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Liet Traep Minmatar Black Lance oooh Shiny	Posted - 2007.08.14 16:52:00 - [1] I've been playing eve since fall of 2003. I've fought in hundreds of battles across most of eve (and successfully run away from most of them!) Eve is by far the most intertesting and unique MMO out there right now. And there's lots to love. But there are a few deal breakers. 1. POS. People hate them. people hate setting them up, people hate maintaining them, people hate assaulting them. I remember friends in one alliance say they were assaulting geminate and one guy would come in the middle of the night and set up pos's and stymie and slow them down. POS are a great idea but the way they were implemented make them a hassle for all involved. 2. Capital ships. I hate them. I prefer small ship combat and hate even flying bs. HACs and CS are so much fun! Capital ships though. Sigh. I remember when I first saw the titans on the test server. I remember thinking to myself this is probably what will get me to quit eve. Capital ships lead to blob warfare which is no fun. 3. Heat. I don't see the need for it. it's an interesting distraction but there are so many more things that needed to get done. I'd much rather that CCP had scrapped heat and devoted more resources elsewhere. Things I'd like to see or see more of. 1. AVATARS!!!!! Imagine if CCP hadn't wasted time coding POS and Capital ships and put all that effort into coding avatars so we can walk around stations and socialize and sip Quafe or drink Starski! 2. Factional Warfare. They've been promising it for so long and that was the sort of thing that seemed really interesting. 3. More of a focus on solo and small gang pvp. CCP has already decided to work more on this. Getting into a blob of 400 to attack another blob of 400 isn't much fun for a lot of people. I know MMO's are a social thing and you can expect to gather in groups for a lot of things. But I hate when an a game FORCES me to join into a large group to get anything done. Besides roaming around looking for ganks there's not much for a small gang of 5-10 people to do. I'd love to find a way to make small gangs matter. These are my opinions. If you don't agree with them fine just be constructive in your criticism. Any this is my .02 isk
EntroX Arepa INC.	Posted - 2007.08.14 16:55:00 - [2] Can i have your stuff then?
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.08.14 16:58:00 - [3] Originally by: EntroX Can i have your stuff then? He said he doen't play anymore, and then listed things he'd like to see... So I'm gussing, NO, you can't... btw OP, I don't play anymore either, I guess us long term vets are finding it harder & harder to log in these days... My Infinity Ship Designs: T-Y9, Hauler
cal nereus Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.14 16:58:00 - [4] I do not disagree with you. Well played. o7 --- Grismar.net
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.08.14 16:59:00 - [5] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 14/08/2007 17:00:13 Small gang and solo pvp is where the fun is for a lot of people, so I hope they sit down and have a look at the current pvp the game has, and maybe redesign some of the stuff that simply is not fun. But its a complex job. Capital ships is kind of natural in a game like this. Too bad they seem to make the game worse instead of better. Im not talking from any personal experience here though. Cant fly them and im not even in a 0.0 alliance. --- Originally by: CCP Wrangler You're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, thats what hello kitty online is for.
Nanobotter Mk2	Posted - 2007.08.14 17:00:00 - [6] Well I would like some stuff too!, but on a serious note I agree with what you posted. Specifically CCP REALLY REALLY went the wrong way with CAP ships, they are just such an insanely more powerful step up from everything else that it takes the fun and battle out of battle. It was a very serious mistake they made and I doubt they have the guts to fix it now since the few who trained them spent so much time into them...
Edenmain Rage Academy oooh Shiny	Posted - 2007.08.14 17:13:00 - [7] Edited by: Edenmain on 14/08/2007 17:14:02 yeah im not a fan of POS/Capital warfare. you spend 90% of the time waiting for the 2 sides to gather enough people and when they think they have enough to attack, its just a lag fest. They created a system of gaming which on paper is very impressive but to play is not hugely entertaining and one which, frankly, the game servers cannot cope with on the grand scale it was meant for.
