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Tatsue Nuko
Tabula Rasa Systems
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.08.17 00:34:00 -
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News reports being far from the truth is no news. I could refer to the completely bonkers reports from the Sisters of EVE's provocations against us, but I'll be careful with that.
That said, I would not be surprised if facts are entirely other than was presented.
Furthermore I must point out the rampant hypocrisy shown by self-styled advocates of freedom that would aid imperialist forces bent on restricting free trade of goods and services. You don't help any cause of freedom by your action, but rather show yourselves once again as nothing but a tool of the imperialist.
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Vorada Kuvakei
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Posted - 2007.08.17 20:11:00 -
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Fellow supporters of Democracy. A grave injustice has been wrought this week. As already noted, a large force of Placid Militia pilots tracked down and disabled a Serpentis carrier. This carrier was the single conduit through which Rise was being brought into Placid. The entire operation was led by local and dedicated capsuleers, risking their personally-funded assets to finally bring down the Serpentis operations in Placid. These facts have already been announced.
What is galling however, is the behaviour of Inspector Xavier of Federation Customs. Single-handed, he has managed to remove any trace of this achievement from record and replaced it with his own.
Manipulating the supposedly free press in a recent news item, the
Inspector has managed scoop the victory for himself and the Federation, leaving our message and efforts unheard.
The public have the right to know the truth of this matter, and the armchair policing of Inspector Xavier should be exposed. Once again, elements of the Federal authorities have shown themselves to be the lazy, glory-seeking fops they always were. Countless lives, clones and ISK were spent unearthing the intelligence that allowed us to jump those carriers, and the Federation, in typical Gallentean fashion, is trying to steal the show.
Shoran and I intend to present the truth to the Federation authorities in Luminaire on the 19th. We will form a peaceful procession at around 20:00 EVT in Stacmon and proceed to Luminaire, with evidence of the work that has been done out in Placid. Please, if you wish to lend your support, assemble with us, flying only unarmed industrials or shuttles and help make our message heard.
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Crausaum
Ixion Defence Systems
The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2007.08.17 20:44:00 -
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Edited by: Crausaum on 17/08/2007 20:44:58
 Originally by: Vorada Kuvakei
Inspector has managed scoop the victory for himself and the Federation, leaving our message and efforts unheard.
Mr. Kuvakei; the Federation cannot steal a victory that was freely given by peoples of the Federation to the people of the Federation.
You would do well to remember that it is not attention that you should seek in service to your fellow citizen but merely acknowledgment.
Inspector Xavier has committed a grave offense against us in his attempt to claim undue glory for his part in the seizure of this carrier and that is something I think none of us shall soon forgive.
I think many will attend your protest but I would advise you to pick your words carefully and make sure that your actions are in the interests of the Federations peoples and not merely for self promotion.
Inspector Xavier has chosen the unwise path of valuing his own ego above the people he serves.
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Tatsue Nuko
Tabula Rasa Systems
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.08.17 21:31:00 -
[34]
While this is all charming, I am curious about one thing: will the Cyrene Initiative seek to seek... recompense... for these insults in any forceful manner - or are you limiting yourselves to words?
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Yarod Cool
Team JAVELIN
The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2007.08.18 04:07:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Tatsue Nuko
While this is all charming, I am curious about one thing: will the Cyrene Initiative seek to seek... recompense... for these insults in any forceful manner - or are you limiting yourselves to words?
It's a disagreement over a news story. Are we going to start a fight over it? No, we're not the Star Fraction.
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John Tanashima
Caldari
Ekchuah Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.08.18 06:17:00 -
[36]
Out of respect for the police work done by the federal capsuleer community, and because this is an internal federation problem; I hereby propose a cease fire to Takagi Corporation in the Essence region from 1800 to 2100 EVT so that they can attend this protest without military interference.
John Tanashima
John Tanashima
CEO, Contre-Amiral
Ekchuah Incorporated |
Karanth
Gallente
Cirrius Technologies
O X I D E
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Posted - 2007.08.18 06:26:00 -
[37]
If at all possible, I'll attend. This is too important to pass up.
Free beer for those who mod my sig!
There is only one sig hijack that matters, the orginal and only member of the hijack squad. me. -Eris. ps Black russians are better then beer.
