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therootofallevil	Posted - 2007.08.16 18:54:00 - [1] im a pretty new player here, and i like the game so far - but i think it is seriously broken in some respects. Take for example a small frigate jumps into a .4 system, tons of pirates in battleships at the gate. Ok, im cloaked for a minute.. thats cool - try warp to safe spot.... OO ista OWNED by some sissies that cant find anything better to do. Thats just bull if you ask me. Sure in 0.0 where it is a point to control the space you claim, i can see this (thats warp bubbles are for). But for some idiots to kill new palyers for chits and giggles, i think it only takes away from the game. They need to make an "oh sht" button IMO. I come from lineage 2, played there for past couple years and i love it for the hard PVP they have there, its pretty similar in that dying is something you dont want to do. 'skill points' you actually need to play the game to get, exp and at high level game play i takes hours and hours actually playing the game to get 1% to a level (you lose 4% everytime you die) there is no way to get stronger if you arent actually in game, like they have it set-up here. Now one thing i love and hate about it is they have a 'blessed scroll of escape" gets you out of the area if you are in trouble, its expensive -- and there are ways to stop someone from using it if you really want to kill them. ALL that scroll really does is make some highly overpowered character go look for a fish his own size that will actually be able to fight back. But the point is right now, the way gate camping works - it makes new players want to quit the game, and existing players want to hide in empire.... so if you ever want REAL pvp, and fights that are worthwhile its f'ing pointless to let it keep going the way it is. Give noobs and carebears an 'oh sht button" !!! make it expensive (either timewise or money, maybe you get warped 1/2 way across the galaxy, and make sure it takes you out of the fight completly in the case of a battle in a given system), and make a way to counter using it as well (but make that VERY expensive).
Ftang Ftang Gallente Racketeers	Posted - 2007.08.16 18:59:00 - [2] Edited by: Ftang Ftang on 16/08/2007 19:00:29 Nevermind. Not worth it.
A5ka	Posted - 2007.08.16 19:00:00 - [3] OMG , but then what would all the little brats do ?? i mean they cant actually be expected to fight people in all out battle , they suck, and probably bought their characters to start. you're gonna ruin all the little brats fun, LMFAO
Baaldor Caldari Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.16 19:19:00 - [4] Originally by: therootofallevil im a pretty new player here, and i like the game so far - but i think it is seriously broken in some respects. Take for example a small frigate jumps into a .4 system, tons of pirates in battleships at the gate. Ok, im cloaked for a minute.. thats cool - try warp to safe spot.... OO ista OWNED by some sissies that cant find anything better to do. Thats just bull if you ask me. Sure in 0.0 where it is a point to control the space you claim, i can see this (thats warp bubbles are for). But for some idiots to kill new palyers for chits and giggles, i think it only takes away from the game. They need to make an "oh sht" button IMO. I come from lineage 2, played there for past couple years and i love it for the hard PVP they have there, its pretty similar in that dying is something you dont want to do. 'skill points' you actually need to play the game to get, exp and at high level game play i takes hours and hours actually playing the game to get 1% to a level (you lose 4% everytime you die) there is no way to get stronger if you arent actually in game, like they have it set-up here. Now one thing i love and hate about it is they have a 'blessed scroll of escape" gets you out of the area if you are in trouble, its expensive -- and there are ways to stop someone from using it if you really want to kill them. ALL that scroll really does is make some highly overpowered character go look for a fish his own size that will actually be able to fight back. But the point is right now, the way gate camping works - it makes new players want to quit the game, and existing players want to hide in empire.... so if you ever want REAL pvp, and fights that are worthwhile its f'ing pointless to let it keep going the way it is. Give noobs and carebears an 'oh sht button" !!! make it expensive (either timewise or money, maybe you get warped 1/2 way across the galaxy, and make sure it takes you out of the fight completly in the case of a battle in a given system), and make a way to counter using it as well (but make that VERY expensive). Well, welcome to Eve. The broken mechanics you speak of has been around for a little while...since conception i believe. When I first started playing, we had maybe 3k to 6k people on during peak hours. I have not seen a huge drop in people logging in however, due to this broken mechanic...I think last night there was something like 23k and last weekend it was 33k. What I want to know is, how long have you been playing Eve? And what brouhgt you to this game? And during that time of playing..do you feel you have enough experience with in this game to make that conclusion? And you will find out quickly to avoid from comparing this game to other games. Not a real good Idea. The first thing you will hear...is getout and can I have your stuff. THE PRIVIOUS VIEWS AND STATEMENTS DO NOT REPRESENT AND OR SUPPORTED BY THE MANY VOICES IN MY HEAD.
