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Mr Crown	Posted - 2007.08.14 20:16:00 - [1] I decided to upgrade from a t2/arbalest raven to a CNR. I never used faction mods before, and after the purchase will have 200-300m left. What would be the essential mods to buy for that price if any? Also, is it better to start upgrading a regular raven with faction gear and buy a CNR later, or buy a CNR first and fit it with t2/named, slowly ubgrading it to faction as I get the isk for it? Any advice appreciated.
Zo5o	Posted - 2007.08.14 20:35:00 - [2] Edited by: Zo5o on 14/08/2007 20:37:36 Hopefully you haven't bought that CNR yet. It's better to get a nice faction XL shield booster for your regular raven before upgrading to CNR... get a nice XL SB that you can permarun, one that uses less cap than an xl sb ii, maybe one of those nice C-types or X-types. This will accomplish two things for you: 1. It will allow you to take on larger amounts of aggro in missions with your regular Raven. If you loot or salvage, this will save you more time than buying a CNR will, because this will allow you to gather your wrecks together in a nice tight little circle, rather than say, a 250 km stream of wrecks caused by running away from a pocket your current tank can't handle. 2. Once you get your CNR, you'll have had experience already with running a faction XL Shield Booster, and this in turn will turn your newly acquired CNR into a nearly invincible missioning machine. So, in summary, a faction XL shield booster will save you time by keeping your wrecks close together and your warpouts to 0, and once you get your CNR, since you'll already have the faction shield booster and will have experience with it, the chances of you losing said CNR will become slim to none in hisec if you play your cards right. For PvE, always fit your tank before your gank, IMO.
Gerrard Lea Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2007.08.14 21:32:00 - [3] Don't waste your iskies on an immensly expensive XL shield booster. Get a Dread Guristas large shield booster and some crystal implants.
Polly Prissypantz	Posted - 2007.08.15 02:43:00 - [4] 7 x Cruise II (standard ammo) 1 x Large Diminishing NOS 1 x Estamel's XL Booster (there's an X- or A- type equivelant, but I can't remember it's name). This'll be your most expensive outlay. It's not the most efficient rep, but it's the highest rep per second. 1 x Shield Boost Amp 3 x Mission specific hardeners 1 x Magic slot (eccm/sensor booster/target painter/4th hardener - depends who you're fighting) 2 x BCS II 1 x CPU II 2 x PDS II 5 x med therm drones 5 x light therm drones If there's a level 4 you can't solo in this, well... No comment.
Polly Prissypantz	Posted - 2007.08.15 02:45:00 - [5] Quote: Don't waste your iskies on an immensly expensive XL shield booster. Get a Dread Guristas large shield booster and some crystal implants. Depending on which XL booster you're talking about, your not really looking at all that much difference in price once you factor in the cost of multiple crystal implants. On top of that, training time is priceless. If you're flying around with +4 or +5 implants as any self-respecting carebear would, then fitting +2/+3 crystals is a step backwards.
Carniflex Caldari Fallout Research Fallout Project	Posted - 2007.08.15 07:24:00 - [6] 'Budget' CNR 7x Siege II 1x Auto Targeter I XL T2 booster 3x T2 hardener 1x PWNAGE painter 1x Heavy Cap Injector II 3x CN Ballistic Control 1x beta RCU 1x CPU II (or shadow cpu if t2 is not enough) 3x CCC I rigs 5x Medium 5x Light T2 drones It will fit with AWU 4. Faction BCU's give better bang/isk relation than faction launchers. Altho latter is getting relatively cheap also. Don't bother with faction shield booster - it does not make you do missions any faster. Instead pick relatively lagfree system for missionrunning.
MrRookie Caldari Dark and Light inc. D-L	Posted - 2007.08.15 10:44:00 - [7] Go for the Navy Raven Navy Raven 7x cruise II (few mill) 1x Domi/Republic XL booster(100 mill), 3x Navy hardners (few mill + some LP), 1x Domi SBA (10-20mill) 3x Cap fluxes II (6 mill), 2x BCU II (get some navy ones for some LP asap, not that expensive) The booster should be substainable or atleast nearly. If you spend carefully, the fittings should be less than 300 mill without navy BCUs. As you get some navy BCUs you should also be able to fitt T2 7 sieges instead. Sig removed. Please email us at [email protected] if you would like to know why. -Conuion Meow May I have pink next time plz?
