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xxanjoahir
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.01.14 12:06:00 -
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Discuss....
Small pvp corp wanting good fights is constantly being blobbed....
seems to be the norm these days .... |
Vyl Vit
Cambio Enterprises
211
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Posted - 2012.01.14 12:12:00 -
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What've you got against Steve McQueen?
Anyone with any sense has already left town. |
Valei Khurelem
147
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Posted - 2012.01.14 12:17:00 -
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You asked an honest question about blob tactics and PvP, prepare for 10 pages worth of trolling, In all seriousness I'd really like someone to properly discuss this though but the people who supposedly do this sort of thing won't have any of it. |
Dradius Calvantia
Creative Cookie Procuring
Rote Kapelle
235
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Posted - 2012.01.14 12:26:00 -
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I get small gang good fights all the time....
You are doing it wrong. |
Orvy Bearmedeer
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.01.14 12:35:00 -
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Dradius Calvantia wrote:I get small gang good fights all the time....
You are doing it wrong.
I believe domestic fights with your wife do not count as small gang fights. She asked something else...
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Tore Vest
Vikinghall
132
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Posted - 2012.01.14 12:36:00 -
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You know...
Safety in numbers.... |
xxanjoahir
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2012.01.14 12:38:00 -
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Dradius Calvantia wrote:I get small gang good fights all the time....
You are doing it wrong.
I know thats a lie as we fight against you guys and your small gang is is always 10 more than what we bring. |
Halcyon Ingenium
Infomorph Research and Technology
127
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Posted - 2012.01.14 12:45:00 -
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xxanjoahir wrote:Discuss....
Small pvp corp wanting good fights is constantly being blobbed....
seems to be the norm these days ....
Nothing moves the Blaaaaawb!
That which always was, and is, and will be everlasting fire,
the same for all, the cosmos, made neither by god nor man,
replenishes in measure as it burns away. -Heraclitus |
Dradius Calvantia
Creative Cookie Procuring
Rote Kapelle
235
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Posted - 2012.01.14 12:50:00 -
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xxanjoahir wrote:
I know thats a lie as we fight against you guys and your small gang is is always 10 more than what we bring.
Post with your main or your opinion is not valid. We will kill people if they are dumb enough to trow them selves at our fleet when they are out numbered, but we are constantly down shipping, splitting fleets and going separate directions, and taking fights at 2/1 or 3/1 odds. When we undock, it is in search of as even a fight as we can find.
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xxanjoahir
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2012.01.14 12:57:00 -
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Dradius Calvantia wrote:xxanjoahir wrote:
I know thats a lie as we fight against you guys and your small gang is is always 10 more than what we bring.
Post with your main or your opinion is not valid. We will kill people if they are dumb enough to trow them selves at our fleet when they are out numbered, but we are constantly down shipping, splitting fleets and going separate directions, and taking fights at 2/1 or 3/1 odds. When we undock, it is in search of as even a fight as we can find.
Who made you fuc-in forum queeny i will post with who i want to protect the name of the corp i fly with but let me tell you something how does your pimped out logi fleets compare to frigate gangs that take what looks like to be a fair fight in the end turns out to be major over kill... who does 7 bc's compare to your 20 man waiting in other systems for us to take the fight and then land the entire fleet on top of us.....
Im not having a go at your as thats your game but for the love of god How much over kill do you have to dish out until it becomes so boring you would rather chew your arm off.. |
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Valei Khurelem
148
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Posted - 2012.01.14 12:57:00 -
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Halcyon Ingenium wrote:xxanjoahir wrote:Discuss....
Small pvp corp wanting good fights is constantly being blobbed....
seems to be the norm these days .... Nothing moves the Blaaaaawb!
You know now you've said that I keep being reminded of the Orkz and their Waaagh! Anyone else think that blob fleets are exactly like that? ;D
It's a shame that these trolls with all their knowledge and wisdom don't right up some sort of awesome guide to getting past warp bubbles and blob fleets, because then I could stop bitching on the forums about it trying to get answers out of them.
.... No really, what you thought I was being sarcastic? :( |
1-Up Mushroom
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
1865
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Posted - 2012.01.14 13:03:00 -
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Current EVE PvP - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0t71cexWzvM
5 Senses In A Person... 4 Seasons In A Year... 3 Colors In A Stoplight... 2 Poles On The Earth... ONLY 1-UP MUSHROOM!!!-á If You Like My Sig, Like Me!-áRemember EVE is EVErything! |
Halcyon Ingenium
Infomorph Research and Technology
127
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Posted - 2012.01.14 13:05:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:
It's a shame that these trolls with all their knowledge and wisdom don't right up some sort of awesome guide to getting past warp bubbles and blob fleets
Once upon a time there was a smuggler's guide. I'll quote the relevant passage below:
Quote:Covert Ops / Interceptor
That is pretty self explanatory. What they can't catch they can't kill
That which always was, and is, and will be everlasting fire,
the same for all, the cosmos, made neither by god nor man,
replenishes in measure as it burns away. -Heraclitus |
Sheik Nanook
Villanova Junction
4
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Posted - 2012.01.14 13:07:00 -
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Unfortunately, perma-death would be the only solution agasint blobs and many other problems that the game has.
