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Karrade Krise	Posted - 2007.08.18 14:40:00 - [61] Many vet players creat new characters to transport very valuable mods/bpos and possibly avoid getting ganked for being a noob. I'll kill a thousand noobs on a gate if it means I have a chance of making billions off the loot. If it turns out to be a straight up noob, I might give him a hundred thousand isk or so and teach him not to go into low sec unless he can afford blah blah blah yadda yadda
Centurion1	Posted - 2007.08.18 18:38:00 - [62] Last time i checked a 10 bs gatecamp would have a hard time pwning a frig, unless its 0.0 and you get bubbled.... High agility + low lock time = yay i escape, i love busting through gatecamps in my stabber, its easy to get away you just are not good at it yet!
Neal Cassady Mutually Assured Distraction Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.08.18 21:26:00 - [63] so quit and go back to lineage m'kay?
Wind Ictiva Delta Kappa Gamma	Posted - 2007.08.19 03:44:00 - [64] never mind my foul attituded brethren here. just read this read the whole thing. finished? if you still feel this isnt the game for you... gtfo fly safe Originally by: Admiral Love Hmm creating a thread like this is perhaps a little like sitting naked with bleeding balls in a pool of piranhas. I Won't do it again - most of you guys are pretty nasty.
Dalanoria Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.08.19 16:45:00 - [65] Edited by: Dalanoria on 19/08/2007 16:45:56 we have all been through it for the most part...That why I only fly ships that can cloak... Ive been having a blast in a purifier.I took out a malediction in the middle of a gate camp with 1 volley from 180km away, poor nub went afk or didnt think my cruise would hit from 180km, eather way he was 1 shot... Play the game awhile, you'll find that gate camps arent as pwnage as they seem once you can fly a recon or cov ops...
Centari Callisto	Posted - 2007.08.20 11:15:00 - [66] You are a nub and should go and play WOW if you don't like being killed
Ogdru Jahad Amarr Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.08.20 11:24:00 - [67] as much as i dont like gate camps, to me they are not real pvp in its proper form.. but in saying that one cannot say fishing off a pier/bridge is not fishing, as both rely on passing by targets to capture/kill.. so at the end of the day everything in eve has its place. pvp is not always combat related. in the days and months b4 static complex's were nerfed. the pvp in them was racing or beating the other guy to the end game of the plex. - :
eliminator2	Posted - 2007.08.20 11:52:00 - [68] Edited by: eliminator2 on 20/08/2007 11:52:41 Originally by: therootofallevil im a pretty new player here, and i like the game so far - but i think it is seriously broken in some respects. Take for example a small frigate jumps into a .4 system, tons of pirates in battleships at the gate. Ok, im cloaked for a minute.. thats cool - try warp to safe spot.... OO ista OWNED by some sissies that cant find anything better to do. Thats just bull if you ask me. Sure in 0.0 where it is a point to control the space you claim, i can see this (thats warp bubbles are for). But for some idiots to kill new palyers for chits and giggles, i think it only takes away from the game. They need to make an "oh sht" button IMO. I come from lineage 2, played there for past couple years and i love it for the hard PVP they have there, its pretty similar in that dying is something you dont want to do. 'skill points' you actually need to play the game to get, exp and at high level game play i takes hours and hours actually playing the game to get 1% to a level (you lose 4% everytime you die) there is no way to get stronger if you arent actually in game, like they have it set-up here. Now one thing i love and hate about it is they have a 'blessed scroll of escape" gets you out of the area if you are in trouble, its expensive -- and there are ways to stop someone from using it if you really want to kill them. ALL that scroll really does is make some highly overpowered character go look for a fish his own size that will actually be able to fight back. But the point is right now, the way gate camping works - it makes new players want to quit the game, and existing players want to hide in empire.... so if you ever want REAL pvp, and fights that are worthwhile its f'ing pointless to let it keep going the way it is. Give noobs and carebears an 'oh sht button" !!! make it expensive (either timewise or money, maybe you get warped 1/2 way across the galaxy, and make sure it takes you out of the fight completly in the case of a battle in a given system), and make a way to counter using it as well (but make that VERY expensive). solution for this is not go to low sec bit simple
Doctor Serious	Posted - 2007.08.20 12:17:00 - [69] Originally by: therootofallevil im a pretty new player here, and i like the game so far - but i think it is seriously broken in some respects. Take for example a small frigate jumps into a .4 system, tons of pirates in battleships at the gate. Ok, im cloaked for a minute.. thats cool - try warp to safe spot.... OO ista OWNED by some sissies that cant find anything better to do. Thats just bull if you ask me. Sure in 0.0 where it is a point to control the space you claim, i can see this (thats warp bubbles are for). But for some idiots to kill new palyers for chits and giggles, i think it only takes away from the game. They need to make an "oh sht" button IMO. I stopped reading right about there. You need to learn a little more about the game before you come to your conclusions. Quite frankly, most frigates flown by pilots with average skill should be able to warp out of a camp in losec. There's no "pwn-button" way to detain you like a dictor would in 0sec, and frigates are quite maneuverable and fast. You'll always have killmail ***s who will kill you for the mail, and you'll always have people who want to force a fight where it's legal to do so. You should never have to complain about this crap, quite frankly, because you can avoid it simply by not jumping into any gate camps. But even if you insist on jumping into gate camps, there are numerous ways to increase your survivability, if you would only invest the time and effort to concieve of them (or ask for help).