Red Rumurder 5punkorp Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.08.15 13:52:00 - [8] budget fit on a cnr pff what a funny statement. the bs your flying is almost 1 bil so why not spend the iskies to fly it right but you asked for budget so here you go 7x cruise 1x hvy diminishing nos (not needed but fun to watch) 1x xl booster 1x amp 3x hard 1x cap rech or 4x hard 3x bcs 2x pdu all best named t1 for budget =( all t2 for a little more umph (will run in to cpu issues if all t2) all t2 but hardners cn/dg makes cpu fitting easier all cn fittings is best and not too expensive minus the launchers of course (tags) go for the last one to be honest - expensive but not uber xl shield booster expensive. your mission completion time will go down so more missions means more isk and lp in less time hense more iskies. i went shield hardners then bcs then shield amp then xl shield booster then launchers. cnr >>>>> then faction shield booster - bigger amount of shields, and the xtra launcher out weight the shield booster any day
Mr Crown	Posted - 2007.08.16 15:14:00 - [9] Thanks very much everyone for the advice. I looked around and it seems a C-type or X-type XL SBs are 900M and up, so, I can't afford them anyway. Bought a CNR, now looking for a cheaper interim faction XL Booster.
Xaen Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.08.16 15:24:00 - [10] Budget CNR is an oxymoron. ----------- Support fixing the EVE UI Drones should not aggro anything missiles or turrets do not.
Mr Crown	Posted - 2007.08.16 16:19:00 - [11] Originally by: Xaen Budget CNR is an oxymoron. Yeah, I am sure everyone who bought one accumulated 6B in fittings before even thinking of buying it.
Hephaesteus Gallente	Posted - 2007.08.16 17:07:00 - [12] Originally by: Mr Crown Yeah, I am sure everyone who bought one accumulated 6B in fittings before even thinking of buying it. If you are not going to pimp out your CNR what's the point you might as well stick with a standard Raven. The whole point of a CNR with faction fittings is massive fire-power with an almost invunerable tank. Btw I got the faction stuff before my CNR.
Apocryphai Caldari	Posted - 2007.08.16 18:33:00 - [13] One tiny thing to add here... Remember: NEVER fly anything you can't afford to lose... Originally by: Victor Valka What the skull-chick said.
Kyreax Deepspace Exploration Biscuit Repair Associates	Posted - 2007.08.16 22:53:00 - [14] Originally by: Xaen Budget CNR is an oxymoron. Damnit! You beat me to saying that! --------------------------------------------------- It's a Templar, an Amarr Fighter used by Carriers.
Edu Journeyman Caldari	Posted - 2007.08.17 00:05:00 - [15] I've got the CNR before any fanction module, was an agent offer, after all (before Rev2 and LP store) and all I can say is: cash will come a lot faster using a T2 fitted CNR. Of course, skills to properly fit the CNR (with T2) will be a problem to some players and that is why that players start using fanction modules, not to talk in the possibility (against EULA) to buy ISK with real $ and buy whatever Gist/Estamel they find in Jita is faster than waiting for your skills to be trained... Just keep in mind: if you can solo L4 with a T2 fitted Raven you will do the same in the T2 fitted CNR, only faster Fanction modules can come later, as you see fitting (and walllet) for them, that's IMHO. Be your journeys long and prosperous. Treat the others as you like to be treated. Rude and fool are enemies.
Leandro Salazar The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.08.17 00:29:00 - [16] Now I am used to people fitting their ships with bits and pieces of modules, like fraction launchers, but what the heck is fanction gear? There is no 'n' in turret There is no 'r' in faction There is no 'a' in Scorpion There is no 'e' in Caldari There is no makeup in rogue drones
Takeshi Solugar	Posted - 2007.08.17 06:50:00 - [17] Oh god don't listen to these people and their Super Pricey Faction XL shield booster opinions. If you fit your ship correctly you won't ever need it. Go for the budget Caldari Navy X-Large shield booster. The benefits of getting this one is you probably have enough LP for it anyways so you're only out the tags and price. I usually go for 4 T2 specific hardeners and Shield boost amplifier 2 for the last slot. The lows should be 3 Caldari Navy BCS (easy to buy or grind) for their lessened CPU need and 2 PDS2's. I have a mix of 3 T2 Cruise and 4 Caldari Navy Cruise which will be swapped out as the LP's accumulate. For the last high slot go for a tractor beam for loot and ease of salvage later. Add a -3% CPU for launchers implant and 3 CCC's and you are good to go. This setup will do any mission without having to warp out as long as you time the rats in the right order. I may try switching out 2 CCC for a bay loading accelerator/em hardener/CCC just to get the dps even higher but I haven't decided yet.