It is also unfortunate that HTFU is just a song (or a forum MEME, at most), and not CCP's philosophy of gutsy game mechanics. |
Cyzlaki
Interstellar eXodus
BricK sQuAD.
196
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Posted - 2012.01.14 13:07:00 -
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small gangs are back, its all about the ~good fights~ |
Valei Khurelem
148
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Posted - 2012.01.14 13:08:00 -
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Quote:Once upon a time there was a smuggler's guide. I'll quote the relevant passage below:
That's it? So you're solution to avoid getting ganked by blobs is to lose an even more expensive ship? |
xxanjoahir
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2012.01.14 13:10:00 -
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That is exactly what it is like in eve.... so funny that video.... reminds me so much of the alliances we keep trying to have a gf against and keep getting WTF pwned due to ****** tactics.... We want the fights and end up being beaten due to serious overkill... |
Halcyon Ingenium
Infomorph Research and Technology
127
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Posted - 2012.01.14 13:10:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:Quote:Once upon a time there was a smuggler's guide. I'll quote the relevant passage below: That's it? So you're solution to avoid getting ganked by blobs is to lose an even more expensive ship?
I could explain it in detail for you, but that comes at a price.
That which always was, and is, and will be everlasting fire,
the same for all, the cosmos, made neither by god nor man,
replenishes in measure as it burns away. -Heraclitus |
xxanjoahir
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2012.01.14 13:11:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:Quote:Once upon a time there was a smuggler's guide. I'll quote the relevant passage below: That's it? So you're solution to avoid getting ganked by blobs is to lose an even more expensive ship?
PFFFT thats the mentality right there..... trying choosing targets for the fleet doctrine you have set up and end up being hot dropped...
the circle never ends. |
Lady Spank
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
976
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Posted - 2012.01.14 13:13:00 -
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Hedion University is pretty big.
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xxanjoahir
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2012.01.14 13:17:00 -
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Lady Spank wrote:Hedion University is pretty big.
LOl Hydra.........
Your just as bad as the rest. |
Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa
Stark Enterprises
1090
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Posted - 2012.01.14 13:20:00 -
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Eve PvP is about kill mails while avoiding loss mails, followed very quickly by local trolling and forum based bragging.
Nothing gets more kill mails and avoids loss mails than blobs.
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Ursula LeGuinn
49
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Posted - 2012.01.14 13:32:00 -
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I'm not sure why anyone expects fair fights in this game, unless they've been prearranged in tournament format. EVE has always been about getting the drop on (or outmaneuvering) unsuspecting targets and overwhelming enemies with superior numbers or firepower. Survival often depends on avoiding the notice of and/or escaping from superior forces.
When people have something to lose, they don't fight to fight. They fight to win. 100% kills and 0% losses is and should be the goal of most fleets.
In my years of valiant forum warrioring, I have yet to see any viable suggestion for "making" small gang engagements happen more often. I'm not saying they don't happen, mind you, but as for encouraging more of them, I don't think anyone has any good ideas. I've been away for awhile, though, so I might have missed something.
Two Ursulas in two identically fit blue Ibises versus one Ursula in an identically fit red Ibis equals two Ursulas in two identically fit blue Ibises. Probably. Actually, I suddenly want to go try this with three new characters while triple-boxing.
"The EVE forums are intended to provide a warm, friendly atmosphere for the EVE community."-áGÇö-áEVElopedia |
Jack Dant
The Gentlemen of Low Moral Fibre
357
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Posted - 2012.01.14 13:47:00 -
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No gang in eve will refuse to fight a smaller gang because "we have too much". PVP is hard enough to find, even if it's a boring gank. Plus, you never know when the smaller gang will be bait.
The blobbers are the ones who refuse to engage unless they have overwhelming numbers. The people who will run away from a similar size gang because they are too afraid to lose a ship. The defense gang that keeps forming up until they have one logi for every ship in the enemy gang. The gatecamp that disperses when someone shoots back because "if it engages us it must be bait".
What happens in lowsec, stays in lowsec, lowering the barrier to entry to lowsec PVP:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=476644&#post476644 |
Xiode
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.01.14 13:48:00 -
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Dradius Calvantia wrote:I get small gang good fights all the time....
You are doing it wrong.
This. |
Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
261
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Posted - 2012.01.14 14:43:00 -
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I found this recent article on the subject. In short, small gang pvp lives and thrives.