Doctor Serious	Posted - 2007.08.20 12:38:00 - [70] Edited by: Doctor Serious on 20/08/2007 12:39:10 Originally by: Gwoden I'm a fellow new player too. Been playing EVE for 23 days now. All i can say is that you need to learn more about how the game MECHANICS work. :P You can't expect to jump into a gatecamp with a t1 friget. You'll clearly die immediately. The fact is you can't to running around ill equipped. geez. maybe ive gotten too used to evasive maneuvering and spaceship command 5. or maybe i just never fly the less maneuverable frigates. ive warped out of tons of camps in frigates. this doesnt strike me as that big a problem. in combat its probably best not to start with the attitude that "you'll clearly die immediately." but also, you should know how to do a few things, such as: determine where you face threats, prepare accordingly, know when to fight and when to flee, fit your ship properly, etc. i don't see why this guy is even taking a frigate into losec to begin with. most of the time you can't start a fight without getting popped, unless you find someone who is literally too stupid to stop his mining or ratting until things clear up (or you find someone who will probably pwn you, whichever happens first). there's little use for the standard frigate in losec and its probably best to learn the hard way, as soon as possible, as often as needed. but primarily, if you don't want to fight, you should devise a fit for traveling and work out a way to avoid being detained in a camp. it's not that hard in a maneuverable frigate to evade a point or two and be into warp before the entire group has you locked. any point that comes with a web only helps you in that scenario, too. edit: also, it's a damn frigate. they're worth half a mil fully fitted, and they're even insurable. do we really need major changes to the game because people are slow to realize these facts? i wipe my ass with 500k isk bills ffs.

Terrifiedkiller Gallente Copperhead Inc. Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.08.20 15:08:00 - [71] Originally by: therootofallevil Edited by: therootofallevil on 16/08/2007 19:40:48 actually, good, point - which is why i left L2. I played here about 6 months ago , and came back as some people had talked to then had shown me how harcore the PVP was... The same reason i ever played L2 -- the point is in the whole thing, PVP = player vs player, NOT NEW PLAYER VS BROKEN GAME MECHANICS. EMP and NOS was around since insception too -- look at what happened to them. all im saying is let people actually play the game, its bad enough that you have people that pay for accounts and never play just to farm up their skill points. In my opinon and from what i saw happen to L2, you are just asking to have the game be taken over by hacks who buy accounts news flash you **en **** its not broken game mechanics its working as is dont want to get ganked thens tay in .5 and above ffs this is a pvp game like lineage 2 so get used to it lol :P
Terrifiedkiller Gallente Copperhead Inc. Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.08.20 15:09:00 - [72] and another thing you most likely lack the intelligence to understand this but frigates are very fragile ships in fact one of the most fragile in game. Just think of them as mages in l2 lol
MKB Industries Gallente Mercenaries 4 Hire	Posted - 2007.08.21 07:07:00 - [73] I have played AO, EQ, WoW, DAoC and many other MO's. In WoW would you play a alliance toon and enter Horde lands and complain about dieing? No. Would you enter PvP areas and cry? No. It is the same here. You know your hitting it you got the same warning I did a few months back when I started. If you dont wanna die to gate campers dont risk going into places that have warnings. This reminds me of the peps in EQ who used to run thrue the Arenas as a joke just to get snared or rooted and owned... Then to cry about it. Beware of Dog... OMG the dog bite me I am gunna sue.... Gate camping didnt make me want to quit. In fact I have yet to fall to a gate camp. I love going thrue them sometimes I do it a second time to tick people off. What ship do you fly and where do you hang out? I will pay some to come sucide ya in a .8 so you have something better to complain about.
