. Boohoo this is microsoft did you expect them to say darn it all those sneaky blighters bested us again. They'll patch the ***** till you can't get it on XP. Until i see benchmark performances showing that DX10.1 running on a DX10 compliant graphics card results in a significant loss of FPS. It wont change a thing. From what you say this is basically a security patch to DX10 to stop XP users runnign DX10. It wont effect the instruction sets and shouldn't IF coded well effect any performance from DX10 cards. This does not make them redundant! ModelsBlackbird Executioner
Ealiom Infinitus Morti R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.08.14 10:50:00 - [53] hahaha been reading all those articles. They all start the same BAM WHERE DOOMED followed by ahh its a piddle thing MS are just playing up again. This is non news and it doesn't effect us as gamers in the slightest. I hate these drama enflamed websites there are bad as newspapers now-a-days. Everything I said before still holds true - Having a DX10 card is not going to effect anything. You will still be able to play all those tasty new games easily. Developers would have to develop specifically for DX10.1 something i can't see happeneing anytime soon. And even then your DX10 card will still work!! DRAMA ModelsBlackbird Executioner
Vina Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.08.14 11:40:00 - [54] Originally by: Lilan Kahn Now if they only forced every one to run in 64 bit that would be a good thing. ----------------------------------- my opinion is my own.
Vina Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.08.14 11:44:00 - [55] Edited by: Vina on 14/08/2007 11:43:59 btw, MS isn't unethically pushing anything down your throats. You have the choice not to upgrade, and most of us playing eve probably won't need to have a DX10.1 card for a long ass time (read: 3+ years.) The only people planning on playing DX10 games are hardcore FPS****ots, and they will have the hardware and vista anyway. so it really changes nothing. and yea, the first generation DX10 cards are pretty terrible. ----------------------------------- my opinion is my own.
Sameth Daret hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.08.14 11:53:00 - [56] two new links from my duplicate thread. http://www.istartedsomething.com/20070808/direct3d-101-siggraph/ and http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2164632,00.asp - Original Pirating Material -
Kodiak31415 An Eye For An Eye Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.08.14 17:18:00 - [57] Oh come on people, just upgrade to vista. Its a much better operating system than XP and bug free to boot! (according to the sales guy at best buy) Anyone know when the geforce 9 series is coming and if its going to support dx10.1 _______________________________ Pleese exucse any seplling erorr's in tihs psot
Ealiom Infinitus Morti R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.08.14 23:43:00 - [58] Originally by: Kodiak31415 Oh come on people, just upgrade to vista. Its a much better operating system than XP and bug free to boot! (according to the sales guy at best buy) Anyone know when the geforce 9 series is coming and if its going to support dx10.1 No firm information at present just speculation. I expect to hear something more concrete by the end of this month. nVidia have just allowed the creation of the Ultra series so i doubt they will be releasing anything soon. ModelsBlackbird Executioner
Reiisha Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.08.15 01:53:00 - [59] Apparently, the GeForce 9000 series will come in Q1 2008 (or so i've heard - don't take my word on this). Even if this is true, i'm hardpressed to believe that NVidia has had any time to implement all the dx10.1 features. The 'new' version apparently has been in beta testing only for 2 weeks (how the hell do you beta test something like that?), and i can only assume that this also includes releasing the code to developers during this time. In other words, NVidia and ATI have only had the specs for a couple of weeks at the most, and i really doubt their ability to start creating hardware for that purpose considering the alleged changes. Not to mention, game devs also only got the new specs not too long ago, and the only projects that would benefit from this would be relatively new projects still in their engine building stage. I can't imagine devs retrofitting their tech just like that, especially considering that this 10.1 market will be small at best since no hardware for it has even been announced. The failure of Halo 2 on the PC will also scare away people from setting their sights on 10.1 too soon - All current dx10 games have their basics in dx9 after all (all those early Crysis screenshots were made in dx9, obviously). The problem here is that Microsoft is trying to make both software and hardware platform exclusives. At the moment no developer will even think about making their games Vista exclusive, considering the 'success' of Halo 2, aswell as not all companies can run the risk of having their game flop due to limiting their market too much. Developers that actually matter in this respect (Epic, id and those kind of triple-A/engine devs) will prolly not be tempted to take this ride too soon anyway, especially given the ridiculously small changes this 'upgrade' to directx offers. But this is just all a guess. EVE History Wiki
Redflare Caldari SwEaTy ArMpIT RaIDeRs Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.08.17 08:40:00 - [60] This originated on The inquierer. You know, the guys taht said we'd have a 30GHz Pentium 3 by 2005? AKITAS!!!11



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