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RuleoftheBone Minmatar Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.08.13 09:38:00 - [1] Originally by: Banana Torres Anyway if AFK cloaking was nerfed the AFK cloakers would just adapt. And you would be back on these forums whining for their new tactics to be nerfed. What he said. And I also like how the OP presents his "arguement" as the be-all end-all no opposing opinions allowed. Pathetic "Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
RuleoftheBone Minmatar Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.08.13 10:18:00 - [2] Edited by: RuleoftheBone on 13/08/2007 10:24:50 Edited by: RuleoftheBone on 13/08/2007 10:23:07 Originally by: Yellow Pixie Originally by: RuleoftheBone Originally by: Banana Torres Anyway if AFK cloaking was nerfed the AFK cloakers would just adapt. And you would be back on these forums whining for their new tactics to be nerfed. What he said. And I also like how the OP presents his "arguement" as the be-all end-all no opposing opinions allowed. Pathetic I think you got me wrong. I did not say no one can post against me. I asked for no one to HELP me. There is dishonor in this? Post with your main so we can all see the awesome combat power of the 0.0 alliance you represent . I wonder if it's one that harbors macro's and isk farmers that sell ISK for RL cash? Or one that camps 0.0 chokepoints with monster bubbles killing Velators? Or one that simply excels at whining on the forums while hanging on the coattails of a real alliance? And to the best of my knowledge CCP has NEVER promised that cloaked ships can be probed. Another laugher of a thread . Oh...and congratulations to you as well for validating the tactic yet again . If all it takes to shut your operations down is the presence of an unknown...well...ahahahaha . "Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
RuleoftheBone Minmatar Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.08.13 12:21:00 - [3] Edited by: RuleoftheBone on 13/08/2007 12:22:34 Originally by: Yellow Pixie "Post with your main so we can all see the awesome combat power of the 0.0 alliance you represent ." Who I am in game has nothing to do with this subject. Fight the subject itself. Do not try to use weasel tactics that mean nothing. "Oh...and congratulations to you as well for validating the tactic yet again . If all it takes to shut your operations down is the presence of an unknown...well...ahahahaha ." EXACTLY. All it takes is a handful of people who are willing to go to sleep while cloaked, go to work while claoked ETC to shut down ANYONES entire home system. That is EXACTLY why it is not balanced. Ahahahahahaha....post with your main little lamb . This thread delivers much cheese. And weasel tactics? Oh...you mean calling cough BS cough your post anything other than a plea to turn EvE into something other than the high-stakes game it actually is? I wonder how thrilled your fellow alliance pilots would be if they knew exactly who you really are: "Oooo...Yellow Pixie posted again about cloaks" "Who?" "You know...the dude who rats or runs missions while we fight 'x' to preserve our space?" "Tool" p.s. I am now AFK....cloaked...in your thread "Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
RuleoftheBone Minmatar Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.08.13 12:25:00 - [4] Edited by: RuleoftheBone on 13/08/2007 12:25:23 Originally by: Yellow Pixie However, did you see ever the Iraqi scream " Oi US make ya Stealthbombers vissible yeah, cos we got a hard time trackin em ya know..." or US troops going: "oi could ya tell ya fundementalist mates to stop blowing up themselfs?.." Real life is not fair. Tons of horrible, unfair things which cannot or will no time soon be fixed exist. EVE, however, is a game. A game where when you PVP, you are fighting against other real players. The game is supposed to be fair and balanced. It is not perfect, but it strives for perfection. When an issue is brought up, the developers seek to correct the issue if it is not balanced. Next? RL has no context here troll . Your post should be moderated. Perhaps if you spent more time guarding your systems...if you can...and less posting of useless whines you would be better off . Ooops...I decloaked in your thread again. F1 "Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
RuleoftheBone Minmatar Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.08.13 12:28:00 - [5] Decloaks again The best thing that could happen RIGHT NOW would be for CCP to make a definitive statement once and for all on the issue. Then everyone could shut up already F1 "Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