Uxiz	Posted - 2007.08.16 19:23:00 - [5] gatecamping is just part fo the game so get used to it. remeber you have the choice to enter that 0.4 system.
Patricia Bateman	Posted - 2007.08.16 19:25:00 - [6] this is an obvious troll, only bots play lineage 2 anymore.
therootofallevil	Posted - 2007.08.16 19:33:00 - [7] actually, good, point - which is why i left L2. I played here about 6 months ago , and came back as some people had talked to then had shown me how harcore the PVP was... The same reason i ever played L2 -- the point is in the whole thing, PVP = player vs player, NOT NEW PLAYER VS BROKEN GAME MECHANICS.
Baaldor Caldari Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.16 19:42:00 - [8] Originally by: therootofallevil actually, good, point - which is why i left L2. I played here about 6 months ago , and came back as some people had talked to then had shown me how harcore the PVP was... The same reason i ever played L2 -- the point is in the whole thing, PVP = player vs player, NOT NEW PLAYER VS BROKEN GAME MECHANICS. Look guy, its not broken. Just because you do not like it does not make it broken. We all have to adapt to new and old mechanics. Everyone of has to or we don't live long. I have adapted to it. I have a a bunch o young players that has adapted to it. And we deal with it every day mind you. From 1. to 0.0. I like the gate camps in lo sec..they are much easier to get around than in 0.0! Have you ever been sucked to a bubble some 40km from the gate. cant warp, cant do squat. You have some 20 to 30 guys lock you and pound you. Its not broken...there are actual mods and skills that help you get out of those traps you know. THE PRIVIOUS VIEWS AND STATEMENTS DO NOT REPRESENT AND OR SUPPORTED BY THE MANY VOICES IN MY HEAD.
David DarkLighter Corp 1 Allstars Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.16 19:48:00 - [9] I saw someone say it befor.. And I'll say it again... This is EvE You are NOT supposed to be logging into a game of fluffy cuddly bunnies. You buy a ship , you do what you want with it. You buy skills you train them. You train a 62d skill you can either A)Log offskies for 62days or B)Play the game. _____ Gatecamps: Low sec... Some pirates quite LITERALLY CONTROL a system basically. Rancer for example is basically controlled by kleptomaniacs last time I checked? Or maybe it was katana's edge? Or was it Silent Scream.. I dont know but pirates usually dont take chances with "there property" You enter a system 10 battleships camping a gate... Did you ever think they were expecting another pirate gang to enter the system? Or perhaps you might of been a scout for a bigger corp ^^ Ya never know that they might be thinking... But then again ^^ Gate camping gets wrecks off the Wazoo ^^ And it can be fun if you do get a kill every 6 minutes ^^ Its how they play the game... buttom line. If you dont like it... stay out of heavily populated low sec systems. Or enter low sec through a system that isnt so populated? Idea? Idea? -=-=-=-=-=-=- The EM The Kinetic The Explosive The Thermal Who our life lays within our missles Thy shields which protect thee armor thus gives strength to thy hull which allows us to fight tho
therootofallevil	Posted - 2007.08.16 19:52:00 - [10] all im saying , is give a new player a reason to keep playing.. hell maybe make it an option to escape ship and have your pod insta warp out. Its just pointless to say that ganking a frigate with 5 battleships is fun, or is even on a level with 0.0 warfare. and yeah babbly your right im new... i've played 4 trial accounts here over the course of a year, but, to that i'd just say sometimes its good to look at things resh and from a new perspective. I want to enjoy beating the snot out of people just as much as the next guy... but i think PVP only gets funner and more interesting when it is 2 players or more actaully fighting each other

Zhao Li No Quarter. Vae Victis.	Posted - 2007.08.16 19:56:00 - [11] It does give a new player a reason to keep playing. Revenge.
