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Syrin Wildfire Laboratrories The Crimson Federation	Posted - 2007.08.16 14:05:00 - [31] Not to mention they poored 600 bil into the NHS over the last few years and its still borked.. i dont think that an extra bil will make that much difference on a national level not with labours ineffecient managment anyhow.
ry ry StateCorp The State	Posted - 2007.08.16 14:06:00 - [32] Originally by: Red Gabba Quote: The ship left American visitors to the yard on the Clyde "shaken and shocked", according to BAE Systems, its builders. Love to know why this is.. no on-board McDonalds.
Teron D'Amun The Burning Orphans Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.08.16 14:11:00 - [33] Originally by: Rodj Blake The Royal Navy's newest warship has just completed it's first sea trial, and the results look encouraging. Clicky those ships should go along nicely with Germany's newest and most advanced submarine
Asestorian Minmatar Domination.	Posted - 2007.08.16 14:12:00 - [34] Edited by: Asestorian on 16/08/2007 14:12:24 As far as I know the UK only have two carriers in active service, with one in reserve. Edit: Whoops, didn't realise there was a second page --- ---
Micheal Dietrich Cynical Cartel	Posted - 2007.08.16 14:16:00 - [35] Originally by: Gone'Postal Either they need a smeg load of new shipyards.. or there going to be out of date before they get 20 off the production line. In WW2 America built an entire navy in a month. I'm sure other people could do it too And yes, the US is currently building a new destroyer. I don't know the exact stats on it but I can say it's about as ugly as our stealth fighters and their working on a new age propulsion system for it that's gonna make it rocket across the water like none other. That's about all I learned when they were showing a little about it in town. And the UK can get away with smaller aircraft carriers because of the harrier. Theres no need for a flight deck with VTOL jets. I know the US is also looking at something like that because it's really super expensive for us to send one super carrier out considering that it's escorted by atleast a half dozen ships. ___________________________ Never Forget, Never Forgive
Mc Gyver Gallente	Posted - 2007.08.16 14:18:00 - [36] Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Originally by: Gone'Postal Either they need a smeg load of new shipyards.. or there going to be out of date before they get 20 off the production line. In WW2 America built an entire navy in a month. I'm sure other people could do it too And yes, the US is currently building a new destroyer. I don't know the exact stats on it but I can say it's about as ugly as our stealth fighters and their working on a new age propulsion system for it that's gonna make it rocket across the water like none other. That's about all I learned when they were showing a little about it in town. And the UK can get away with smaller aircraft carriers because of the harrier. Theres no need for a flight deck with VTOL jets. I know the US is also looking at something like that because it's really super expensive for us to send one super carrier out considering that it's escorted by atleast a half dozen ships. I'd like to see our allies spend more on their defense so we can spend less :) I also think it's time Japan changes it's constitution, and starts to build up it's own military... They have the cash to do so...
Asestorian Minmatar Domination.	Posted - 2007.08.16 14:20:00 - [37] America has a lot more money to spend on the military than the UK does though. And it's also a lot bigger. We have smaller stuff because we can't afford to have uber-large stuff. But we make up for it by packing in the tech. Also I think that the USes new stealth destroyer is the one that is going to use the Railguns if I'm not mistaken (British invention :P (at least I think it is)). Also, submarine guy.. Astute Class. Military stuff is awesome. --- ---
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2007.08.16 14:21:00 - [38] Edited by: Tarminic on 16/08/2007 14:26:08 Originally by: Teron D'Amun Originally by: Rodj Blake The Royal Navy's newest warship has just completed it's first sea trial, and the results look encouraging. Clicky those ships should go along nicely with Germany's newest and most advanced submarine While both of those are cool, nothing (except for railguns, or perhaps velociraptors) is as awesome as the mighty F-22. Now if only they didn't cost 130 million each. EDIT: Originally by: Micheal Dietrich In WW2 America built an entire navy in a month. I'm sure other people could do it too Not entirely accurate - we already had our aircraft carriers and support ships, Pearl Harbor was a devastating attack against our battleships but the balance of naval power had already shifted toward the Aircraft Carrier. Quote: And yes, the US is currently building a new destroyer. I don't know the exact stats on it but I can say it's about as ugly as our stealth fighters and their working on a new age propulsion system for it that's gonna make it rocket across the water like none other. That's about all I learned when they were showing a little about it in town. Ooooh, I heard about it too - something about it having a very low radar signature to the point of being a stealth ship of sorts. I also heard later models will be including military-grade railguns. ------------ Whiners - Unite! Tarminic - 26 Million SP in Forum Warfare.