Luthien Ze Silent Scream	Posted - 2007.08.21 08:36:00 - [74] Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel I'd like to know how he even managed to get targeted. I've been running low-sec gatecamps for the last few months. Unless they have a Commandship with three sensorboosters they don't even have a chance of locking my frigate (with anything that can tank the sentry guns) before I'm out of there. Jump away, or just MWD/AB back to the gate. In a cruiser it's a completely different matter, but in a frigate!?! Dont think you can align faster than a 4300mm scan res ares (and yes, I can tank the sentries all day long). I even bet i can catch you in my ishkur.
Kali Ananda Minmatar Prophets Of a Damned Universe	Posted - 2007.08.21 14:23:00 - [75] Low sec gate camps can easily been run. Shuttles warp before they fully uncloak, so they will always get away. Interceptors, and the fast frigate versions of them will warp very, very fast, and usually get away. Fly those in low sec, and you'll be fine. Or train up for covert ops ships.... So many solutions to the "unbalance" the original poster speaks of. Nothing is broken. If you walk alone in the streets of a city at night, its wise to know how to avoid the bad characters. Life just isn't all roses. Kali Ananda POD-U
Zimjin Caldari	Posted - 2007.08.21 14:41:00 - [76] Originally by: VooDoo SpYD3R You think someone poping you while you enter a system makes new players want to quit lol. Wait until your full of gear, in a Freighter and get it all ganked. That's how all PvP should be: you're in an unescorted freighter in a hostile area, being careless, and you lose it. That's one facet of proper PvP right there. Gate camping is straight up lame. It's not "PvP". It's shooting fish in a barrel. EVE needs more ways to PvP and fewer ways for lamers to pretend that they are PvPers. Cause if you're a gate camper, then sorry, you are not a PvP player, you're more like a rural kid who thinks he's gangster because he listens to rap on the radio while shucking corn in his granddad's barn. And yeah, "it's hard" to find targets at 0.0 asteroid belts, etc. QQ more. Work on ways to fix that problem rather than ways to make it worse with gatecamping.
Morgul Ze Silent Scream	Posted - 2007.08.21 15:13:00 - [77] So me locking another player, activating my modules and killing him is not player vs. player how?
Dekkr The Dark Side of the Moon	Posted - 2007.08.21 16:06:00 - [78] Flame K I'm done. ------------ Dekkr: "Man they are just begging for a Yarr. Can we yarr please?" ============
Kali Ananda Minmatar Prophets Of a Damned Universe	Posted - 2007.08.21 16:11:00 - [79] Originally by: Zimjin Edited by: Zimjin on 21/08/2007 14:43:25 Gate camping is straight up lame. It's not "PvP". It's shooting fish in a barrel. EVE needs more ways to PvP and fewer ways for lamers to pretend that they are PvPers. Cause if you're a gate camper, then sorry, you are not a PvP player, you're more like a rural kid who thinks he's gangster because he listens to rap on the radio while shucking corn in his granddad's barn. And yeah, "it's hard" to find targets at 0.0 asteroid belts, etc. QQ more. Work on ways to fix that problem rather than ways to make it worse with gatecamping. Boo hoo! Gatecamping can be very fun, profitable way to hang out with your buds. Just because you come in alone and get killed doesn't mean that a 15 man fleet won't come through next, which is a very fine way for things to go as well. PVP comes in all flavors. You take a risk coming to a gate in low sec and 0.0, get over it. Kali Ananda POD-U
Doctor Serious	Posted - 2007.08.21 17:30:00 - [80] Originally by: Kali Ananda PVP comes in all flavors. You take a risk coming to a gate in low sec and 0.0, get over it. qft. plus undocking, sneezing, wiping your ass, etc. once you leave the playground, you're no longer on the playground anymore. it's less "happy happy joy joy" and more "serious business" and if this bothers you, then you have the option to never leave your safe playground. people choose to leave the crib because they are greedy by nature - we all are. that's the clever thing about eve. you can stay nice and safe most of the time, but there is plenty there to entice you to grow beyond that. if you really want to make money in this game, become a paranoid freak with multiple accounts (if you absolutely cannot make friends) or make some friends and move out of the crib and learn to walk. if you can be satisfied with the slow grind of hisec i don't know what would possibly have brought you to eve from any other game.