Zhao Li No Quarter. Vae Victis.	Posted - 2007.08.16 19:56:00 - [12] It does give a new player a reason to keep playing. Revenge.
therootofallevil	Posted - 2007.08.16 19:59:00 - [13] no li, it gives players a reason to buy an account of the chinese bot farms
Ren Surkova Psilocybin and Wine	Posted - 2007.08.16 19:59:00 - [14] Edited by: Ren Surkova on 16/08/2007 20:03:00 It's not like gatecamps are unforseen acts of god, there are plenty of ways to avoid/evade them, most of which boil down to common sense. Also you're pretty quick to accuse people of buying accounts, let me guess, everyone who killed you to date probably bought their char from some nefarious game-wrecking chinaman.
therootofallevil	Posted - 2007.08.16 19:59:00 - [15] no li, it gives players a reason to buy an account of the chinese bot farms
Ren Surkova Psilocybin and Wine	Posted - 2007.08.16 19:59:00 - [16] Edited by: Ren Surkova on 16/08/2007 20:03:00 It's not like gatecamps are unforseen acts of god, there are plenty of ways to avoid/evade them, most of which boil down to common sense. Also you're pretty quick to accuse people of buying accounts, let me guess, everyone who killed you to date probably bought their char from some nefarious game-wrecking chinaman.
Gwoden Gallente	Posted - 2007.08.16 20:00:00 - [17] I'm a fellow new player too. Been playing EVE for 23 days now. All i can say is that you need to learn more about how the game MECHANICS work. :P You can't expect to jump into a gatecamp with a t1 friget. You'll clearly die immediately. The fact is you can't to running around ill equipped. Recently i made my first run into low sec space to be with my corp. Just me and my desty fully loaded with everything i own. I, of course, read how to avoid gate camps on this very forum. I equipped a warp core stabilizer t1, despite i know i need at least a t2 one to expect to survive. But meh, one core stabilizer is better than 0. After the preparations, off i went. I ran into two pirates that gave chase. Mind you i made sure to stay out of .4 sec space. But nothing was stopping them from popping me when i left .4 to get to my destination system two jumps into .2 space. So i did exactly what the thread said, and i broke away from my normal route. I hit a moon, then station, then my next gate. Sure enough i lost both of them. And of course you NEVER run auto-pilot. Don't be discourage soo quickly. It just means you have some more to learn about the game mechanics to survive. I'm now a day 24 player proudly flying his desty in low sec space. I can't wait for my first pirate encounter. Of course with a desty it will be less than favorable for me, but it'll be fun non-the-less. _______________________________________________ There is no "I can't" only "I will".
Gwoden Gallente	Posted - 2007.08.16 20:00:00 - [18] I'm a fellow new player too. Been playing EVE for 23 days now. All i can say is that you need to learn more about how the game MECHANICS work. :P You can't expect to jump into a gatecamp with a t1 friget. You'll clearly die immediately. The fact is you can't to running around ill equipped. Recently i made my first run into low sec space to be with my corp. Just me and my desty fully loaded with everything i own. I, of course, read how to avoid gate camps on this very forum. I equipped a warp core stabilizer t1, despite i know i need at least a t2 one to expect to survive. But meh, one core stabilizer is better than 0. After the preparations, off i went. I ran into two pirates that gave chase. Mind you i made sure to stay out of .4 sec space. But nothing was stopping them from popping me when i left .4 to get to my destination system two jumps into .2 space. So i did exactly what the thread said, and i broke away from my normal route. I hit a moon, then station, then my next gate. Sure enough i lost both of them. And of course you NEVER run auto-pilot. Don't be discourage soo quickly. It just means you have some more to learn about the game mechanics to survive. I'm now a day 24 player proudly flying his desty in low sec space. I can't wait for my first pirate encounter. Of course with a desty it will be less than favorable for me, but it'll be fun non-the-less. _______________________________________________ There is no "I can't" only "I will".
therootofallevil	Posted - 2007.08.16 20:11:00 - [19] Edited by: therootofallevil on 16/08/2007 20:12:23 dude, i live in 0.0 space at the moment i know... read the map - see ships killed in last hour, pod kills etc.. Dont fly autopliot blah blah. Sometimes hard to tell from that who's killing who though. BTW a stab, or even 2 of them wont ever save you from a gate camp... think about it you get 2 points , more with T2, but theres at least 4-5 ships there dont waste the low slots i just still think having an 'oh ****' button would be a good feature. and i still want to know how it is you could ever avoid some hulk battleship can target the fastest, smallest ship in the game before they can disappear.