Incindentally, this is also my experience from living in null for the last 3 years. |
Garmon
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
33
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Posted - 2012.01.14 14:47:00 -
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Find a way to fight the blob like the rest of us and stop complaining, encountering larger gangs is an opportunity not the opposite |
Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris
Etherium Cartel
419
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Posted - 2012.01.14 14:58:00 -
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Come to w-space.
Always ... Never ... Forget to check your references.-áPeace out Zulu! Hope you land well! |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness
The Midget Mafia
830
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Posted - 2012.01.14 15:10:00 -
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xxanjoahir wrote:Discuss....
Small pvp corp wanting good fights is constantly being blobbed....
seems to be the norm these days ....
define blob
largest gangs we normally run into cap out at around 30-40
we call that a good fight
The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
504
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Posted - 2012.01.14 15:15:00 -
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xxanjoahir wrote:Discuss....
Small pvp corp wanting good fights is constantly being blobbed....
seems to be the norm these days ....
One would say... "chose your fights more wisely"
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
2598
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Posted - 2012.01.14 15:42:00 -
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xxanjoahir wrote:Discuss....
Small pvp corp wanting good fights is constantly being blobbed....
seems to be the norm these days ....
Everyone says they want small fights.
Yet nobody can find one.
Discuss
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Syphon Lodian
Fabled Enterprises
32
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Posted - 2012.01.14 15:58:00 -
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Null-blobs are the most insecure carebears in all the EVEverse.
Why u no fly into our blob, u scare, u cant pray game? |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
2599
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Posted - 2012.01.14 16:30:00 -
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I've noticed that people who whine about "blobs" are rarely above killing a lone guy they caught on the gate with their 7 man gang, but they're quick to complain about being killed by his 50 friends.
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Killstealing
Broski Enterprises
Elite Space Guild
344
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Posted - 2012.01.14 17:02:00 -
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"omg y do u use logi agenst our frig fleets"
**** off tia |
Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris
Etherium Cartel
420
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Posted - 2012.01.14 19:14:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:I've noticed that people who whine about "blobs" are rarely above killing a lone guy they caught on the gate with their 7 man gang, but they're quick to complain about being killed by his 50 friends.
That should be Malcanis' 2nd law
Always ... Never ... Forget to check your references.-áPeace out Zulu! Hope you land well! |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
1278
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Posted - 2012.01.14 19:20:00 -
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define blob
and
congratulation to Lady Spank ...
You used to be on your own if i remember... Hydra is good... well considering last year AT.
As i understand it blob is an question of sovereignty warfare. Altho i saw some irrational hot drops on few ships. |
Miyamato
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2012.01.14 19:23:00 -
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xxanjoahir wrote:That is exactly what it is like in eve.... so funny that video.... reminds me so much of the alliances we keep trying to have a gf against and keep getting WTF pwned due to ****** tactics.... We want the fights and end up being beaten due to serious overkill...
This does not make any sense. You are a small alliance looking for a fight and you whine about the fight being too much for your small gang?
That is like the taliban crying about the size of the American military that came crashing down on them .... oh wait ...
Look, thats just ummm .. reality. I am new to the game but have played plenty of others. If you plan to fight, you better bring as many people as possible because it is likely the other people looking for a fight are going to be more organized then you are, thus bringing more people.
Strength in numbers. That has been a motto of war from its outset. Your talking about war here, not friendly neighborhood competition.
I'd say, do what I always do. Build a strong squad of 30, train in .. i guess low-sec is what this game would be, in different scenarios with different types of squads and you will be more honed to handle whatever the other guys throw at you. Oh, and I'm guessing this Blob thing is aka Ganked, meaning you have 30 vs 5 or something. In this game, I think it would be smart to have someone in your squad sitting back and constantly keeping an eye on the sector. I mean, if he suddenly scans 40 new ships you can probably guarantee those ships are going to be interested in you. |
Miyamato
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2012.01.14 19:38:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:xxanjoahir wrote:Discuss....
Small pvp corp wanting good fights is constantly being blobbed....
seems to be the norm these days .... Everyone says they want small fights. Yet nobody can find one. Discuss
My guess is they did find them, and lost.
So then they come back and whine about inbalances of the combat system. Then they get a bigger squad together, kill smaller squads to " punish " those that did it to them, and then get ganked by a squad 4x their size when they become noticed. And again, they come back and whine.
Or just plain lie that " me find no fight! " ....
As you saw, this guy was complaining as well about being killed by bigger squads. So meh ... it is this way in every single game where PvP is even somewhat possible. |
Fearless M0F0
Incursion PWNAGE Asc
9
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Posted - 2012.01.14 20:35:00 -
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xxanjoahir wrote:Discuss....
Small pvp corp wanting good fights is constantly being blobbed....
seems to be the norm these days ....
In WWII, the ratio of allied v/s German soldiers got up to 8.6 to 1 in 1944.