0o0Preatorian0o0 mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.08.21 17:39:00 - [81] cry baby go home... Stay in highsec if you dont want to die. That is why it is low-security. Thats why the rats are worth more, that is why the minerals are better. Go complain in jita about the lag.
Agent Li	Posted - 2007.08.21 18:33:00 - [82] Originally by: therootofallevil But the point is right now, the way gate camping works - it makes new players want to quit the game, and existing players want to hide in empire.... No it doesn't. If you want to go somewhere in Eve, you take your friends with you - or you assume the risk. There are some places that have been camped heavily enough that it wouldn't matter if you came through in a battleship with high skills - the point here is that you're not supposed to do this alone. Gate camping alone doesn't work - so why should flying through dangerous gates work when you're alone? Join a corp and get some friends. That's the difference in Eve. ------------------ "Don't be afraid to take advantage of your enemy's weaknesses. Becasuse winning is everything after all."
Zimjin Caldari	Posted - 2007.08.21 19:00:00 - [83] Originally by: Doctor Serious qft. plus undocking, sneezing, wiping your ass, etc. once you leave the playground, you're no longer on the playground anymore. it's less "happy happy joy joy" and more "serious business" and if this bothers you, then you have the option to never leave your safe playground. Isn't that exactly what gate campers are? They're little kids in a safe playground. They're not concerned about anyone warping in on them because they know where people will appear and Local tells them if anyone is coming in from another direction. That's pre-school PvP for people who like the safety of their mommy's arms. If we want real PvP, we need ways to create more PvP around asteroids and out in the open and fewer reasons for the toddlers to roast marshmellows at a gate. They're always boo-hooing over the possibility of someone taking away their gate camp because they'd need to use other, more dangerous methods to attempt PvP, where it's not always them getting to pick the starting conditions of the fight. Those are the people who came to EVE because the world PvP in WOW was actually too intense for them. "What do you mean I can't tell exactly when and where my next target will be?! I'm going to EVE so I can gatecamp!" Pfft. PvPers like that are practically carebears themselves.
heheheh Singularity. Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.08.21 19:11:00 - [84] hahaha Just another (crying) Victim !! Seriously, if you get caught in a lowsec gatecamp in a frig then u need to learn how to fit your ship for travel for a start. Bubbles are not allowed in low sec.
Harleydavid Hells Angels Inc.	Posted - 2007.08.21 20:20:00 - [85] God, your comments make me enjoy ganking in low sec even more! Keep it up, I'm loving it! YAAAARRRR!!!!! Hells Angels Inc (a pirate corp) is open for recruitment. Contact Hellsknights or join Public channel Hells Angels Inc
Gentle Glide Silent Scream	Posted - 2007.08.21 20:37:00 - [86] Originally by: David DarkLighter I saw someone say it befor.. And I'll say it again... This is EvE You are NOT supposed to be logging into a game of fluffy cuddly bunnies. You buy a ship , you do what you want with it. You buy skills you train them. You train a 62d skill you can either A)Log offskies for 62days or B)Play the game. _____ Gatecamps: Low sec... Some pirates quite LITERALLY CONTROL a system basically. Rancer for example is basically controlled by kleptomaniacs last time I checked? Or maybe it was katana's edge? Or was it Silent Scream.. I dont know but pirates usually dont take chances with "there property" You enter a system 10 battleships camping a gate... Did you ever think they were expecting another pirate gang to enter the system? Or perhaps you might of been a scout for a bigger corp ^^ Ya never know that they might be thinking... But then again ^^ Gate camping gets wrecks off the Wazoo ^^ And it can be fun if you do get a kill every 6 minutes ^^ Its how they play the game... buttom line. If you dont like it... stay out of heavily populated low sec systems. Or enter low sec through a system that isnt so populated? Idea? Idea? Rancer has been renamed Cookieland and is controled by Silent Scream ------------------------------------------- Originally by: CCP t20 So Let us play and enjoy the game you and I both love on the same level. Originally by: SATAN He is now scrambled, and making high pitched
Zimjin Caldari	Posted - 2007.08.22 05:11:00 - [87] Originally by: heheheh hahaha Just another (crying) Victim !! It's understandable that you can only camp gates for kills but don't let that discourage you from the game. EVE is a very complex game and not everyone can advance to real PvP right away. But with persistance, and by reading a few guides, you can probably learn to play and actually be good enough to risk combat away from a gate. Good luck! Remember, don't get discouraged! Stop telling yourself you can't do it and get out there and give it a shot. Who knows? You might surprise yourself. Everyone has to start somewhere and gate camping and can flipping are a step towards real PvP. Don't let it get you down that you have to start at the bottom and work your way up. We're here to help.