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Boma Airaken
Yurai-Tenshin Zaibatsu
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Posted - 2007.08.18 07:23:00 -
[38]
Originally by: John Tanashima
Out of respect for the police work done by the federal capsuleer community, and because this is an internal federation problem; I hereby propose a cease fire to Takagi Corporation in the Essence region from 1800 to 2100 EVT so that they can attend this protest without military interference.
John Tanashima
A very respectable and admirable gesture. This kind of thing goes a long way when it comes to respect and credibility. Good work Mr. Tanashima.
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Tatsue Nuko
Tabula Rasa Systems
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.08.18 09:21:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Yarod Cool
It's a disagreement over a news story. Are we going to start a fight over it? No, we're not the Star Fraction.
Originally by: Vorada Kuvakei
Single-handed, he has managed to remove any trace of this achievement from record and replaced it with his own.
So, your crew does a gig to stop the proliferation of a highly sought after item of goods "for the good of the federation" and whatnot. Then this Fed comes along and gobbles up the glory through some creative management of the media. All good so far?
...and after all that, all you're going to do is say "meh"?
Are you people always that easy to roll over? Grow some backbone and tell that scheming Fed where to shove his lack of respect for your actions. (Or stay quiet and docile so they all know you'll be equally useful to any other corrupt member of the polity that needs a stepping stone on the way up.)
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Nachshon
Caldari
Gradient
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.08.18 21:36:00 -
[40]
I'd recommend contacting the Scope. They'd love a story like this.
Anyway, good shooting. If you ever hear of Serpentis operations in the Republic, or Serpentis working with the Angel Cartel, please contact one of the Republic paramilitaries.
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Caldari by birth, Minmatar by citizenship.
The True Meaning of Freedom |
Verone
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Posted - 2007.08.19 13:44:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Mebrithiel Ju'wien
I'd question who's buying the stuff...
The state the Federation is in, I wouldn't be surprised if half the Senate is high on the stuff to be perfectly honest.
>>> THE BEAUTY OF NEW EDEN <<<
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Crausaum
Ixion Defence Systems
The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2007.08.19 23:00:00 -
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At 20:00 hours today Vorada Kuvakei and his fellow Illoren pilots were placed under arrest by agents of the Federation Intelligence and Customs Offices while attending a peaceful protest movement in the Luminaire system.
Federation officials stated the reasons for this arrest would be released within the next 72 hours.
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DarkNicodimus
Gallente
Ixion Defence Systems
The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2007.08.19 23:55:00 -
[43]
This doesnt sit well with me.
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Mississippi Gunn
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Posted - 2007.08.20 00:19:00 -
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Troubling news from a government that places such value on free speech and different ideals. They are guilty of nothing more then many other paramilitary and pod pilots who undertake missions on behalf of security forces/navies across the cluster.
How very hypocritical after Caldari paramilitaries stopped a peaceful protest, leading to the deaths of thousands via the destruction of the frieghter and the riots, for the Federation to arrest less then a dozen individuals attending a peaceful protest. I hope they have evidence for their supposed crime as opposed to asking us to "take their word for it".
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Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Gallente
Ixion Defence Systems
The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2007.08.20 12:19:00 -
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Originally by: Tatsue Nuko
Originally by: Yarod Cool
It's a disagreement over a news story. Are we going to start a fight over it? No, we're not the Star Fraction.
Originally by: Vorada Kuvakei
Single-handed, he has managed to remove any trace of this achievement from record and replaced it with his own.
So, your crew does a gig to stop the proliferation of a highly sought after item of goods "for the good of the federation" and whatnot. Then this Fed comes along and gobbles up the glory through some creative management of the media. All good so far?
...and after all that, all you're going to do is say "meh"?
Are you people always that easy to roll over? Grow some backbone and tell that scheming Fed where to shove his lack of respect for your actions. (Or stay quiet and docile so they all know you'll be equally useful to any other corrupt member of the polity that needs a stepping stone on the way up.)
Rolling over is not our way ms Tatsue and you know it quite well. But also we are not fond of putting more weight than deserved to minor events.
The statement of Inspector Xavier was only a media stunt. He knows as well as we do that we keep the Serpentis drug shipments to a check. The people of Placid know that. We are not here for glory, we are here to help the people of Federation, not the Senate.
Take your insulting remarks elsewhere. And i hope you choke on them.
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Tatsue Nuko
Tabula Rasa Systems
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.08.20 12:35:00 -
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Edited by: Tatsue Nuko on 20/08/2007 12:37:27
Originally by: Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Rolling over is not our way ms Tatsue and you know it quite well.