The ratio of allied v/s German aircraft on D-day was 7.4 to 1.
Source
I guess they blob because it works ...  |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
1278
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Posted - 2012.01.14 20:38:00 -
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Fearless M0F0 wrote:xxanjoahir wrote:Discuss....
Small pvp corp wanting good fights is constantly being blobbed....
seems to be the norm these days .... In WWII, the ratio of allied v/s German soldiers got up to 8.6 to 1 in 1944. The ratio of allied v/s German aircraft on D-day was 7.4 to 1. SourceI guess they blob because it works ...
or maybe because ally vehicles .. be it land or air ones was terrible and easy to produce and inferior to any german one..
include T34s
And just to put it in there.. since you used WW II .. kills by 3rd Empire vehicels vs ally was something about 150 : 1
and every ally who can count their finger on their right hand could use them. |
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ElQuirko
The Demonfuge Malevolent Fan Club
311
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Posted - 2012.01.14 20:57:00 -
[41] - Quote
Small corp wants good fights with no blobs? Go to wormhole space. Or WoW. |
Rose Valley
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.01.14 22:12:00 -
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I always thought this game was about exotic dancers |
Mars Theran
EVE Rogues
EVE Rogues Alliance
57
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Posted - 2012.01.14 22:42:00 -
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Yes. |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness
The Midget Mafia
839
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Posted - 2012.01.14 22:52:00 -
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Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:Fearless M0F0 wrote:xxanjoahir wrote:Discuss....
Small pvp corp wanting good fights is constantly being blobbed....
seems to be the norm these days .... In WWII, the ratio of allied v/s German soldiers got up to 8.6 to 1 in 1944. The ratio of allied v/s German aircraft on D-day was 7.4 to 1. SourceI guess they blob because it works ... or maybe because ally vehicles .. be it land or air ones was terrible and easy to produce and inferior to any german one.. include T34s And just to put it in there.. since you used WW II .. kills by 3rd Empire vehicels vs ally was something about 150 : 1 and every ally who can count their finger on their right hand could use them.
Terrible?
not by a longshot, German tanks had thin mantles, were easy to track, had terrible weaknesses on the turret, and Italian tanks? they called them rolling coffins for a reason.
later in the war everything outperformed german aircraft, BF109s were the best it ever got for the lufties, once the mustangs and p38s came in it was all over, hell even the spitfires held their own in the face of overwhelming odds
you might want to get rid of those old soviet history books from the 50s, they have a couple of inaccuracies
The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Ioci
Space Mermaids
58
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Posted - 2012.01.15 03:25:00 -
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Insanity, doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result.
Move your corp to test server, split up in to 2 groups and smash each other in to the ground. Let the blob junkies play with them selves. |
Theodoric Darkwind
PonyWaffe
Test Alliance Please Ignore
106
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Posted - 2012.01.15 04:10:00 -
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xxanjoahir wrote:Dradius Calvantia wrote:I get small gang good fights all the time....
You are doing it wrong. I know thats a lie as we fight against you guys and your small gang is is always 10 more than what we bring.
my fleet + 1 = QQ Y U Blob
amidoinitrite
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Ruiner Drudge
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
5
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Posted - 2012.01.15 08:31:00 -
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Small gang complains about blob.
Solo pilot complains about small gang.
I don't understand how small gangs can complain about being killed by blobs, when they essentially sit on gates and blob solo pilots.
Morganta wrote:later in the war everything outperformed german aircraft, BF109s were the best it ever got for the lufties, once the mustangs and p38s came in it was all over, hell even the spitfires held their own in the face of overwhelming odds
Me262? |
Valei Khurelem
159
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Posted - 2012.01.15 08:51:00 -
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ElQuirko wrote:Small corp wants good fights with no blobs? Go to wormhole space. Or WoW.
No, YOU go to WoW, ******* blob fleet noob. |
Marlona Sky
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
364
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Posted - 2012.01.15 09:43:00 -
[49] - Quote
Yes.
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Midori Tsu
Evolution
101
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Posted - 2012.01.15 10:23:00 -
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Excuse me, but what defines a blob? Is someone bringing slightly more ship than you? Is there a certain percentage between the fleet sizes? Or is there a set number of ships? i would very much like to know exactly how big a fleet has to be to be considered a blob. |
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Pinaculus
Insanely Twisted
131
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Posted - 2012.01.15 10:51:00 -
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Midori Tsu wrote:Excuse me, but what defines a blob? Is someone bringing slightly more ship than you? Is there a certain percentage between the fleet sizes? Or is there a set number of ships? i would very much like to know exactly how big a fleet has to be to be considered a blob.
A blob is any fight that outnumbers you by 1 or more in which you lose.