RuleoftheBone Minmatar Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.08.13 12:37:00 - [6] Originally by: Dr Qu Originally by: RuleoftheBone Edited by: RuleoftheBone on 13/08/2007 12:22:34 Originally by: Yellow Pixie "Post with your main so we can all see the awesome combat power of the 0.0 alliance you represent ." Who I am in game has nothing to do with this subject. Fight the subject itself. Do not try to use weasel tactics that mean nothing. "Oh...and congratulations to you as well for validating the tactic yet again . If all it takes to shut your operations down is the presence of an unknown...well...ahahahaha ." EXACTLY. All it takes is a handful of people who are willing to go to sleep while cloaked, go to work while claoked ETC to shut down ANYONES entire home system. That is EXACTLY why it is not balanced. Ahahahahahaha....post with your main little lamb . This thread delivers much cheese. And weasel tactics? Oh...you mean calling cough BS cough your post anything other than a plea to turn EvE into something other than the high-stakes game it actually is? I wonder how thrilled your fellow alliance pilots would be if they knew exactly who you really are: "Oooo...Yellow Pixie posted again about cloaks" "Who?" "You know...the dude who rats or runs missions while we fight 'x' to preserve our space?" "Tool" p.s. I am now AFK....cloaked...in your thread So, what you want is for EVE to be highstake to the people owning a system, while it should be easy surfing for the cloakers? You, Sir, are a <beep>. Some of us are advocating a leveled playing field, forcing threat on the AFK Battleship / Command Ship / HAC / etc cloakers, making their game have a risk and not just reward. Dr Qu...I will actually answer you with some respect. I feel that ONLY COVOPS/Recons/T2 transports should be able to fit cloaks. End of story. I also would have no issue at all with a 1 hour timer that disconnects those players who perform no actions in that timeframe. Not only does it get rid of the "AFK" issue, but also clears the server of deadwieght parked AFK in a station or POS as well. What do you think of that? Easy change requiring no nerf to real COVOPS/Recon pilots. And you still get to keep the ridiculous local tool as well . As for the OP...he is simply trolling because it can. And it is probably bored at work wishing it could AFK from life . F1 "Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
RuleoftheBone Minmatar Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.08.13 12:41:00 - [7] Originally by: Yellow Pixie BUMF Sorry..no more response for you it. Post with your main and I'll think about it . F1 "Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
RuleoftheBone Minmatar Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.08.13 12:43:00 - [8] Originally by: Dr Qu Originally by: RuleoftheBone I feel that ONLY COVOPS/Recons/T2 transports should be able to fit cloaks. End of story. Something we agree on :) And the 1 hour AFK timer applied to ALL? "Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
RuleoftheBone Minmatar Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.08.13 14:18:00 - [9] Originally by: Dr Qu Originally by: RuleoftheBone Originally by: Dr Qu Originally by: RuleoftheBone I feel that ONLY COVOPS/Recons/T2 transports should be able to fit cloaks. End of story. Something we agree on :) And the 1 hour AFK timer applied to ALL? That already happens to me at times. If I leave my client untouched for some time (the times I have tried, I've done it longer then 2 hours), I come back and see the EVE client still on. But the moment I try to do something, it disconnects me. The 1 hour disconnect thing is a good idea, but would most likely end up being a wasted effort. Too easy to get around using 3rd party software and similar methods. No, I will hold firm to my idea regarding Cloak Jammers. CCP is already half way there having implemented the Cyno Jammer. :) Is it that easy to implement 3rd party client side exploits? I rather doubt that. And that is CCP's problem to deal with (a simple client-side CHECKSUM on each log on would sort that actually...hint hint CCP ). Or the implementation of a VAC-type solution? Cloak jammer? Eh? That I will 100% disagree with. Alliances have enough sov-realted cake and cookies as it is. If a cloak jammer is EVER remotely considered we better see non-capital jump portal generators as well . "Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