Sharupak Minmatar Knights Of the Black Sun	Posted - 2007.08.14 17:18:00 - [8] I would like to see factional warfare as well. The rest of it, I dont agree with. As far as gangs, form up 7-10 ships and head out...stop by rancer on your way to Jita...9 times out of 10, you are gonna end up in a slugging match. Walking in stations and socializing is nice, but very secondary imo. The relative ease with which you can open a private channel or switch over to a channel with a subject you want to disscuss makes eve posess the best chat system I have ever seen in an mmo. That part of it is very well thought out. If they want to do a giant expansion and have your own house on a station and land on planets and explore around, I think that would be spectacular. Heat is awesome, especially since noone uses it or even bothers to train it. Capital ship and POS warefare is an aspect of the game that you dont have to participate in. Huge fleet battles are entirely separate from gang ops. It seems as though you want to lump the two together as if they impose upon each other somehow. You dont ever have to fly a capital ship. There are players in my corp that feel the same way and fly inties and assault frigates exclusively....nothing wrong with that. I dont see how the big ships take anything away from that. If you mean the small boys have less importance in fleet combat....we would definately have to agree to disagree there. _______________________________________________ RuntimeError: ChainEvent is blocking by design, but you're block trapped. You have'll have to find some alternative means to do Your Thing, dude.
Cailais Amarr VITOC Fang Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.14 17:37:00 - [9] I have to say I agree with many of the OP's comments. During the last POS attack I was involved in I got so utterly bored I drank 2 bottles of wine and must have logged off at some stage in the early hours of the morning, as as I was still in the same system the next day (though I cant remember any of that). I proposed an idea Linkage awhile back that i think sounds a bit better than slugging at a POS for hours, but few responded to it - so I can only assume I, and the OP are in the minority and that the vast majority of the player base prefer POS warfare and blobs to fast small gang skirmishes. That's a shame, but hopefully ccp will keep in mind that 'MMO' doesn't mean that everything must be done by the mob. C. - sig designer - eve mail
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2007.08.14 17:43:00 - [10] Originally by: Liet Traep 3. More of a focus on solo and small gang pvp. CCP has already decided to work more on this. Getting into a blob of 400 to attack another blob of 400 isn't much fun for a lot of people. CCP nerfed the only alliance dedicated to solo and small gang pVp. They have no interest in it. SKUNK Originally by: Jeximo I also like how your cat only managed to hit the enter button when he/she jumped on your keyboard.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.08.14 17:44:00 - [11] Originally by: Le Skunk Originally by: Liet Traep 3. More of a focus on solo and small gang pvp. CCP has already decided to work more on this. Getting into a blob of 400 to attack another blob of 400 isn't much fun for a lot of people. CCP nerfed the only alliance dedicated to solo and small gang pVp. They have no interest in it. SKUNK Lets be fair. They nerfed war fees because you guys turned empire into a war zone. --- Originally by: CCP Wrangler You're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, thats what hello kitty online is for.