RangerXT Caldari KR0M The Red Skull	Posted - 2007.08.18 00:58:00 - [18] here's a quick pick of my budget CNR that was retired from mission running....... ubercnr I swap the hardeners depending on what needs doing....
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.08.18 01:45:00 - [19] Originally by: RangerXT here's a quick pick of my budget CNR I think we have a misunderstanding about what "budget" means Ok, want a REAL "budget" CNR fit ? Go passive shield tank. 3 purger rigs, 2 BCU, 3 SPR, 3 LSE, 3 active hardners (should go ok with decent cap skills), whatever weapons you can fit (preferably all siege, but depends on fiting skills). The entire fit should be negligible in cost compared to the CNR. Sure, nowhere near the performance of an active faction fit, but compared to a T2 XL+amp shieldtank, roughly the same but with less capacitor issues (so, it "perma-runs" constantly), slightly easier to fit (CPU-wise anyway) and with a better buffer in case things don't go as well as you hoped for. Just don't expect to complete all L4 missions without problems in one go. Of course, this is pretty much a dead end, and throwing more money at it won't increase the tanking level. You HAVE to get an active tank setup for that. _ Complaint vs whine \| Char creation guide \| Stacknerfs explained
Polly Prissypantz	Posted - 2007.09.23 13:48:00 - [20] Quote: Oh god don't listen to these people and their Super Pricey Faction XL shield booster opinions. If you fit your ship correctly you won't ever need it. Go for the budget Caldari Navy X-Large shield booster. The benefits of getting this one is you probably have enough LP for it anyways so you're only out the tags and price. I usually go for 4 T2 specific hardeners and Shield boost amplifier 2 for the last slot. The lows should be 3 Caldari Navy BCS (easy to buy or grind) for their lessened CPU need and 2 PDS2's. I have a mix of 3 T2 Cruise and 4 Caldari Navy Cruise which will be swapped out as the LP's accumulate. For the last high slot go for a tractor beam for loot and ease of salvage later. Add a -3% CPU for launchers implant and 3 CCC's and you are good to go. Sure, if you're going to fit cap rigs, then a CN XL Booster will do the job since you've got the spare cap regen to keep running. But there's some of us out there who own more than just our CNR and tend to move around a lot. It's nice being able to pack the gear up and move it in a freighter as opposed to having to move (or leave behind) every rigged ship. So yeah, if you're fitting rigs, by all means, fit a cheaper booster. But for non-rigged setups, CN booster, while nice, won't cut it on the harder missions.
Pantheon Lea Farmer Boyz	Posted - 2007.09.24 04:47:00 - [21] Originally by: Leandro Salazar Now I am used to people fitting their ships with bits and pieces of modules, like fraction launchers, but what the heck is fanction gear? There is no 'n' in turret There is no 'r' in faction There is no 'a' in Scorpion There is no 'e' in Caldari There is no makeup in rogue drones lol Pantheon Lea
DJ Posit	Posted - 2007.09.24 09:07:00 - [22] Originally by: Pantheon Lea Originally by: Leandro Salazar Now I am used to people fitting their ships with bits and pieces of modules, like fraction launchers, but what the heck is fanction gear? There is no 'n' in turret There is no 'r' in faction There is no 'a' in Scorpion There is no 'e' in Caldari There is no makeup in rogue drones lol LOL self-pwned.
Hayward Cyprus Caldari Thundercats RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.24 10:49:00 - [23] Edited by: Hayward Cyprus on 24/09/2007 10:50:35 Originally by: DJ Posit Originally by: Pantheon Lea Originally by: Leandro Salazar Now I am used to people fitting their ships with bits and pieces of modules, like fraction launchers, but what the heck is fanction gear? There is no 'n' in turret There is no 'r' in faction There is no 'a' in Scorpion There is no 'e' in Caldari There is no makeup in rogue drones lol LOL self-pwned. Actually you have self-self pwnd yourself, just like the poster before you, read again and comprehend :-)
Red Rumurder 5punkorp Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.09.24 13:51:00 - [24] I fly rly super uber cnr that in all honesty takes all the fun out of missions and substitutes it with fun by seeing the wallet grow faster. the way i went about fitting my cnr is like this. took me a while to do and with skills no lvl 4 is out of reach and all missions are over in under 40 minutes. take the same exact setup on your raven now and add the 7th launcher, use those tags you been saving and get yourself the CN shield booster and amp. By this time you should have already had a DG or CN hardner set. Then slowly but surely swap out the BCS II for CN BCS. Then work on the CN Cruise Launchers. Once those are done your on easy street. Then when your wallet gets huge get a Pith X-Type XL Booster. Rly with a little knowledge and paying attention the Pith booster is not needed. Once done your set up should be somewhat like this: Highs: 7x Caladari Navy Cruise Launchers Mid: CN XL Shield Booster, CN Shield Amp, 4 DG/CN Hardners or 3 CN/DG Hardners and Dark Blood Cap Recharger Low: 3x CN BCS 2x AN PDS Any question or flame mail please send to in game client
The'Chosen	Posted - 2007.09.24 17:20:00 - [25] Personally, I'd go for the Gist XL booster first then a CNR. I'd rather have a Gist booster on a vanilla raven over a CNR without the booster any day.
