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Rells Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.08.13 22:07:00 - [1] Edited by: Rells on 13/08/2007 22:09:29 13-AUG: Sisters of Eve Academy : x-7omu : Pure Blind For Immediate Release For 18 months, Agony Unleashed (sole member of Agony Empire) has been teaching pod pilots the ways of combat. In that time we have graduated more than 2500 pod pilots, brand new and three years old, from our PVP-BASIC course alone. Our PVP-WOLFPACKS course (a second level course) has graduated over 1000 pilots from the course. AGONY instructors take out gangs of pilots (who remain in their corps) and instruct them in basic combat and then take them out into one of the most violent areas in Eve and put hot fire to the metal of their training. In these 18 months, there have been thousands of kills, only the most recent of them recorded on the class killboard). AGONY doesn't guarantee life, it guarantees combat; effective, disciplined combat that will leave you screaming for more and unable to sleep despite 13 hours in a gang AGONY has long held the belief that combat in the Eve universe is not a matter of might but of brains. We use all kinds of ships to affect the kills and the visitors to our classes will be amazed at what can be done with a handful of well trained tech 1 frigates. It is audacity, brains, organization and discipline that defeats the blobs of Eve. Tactics are the king of combat and ingenuity is the secret weapon. Now PvP University (an interest financed and run by AGONY) is now entering a new phase of development. Whereas we would previously only run classes teaching the basics, now will be starting to run seminars in specific tactics that AGONY uses against its opponents in combat. These seminars will be much shorter than the long foundation fundamentals classes such as PVP-BASIC. The smaller seminar format will be much more accessible to those wishing to learn new skills without spending all day. The current seminar being offered is PVP-FLYBYS. This seminar will teach the student how to use a destroyer and the right fittings to demoralize and demolish a multi-billion isk fleet camping a gate. It is a powerful psychological tactic that is extremely effective. Upcoming seminars will include subjects such as "Fishing" (the process of baiting and killing interceptors with tech 1 frigates). Other seminars will include subjects such as high speed scanner usage, roaming, skirmishing, recon use, gang command and much more. Dont sit in that station afraid to undock. Drop by AGONY's Web Site and experience what you have been missing from combat. Get in on the thrill, the tactics, the crucible. Experience The Agony Phenomeon. Four years is long enough to leave the corp interface broken!
Rells Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.08.14 01:00:00 - [2] Originally by: Larg Kellein As a student from the first Fly-by seminar, I can fully recommend this as well as the other Agony courses. Keep up the good work, guys, I look forward to flying with you again. Thanks for the reccomendation. :) Four years is long enough to leave the corp interface broken!
Rells Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.08.14 07:11:00 - [3] thanks a lot for the endorsements guys. Four years is long enough to leave the corp interface broken!
Rells Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.08.14 16:46:00 - [4] Originally by: Frug Quote: use a destroyer and the right fittings to demoralize and demolish a multi-billion isk fleet camping a gate. I know I'd feel like dirt. Trust me, you would laugh. Four years is long enough to leave the corp interface broken!
Rells Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.08.15 18:15:00 - [5] LOL ... good point on Juta. Four years is long enough to leave the corp interface broken!
Rells Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.08.16 06:20:00 - [6] Edited by: Rells on 16/08/2007 06:20:03 Originally by: SXyWhile Perhaps in the near future, Agony will actually fight when the odds are even, instead of running. Best of luck. You will always get people smack talking you because you didn't warp into suicide at their hands. You will always get people that smacktalk because your 5 cruiser force didn't attack their 3 BS force asserting that you don't attack when 'the odds are even.' Its idocy and smacktalk: Hence Agony Corporate Rule 3.5: Quote: No idiocy. Berating another player for not taking a cruiser into a fight against 25 AGONY frigs is just stupid. If you wouldn't have done the action yourself, don't berate another for not doing it. AGONY attacks when the fleet commanders of AGONY feel like it. Not when you want them to suicide into you. I don't let AGONY people spout this bulldroppings because, as an AGONY pilot said, you don't know their situation. They could have 30 in local with half of them AFK, they could be having connection problems, they could have a neophyte FC or be fitted for ratting. Four years is long enough to leave the corp interface broken!