Bob Stuart Federation Fleet	Posted - 2007.08.16 14:23:00 - [39] Originally by: Mc Gyver I found this when looking for spec's on your new carrier class. I'm not sure if all those ships are in service? Shows 4 for the UK... There's no way we (USA) have that many in service... EDIT: Just looked, we have 10 in service... So not sure what that picture is trying to That list has all the US helicopter carriers/amphibious assault ships in it, as well as the fixed-wing aircraft carriers. It probably includes ships being built and in reserve, as well as active ones. The 4 ships for the UK are the 3 Invincible class aircraft carriers, (2 active, 1 reserve), and HMS Ocean - a helicopter carrier.
Mc Gyver Gallente	Posted - 2007.08.16 14:25:00 - [40] Edited by: Mc Gyver on 16/08/2007 14:26:19 Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: Teron D'Amun Originally by: Rodj Blake The Royal Navy's newest warship has just completed it's first sea trial, and the results look encouraging. Clicky those ships should go along nicely with Germany's newest and most advanced submarine While both of those are cool, nothing (except for railguns, or perhaps velociraptors) is as awesome as the mighty F-22. Now if only they didn't cost 130 million each. I honestly think that will be the last high tech piloted military plane we make. I think it would be better for us to go more towards UAV's... Quote: America has a lot more money to spend on the military than the UK does though That won't last forever, so we need you guys to step up to the plate! LOL
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2007.08.16 14:28:00 - [41] Originally by: Mc Gyver I honestly think that will be the last high tech piloted military plane we make. I think it would be better for us to go more towards UAV's... Very true - the navy is already working on highly-intelligent, near-autonomous UAVs simply because the agility of military fighters is quickly outstripping the ability for pilots to withstand the strain it puts on their bodies. There was a really cool Popular Science article about it not too long ago... ------------ Whiners - Unite! Tarminic - 26 Million SP in Forum Warfare.
Syrin Wildfire Laboratrories The Crimson Federation	Posted - 2007.08.16 14:30:00 - [42] Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: Mc Gyver I honestly think that will be the last high tech piloted military plane we make. I think it would be better for us to go more towards UAV's... Very true - the navy is already working on highly-intelligent, near-autonomous UAVs simply because the agility of military fighters is quickly outstripping the ability for pilots to withstand the strain it puts on their bodies. There was a really cool Popular Science article about it not too long ago... A few less friendly fire incidents maybe by certain air forces pilots.
Mc Gyver Gallente	Posted - 2007.08.16 14:33:00 - [43] Originally by: Syrin Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: Mc Gyver I honestly think that will be the last high tech piloted military plane we make. I think it would be better for us to go more towards UAV's... Very true - the navy is already working on highly-intelligent, near-autonomous UAVs simply because the agility of military fighters is quickly outstripping the ability for pilots to withstand the strain it puts on their bodies. There was a really cool Popular Science article about it not too long ago... A few less friendly fire incidents maybe by certain air forces pilots. It's not really the pilots, it's the targeters on the ground... Actually, there could be more friendly fire incidents with UAV's... Joystick jockeys in a trailer somewhere not at the actual scene might make more mistakes...