Trebor Notlimah Gallente Gunfleet Logistics Rogue Method Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.14 17:48:00 - [12] Hazaa Skunk!! I only flew with Privs for about a month but it was the best month of EvE EVAR! It was an honor flying with you guys because it was quite honestly the only time where 3-4 ship gangs could clash and it would be fun as hell. No bubbles, no cap ships. Unadultered fun. Treb
Sinnbad Mayhem Amarr Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.08.14 17:50:00 - [13] agreed with everything u said, except I love this game. LOVE small ships, AFs, ceptors and HACs. You will likely never catch me in a BS unless some mandatory OP. just wish I had more time to play (like now instead of work ffs) Vagabonds have been my dream since day 1, never deviated and now I can fly them. Cant wait to get some time off to figure out a way to buy one and go pwn some noob :) But any isk u can spare to help a brother? S&M
prathe Minmatar Omega Enterprises Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2007.08.14 18:02:00 - [14] capitals ship combat is sweet when it small scale jump tos and so forth but in big fleet battles i personally hate it laggin in a 100mio ship is fine but laggin with a coupla bil worth of carrier not so fun tbh at some point we are going to have to break pvp into instances and categories unless ccp gets the servers under control somebody i dont know who suggested having fleet fight broken into instances origionally i hated the idea but i have thought about it and am leaning more towards it for example lets say you got 2 uber blobs of 300 plus each 1st level frig vs frig both fleets frigs meet in space and fight it out the winners can support they're fleet in the next instance the runners / losers are droped out 2nd level cruisers + previous levels winning frigs same as above 3rd level bs's same.. you get the idea run this under an agreement system on a dedicated server then once it's resolved drop everybody back note you can leave warp out escape at anytime in a battle but you cant return that my only solution
Hellaciouss Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.08.14 18:24:00 - [15] Edited by: Hellaciouss on 14/08/2007 18:27:48 Edited by: Hellaciouss on 14/08/2007 18:25:02 Speak for yourself, tbh. I love the 400 vs 400 Battles with Capitals. What I don't love is the lag and desync. If there was little lag and no desync everyone would be a lot happier. Jumping into a system that is camped by a large gang + 3 carriers and killing almost all the support and the 3 carriers is full of win, tbfh! Video :) No other game can give me that rush! The lag and desync though...it kills the game... Oh yes, and Titans. Thank god for the nerf. Titans ruined the game for a bit. The nerf was great though. No ship deserves to be invincible like the titan was.
Shozo Pay Now inc	Posted - 2007.08.14 18:52:00 - [16] Wow...this is probably THE first thread on the General Forum regarding these topics I have fully agreed with. Capitals and POS are lame...never have liked them and hate dealing with them. Small gangs are definitely where it is at in PVP in this game, imho. So much more fun can be had fighting with a small gang roaming around...you get better fights, more manageable fights, and all around more intensity as a result. 400 people locking whatever they can and spamming is lame and boring. I think we need to return EVE to its PVP roots. --
Hellaciouss Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.08.14 19:03:00 - [17] Originally by: Shozo Wow...this is probably THE first thread on the General Forum regarding these topics I have fully agreed with. Capitals and POS are lame...never have liked them and hate dealing with them. Small gangs are definitely where it is at in PVP in this game, imho. So much more fun can be had fighting with a small gang roaming around...you get better fights, more manageable fights, and all around more intensity as a result. 400 people locking whatever they can and spamming is lame and boring. I think we need to return EVE to its PVP roots. I've been in many small "gangs" (crow + curse). 98% of the fights you are either ganking or being ganked. There is no "gank" in 100 vs 100, or 400 vs 400. GANKING is NOT PvP. It's GANKING. Simple as that.
Iva Soreass FireStar Inc	Posted - 2007.08.14 19:50:00 - [18] I realy have to agree with you on some points, myself to i have realy sucome to hate this blob warfare attitude which is one of the reasons i have deviated from my original training path to go for recons in the hope that it will relight my intrest in EvE. Dont get me wrong i love this ******* game but blob warfare // pos warfare // horrid dysync-lagg is making eve very dull for me. So roll on 18 days from now when i have all the skills i want to be able to get into my recon comfy and i pray it makes me wanna stay. www.firestar-online.com
Shozo Pay Now inc	Posted - 2007.08.14 20:09:00 - [19] Originally by: Hellaciouss I've been in many small "gangs" (crow + curse). 98% of the fights you are either ganking or being ganked. There is no "gank" in 100 vs 100, or 400 vs 400. GANKING is NOT PvP. It's GANKING. Simple as that. That, my friend, is what you call an assumption. You presume to have even remote knowledge of the engagements I regularly participate in or organize. Please speculate and assume while misquoting someone else. Lol. --
Hellaciouss Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.08.14 20:41:00 - [20] Originally by: Shozo Originally by: Hellaciouss I've been in many small "gangs" (crow + curse). 98% of the fights you are either ganking or being ganked. There is no "gank" in 100 vs 100, or 400 vs 400. GANKING is NOT PvP. It's GANKING. Simple as that. That, my friend, is what you call an assumption. You presume to have even remote knowledge of the engagements I regularly participate in or organize. Please speculate and assume while misquoting someone else. Lol. Keep telling yourself you're a unique snowflake. I've been in every "small" gang setup imaginable. HAC's only, Ceptors Only, T1 frigs only, T1 cruisers only, two/three BS's (remote rep). It's all the same. Most times it's gank or be ganked with small gangs. Sure once in a blue moon you may find a small gang of equal power and coordination/teamwork, but those are far and few in between, and they are fun as hell, but most still are ganks/being ganked. You're in an 11 man corp w/ a corp history of being a goonie for less then 2 months and have a -9.9 sec status. I'm sure I have a picture of what kind of engagements you've been in.