XFinanX Amarr Syadyne Corporaton Nex Eternus	Posted - 2007.08.16 20:12:00 - [20] Edited by: XFinanX on 16/08/2007 20:12:25 here is your reason to keep playing. Empire. 0.5 to 1.0, your mostly safe. as for these lowsec gate camps. avoid the system or bring friends. Originally by: Xelas Alliance UGWidowmaker > why cant horde help us against celest ? UGWidowmaker > we are liek alias fldex > because they suck even more then we

Omarvelous Caldari Destry's Lounge	Posted - 2007.08.16 20:12:00 - [21] Edited by: Omarvelous on 16/08/2007 20:12:50 I actually find it easier to escape past gate camps in a frigate vs any other ship class. Why? Agility. Skill up on evasive maneuvering, and space ship command, you can even slap on a nano. I conduct my online gaming in high sec - low sec borders with lots of gate camps, and agility makes all the difference. A battleship is going to take a long time to target a frigate vs a larger ship class, so that agility and extra lock time really are an advantage. I got ****ed when I got gate ganked - then I adapted. Hope it works out for you too. ______________________________________________ Sup brosef!
Ren Surkova Psilocybin and Wine	Posted - 2007.08.16 20:16:00 - [22] Edited by: Ren Surkova on 16/08/2007 20:19:20 Originally by: therootofallevil and i still want to know how it is you could ever avoid some hulk battleship can target the fastest, smallest ship in the game before they can disappear. They probably bought haxxed chars from some isk farming commie
therootofallevil	Posted - 2007.08.16 20:19:00 - [23] exactly my point - give me an 'oh sh**t not that hack bought account get me out of here button'
Ard UnjiiGo Dastardly Bastards	Posted - 2007.08.16 20:25:00 - [24] Originally by: therootofallevil Edited by: therootofallevil on 16/08/2007 19:57:07 all im saying , is give a new player a reason to keep playing.. As a fellow new player I don't believe in coming into a game brand spanking new and making suggestions for "dumbing down" the game because I ran into some things I found tough to handle. I'll put the time in to see if I can adapt, learn and grow as a player to the things that are particularly challenging to me. That's my reason for playing and EVE didn't give it to me. I came here with it. I've lived in low-sec since the 1st day and in over three weeks been gate-ganked three times (twice in null sec). I've avoided many gate ganks since I began playing and keep getting better at it. There are strategies that help you with this. I respectfully encourage you to begin a new thread titled "What are the best ways to avoid gate ganks?". That more likely would help you enjoy the game better then advocating for the game to change it's mechanics because of complaints from a frustrated rookie pilot. You are new, it's going to be frustrating at times. Wishing you safe travels and a good sense of humor and perspective when they are not. "the Yarr is strong with this one" -Azirapheal
Ren Surkova Psilocybin and Wine	Posted - 2007.08.16 20:26:00 - [25] please tell me you're joking, know what sensor boosters are and only pretend to believe the chinese are responsible for any ingame shortcomings you may have
A5ka	Posted - 2007.08.16 20:34:00 - [26] hmm, sensor boosters eh? So how is it anyone can lock a still cloaked frigate that just ported in a gate though........
therootofallevil	Posted - 2007.08.16 20:36:00 - [27] yes, i think i know what a senor booster is.... read again and you'll see that i asked how it is ever possible to avoid that. It isnt, which is why i stand by my original suggestion.
Solid Wilko Finis Lumen	Posted - 2007.08.16 20:45:00 - [28] Any idiot who gets locked by a frigate in a battelship in low sec may as well cancel his account now as EVE isnt the game for him
therootofallevil	Posted - 2007.08.16 20:52:00 - [29] read the post again, its other way around. otherwise i'll hold my tounge
Merkanas Caldari Chaos Murder and Hayhem	Posted - 2007.08.16 20:58:00 - [30] Well.. there is always the quick eject.. then warp before they know what just happened. Even if there is 20 people on the gate... most are so kill hungry trying to get you targeted and get on the KM that they don't notice the pod pop out. By the time they noticed, your initiated warp. works at least 80% of the time... this due to lag of eject and people actually paying attention. anywho my thought of the month... ----- Will it ever end?!



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