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Kil'Roy
Minmatar
The Rat Patrol
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Posted - 2007.08.17 07:48:00 -
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In response to this post by Chronotis, I'd like to put forth this idea.
Null Sec low end ore minning boost:
In spirit to what was suggested, it should involve a process that has been outlawed by the major Empires of Eve. Due to their natural desire to get resouces at most any cost, it should be dangerous, not only to your ship, but all ships nearby. Which would be a good reason to outlaw it in empire.
The concept comes from Deep Core minning, which has a chance of a damaging explosion as a result, but maybe call it "Quantum" Minning or something due to the nature of trying to draw the ore out of the asteroid at an extreme rate that can cause a violent explosion in many cases. The chance of explosion and the power of it increases with the relative value of the ore being mined. So if you are minning Veldspar, the chance is far lower than if you are minning Scordite. Maybe make so that if you are minning Omber or Kernite, the risk is so great that it really isn't worth it. As well, due to the risk, the "Quantum" minning lasers haven't been designed to mine any of the higher end ores. The designers didn't want any "Customer complaints" in the form of a cruise missile or similar.
It could be considered that these Minning Lasers can only be used on Tech II Barges but, maybe make it so you are encouraged to use them on Tech II barges by the amount of damage the explosions do. Also, the explosions should have an area effect similar to bombs, which would be hard to avoid in a barge that can mine at a 15km distance, and could affect gang mates. You shouldn't blob, even as miners. 
I would think that these Lasers could increase the rate of which ore is mined by decreasing the cycle time and not the amount mined. Maybe cut the cycle time by 1/2 or even 1/3. So a Quantum Strip Minner II would have a cycle time between maybe 60 to 90 seconds?
These ideas are just off the top of my head, so any input is welcome.
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Verkieg
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Posted - 2007.08.17 12:36:00 -
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Edited by: Verkieg on 17/08/2007 12:37:02
We'll see fiercely tanked Hulks harvesting the belts everywhere.  I have one and I'm not afraid of using it.
Bring it on!
I like it, and I sign it.
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Tuto Strike
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Posted - 2007.08.17 13:25:00 -
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When I read that dev post I had an idea that we could anchor bombs around a roid.
Those would have to be positioned carefully in a triangle around the roid and within a certain range. After starting the warm up process (5 min) those would blow the asteroid in the triangle (if done right) and do major damage to anything closer than 30 km. The leftovers would be a lootable structure with ore. Unfortunately the high end ore is too sensitive and most of the crystals would be destroyed in the process. Astrogeological skill could have a major impact on the yield too.
Those bombs could be used to attack also ships in siege mode (if you can keep that ship in their middle) or disable a gate for 15 minutes. Major security status loss included if the systems were 0.1 - 0.5. Bombs would also be illegal in all the Empire and confiscated on sight also production of those should be illegal.
I think many would like to see this happen and it would give an extra kick to mining.
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/me wants blast mining!
/me wants blast mining!
/me wants blast mining!
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.08.17 13:30:00 -
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While I am not toally convinced of the need to another gift to 0.0, the idea is beautifull and has a good role plaing value too.
Maybe an added idea can be that the process has an higher wastage factor so it deplete the asteroid faster, that mean that a 10.000 units asteroid will only give 5.000 units if mined with this faster process (it will have little or no effect on the huge 0.0 asteroids, but it give at least a limited game drawback and and added reason why it is proibited in the empires).
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Jaketh Ivanes
Amarr
Do Or Die And Live Or Try
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Posted - 2007.08.17 14:19:00 -
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I don't see any reason why 0.0 should get any boost to low end mining, because of this balance. You can mine as well as any empire player can AND you get the use of the cap mining ship. Enough giving to be honest.
That said, the idea could be fun and is interesting.
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Reggie Stoneloader
Teikoku Trade Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.08.17 14:47:00 -
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I think this should be possible in low-sec, as well, so that living there becomes at least a little bit more profitable for non-mission-runners.
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Yamichi Wiggin
Caldari
Rising Knights
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.17 15:36:00 -
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This idea is very silly.
And sign me up for at least 6 of these quantum laser thingies. I'll fit out my hulks and go to town :-)
Side note: if they pull as much cap as a T2 strip with a crystal, a 60-second cycle may not be a good idea as the cap may drain too quickly. or perhaps that's a planned drawback that would actually make sense. if so- I'm down with that.
/signed
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Tuto Strike
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Posted - 2007.08.17 21:13:00 -
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Edited by: Tuto Strike on 17/08/2007 21:14:07
Pls ignore, wrong thread.
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Kil'Roy
Minmatar
The Rat Patrol
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Posted - 2007.08.18 02:07:00 -
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Good ideas...
I hadn't thought of the Cap penality, but it could be interesting if using these lasers ended up using more cap. I wouldn't say twice as much for half the cycle time, but maybe you are just able to maintain them on a Covetor with nothing left over for a tank, and on a Hulk you have a reduced tank capability.This would mean that you should have a gang in order to be effective using them.
I'm thinking that you should only be able to use them in Null Sec, since Low Sec is still part of Empire, but I wouldn't rule it out. My orginal intention is that you could only use them where you could deploy bombs now, since they result in an area effect explosion.
The wastage idea is interesting, but with all this together most roids might pop in only a few cycles using these lasers, which may not be a real bad thing.
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Reggie Stoneloader
Teikoku Trade Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.08.18 02:47:00 -
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That's a neat angle. How about if it give a 100% increase in yield over a Hulk (in terms of ore per hour) but has a 600% increase in ore depletion? So instead of getting, for instance, 600k cubic meters out of a belt in the space of six hours, you get 200k cubes, but you get it in one hour, and then you have to go to a new belt.
That would make 0.0 mining more profitable, but would require it to become more mobile, using more of the solar systems out there. Let's face it, there are belts in 0.0 that haven't seen a mining laser in all of EvE history. Turbo-strip mining, supported by jump-capable ORE capital ships, would be far more profitable than the current system, if the miners are willing to travel farther out to get the work done.
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Kil'Roy
Minmatar
The Rat Patrol
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Posted - 2007.08.18 04:28:00 -
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 Originally by: Reggie Stoneloader
That's a neat angle. How about if it give a 100% increase in yield over a Hulk (in terms of ore per hour) but has a 600% increase in ore depletion? So instead of getting, for instance, 600k cubic meters out of a belt in the space of six hours, you get 200k cubes, but you get it in one hour, and then you have to go to a new belt.
That would make 0.0 mining more profitable, but would require it to become more mobile, using more of the solar systems out there. Let's face it, there are belts in 0.0 that haven't seen a mining laser in all of EvE history. Turbo-strip mining, supported by jump-capable ORE capital ships, would be far more profitable than the current system, if the miners are willing to travel farther out to get the work done.
That would definately bring new meaning to the phrase "Strip Minning"
Maybe call it a Quantum Strip Miner II instead. Increases the amount minned, but wastes a serious amount in the process.
Very good idea, and maybe another good reason the Empires of Eve have outlawed it in their controlled systems. Kind of like how Hydro minning was outlawed in the recent past due to enviromental concerns.
By the way, I'm open to a new name to the module if someone can come up with a better one. I just picked one off the top of my head.
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