Franga Caldari NQX Innovations Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.14 21:04:00 - [21] Edited by: Franga on 14/08/2007 21:04:47 First time someone has whined but then posted some constructive comments afterwards in general discussion for a while. No 'shutup' for you. PS. I hate blobs too. But it's more for the reasons of lag. Like the other guy said, if there were not so much of it they would be 1000% better. PPS. Yes, 1000%. I said it and meant it. _____________________________ Eldo spanked my sig but I can't be bothered changing it just now.
Shozo Pay Now inc	Posted - 2007.08.14 21:10:00 - [22] Originally by: Hellaciouss Keep telling yourself you're a unique snowflake. I've been in every "small" gang setup imaginable. HAC's only, Ceptors Only, T1 frigs only, T1 cruisers only, two/three BS's (remote rep). It's all the same. Most times it's gank or be ganked with small gangs. Sure once in a blue moon you may find a small gang of equal power and coordination/teamwork, but those are far and few in between, and they are fun as hell, but most still are ganks/being ganked. You're in an 11 man corp w/ a corp history of being a goonie for less then 2 months and have a -9.9 sec status. I'm sure I have a picture of what kind of engagements you've been in. AGAIN with the mass assumptions. But, you know what...I will leave you to that because in the end you still don't know. My security status is a product of the low sec system I patrol...it is a single system with a 0.4 sec status. Every single fight that I engage in will always result in a reduction in my security status. My corporation is also 90% inactive and I'm not even sure how my corporation's member count or my security status or corporation history have anything to do with this except more fuel to your assumptions. You don't know a single thing about me, how I operate, how I fight, what ships I fly or favor, etc. You're entire basis of arguments against me is 100% assumption. Let's see how much more baseless ideas, assumptions, or thoughts you can come up with in your next post. Oh and while we're at it lets also assume I said I was unique. Let's also assume that I fly in all cruiser gangs or that I even operate in small gangs frequently. And we'll even assume I gate camp regularly and even more so we'll assume that I don't pick my fights intelligently and that I prefer to gank solitary newbies or clearly underpowered gangs, etc. I've got a quote for you...you'll like it because it's from this awesome movie...Under Siege 2... "Assumption is the mother of all ups." --
heheheh Singularity. Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.08.14 21:15:00 - [23] Originally by: EntroX Can i have your stuff then? He doesnt have any
heheheh Singularity. Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.08.14 21:17:00 - [24] Originally by: Hellaciouss Originally by: Shozo Originally by: Hellaciouss I've been in many small "gangs" (crow + curse). 98% of the fights you are either ganking or being ganked. There is no "gank" in 100 vs 100, or 400 vs 400. GANKING is NOT PvP. It's GANKING. Simple as that. That, my friend, is what you call an assumption. You presume to have even remote knowledge of the engagements I regularly participate in or organize. Please speculate and assume while misquoting someone else. Lol. Keep telling yourself you're a unique snowflake. I've been in every "small" gang setup imaginable. HAC's only, Ceptors Only, T1 frigs only, T1 cruisers only, two/three BS's (remote rep). It's all the same. Most times it's gank or be ganked with small gangs. Sure once in a blue moon you may find a small gang of equal power and coordination/teamwork, but those are far and few in between, and they are fun as hell, but most still are ganks/being ganked. You're in an 11 man corp w/ a corp history of being a goonie for less then 2 months and have a -9.9 sec status. I'm sure I have a picture of what kind of engagements you've been in. Its peole like this that keep me playing, knowing youve popped that bigheaded pillocks ships is priceless.