RuleoftheBone Minmatar Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.08.13 16:42:00 - [10] Edited by: RuleoftheBone on 13/08/2007 16:47:47 Originally by: Dr Qu Originally by: RuleoftheBone Originally by: Dr Qu Originally by: RuleoftheBone Originally by: Dr Qu Originally by: RuleoftheBone I feel that ONLY COVOPS/Recons/T2 transports should be able to fit cloaks. End of story. Something we agree on :) And the 1 hour AFK timer applied to ALL? That already happens to me at times. If I leave my client untouched for some time (the times I have tried, I've done it longer then 2 hours), I come back and see the EVE client still on. But the moment I try to do something, it disconnects me. The 1 hour disconnect thing is a good idea, but would most likely end up being a wasted effort. Too easy to get around using 3rd party software and similar methods. No, I will hold firm to my idea regarding Cloak Jammers. CCP is already half way there having implemented the Cyno Jammer. :) Is it that easy to implement 3rd party client side exploits? I rather doubt that. And that is CCP's problem to deal with (a simple client-side CHECKSUM on each log on would sort that actually...hint hint CCP ). Or the implementation of a VAC-type solution? Cloak jammer? Eh? That I will 100% disagree with. Alliances have enough sov-realted cake and cookies as it is. If a cloak jammer is EVER remotely considered we better see non-capital jump portal generators as well [8)]. Oh, you mean like Jump Bridge generators, or whatever they are called? Allowing ships of all sizes to jump between POSes within an Alliances Sovereign space? :P No. A non-cap ship mounted portal generator with say a cap of 10-15 ships. This lets your friends drop in for surprise visits . Seriously...a rather nice way to further encourage guerilla warfare and reduce blobs/bubbles on gates. Now THAT would seriously open space up for small scale fighting and utter chaos . I can dream right? "Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
RuleoftheBone Minmatar Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.08.13 16:44:00 - [11] Originally by: Elmicker Originally by: Taurequis Would make the game a billion times better. The entire basis of the problem behind AFK cloakers is the potential threat of an unidentified hostile in system. Removing local would take that potential threat from 1 UFO to infinity. Sounds interesting and fun, but its not. You have zero credibility here. Please cease posting and return to killing Velators with your Arazu oh mighty alliance warrior . "Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
RuleoftheBone Minmatar Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.08.13 19:02:00 - [12] Originally by: Elmicker Why shouldn't local be an intel tool? Because in space...no one can here you whinge. Except in local. And on the forums . Cue music: "The low ride....er...is a little hider" F1 "Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
RuleoftheBone Minmatar Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.08.14 01:28:00 - [13] Originally by: Elmicker Originally by: Regaul Kinath u dont know how to counter it Alright then, tell us how, oh great spelling and grammar master. Ahhh....the ultimate arguement. When all else fails bring on the internet grammar police . Again...based on your AWESOME combat record (and folks...feel free to Google it) of killing an Incursus and a Velator...with an Arazu...a CLOAKED recon mind you...and your 20 other blob kills; well, one has to wonder what your corp and alliance mates think of you blasting those dangerous 0.0 rats while alt mining for your pocket while they attempt to protect you . And you keep pointing at others and stating "ooo...you must not know about 0.0 blah blah" as your second arguement. This is rather odd given your remarkable and obvious lack of participation in defending "your" space. I am laughing even more now. And your enemies are no doubt enjoying watching you squirm KNOWING that you are running scared . Advice? Quit while you remain behind . "Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
RuleoftheBone Minmatar Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.08.14 01:55:00 - [14] Originally by: Elmicker Further rubbish Its not about the kills. Its about your fear and lack of any effort beyond starting and posting in useless threads crying for game adjustments that affect EVERYONE to suit YOU. If you have no stake...why do you care? "Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