I know sometimes it's difficult to realize just how much you spend on incidental things each month or year, but seriously, EVE is very cheap entertainment compared to most things... If you are a smoker, smoke one less pack a week and pay for EVE, with money left over to pick up a cheap bundle of flowers for the EVE widow upstairs. |
Pinaculus
Insanely Twisted
131
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Posted - 2012.01.15 10:59:00 -
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ElQuirko wrote:Small corp wants good fights with no blobs? Go to wormhole space. Or WoW.
And please don't back to WoW. It's an awful game.
Wormhole space is, however, packed full of carebears in multi-billion ISK cruisers in tiny corps that generally don't know how to PVP well.
Just saying, if you gank one then you get an A-Type module drop. If they blueball you then you run their sites for them and make enough ISK to go buy a B-Type module for your trouble. And you can do all that while making people with no friends cry.
That's what I hear, anyway.
Or you run into another corp in their doing the same thing, and then.....GOOD FIGHT FOR EVERYBODY! \o/
I know sometimes it's difficult to realize just how much you spend on incidental things each month or year, but seriously, EVE is very cheap entertainment compared to most things... If you are a smoker, smoke one less pack a week and pay for EVE, with money left over to pick up a cheap bundle of flowers for the EVE widow upstairs. |
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War
DarkSide.
95
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Posted - 2012.01.15 15:40:00 -
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Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:Fearless M0F0 wrote:xxanjoahir wrote:Discuss....
Small pvp corp wanting good fights is constantly being blobbed....
seems to be the norm these days .... In WWII, the ratio of allied v/s German soldiers got up to 8.6 to 1 in 1944. The ratio of allied v/s German aircraft on D-day was 7.4 to 1. SourceI guess they blob because it works ... or maybe because ally vehicles .. be it land or air ones was terrible and easy to produce and inferior to any german one.. include T34s And just to put it in there.. since you used WW II .. kills by 3rd Empire vehicels vs ally was something about 150 : 1 and every ally who can count their finger on their right hand could use them.
It was the spirit which allowed Germans to win their battles and fight till the end, when everyone else (except may be just us, Russians) would have already resigned.
I mean, I can't help smilling thinking of those 2 mere Panthers of 1st SS division (Leibstandarte Adolf ******) ewaporating a crapload of Shermans supported by infantry.
2008, CCP Zulu(park): "command ships are fine as is"
2011, CCP Greyscale: "is the Nighthawk actually underpowered?"
Nice progress, guys. |
Pinaculus
Insanely Twisted
132
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Posted - 2012.01.15 15:50:00 -
[54] - Quote
Yeah, that and amphetamine.
I know sometimes it's difficult to realize just how much you spend on incidental things each month or year, but seriously, EVE is very cheap entertainment compared to most things... If you are a smoker, smoke one less pack a week and pay for EVE, with money left over to pick up a cheap bundle of flowers for the EVE widow upstairs. |
Zimmy Zeta
Battle Force Industries
Tactical Invader Syndicate
669
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Posted - 2012.01.15 16:23:00 -
[55] - Quote
Fon Revedhort wrote:
or maybe because ally vehicles .. be it land or air ones was terrible and easy to produce and inferior to any german one..
include T34s
And just to put it in there.. since you used WW II .. kills by 3rd Empire vehicels vs ally was something about 150 : 1
and every ally who can count their finger on their right hand could use them.
It was the spirit which allowed Germans to win their battles and fight till the end, when everyone else (except may be just us, Russians) would have already resigned.
I mean, I can't help smilling thinking of those 2 mere Panthers of 1st SS division (Leibstandarte Adolf ******) ewaporating a crapload of Shermans supported by infantry.
Small lesson in history: Unlike the Wehrmacht, the regular german army, the Waffen-SS was not a military oragnization but a 100% political institution. Their leaders did for the most part have no military training; career and position within their ranks was determined by political success within the leading political party. Being a political tool, they always were provided the best and most recent weaponry, also the propaganda always focused on the Waffen-SS to build them up as national heroes- and to **** off their worst rivals, the "regular" Wehrmacht officers.
Having no military knowledge worth mentioning, the Waffen SS only had one tactic: "Forward, no matter the odds". For the most part they did not operate to capture strategical points at minimal losses, they just rushed head on into any "blob" of enemies to supply juicy killmails to the propaganda machinery.
The propaganda seems to have worked outstandingly, as I see that Russians are still speaking with respect and admiration about them. But for the military success of Germany in WW II the Waffen-SS was merely a footnote- a small gang of wannabe elitists looking for goodfights that got smashed by the allied blobs.
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Fon Revedhort
Monks of War
DarkSide.
95
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Posted - 2012.01.15 16:41:00 -
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Propadanda is something when you lose horribly due to being caught with your pants down or simply being bad at combat in the first place and then call it a massacre or war-crime.