It's ms Nuko.
And I contest that I don't know it.
But either way, it shall be interesting to see how your Feds will use some dreamt up accusations against the Illoren to further cement the official picture that this little fed was that mastermind and hero.
He's making a career on you guys throwing pearls around and not even getting a pork chop in return. But if that suits your taste, then fine. I guess.
Edit: My guess on the future accusations is that the Illoren will be charged with drug trafficking. The irony and expedience of such a charge would be too beautiful for the imperialist to pass up.
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Pytria Le'Danness
Placid Reborn
The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2007.08.20 13:32:00 -
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I could not care less about his career and his standings within the Federation. I do not care for the fame and fortune or a reward. What bothers me is that the Inspector is abusing this success of the Placid Militia to paint a pretty picture for his superiors, a picture saying "All is well in Placid, we have it all under control."
All is not well there. Anyone saying differently should fly an Iteron V from Barlequet to Orvolle and see how far he gets, or step into a freighter full of drugs and fly it to Intaki and see how many customs agents question him. If not for courageous individual pod pilots Placid would suffer even more.
The Inspectors behaviour will cloud the eyes of his superiors and this cost many lives because the Federation does not see the need of the people in Placid. THIS is why I want the truth to be known. For all I care the Inspector can run for president on the wave of this success.
As for Mr. Kuvakei, I am not sure if these accusations bear any substance or are just intended to remove him from the public until the affair has vanished from the public sight. I know no misconduct of Mr. Kuvakei during the 'Rise' operations and will do my best to ensure that he can continue his work there. I suspect however that there will be some show trial with trumped up charges to get rid of someone threatening the relaxed lifestyle of certain officials by pointing out the truth.
So, if anyone can point out a competent lawyer, contact me as soon as possible.
Corporation RP channel: "PlacidReborn" |
Tatsue Nuko
Tabula Rasa Systems
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.08.20 14:19:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Pytria Le'Danness
The Inspectors behaviour will cloud the eyes of his superiors and this cost many lives because the Federation does not see the need of the people in Placid.
(My italics)
While I agree in principle, one question on the nit-picky side:
Would you agree then with the Federation in that the people of Placid do not know their own good, since you obviously agree with using force to prevent the entry of goods that are in apparent demand in Placid.
If the people of Placid were to decide for themselves, it is obvious that a portion of the populace would use this "Rise" thing.
Do you alongside the Federation consider your diktat about what the people need to stand so far above their own desire that you would use force and sacrifice lives to see the free choice removed from your people?
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DarkNicodimus
Gallente
Ixion Defence Systems
The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2007.08.20 19:20:00 -
[49]
Edited by: DarkNicodimus on 20/08/2007 19:21:06
Ms Nuko you once again in typical Star Fraction language twist and distort the dialoge into some form of bs that suits your views.
Your comments are vague and can be applied to anything and everything anybody does.Having such vague principls allows you to twist anything into something that suits your own personal needs.
A prime example is your goals(in a nut shell) about having "all pod pilots free to choose anything they want" , your use of force in any and all instances counter acts your own principles and thus makes anything you guys state mean nothing.
We have made our statements regarding this matter and most pilots understand. The fact that you cant doesnt surprise me
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Marie D'Artois
Gallente
D'Artois Legal Services
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Posted - 2007.08.20 20:17:00 -
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I am willing to take up the defense of M. Kuvakei and his comrades in all criminal and civil proceedings, including possible actions against M. Xavier of Customs and also against certain Federation Intelligence Office agents.
I suggest that M. Kuvakei is a victim of the current government's heavy-handed policy against the opposition, in which they seek to crush our treasured right to protest their ineffectual and self-satisfying performance in office. In addition, this may be a case of inducement by certain agents of the government.
I have contacted M. Kuvakei with a proposal, and hope to hear from him or his appointed agents soon.
Marie D'Artois
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Tatsue Nuko
Tabula Rasa Systems
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.08.21 11:27:00 -
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Originally by: DarkNicodimus
Your comments are vague and can be applied to anything and everything anybody does. Having such vague principls allows you to twist anything into something that suits your own personal needs.
My comments are not vague.
I have highlighted that you are being used by the corrupt polity of the Federation and stand quite willing to accept that without meaningful resistance.