Rells Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.08.16 15:48:00 - [7] Originally by: Atiro Kali Honestly me and a couple of people went through the school months ago. Even the vets back then learned a thing or two and we all had a blast. guys this is a fun service they provide for all players in the game regardless who you are. There is no need for this silly banter. Keep it in game. I learned a lot from Rells and since then i have been killed by and have killed many of them. Never anything personal just good old fashioned pew pew! I would recommend it to anyone honestly even if u don't learn a thing you will have fun in their fleets.. Ahh a straight up guy who likes a fight sans-smacktalk. Love it. Keep delivering the ammo to agony at high velocity and we will continue doing the same for you. Nothing like a good fight to make the game fun. I am glad you enjoyed the course and feel free to come back as alumni when the urge strikes. Four years is long enough to leave the corp interface broken!
Rells Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.08.17 15:09:00 - [8] Hmm. Announce a service and an unrelated flamewar erupts. shrug As for AGONY vs GODS I will say that our ISK ratio against them is not what I would like it to be. Against almost all our other neighbors we are around 75% to 80% but as opposed to GODS the ratio is hovering around 50% which basically means that neither of us is winning or losing the ISK war. The drop in the ratio is like because there are some younger members of AGONY that have never been under much real pressure. Some of our neighbors like the former NXT alliance were not very challenging overall and I think some young AGONY members have gotten soft and spoiled. The new challenge will be good for them as will the internal pressure we put on our pilots. AGONY has no one set to blue other than corps entirely made of AGONY alts. Every time we have set someone to blue, (twice) it has been either a non-issue or a problem. AGONY pilots love to shoot things and not watch people fly by on their overview. We probably wont have any blues ever again while I am in charge of the corp but you never know what the future will hold. AGONY is not like the alliances that care about holding space. We would rather be destroying things than holding space. Being in AGONY is not easy because of the no-blues policy and that will continue. One difference is that we discourage smacktalk and other sillyness. You wont find an AGONY pilot calling you names for not suiciding into us. You wont see us complaining in local about people outmaneuvering us. You wont see us smacktalking in general. You wont hear AGONY members saying something that a GODS member recently said in local, "Tell your dad to stop calling, Im not done with your mom yet." That kind of garbage is just not necessary. By contrast I have seen a transformation in GODS from the days I flew with them in Forsaken Empire to become a smacktalking corp. I find it sad and depressing and extend an open invitation to the GODS members sick of this to come to AGONY. I have to hope that this is just a minor bump in the road for an organization I had a lot of respect for and that the smacktalkers are just a bunch of new-hires but some GODS members (members for 4 months) recently said to me, "GODS is only about smack". I sincerely hope that isn't true. AGONY loves to fight. We don't always win, we don't always lose. Sometimes we get owned and sometimes we own others. What motivates us the give and take, the challenge of combat, that there is someone on the other side trying to outmaneuver you and the fact that the situation is always changing. We are always developing new tactics and always improving old tactics. Some AGONY pilots are old-hands at PVP and others are brand new. AGONY also has a firm belief in PVP training and the desire to expand the pool of PVPers in Eve. We believe that all pilots can PVP effectively with the right training. We seek to provide the best PvP trainign in Eve. AGONY has no enemies, only opponents. We will meet anyone on the field of battle with equal good will. We will also train anyone. Some of our opponents have taken our classes, doubtless to learn our tactics, and had fun doing so. AGONY is a non-political organization. We neither support nor hate any particular organization in the game other than those that vehemently do repulsive smacktalk or evidence uncommonly bad sportsmanship. Four years is long enough to leave the corp interface broken!