As for the Wehrmacht and Waffen-SS, the differences were getting smaller and smaller throughout the war and those 2 entities were never really any 'rivals', much less 'worst' ones.
You seem to be confusing Allgemeine and Waffen-SS, btw.
2008, CCP Zulu(park): "command ships are fine as is"
2011, CCP Greyscale: "is the Nighthawk actually underpowered?"
Nice progress, guys. |
MadMuppet
Kerguelen Station
83
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Posted - 2012.01.15 16:47:00 -
[57] - Quote
To paraphrase a line from Tremors:
"Exactly how many ships do you need to have a blob? Is three enough? Is there a minimum blob?"
Yes, I only have a Vigil, I've had a bad bit of luck Ok? |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force
Fatal Ascension
206
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Posted - 2012.01.15 16:47:00 -
[58] - Quote
This is the most bizarre application of Goodwin's Law I've seen in a long time. 
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/39006524/DumbHiseccers.jpg |
Jenshae Chiroptera
426
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Posted - 2012.01.15 16:52:00 -
[59] - Quote
Game does not have to be the Zerg. Go give the lock time thread a bump.
It talks about how the more enemies that lock onto one ship, the longer it takes other enemies to lock onto it.
Ideas & stuff
EVE - the game of sand castles, either building them or kicking them down. -á
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Morganta
Peripheral Madness
The Midget Mafia
861
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Posted - 2012.01.15 16:54:00 -
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Ruiner Drudge wrote:Small gang complains about blob. Solo pilot complains about small gang. I don't understand how small gangs can complain about being killed by blobs, when they essentially sit on gates and blob solo pilots. Morganta wrote:later in the war everything outperformed german aircraft, BF109s were the best it ever got for the lufties, once the mustangs and p38s came in it was all over, hell even the spitfires held their own in the face of overwhelming odds Me262?
too little too late
generally too fast for dogfighting, extremely short flight time, unstable engines with a horrid mix nasty chemicals for fuel
ignore the movies, there wasn't enough 262s to have an impact that late in the war, it was an innovation, it was the first operational combat jet. Of course it was better then anything else in the air, at least at killing bombers. but with a couple of operational Staffel it made no impact
The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
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Zimmy Zeta
Battle Force Industries
Tactical Invader Syndicate
669
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Posted - 2012.01.15 17:11:00 -
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Fon Revedhort wrote:
You seem to be confusing Allgemeine and Waffen-SS, btw.
No I am not. For decades we were told that the SS consisted of ruthless babykilling monsters, while the Waffen-SS was full of noble warriors that were paragons of valor. This is wrong, since both were different branches of the same organization.
Fun fact of the day: the vow of fidelity of the SS and Waffen-SS was not a vow to Germany and the german people. It was solely a vow of loyality to the NSDAP and to Adolf H. himself.
I find it somewhat amusing: me, a german, discussing with a russian some of the darkest chapters of our mutual war- while both our countries had engaged in heavy propaganda and kept feeding the media with lies and legends for decades.
Maybe the truth is somewhere in the middle.
As for here in Germany, over the recent 10-15 years more and more evidence is published that tells a different story than the noble and innocent Wehrmacht and Waffen SS. Maybe we just had to wait until all surviving members died away until the first historians dared to contradict the common conceptions.
Ok, but back to topic:
NERF FALCONS
NERF BLOBS
NERF EVERYTHING
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Fon Revedhort
Monks of War
DarkSide.
95
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Posted - 2012.01.15 17:47:00 -
[62] - Quote
Zimmy Zeta wrote:
I find it somewhat amusing: me, a german, discussing with a russian some of the darkest chapters of our mutual war- while both our countries had engaged in heavy propaganda and kept feeding the media with lies and legends for decades.
Maybe the truth is somewhere in the middle.
That's the punishment our nations got for overthrowing our crowned heads and turning national states into fugly multikulti communes in 1917-1918, where neither Germans nor Russians owned anything.
As for the recent 'revelations' being published in Germany (or elsewhere), I for one wouldn't treat them as valid. We both know in so-called democracy you can publish (or even say) only something which is 'appropriate'. Denying is a no-no deed!
Can't help quoting one of your best bands:
Meinungsfreiheit, Demokratie,
sch+¦ne Worte getaucht in einem Bad von Ironie.
(c) Sleipnir
2008, CCP Zulu(park): "command ships are fine as is"
2011, CCP Greyscale: "is the Nighthawk actually underpowered?"
Nice progress, guys. |
Midori Tsu
Evolution
101
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Posted - 2012.01.15 20:10:00 -
[63] - Quote
Fon Revedhort wrote:
As for the recent 'revelations' being published in Germany (or elsewhere), I for one wouldn't treat them as valid. We both know in so-called democracy you can publish (or even say) only something which is 'appropriate'. Denying is a no-no deed!