I have furthermore highlighted the fact that you consider yourselves the arbitrary judges of what goods the people of Placid shall be allowed to consume, rather than letting them have the freedom to judge for themselves in such matters.
My principles are also hardly "vague", however your own comprehension of the simple concept seems to be so. The fact that you consider our actions against those that would see us restricted and lorded over by their own imperialist structures to contradict our own principles is a superb example of that. You comprehend nothing and that is no surprise, but it is also not the topic of this thread.
The topic of this thread is the violent action taken by you and yours against a private enterprise that supplies sought-after goods to the population of Placid. It is furthermore about the fact that this action was manipulated in the media by would-be lordlings of the Federal hierarchy to make themselves look great, using your backs as a stepping block in his career without the courtesy of giving proper credit. It is about the telling fact that the (apparent) true organizers of this lauded event are promptly arrested when these glorious little protest rallies are gathered.
As for our use of force against any and all imperialist - lordlings and minions alike - it most certainly does not contradict our principles. The very fact that they seek to restrain the free choices of their peers make them a valid target for any military action.
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Able Citizen
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:59:00 -
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Originally by: Crausaum
At 20:00 hours today Vorada Kuvakei and his fellow Illoren pilots were placed under arrest by agents of the Federation Intelligence and Customs Offices while attending a peaceful protest movement in the Luminaire system.
Federation officials stated the reasons for this arrest would be released within the next 72 hours.
This is a very disturbing development; one that is likely designed to chill dissent.
How many other examples of this type of 'jack-booted thuggery' need to occur before the Federation's facade of democracy is exposed for the oppressive regime that exists beneath the surface.
I wrongly thought that this type of activity would be practiced exclusively by a Blaque administration.
How much longer will the capsuleer community tolerate this blatant attack on freedom?
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Marie D'Artois
Gallente
D'Artois Legal Services
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Posted - 2007.08.21 17:42:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Able Citizen
I wrongly thought that this type of activity would be practiced exclusively by a Blaque administration.
You are defaming a good man and an able leader! This would not happen under a Blaque administration, only under Foiritan's corrupt government!
Marie D'Artois
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Vendrin
Caldari
APEX Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.08.21 18:11:00 -
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As always, if any organization desires aid to help the Illoren, the APEX Conglomerate will be happy to offer it.
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APEX Conglomerate is recruiting. Join channel APEXCOM for information! |
DutchGunner
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Posted - 2007.08.22 18:01:00 -
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Edited by: DutchGunner on 22/08/2007 18:02:08
Originally by: Tatsue Nuko
Originally by: Pytria Le'Danness
The Inspectors behaviour will cloud the eyes of his superiors and this cost many lives because the Federation does not see the need of the people in Placid.
(My italics)
While I agree in principle, one question on the nit-picky side:
Would you agree then with the Federation in that the people of Placid do not know their own good, since you obviously agree with using force to prevent the entry of goods that are in apparent demand in Placid.
If the people of Placid were to decide for themselves, it is obvious that a portion of the populace would use this "Rise" thing.
Do you alongside the Federation consider your diktat about what the people need to stand so far above their own desire that you would use force and sacrifice lives to see the free choice removed from your people?
It's not about stopping the drug that much. If people want to buy drugs, that's their call. The real problem behind drugs is that those who are able to distribute it, will get total control over those who wish/need to use it.
All that said and done i think that it was a good thing to intercept that drugsrun with that carrier. The only shame is that it didn't get destroyed to destroy the tool of the dealers and their bosses to control populance of placid.
What i am about to say now is on my own accord and does not represent the opinion of my corperation or alliance capsuleer members.
Should there be any attempt to resque the poor man who is falsly accused, tell me and i will do my best to help out!. Placid is in need of those who are willing to step forward to defend it, as so many just wish to benefit from it, or hunt the benefitters for the hunters benefit.
Once again, this is an opinion of my own accord and not one from my corperation or alliance!
DG
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DutchGunner
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Posted - 2007.08.23 17:51:00 -
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I have done some asking around and i know the following:
Vorada Kuvakei is geing held at Luminaire VII - Moon 1 - Federation Customs Testing Facilities station in the Luminaire system of the Crux constellation.
I suggest that those who wish to show that it what happend is unacceptable will join me at a protest gathering outside this station on sunday the 26th of august at around 17:00 eve standard time.