Atama Cardel GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.14 21:20:00 - [25] Originally by: Hellaciouss Edited by: Hellaciouss on 14/08/2007 18:27:48 Edited by: Hellaciouss on 14/08/2007 18:25:02 Speak for yourself, tbh. I love the 400 vs 400 Battles with Capitals. What I don't love is the lag and desync. If there was little lag and no desync everyone would be a lot happier. Jumping into a system that is camped by a large gang + 3 carriers and killing almost all the support and the 3 carriers is full of win, tbfh! Video :) No other game can give me that rush! The lag and desync though...it kills the game... Oh yes, and Titans. Thank god for the nerf. Titans ruined the game for a bit. The nerf was great though. No ship deserves to be invincible like the titan was. I have to agree, I love huge fleet battles, it's just the lag that kills it
Hannobaal Gallente Dragonfire Intergalactic Crusaders of Krom Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.08.14 21:38:00 - [26] Large-scale 0.0 warfare fleet battles are great. The one and only thing that detracts from it is the lag. ------------------
Mari Onette Amarr	Posted - 2007.08.14 21:44:00 - [27] Edited by: Mari Onette on 14/08/2007 21:44:58 Sound like you have hit the nail on the head, except for avatars. Most of the big expensive stuff these days are just isk sinks for older players with endgame money, and it only serves to hurts those who aren't making billions. - I am in blood! Stepp'd in so far that, should I wade no more, it would be as tedious as going over. -MacBeth - At 20 dollars a month, Eve costs 2 cents an hour to play. Downtime is cheap.
Gort Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.08.14 22:17:00 - [28] I fully agree with everything the OP said except the part about Avatars. I don't have much interest in them. If I did, I'd log in to Second Life. I think he's right on about the rest, though. 'Nuther 2003 Vet, G -- When in doubt, empty the magazine.
Nub tard	Posted - 2007.08.14 23:27:00 - [29] I have been playing EVE since Jan 2005. I stopped playing EVE in June. And no, no one can have my stuff because I might come back one day. So anyway, I stopped playing eve because it's a TIME SINK. Someone has to spend lots and lots of time doing grinding work to have any kind of fun. Now for people that don't have to work, this is a not a problem, because someone can do grinding work for 6 hours a day, accumulate a nice load of isk, and then go and have a few hours of fun with it. Most of us, have to work and pay taxes. That leaves us with anywhere from 2 to 6 hours each day to enjoy ourselves. Some of us that work also have a family that requires time too. EVE is cool, but it needs to be less time consuming. I don't know how that can get implemented, but for me, it was almost like I had a second job while playing eve. Are my blueprints out of research yet? Are my ships done building yet, how much can I undercut everyone else in the region and still make a profit, and not charge less for what minerals are used? Who is going to kill me today? How much will I loose? etc... For me I could make a modest earning of 1 billion a month. This was an ok income for me, but then I realized that my net earnings were about half of my profits, and that's if I didn't loose the 1 billion fitted battleship on an alliance OP, and oh yeah those were some lag free battles too, at times I thought I was in Jita! I started to realize that a bunch of @ss hats play EVE, and I really didn't like them. These so called "die hard" PVPers where capsuleers who proclaimed themselves anything from a saint to a pirate. These people only really had one goal in playing EVE and that's to ruin someone else's day. That's how they had their fun, and really, that's really the only way to have true fun in EVE is to watch someone's ship get blown to bits, and kill their pod off hoping they lost a bunch of implants in the process. It's only a game though right? EVE is not just a game, it's a complicated social system that someone engages in, and might get to experience some gaming in the process. Games were meant to be enjoyed by all those who play them. Some people pay their subscription dues and do not have any fun for long periods of time, instead they pay their fee, and work their @ss off in the game hoping to have fun at some future date, but in the mean time others are having fun at their expense. They do this because they meet friends and have a little fun talking to their Eve friends, they see their Eve friends have fun and think, "One day after I mined my heart out, and done this, picked my nose and sing Jingle Bells, I can have fun too.", so they continue to deal with the grinding work and other players having fun at their expense. This is not how a game should be. You shouldn't have to spend so much darn time to have so little fun. Look at BOB, or any big alliance, it takes a bunch of minions to do the grinding so a select few can have some fun, while the grinders get to have a little fun every now and then. Anyway, just my worthless comments.... Yes this was posted with an alt, and for good reason too!