Rells Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.08.17 15:43:00 - [9] Originally by: Kyguard Originally by: WhiteSnake LoL or better LMAO I dont have a clue about what you are teaching in your courses, but omg, agony sucks big time in pvp. I watch them daily at X-70, most of the day docked. Its very rare to see them engage, even with greater numbers, you call it brain, I call it yellow. Yes we smack them a lot in local, its a shame watching them living in 0.0, but giving pvp lessons also???? what eve has become these days, its just sad, inst it? GODS is probably the most laughed at entity past Xelas, but xelas is gone now so you take the prize. Keep posting WOAH! Long time no see man. That invitation is still open you know. Four years is long enough to leave the corp interface broken!
Rells Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.08.17 16:09:00 - [10] Originally by: Cythrawl I have a problem that you consider your service you provide to be a good one though. And so does every one of our students as you can see from this thread. As for the rest of your post, you dont need all of that to PvP. There is an alliance mindset that the only PVP that is ligit is in heavy ships. We have often proven that to be completely wrong. you dont need to wait til you have 20m SP to pvp. We have people with 1/20th of that that pvp quite effectively. Our students reccomendations on this thread are all we need. Four years is long enough to leave the corp interface broken!
Rells Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.08.17 16:37:00 - [11] Originally by: Love Ya Originally by: Rells Our students reccomendations on this thread are all we need. And how many may i dare ask is yours or your corp mates alts ? Of the nearly 3000 through BASIC and 1200 through WOLFPACKS over the past 18 months, some 250 or so have joined AGONY. Completion of PVP-BASIC is a requirement to Join AGONY under most circumstances (unless the pilot has high combat experience) and completion of BASIC and WOLFPACKS is required to be promoted from Ensign to Lieutenant which ends the probationary period in AGONY. Four years is long enough to leave the corp interface broken!
Rells Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.08.17 16:40:00 - [12] Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: Rells By contrast I have seen a transformation in GODS from the days I flew with them in Forsaken Empire to become a smacktalking corp. lol? REGRETTABLY it is not a joke. I hear people saying things in local in x-7omu that would have at least earned them a stiff talking-to in the F-E gods. Its rather like finding out an old acquaintance you lost touch with has turned to drugs and crime. Bummed me out seriously because I used to have a lot of respect for you guys. Four years is long enough to leave the corp interface broken!
Rells Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.08.17 17:43:00 - [13] Well, since it has come down to OFFICIALLY SANCTIONED smacktalk, I guess that is that, end of an era and fall of an old and respected corp. I will stop believing they are the respectable fighters I used to know. Good luck to you GODS. I don't see a need to communicate further. As always, AGONY pilots will be directed to not smacktalk. See you around x-7omu. Four years is long enough to leave the corp interface broken!
Rells Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.08.20 15:39:00 - [14] Originally by: Rocinantae Originally by: Sooshie I partially agree with Jack Cannon. Agony is good if you like to be a passive fighter that is afraid of a good equal balanced fight. They will not fight if winning is questionable to my experience.. A territory holding alliance? Well they would die right away. A alliance with people that like to fly t1 destroyers and frigs? Guess thats for those people. Agony is great if your new to PVP and such I just dont see how peoples interests would maintain much beyond that level. Passive you say? The last alliance/corp I was in I did more pos crap than anything and I only saw the tiny corner of the galaxy we were located in. All of you saying we dont engage are only thinking from your own perspective which is what we find funny. Ive been to muliple regions on far flung field trips since joining Agony. I get constant pvp action also. And weve certainly flew into many gangs that we dont have the numbers to take on but we do it anyway. If were not engaging you maybe its because we think that fighting "the same old way", is boring. And maybe we dont want to give smack talking a-holes the satisfaction. We'd rather go roaming around in gangs than fighting over npc stations. Personally I dont see how someone could maintain interest maintaining poses and holding territory and dealing with all the politics. Agony doesnt have or want territory and is purposely red to everyone. And as you can read we have alot of people that want to kill us. To me thats exciting. Well said my friend. Four years is long enough to leave the corp interface broken!

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