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2007.08.16 14:33:00 - [44] Edited by: Tarminic on 16/08/2007 14:33:49 Originally by: Syrin Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: Mc Gyver I honestly think that will be the last high tech piloted military plane we make. I think it would be better for us to go more towards UAV's... Very true - the navy is already working on highly-intelligent, near-autonomous UAVs simply because the agility of military fighters is quickly outstripping the ability for pilots to withstand the strain it puts on their bodies. There was a really cool Popular Science article about it not too long ago... A few less friendly fire incidents maybe by certain air forces pilots. If I remember correctly, the majority of friendly fire incidents. I think you're referring to the incident during the First Gulf War - a British tank column was moving through an area the US commanders had mistakenly designated as a "killbox," where anything inside was considered hostile and open to attacks of opportunity. This was caused by miscommunication at higher levels, which means automated drones would have still followed orders to blow up anything they spotted. EDIT: Though I'm no expert, so feel free to disagree. ------------ Whiners - Unite! Tarminic - 26 Million SP in Forum Warfare.
Asestorian Minmatar Domination.	Posted - 2007.08.16 14:33:00 - [45] Edited by: Asestorian on 16/08/2007 14:33:30 Quote: Quote: America has a lot more money to spend on the military than the UK does though That won't last forever, so we need you guys to step up to the plate! LOL Yeah but we need to sort out our chav problem first :P This stuff isn't for fighting terrorists or other countries. No. It's for slaughtering chavs. What? A guy can dream --- ---
Syrin Wildfire Laboratrories The Crimson Federation	Posted - 2007.08.16 14:37:00 - [46] Originally by: Asestorian Edited by: Asestorian on 16/08/2007 14:33:30 Quote: Quote: America has a lot more money to spend on the military than the UK does though That won't last forever, so we need you guys to step up to the plate! LOL Yeah but we need to sort out our chav problem first :P This stuff isn't for fighting terrorists or other countries. No. It's for slaughtering chavs. What? A guy can dream Hmmm a CHAV cannon.. now theres an idea. Wouldnt it count as Bio warfare ?
Mc Gyver Gallente	Posted - 2007.08.16 14:43:00 - [47] Originally by: Asestorian Edited by: Asestorian on 16/08/2007 14:33:30 Quote: Quote: America has a lot more money to spend on the military than the UK does though That won't last forever, so we need you guys to step up to the plate! LOL Yeah but we need to sort out our chav problem first :P This stuff isn't for fighting terrorists or other countries. No. It's for slaughtering chavs. What? A guy can dream I think satellites with frickin laser beams would do more good for that problem... Less collateral damage as well...
Asestorian Minmatar Domination.	Posted - 2007.08.16 14:44:00 - [48] Kind of reminds me of that story where the citizens of Basra thought we had released man eating badgers into the city to kill them all. Now. Doing it with chavs would do two things. Killing the chavs, and.. Yeah just killing the chavs I guess. However I don't think the people we set them upon would be too happy about it. So it has some disadvantages. But I guess if they're all gone we'll have more money available because they aren't leeching of the welfare system.. Hmm... It's a difficult choice. --- ---
rhumbline Caldari toxicology	Posted - 2007.08.16 14:47:00 - [49] From a standing start she reached 29 knots in just 70 seconds and can come to a dead halt within 800 yards. That is bloomin amazing, considering her block coefficient. She can turn full circle within three ship lengths, hmmm, not bad for a ship of her length. She sure is a pretty ship, and its about time :)
Micheal Dietrich Cynical Cartel	Posted - 2007.08.16 14:51:00 - [50] Edited by: Micheal Dietrich on 16/08/2007 14:52:21 Originally by: Tarminic EDIT: Originally by: Micheal Dietrich In WW2 America built an entire navy in a month. I'm sure other people could do it too Not entirely accurate - we already had our aircraft carriers and support ships, Pearl Harbor was a devastating attack against our battleships but the balance of naval power had already shifted toward the Aircraft Carrier. We had a navy in the Pacific but the one I'm talking about was built specifically for getting us to normandy. It consisted of about 1000 ships but they're including everything down to each troop transport that landed on the beach. And heres a list of every carrier that the US previously and currently owns. We have more than most people think. The Truman is currently headed to Iraq to replace another one thats down there but I'm not sure what one it is. ___________________________ Never Forget, Never Forgive
rhumbline Caldari toxicology	Posted - 2007.08.16 14:53:00 - [51] Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Originally by: Tarminic EDIT: Originally by: Micheal Dietrich In WW2 America built an entire navy in a month. I'm sure other people could do it too Not entirely accurate - we already had our aircraft carriers and support ships, Pearl Harbor was a devastating attack against our battleships but the balance of naval power had already shifted toward the Aircraft Carrier. We had a navy in the Pacific but the one I'm talking about was built specifically for getting us to normandy. It consisted of about 1000 ships but they're including everything down to each troop transport that landed on the beach. And heres a list of every carrier that the US previously and currently owns. We have more than most people think Are you taliing about the liberty ships? one of the most amazing construction feats ever. building a complete ship in about 5 days. not sure if there are any still around, but there were in the 90's.
