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L0st S0ul Caldari	Posted - 2007.08.17 11:55:00 - [1] How exactly does it work ? Is it more profitable than ore mining in a an Osprey ? ----------------------------------------------- Come on you apes, you wanna live forever?
Ancy Denaries Caldari	Posted - 2007.08.17 12:12:00 - [2] Strip Mining is simply normal ore mining but with Strip Miners instead of Mining Lasers. Strip Miners have a bigger yield and longer cycle than Mining Lasers. This does two things: 1. Increases your yield over Mining Lasers. Not only because Strip Miners have more yield, but also because all the skills needed to fly a Mining Barge (Strip Miners can only be fitted on Mining Barges) will increase your yield also. 2. The longer cycle has in effect that if you are JetCan mining, you will only have to drag ore once every third minute instead of every minute. Hope that helps.
L0st S0ul Caldari	Posted - 2007.08.17 12:16:00 - [3] so with strip mining you're not justs limited to moons then ? trying to figure out if i should continue with my osprey with miner II's or just jump into a barge ----------------------------------------------- Come on you apes, you wanna live forever?
Renmil	Posted - 2007.08.17 12:29:00 - [4] Originally by: L0st S0ul How exactly does it work ? Is it more profitable than ore mining in a an Osprey ? You take off your cloths, walk around... And go grinding ISK's off these willing Eve players. It's really that easy! No for real, if mining is your thing you should definately train up for a barge (retriever would be your first one). It's more convenient and gains more yield and cargo space. Down side is, that it takes (some) time to learn the proper skills to get a barge with t2 strippers.
Bad Sastard	Posted - 2007.08.17 13:22:00 - [5] Originally by: L0st S0ul so with strip mining you're not justs limited to moons then ? trying to figure out if i should continue with my osprey with miner II's or just jump into a barge Moons? To mine a moon you need a POS set up at a moon in 0.0. I think you are confused here. Mining lasers and strip miners do the same thing. A strip miner only fits on the ORE barges, the most common in use being the covetor. A strip miner has a much longer cycle time, but at the same time a higher yield (under most circumstances). Moon mining is a completely different situation. With moon mining you anchor a control tower at a moon (a moon that has been chosen for its mineral content via a lengthy probing and analysis process), then anchor various structures which facilitate the mining of the minerals. You then turn it on and wait, the mining array will continuously mine the moon and place the minerals in a silo. The minerals obtained from moon mining are then used to create various reactions which are used for tech 2 production.
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2007.08.17 14:06:00 - [6] Edited by: Venkul Mul on 17/08/2007 14:06:02 The mining scale of the mining yelds is approximatly this: Worst --> Best Osprey --> Retriever --> BS with T2 miners and as much enanchements as possible (Rokh is the best, maybe it is better than the Covetor) --> Covetor --> Hulk Your skills will have a serious impact on the mining laser and stripminers performance, but with the exclusion of the barge/exumer and the Caldari cruisers skill for the Osprey, they apply equally to all the ships. The larger cargohold of the barges/exumers is a factor to consider too, as if you are doing Cruiser/BS mining you need to jetcan mining, with all the added complications.
L0st S0ul Caldari	Posted - 2007.08.17 14:09:00 - [7] At present my Osprey has 1000m3 cargo and uses 3x miner II's, dumps ore into secure cans and collects with badger 7000m3 ----------------------------------------------- Come on you apes, you wanna live forever?
Ki Tarra Caldari Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2007.08.17 14:43:00 - [8] Read this guide. Basicly a strip miner is a over sized mining laser. You can only fit strip miners on mining barges and exhumers. The guide will out line what ships are effective for mining. Mining barges are the next logical upgrade from the Osprey. Quote: No misfortune is so bad that whining about it won't make it worse
Nobuo213	Posted - 2007.08.17 15:59:00 - [9] Originally by: Venkul Mul Edited by: Venkul Mul on 17/08/2007 14:06:02 The mining scale of the mining yelds is approximatly this: Worst --> Best Osprey --> Retriever --> BS with T2 miners and as much enanchements as possible (Rokh is the best, maybe it is better than the Covetor) --> Covetor --> Hulk Your skills will have a serious impact on the mining laser and stripminers performance, but with the exclusion of the barge/exumer and the Caldari cruisers skill for the Osprey, they apply equally to all the ships. The larger cargohold of the barges/exumers is a factor to consider too, as if you are doing Cruiser/BS mining you need to jetcan mining, with all the added complications. A covetor>BS.