DG
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Crausaum
Ixion Defence Systems
The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2007.08.25 18:34:00 -
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Originally by: DutchGunner
I suggest that those who wish to show that it what happened is unacceptable will join me at a protest gathering outside this station on Sunday the 26th of august at around 17:00 eve standard time.
Given the total lack of communication from the Federation in regards to Mr. Kuvakei and the Illoren corporations pilots legal status I think our only option for the moment is to protest.
I feel that legal proceedings the Federation are in order but I am unaware of how to begin such an action.
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Mericot Finweth
Gallente
Swords to Plowshares
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Posted - 2007.08.26 09:19:00 -
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I apologize if I'm butting into a private discussion here, but there is a matter of principle which I felt I couldn't shut up about. It pertains to the argument about freedom:
(originally by Tatsue Nuko, of the Star Fraction Alliance)
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Furthermore I must point out the rampant hypocrisy shown by self-styled advocates of freedom that would aid imperialist forces bent on restricting free trade of goods and services. You don't help any cause of freedom by your action
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If the people of Placid were to decide for themselves, it is obvious that a portion of the populace would use this "Rise" thing.
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I have furthermore highlighted the fact that you consider yourselves the arbitrary judges of what goods the people of Placid shall be allowed to consume, rather than letting them have the freedom to judge for themselves in such matters.
In an abstract universe that might be the case. However, free choice cannot be an isolated variable but must be related to a power context. In this case, on the macro-scale, the power that lies behind the spread of drugs is a power that would, if un-checked, develop into a greater hassle for freedom and democracy for the Intaki people than the Federation i. e. stopping the Serpentis Corporation and its supporters results in greater freedom for the Intaki people, since supporting the Serpentis Corporation's profits, would in the long run restrict people's freedom more than supporting Federation law.
And on the micro-scale, the power of the drug to induce addiction makes it restrict people's individual freedom, thus restricitng the free choice of the person using it. Therefore it is a lesser evil to restrict the drug's influence, preferably by destroying it, than restricting people's freedom of trading with it.
Democracy, in practice, is less about maximizing indulgent freedoms, than minimizing the influence of powers that would restrict freedoms unduly whether such powers are monopolies, drugs or religious fanatics. I believe this is the prime difference between anarchic ideology and democratic ideology.
(originally by Dutch Gunner)
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It's not about stopping the drug that much. If people want to buy drugs, that's their call. The real problem behind drugs is that those who are able to distribute it, will get total control over those who wish/need to use it.
Signed. In this case the cause of freedom seems clearly more served by restricting the power of the drug distributors than by restricting the powers of the (corrupt or non-corrupt) Federal Customs to stop the drug from circulation. Don't you agree?
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Kormus Xaal
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Posted - 2007.08.27 01:43:00 -
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This past week I've been out of my "pod" for some much needed R&R, and I was browsing the holo-net, and found something quite interesting:
Intaki Bank secures funding for Syndicate R&D program
POITOT, SYNDICATE
- The Intaki Bank has secured funding for an extensive interstellar R&D program, its spokesman revealed during a delayed Quarterly Reports meeting today. The project will be run on behalf of parent body The Syndicate - which was recently granted licenses to key astromechanical patents - and while no official confirmation has been given, most analysts agree it will be almost certainly focused on starship technology.
I find it quite interesting that the Intaki bank has "Secured" funding from ...
Now, before we all jump on the bandwagon stating this is mere speculation, lets take a look at the Intaki banks profits from the last year:
Q1 -3.560%
Q2 -7.131%
Q3 -1.977%
Q4 - 8.031%
for a total loss over the last 4 quarters being -20.699%.
After the announcement, the stock of the bank rose 5.17% in a solar WEEK.
One question I would like to ask is:
- HOW and WHERE is the Intaki bank securing funds from ?, who is the backer ?, there are some things slightly amiss here.
This is not the first time the intaki bank has been up to no good. I expect more reverberations in the not so distant future.
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Tatsue Nuko
Tabula Rasa Systems
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.08.28 19:07:00 -
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Mr Finweth,
You describe democracy as an ideology not about 'indulgent' freedoms, but about restricting what you consider bad or limiting influences. The problem is that you have to show that you have the right to enforce this. What gives you that right? The voice of the corrupt majority? What gives them the right? Nothing beyond the fact that they, by proxy of the apparatus of government, control the most resources of violence.
The democrat is an amarr holder in all except personal power.
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