Mc Gyver Gallente	Posted - 2007.08.16 14:57:00 - [52] I tell you what. Was at an air show this past weekend, saw an F-18 SuperHornet demo. It's a cool plane but I miss the F-14 Tomcat already Looking at those older pictures, it's cool to see all those F-14's...
Belloc Slunv Amarr Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.08.16 15:38:00 - [53] Originally by: Mc Gyver I honestly think that will be the last high tech piloted military plane we make. I think it would be better for us to go more towards UAV's...[/quote Don't forget about the f-35 JSF. F-35
Micheal Dietrich Cynical Cartel	Posted - 2007.08.16 15:48:00 - [54] Originally by: rhumbline Are you taliing about the liberty ships? one of the most amazing construction feats ever. building a complete ship in about 5 days. not sure if there are any still around, but there were in the 90's. Correct. We tried this same feat back in the French-American war too I think but essentially what we came up with then was a bunch of row boats with a .22 on them. That fleet was decimated. ___________________________ Never Forget, Never Forgive
Mc Gyver Gallente	Posted - 2007.08.16 15:50:00 - [55] Originally by: Belloc Slunv Originally by: Mc Gyver I honestly think that will be the last high tech piloted military plane we make. I think it would be better for us to go more towards UAV's...[/quote Don't forget about the f-35 JSF. F-35 True, but I guess I meant the F-22 should be the last ultra expensive superiority fighter with a pilot we build for the Air Force. (Navy will not be using them) The JSF doesn't have some of the capabilities of the F-22, and it's more of a jack of all trades aircraft... It costs too much to worry about keeping pilots alive, and there is a performance barrier with a pilot inside...
Lucian Alucard Caldari Black Vice Industries	Posted - 2007.08.16 17:32:00 - [56] The sad thing about the Super Carriers is that in most theaters of Operations in the past 25 years they were out classed by the Midway Class carriers which were left overs from WW2, the reasoning is that they are unable to navigate many water ways like the Persian Gulf for instance due to their size, just turning one of those carriers around in the Gulf would cause an international incident and I am not joking in the least. As far as destroyers go I can't wait until America comes up with an answer to this, back in the late 40's you guys made the first angled flight deck carriers,we responded with the Forestal Class. Now if we could just get missle/rail gun based modern battleships.
Micheal Dietrich Cynical Cartel	Posted - 2007.08.16 17:39:00 - [57] I watched a program recently on the either the military channel or the history channel and they stated that battleships are being phased out and replaced with smaller, faster ships like missile cruisers and such. ___________________________ Never Forget, Never Forgive
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.16 17:40:00 - [58] Originally by: Locus Bey One can only hope it sinks or rapid rusts along with all the rest. Stupid waste of money imo Ah yes, because it'll be much less of a waste if it's useless, won't it? Now they've bought the damned thing, we might as well hope it works... Originally by: Gone'Postal Nice. I think they fracked up a little. In the next 10 years, as many as eight T45s could be built, mainly to defend the two large aircraft carriers that were ordered last month. & Ordered: 2000 Either they need a smeg load of new shipyards.. or there going to be out of date before they get 20 off the production line. The year 2000, not 2000 ships --------
jbob2000 Gallente KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.17 01:19:00 - [59] but...will it blend? ________________________________

GM Faolchu Game Masters	Posted - 2007.08.17 01:22:00 - [60] Hailing from the UK, I can only say this will add firepower my side of the debate in office of who would win the next cod war.


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