RuleoftheBone Minmatar Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.08.14 10:39:00 - [15] Edited by: RuleoftheBone on 14/08/2007 10:43:41 Originally by: Steel Tigeress Originally by: RuleoftheBone Decloaks again The best thing that could happen RIGHT NOW would be for CCP to make a definitive statement once and for all on the issue. Then everyone could shut up already F1 I think they pretty much did that when they said "Cloaks will be made probable in the future" You lose. Link and details please. All I see is speculation and suggestions. And again...for the record as I have suggested previously across multiple threads (not that anyone cares or reads): -Bring in a one hour AFK timer applicable to ALL including those perma docked at stations and camped in POS's. And before anyone chimes in with the "3rd party software" counter-how many pilots aside from those macro/farmer types really use them? Aside from clearing the so-called AFK issue would this not also reduce server load helping to increase performance? -Eliminate cloaks from ALL ships excepting COVOPS/Recons/Stealth Bombers/T2 transports. Full stop. Or from a purely immersion standpoint...allow the cloaks for other combat ships but penalize them with the inability to activate ANY offensive modules with the cloak equipped. -While we are at it...apply the same rule (inability to activate offensive mods) to those who fit WCS on combat ships. Full stop. "Interference from the WCS prevents you from activating that module". Seems pretty straightforward to me. But it's much easier to cry for a nerf and "speshul uber alliance sov mods" I suppose . EDITA browse though the GD forums again shows absolutely NO dev comments on the issue that I can see beyond player comments and suggestions. I lose how?? "Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
RuleoftheBone Minmatar Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.08.14 11:48:00 - [16] Edited by: RuleoftheBone on 14/08/2007 11:49:17 Originally by: Elmicker Link plus further rubbish Quote: Cheers for the link. It would appear that the lack of further comment might indicate that the devs have thought the better of the idea. "An AFK timer will never happen. It is not up to CCP to dictate how or when you play the game that you pay for. It also brings the metagame into the game, something i'd hate to see happen." As you keep pointing out...AFK is not playing is it? And what do you mean regarding metagaming? I take metagaming to mean using OOG methods to gain an edge. How is this relevant? "Eliminating cloaks from all non-dedicated ships has too much of an impact on too many setups, and would require a massive rebalancing effort, probably resulting in more bugs and balance issues than we could collectively imagine" What setups? The WCS and cloak-geared Raven? . Its a simple fix. Anyway..this thread is chasing its own tail in a pointless fashion. The stage is yours . "Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
RuleoftheBone Minmatar Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.08.14 12:42:00 - [17] Originally by: Elmicker Originally by: RuleoftheBone As you keep pointing out...AFK is not playing is it? And what do you mean regarding metagaming? I take metagaming to mean using OOG methods to gain an edge. How is this relavent? I- No, i meant dictating ingame activity based on out of game factor and vice versa. This is metagaming. It brings in a factor that isn't part of the game mechanics, but rather real life. The game should, as much as is possible for an MMO, be removed from real life. Quote: What setups? The WCS and cloak-geared Raven? . Its a simple fix. II-Haulers, nanoships, snipers, BE Ravens, cloaked combat recons, cloaked T1 cyno frigs etc. There's more than you'd think. I have absolutely no opposition to creative use of cloaks, and cloaks on any other fits. I encourage it and i want to see more. I think theyre brilliant modules. The only thing i have a problem with is people abusing the protection they give to act as a psychological influence via local chat. This is absolutely my last post in this thread...probably to everyone's relief...or the small percentage of EvE that actually reads these forums. Your Point I-What ARE you on about? How is kicking an AFK player from station/POS after 1 hour of zero activity "metagaming" or dictating play? If a RL situation comes up while playing that will require my attention for a reasonable amount of time I will either dock or make a SS (without aggro natch ) and log off until I am free to play again. The same applies to AFK cloaked in space. No keyboard or mouse input for 1 hour? Kick from server. Your point II-Nanoships with cloaks? BE's cloaked Ravens? Cloaked snipers? Haulers? Look...as I mentioned umpteen times already cloaks should be for the dedicated covops/recons/SB's/T2 transports. The difference between pilots like you and those of BE is they will adapt tactics if/when changed...where all you can do is run to the forums and complain in a circular fashion . And a cloak on a nano-ship sort of defeats the purpose don't you think? F1...dock....log "Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA

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