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2007.08.14 23:41:00 - [30] Originally by: Liet Traep I've been playing eve since fall of 2003. I've fought in hundreds of battles across most of eve (and successfully run away from most of them!) Eve is by far the most intertesting and unique MMO out there right now. And there's lots to love. But there are a few deal breakers. 1. POS. People hate them. people hate setting them up, people hate maintaining them, people hate assaulting them. I remember friends in one alliance say they were assaulting geminate and one guy would come in the middle of the night and set up pos's and stymie and slow them down. POS are a great idea but the way they were implemented make them a hassle for all involved. A: POS - you dont need to run them at all. If you want PvP, why dont forget the POS and simply go for the ships? Roving bands of ships hunting other ships? There are alliances out there who give a damn about sovreignty and do what they like: warfare! Avoiding POS camping and going for pew pew only! 2. Capital ships. I hate them. I prefer small ship combat and hate even flying bs. HACs and CS are so much fun! Capital ships though. Sigh. I remember when I first saw the titans on the test server. I remember thinking to myself this is probably what will get me to quit eve. Capital ships lead to blob warfare which is no fun. A: Capital ships are support ships in base. I have halted my plans for cap ships for the moment flying other ships! Have you tried for example flying an Astarte? Its a command ship and I have plenty of fun with it! So I do with the Tanaris! The interceptor. I love gallente ships! They are pwetty, and dont have any of the pains cap ships have. like cyno jumping etc. They are also way cool! And pretty powerfull! Dont like Cap ships? Skip em! Cap ships aint the next step anyway after the Battleship! 3. Heat. I don't see the need for it. it's an interesting distraction but there are so many more things that needed to get done. I'd much rather that CCP had scrapped heat and devoted more resources elsewhere. A: I have not used heat much, but I plan to do it as soon I learn the skills and get the handle of it! And you are free not to use it! As with so much else! But please! Dont come here and whine saying I have got an unfair advantage, when I am using heat and turn a loss to victory, while you dont want to use it and end up loosing a "secure" victory. Its the edge of the knife blade, and it can turn the balance. Things I'd like to see or see more of. 1. AVATARS!!!!! Imagine if CCP hadn't wasted time coding POS and Capital ships and put all that effort into coding avatars so we can walk around stations and socialize and sip Quafe or drink Starski! A: Agreed! 2. Factional Warfare. They've been promising it for so long and that was the sort of thing that seemed really interesting. A: Agreed. But thats supposed to come in Chapter III of Revelation, which is coming in November/december. 3. More of a focus on solo and small gang pvp. CCP has already decided to work more on this. Getting into a blob of 400 to attack another blob of 400 isn't much fun for a lot of people. I know MMO's are a social thing and you can expect to gather in groups for a lot of things. But I hate when an a game FORCES me to join into a large group to get anything done. Besides roaming around looking for ganks there's not much for a small gang of 5-10 people to do. I'd love to find a way to make small gangs matter. A: Small roving groups are great fun! What I dont understand is why everyone have to go for sovreignty when they hate it! Go for the soft target I say (Ie no POSes but ship!!) and fly around kill stuff! These are my opinions. If you don't agree with them fine just be constructive in your criticism. Any this is my .02 isk EVE is what you make it to yourself! Just have fun doing what you want! If you let others set your timetable, I can guarantee you wont have that much fun as you would have liked! Originally by: Splagada you're on eve-o, just go for blunt insults and random crap, please!

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