Not true, at least in the free states of USA you can say whatever you want, you might catch flak for it, but no ones going to stop you. |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
216
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Posted - 2012.01.15 20:48:00 -
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Yeah it appears CCP wants people to be social form large fleets and blob. It makes for good press when they get the occassion 1000+ fleet fight.
Years ago CCP designed one mechanic that could yield quality small scale pvp: Faction War occupancy plexing.
However they puked a bunch of npcs in those plexes so you have to fly a pve fit to get in. So then of course you need to warp out when a pvp ship comes. So its pretty a pretty stupid/broken mechanic right now.
They are saying they will work on faction war soon. Perhaps they will fix it and eve will finally have a mechanic that brings about frequent, quality, small scale pvp. We shall see.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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xxanjoahir
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2012.01.16 16:54:00 -
[65] - Quote
Cearain wrote:Yeah it appears CCP wants people to be social form large fleets and blob. It makes for good press when they get the occassion 1000+ fleet fight.
Years ago CCP designed one mechanic that could yield quality small scale pvp: Faction War occupancy plexing.
However they puked a bunch of npcs in those plexes so you have to fly a pve fit to get in. So then of course you need to warp out when a pvp ship comes. So it's a pretty stupid/broken mechanic right now.
They are saying they will work on faction war soon. Perhaps they will fix it and eve will finally have a mechanic that brings about frequent, quality, small scale pvp. We shall see.
Hot drop - too easy.
10 people trying to have fun versus 30+ - too lame.
Most of eve these days requires NUMBERS - BROKEN MECHANIC for those who have no interest other than to sign in and pvp.
"get more in your fleet" - lame response from someone who doesn't understand the difficulty of creating a well oiled fleet.
Go play wow - no, no sense of loosing something
Seems to be some lame arguements of "can i has your stuff" and "go play wow" when really if you dumbasses had any sort of intelligence you might be saying "you know what the game is seriously missing the 10 man hit and run gang GF's" |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness
The Midget Mafia
868
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Posted - 2012.01.16 17:10:00 -
[66] - Quote
Zimmy Zeta wrote:Fon Revedhort wrote:
You seem to be confusing Allgemeine and Waffen-SS, btw.
No I am not. For decades we were told that the SS consisted of ruthless babykilling monsters, while the Waffen-SS was full of noble warriors that were paragons of valor. This is wrong, since both were different branches of the same organization. Fun fact of the day: the vow of fidelity of the SS and Waffen-SS was not a vow to Germany and the german people. It was solely a vow of loyality to the NSDAP and to Adolf H. himself. I find it somewhat amusing: me, a german, discussing with a russian some of the darkest chapters of our mutual war- while both our countries had engaged in heavy propaganda and kept feeding the media with lies and legends for decades. Maybe the truth is somewhere in the middle. As for here in Germany, over the recent 10-15 years more and more evidence is published that tells a different story than the "noble" and "innocent" Wehrmacht and Waffen SS. Maybe we just had to wait until all surviving members died away until the first historians dared to contradict the common conceptions. Ok, but back to topic: NERF FALCONS NERF BLOBS NERF EVERYTHING
where were you know-it-alls back in 1936 when you were needed?
The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Karl Planck
Heretic University
Heretic Nation
108
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Posted - 2012.01.16 18:05:00 -
[67] - Quote
xxanjoahir wrote:
Most of eve these days requires NUMBERS - BROKEN MECHANIC for those who have no interest other than to sign in and pvp.
"get more in your fleet" - lame response from someone who doesn't understand the difficulty of creating a well oiled fleet.
Even though it will go on deaf ears...
This game doesn't require a blob but it sure makes it easier. You don't have to be good at this game to kick ass, just have to group together and follow the work of 1 or 2 people. However, as many come to find out this can be boring and unsatisfying.
Then you switch to working solo or in small gangs and you suddenly find out how good you actually are at this game. Most people are not that good and for some reason nearly all of them think its the game's fault and something with the mechanics, not their ability as a player.
Eve is one of the few games that you can suck at for a long time and think your a bada$$. Most of these responses are because people who suck usually don't want to hear it and usually don't want to improve, they just want to start winning.
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arcca jeth
Dark Alliance
Dark Empire Alliance
58
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Posted - 2012.01.16 18:12:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:Quote:Once upon a time there was a smuggler's guide. I'll quote the relevant passage below: That's it? So you're solution to avoid getting ganked by blobs is to lose an even more expensive ship?
The solution is BETTER RECON and Fight or FLIGHT judgement.