Captian Internet	Posted - 2007.08.22 06:36:00 - [88] Originally by: Zimjin Edited by: Zimjin on 21/08/2007 14:43:25 Originally by: VooDoo SpYD3R You think someone poping you while you enter a system makes new players want to quit lol. Wait until your full of gear, in a Freighter and get it all ganked. That's proper PvP, though: you're in an unescorted freighter in a hostile area, being careless, and you lose it. I don't see anyone here complaining about that kind of PvP. Gate camping is straight up lame. It's not "PvP". It's shooting fish in a barrel. EVE needs more ways to PvP and fewer ways for lamers to pretend that they are PvPers. Cause if you're a gate camper, then sorry, you are not a PvP player, you're more like a rural kid who thinks he's gangster because he listens to rap on the radio while shucking corn in his granddad's barn. And yeah, "it's hard" to find targets at 0.0 asteroid belts, etc. QQ more. Work on ways to fix that problem rather than ways to make it worse with gatecamping. A simple list of why gate camping happens 1.Local dosen't help until its too late 2.Freighters don't enter asteroid belts 3.Local 4.Local 5.Local 6.A hauler carrying the holy grail will not enter an asteroid belt. Think of Gate camping as "hauler ratting" and haulers are the officer spawns Also as long as the targets are sentinent then it is PvP. All PvP ≠ I challenge you to a duel rifters at dawn!
Drasked North Face Force	Posted - 2007.08.22 06:48:00 - [89] Originally by: therootofallevil im a pretty new player here, and i like the game so far - but i think it is seriously broken in some respects. Take for example a small frigate jumps into a .4 system, tons of pirates in battleships at the gate. Ok, im cloaked for a minute.. thats cool - try warp to safe spot.... OO ista OWNED by some sissies that cant find anything better to do. Thats just bull if you ask me. Sure in 0.0 where it is a point to control the space you claim, i can see this (thats warp bubbles are for). But for some idiots to kill new palyers for chits and giggles, i think it only takes away from the game. They need to make an "oh sht" button IMO. I come from lineage 2, played there for past couple years and i love it for the hard PVP they have there, its pretty similar in that dying is something you dont want to do. 'skill points' you actually need to play the game to get, exp and at high level game play i takes hours and hours actually playing the game to get 1% to a level (you lose 4% everytime you die) there is no way to get stronger if you arent actually in game, like they have it set-up here. Now one thing i love and hate about it is they have a 'blessed scroll of escape" gets you out of the area if you are in trouble, its expensive -- and there are ways to stop someone from using it if you really want to kill them. ALL that scroll really does is make some highly overpowered character go look for a fish his own size that will actually be able to fight back. But the point is right now, the way gate camping works - it makes new players want to quit the game, and existing players want to hide in empire.... so if you ever want REAL pvp, and fights that are worthwhile its f'ing pointless to let it keep going the way it is. Give noobs and carebears an 'oh sht button" !!! make it expensive (either timewise or money, maybe you get warped 1/2 way across the galaxy, and make sure it takes you out of the fight completly in the case of a battle in a given system), and make a way to counter using it as well (but make that VERY expensive). You obviously havent played L2 long or hard enough, that game revolves around ganking so much more then eve. Get together 10 people, all dps dealers just go red by instakilling everyone that doesnt flag, whipe out the whole dungeon, and by the time the help is there all those people are white again and the stupid flag game starts cause everyone is too scared to go red infront of a blob. What you basicly did is walk around the corner with your l2 char and find yourself standing in the middle of a blob of perma reds. you die. not much diffrent then eve, tho most people in frigs can get away easely from everything in low-sec but in l2 there is no way to escape, stunshot, couple of nukes, dead. If on your server you never had any dungeon camped by some strong clan then you havent played L2.
Malcanis High4Life Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.22 12:00:00 - [90] Originally by: therootofallevil Edited by: therootofallevil on 16/08/2007 19:57:07 all im saying , is give a new player a reason to keep playing.. hell maybe make it an option to escape ship and have your pod insta warp out. Every single player in the game older than you (most of them) found their reason. If you know you're gonna die, choose a celestial and keep spamming the warp button. Your pod will almost always escape unless you're in a bubble or someone gets lucky with a smartbomb. 4 trial accounts? Try making one account and sticking with it. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.



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