Slayton Ford Uninvited Guests	Posted - 2007.09.24 21:40:00 - [26] Originally by: The'Chosen Personally, I'd go for the Gist XL booster first then a CNR. I'd rather have a Gist booster on a vanilla raven over a CNR without the booster any day. With the changes to missions (ie, triggered spawns, delayed spawns on warp in), there is no reason to get a Gist before a CNR, especially when Gist cost 2-4x the price of a CNR. A CNR w/ Arb launchers, T2 Hardners, and Caldari Navy BCUs/XL Booster/Shield Amp can handle almost every missions out there. The only only one it will have issue is a full room pop of Recon 1/3, AE 4 Bonus Room, and possibly EA 3/5. The config I listed would cost you a max of 1B isk and do more for your mission running then a Regular Raven w/ t2 fittings and a Gist booster. --------------- This sig has been censored in fear of recieving the ban hammer...
Zo5o	Posted - 2007.09.24 21:57:00 - [27] Heh, when I posted about buying faction XL booster before CNR, I had forgotten how much faction equipment prices had risen since the static complex nerf. At this point I agree with getting the CNR first.
Asmosis	Posted - 2007.09.25 11:59:00 - [28] Originally by: Slayton Ford Originally by: The'Chosen Personally, I'd go for the Gist XL booster first then a CNR. I'd rather have a Gist booster on a vanilla raven over a CNR without the booster any day. With the changes to missions (ie, triggered spawns, delayed spawns on warp in), there is no reason to get a Gist before a CNR, especially when Gist cost 2-4x the price of a CNR. A CNR w/ Arb launchers, T2 Hardners, and Caldari Navy BCUs/XL Booster/Shield Amp can handle almost every missions out there. The only only one it will have issue is a full room pop of Recon 1/3, AE 4 Bonus Room, and possibly EA 3/5. The config I listed would cost you a max of 1B isk and do more for your mission running then a Regular Raven w/ t2 fittings and a Gist booster. Recon 1/3 and 2/3 can be completed in a shuttle. Can't kill what you can't hit. Recon 1/3 L3 is harder than the L4 one since smaller ships hit you faster/easier. EA 3/5 is fine so long as you dont hit the triggers. EA 5/5 can very likely break your tank though. I would support the XL booster first for a couple of the missions, but most dont need it. More gank also reduces damage and CNR is a lot less than 1bil now.
Slayton Ford Uninvited Guests	Posted - 2007.09.25 17:32:00 - [29] Originally by: Asmosis Originally by: Slayton Ford Originally by: The'Chosen Personally, I'd go for the Gist XL booster first then a CNR. I'd rather have a Gist booster on a vanilla raven over a CNR without the booster any day. With the changes to missions (ie, triggered spawns, delayed spawns on warp in), there is no reason to get a Gist before a CNR, especially when Gist cost 2-4x the price of a CNR. A CNR w/ Arb launchers, T2 Hardners, and Caldari Navy BCUs/XL Booster/Shield Amp can handle almost every missions out there. The only only one it will have issue is a full room pop of Recon 1/3, AE 4 Bonus Room, and possibly EA 3/5. The config I listed would cost you a max of 1B isk and do more for your mission running then a Regular Raven w/ t2 fittings and a Gist booster. Recon 1/3 and 2/3 can be completed in a shuttle. Can't kill what you can't hit. Recon 1/3 L3 is harder than the L4 one since smaller ships hit you faster/easier. EA 3/5 is fine so long as you dont hit the triggers. EA 5/5 can very likely break your tank though. I would support the XL booster first for a couple of the missions, but most dont need it. More gank also reduces damage and CNR is a lot less than 1bil now. Luckily I havnt gotten the EA series (I hate hosing state factions) so I don't know that much about it. the full pop in Recon 1/3 is just a good tank test. Unlike the AE4 bonus room though (where the thermal cruise will break a tank), a Drake running full tank (220sec recharge) w/ 90+ kin resist can tank recon 1/3 full spawn. As far as shield booster goes vs CNR goes, a Caldari Navy XL (which are about 100m now and dropping) or a Domination XL (down to 60-70m) should be gotten before a CNR. Disregard T2 XL boosters as those have a 5sec activation vs 4sec on faction; that means there 20% less effective. --------------- This sig has been censored in fear of recieving the ban hammer...