PRO RECON = PRICELESS
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Kessiaan
Greater Order Of Destruction
Happy Endings
32
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Posted - 2012.01.16 18:20:00 -
[69] - Quote
Any fleet smaller than yours - GF
Any fleet bigger than yours - ZOMGBLOBLAME!!!111one
You can get good fights in any fleet size, provided you have decent players and a good FC. The importance of a good FC cannot be understated - EvE is mostly free from the "one crap player brings the whole team down" problem that infests themepark MMOs, but the FC is most definitely the exception. A good FC who knows his fleet inside out, provides clear, concise, timely, and unambiguous direction to his fleet, and has access to good intel is far and away the most effective method I've seen to fight the blob and win on a regular basis.
My killboard - http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Kessiaan |
Lyron-Baktos
Selective Pressure
Rote Kapelle
27
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Posted - 2012.01.16 18:24:00 -
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Sounds like someone that failed to scout correctly and got tricked by a bait fleet
On holiday. -áIn some other world.
Where the music of the radio was a labyrinth of sonorous colours.
To a bright centre of absolute convicton. -áWhere the dripping patchouli was more than scent. -á
It was a sun |
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Skydell
Space Mermaids
103
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Posted - 2012.01.16 18:40:00 -
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Karl Planck wrote:xxanjoahir wrote:
Most of eve these days requires NUMBERS - BROKEN MECHANIC for those who have no interest other than to sign in and pvp.
"get more in your fleet" - lame response from someone who doesn't understand the difficulty of creating a well oiled fleet.
Even though it will go on deaf ears... This game doesn't require a blob but it sure makes it easier. You don't have to be good at this game to kick ass, just have to group together and follow the work of 1 or 2 people. However, as many come to find out this can be boring and unsatisfying. Then you switch to working solo or in small gangs and you suddenly find out how good you actually are at this game. Most people are not that good and for some reason nearly all of them think its the game's fault and something with the mechanics, not their ability as a player. Eve is one of the few games that you can suck at for a long time and think your a bada$$. Most of these responses are because people who suck usually don't want to hear it and usually don't want to improve, they just want to start winning.
LOL
News in from Scope HQ. We all suck at EVE.
We suck at EVE because every ship in EVE is a niche and the only way to fly in EVE "well" is to bring the niche that backs the niche that backs the niche. Have a support squad for the support squad for the support squad. Equals Blob.
You can't make a proper fleet in EVE with support for the holes of each niche without running in to fleets of 500.
Exception? Winmatar. They have speed to break optimal, get clear of Ewar and dictate the fight. They have a true through tank so no other weapon is optimal to kill them, they don't rely on slow secondary dps from drones, they are called Winmatar for a reason. It was the last race to come to power because it took the longest to train but 8 years later it's FoTG because the only way to break it's optimal skill build is to gut it like a fish.
You want to fly small gang? Fly Winmatar. The blobs won't catch you. Ours never could. Am I hating on Minmatar ships? No, not in the least. If it works, do it. You saw it in the Alliance tournie, controlled small gang warfare. Winmatar won. Don't fight the machine. |
Skex Relbore
The Dominion of Light
BLACK-MARK
62
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Posted - 2012.01.16 18:57:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:I've noticed that people who whine about "blobs" are rarely above killing a lone guy they caught on the gate with their 7 man gang, but they're quick to complain about being killed by his 50 friends.
Ain't that the truth,.
My experience supports your assertion, from my time in RVB, the guys who whined the most about being blobbed tended to be the very same ones who were camping enemy HQ in frigate popping snipers or refused to do arranged (aka even numbered) battles because they were "boring", telling me that they weren't so much against ganking as they were against being ganked.
Myself I figure it's part of the game. PVP in EVE is less about skill at operating ones ship and more about crafting the field of conflict in a favorable manner. You want to convince the other guy that he is at an advantage while it is actually you who has said advantage. Of course the enemy is doing the same thing which is why the outcome of any given fight is always an open question.
Hell a large part of why I gave up FCing in RVB was I got tired of all the crybabies who would whine any time I miscalculated what was a reasonable response to their gang, either as a result of poor intel, missing the guy who shipped up to a BC when I called for cruisers or when dealing with an opposing FC who couldn't seem to wrap his head around the fact that I had to count that out of fleet corpie of his as a part of the force I was fighting.
People need to consider, if getting relatively even fights in something purposely designed to do so like RVB is difficult, how much more so will it be in an environment of cyno toting hot drop bait ships where any random Kestrel could have a super cap blob backing him up. |
Gabriel Karade
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
12
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Posted - 2012.01.16 19:34:00 -
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Pinaculus wrote:Midori Tsu wrote:Excuse me, but what defines a blob? Is someone bringing slightly more ship than you? Is there a certain percentage between the fleet sizes? Or is there a set number of ships? i would very much like to know exactly how big a fleet has to be to be considered a blob. A blob is any fight that outnumbers you by 1 or more in which you lose. This is probably the best definition I've seen 
As for what to do about it? - I think MC put it best, oh about 7 years ago during their first contract...
"Embrace teh blob"
Gallente MkII: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1227770
War Machine: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=386293 |
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