Qui Shon	Posted - 2007.09.25 18:13:00 - [30] Edited by: Qui Shon on 25/09/2007 18:13:11 Originally by: Slayton Ford the full pop in Recon 1/3 is just a good tank test. Not anymore it isn't. They nerfed it to oblivion with this god damned wave format crap . Waiting for all the spawns to appear is WAY too slow. What was a fun tank test is now a timesink. Before I killed everything every time, now I don't bother killing anything in that mission.
SpoonBender79 The Phoenix Rising	Posted - 2007.09.27 13:22:00 - [31] Edited by: SpoonBender79 on 27/09/2007 13:22:54 Originally by: Polly Prissypantz Edited by: Polly Prissypantz on 23/09/2007 13:49:48 7 x Cruise II (standard ammo) 1 x Large Diminishing NOS 1 x Estamel's XL Booster (Domination version has identical stats). This'll be your most expensive outlay. It's not the most efficient rep, but it's the highest rep per second. 1 x Shield Boost Amp 3 x Mission specific hardeners 1 x Magic slot (eccm/sensor booster/target painter/4th hardener - depends who you're fighting) 2 x BCS II 1 x CPU II 2 x PDS II 5 x med therm drones 5 x light therm drones If there's a level 4 you can't solo in this, well... No comment. This is OVERKILL for each and every lvl4 mission. NOS is useless, CPUII is useless (or do you lack skills?) and you spend enormous amounts of ISK on an Officer shieldbooster and only use T2 gear everywhere else??? Get a few faction bits ... they are more shiny than the T2s But overall it's probably an AFK mission run setup... too bad if you are using FoFs they don't auto-resume fire after reload ^^ My setup consists of 7 Arbalest torp launchers, Gist B-type Xlarge booster, Amp, 3 hardeners and a painter, 3 BCU's, Damage Control II and one PDS Oh BTW my setup is sufficient to run every lvl4 solo, including EA 5/5
SgtDeaux	Posted - 2007.09.27 16:09:00 - [32] Edited by: SgtDeaux on 27/09/2007 16:10:48 The XL boosters are rubbish and not needed for level 4's. I ran 4's with a dread large and a boost amp for 3 months. No issues at all. 90 percent of the setups I see here on a nightly basis are overpriced crap. Another 50% cant remain in the mission all the way thru due too not being able too perma tank.
Rakeris Brethren Empire	Posted - 2007.09.27 16:57:00 - [33] There is no reason to use a X-L booster, just get a Pith L Booster or something, I can run every level 4 with it, and it's easy to perma run, you can even fit a decent "gank" fit. As you don't need 3 CCCs and you can use 3 BCUIIs and one less hardner (replace it with a cap charger) or use a flux coil and use 2 BCUs. Your cap never drops below like 40%. You even kill stuff faster. ---------- I gave up on sigs. As all the beatings from the abusive mods are starting to hurt and leave nasty bruises.
Slayton Ford Uninvited Guests	Posted - 2007.09.28 01:57:00 - [34] MOst of the time a Large will work. But not all the time (ie AE4 Bonus Room). --------------- This sig has been censored in fear of recieving the ban hammer...
Allestin Villimar	Posted - 2007.09.28 05:52:00 - [35] Edited by: Allestin Villimar on 28/09/2007 05:51:52 So am I the only one that sees "CNR" and "budget" as an oxymoron?
Carniflex Caldari Fallout Research Fallout Project	Posted - 2007.09.28 10:06:00 - [36] If you are 'doing fine' with large booster then you are either doing missions very slow and carefully or skipping harder missions. Some missions capable of overloading XL T2 booster (it boosts more than Larges) with 3 rat specific T2 hardeners are - EA 1, EA 5, Worlds Collide second stage, Angel Vaganza bonus room. 'Overloading' means that your booster is running non stop but your total shield amount is still dropping. They are not too hard missions themselves and don't overload XL boosters on regular basis, but if your rogue drone goes and takes potshot at something improper then you get more on you than regular T2 XL tank can soak up comfortably.

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