Stefx Gallente Moons of Pluto	Posted - 2007.08.17 20:06:00 - [10] Edited by: Stefx on 17/08/2007 20:08:28 Originally by: L0st S0ul At present my Osprey has 1000m3 cargo and uses 3x miner II's, dumps ore into secure cans and collects with badger 7000m3 Just to give you a comparison, I mine in a hulk with T2 strip miners (no rigs yet), about 4500-5000m3 per 3mins cycle (cargohold is 13k m3 with T2 cargo expanders). 2nd acount character is hauling in a 38k m3 iteron V with rigs or mines along with me in a hulk. My mining Domi with T2 miners was able to keep up with a covetor with T1 Strip miners, but one of the big advantage of strip miners (only useable on barges) is their 15km range. T2 miners have less (12km I think).
Simon Jax Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.17 22:30:00 - [11] Strip Miners are (as has been mentioned) a module used on Mining Barges. Generally speaking, they are the way to go if you want to be a dedicated miner. However, if mining is more of a sideline than a profession for you then stick to Miner II's. Train up Mining V, it's worth the time, and other than you won't need to devote too much training specifically to mining. With decent skill levels, an Osprey (or Vexor) can mine at a rate on-par with a Retreiver. A battleship, such as the Rokh for Caldari, can mine at a similar rate to a Covetor. Off hand, you mentioned you were mining into GSC's. Unless you are anchoring those suckers you may as well jet-can mine. Unanchored "secure" cans are no more secure than a jet-can as anyone with a hauler can simply scoop them up, ore and all. In a way they're less secure as scooping a GSC doesn't trigger aggression (last I checked). Anchoring those cans seems like a big hassle to me, may as well jet-can mine your fill and fill those GSC's while they're in your hauler's cargohold. --- Wherever you go, there you are. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24,000 bytes - Tallan ([email protected])
Kurfi' Legimo AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.08.18 09:25:00 - [12] The strip miners will really make your mining easier, but need the skills first though..... Free beer and a cookies to first dev to mod my sig -Kurfi
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2007.08.18 17:42:00 - [13] Edited by: Venkul Mul on 18/08/2007 17:42:09 Originally by: Nobuo213 Originally by: Venkul Mul Edited by: Venkul Mul on 17/08/2007 14:06:02 The mining scale of the mining yelds is approximatly this: Worst --> Best Osprey --> Retriever --> BS with T2 miners and as much enanchements as possible (Rokh is the best, maybe it is better than the Covetor) --> Covetor --> Hulk Your skills will have a serious impact on the mining laser and stripminers performance, but with the exclusion of the barge/exumer and the Caldari cruisers skill for the Osprey, they apply equally to all the ships. The larger cargohold of the barges/exumers is a factor to consider too, as if you are doing Cruiser/BS mining you need to jetcan mining, with all the added complications. A covetor>BS. Noth when you can put 4 upgrades on a Rokh with 8 mining laser II, especially if the new upgrades start to work.
Ancy Denaries Caldari	Posted - 2007.08.18 21:57:00 - [14] How come people bother with Expanded Cargohold when you can just fit a couple of MLUs there instead and increase the yield even more? Have a buddy (or alt for that matter) do the hauling and mine into your cargo, and when your friend is around, jettison it into a can and have him/her haul it. Much more effective.
Thorke Gallente Old Timers Guild	Posted - 2007.08.19 03:31:00 - [15] Originally by: Ancy Denaries How come people bother with Expanded Cargohold when you can just fit a couple of MLUs there instead and increase the yield even more? Have a buddy (or alt for that matter) do the hauling and mine into your cargo, and when your friend is around, jettison it into a can and have him/her haul it. Much more effective. You assume we all have friends. Actually, expanded cargo holds serve the purpose of making mining a bit easier (or at least less frantic) if one is running around the house between dumps to the jetcan -- I hate coming back to find the miners stopped due to lack of cargo space (whether it is back physically, or back from manipulating my hauler).
L0st S0ul Caldari	Posted - 2007.08.20 15:49:00 - [16] Originally by: Ancy Denaries How come people bother with Expanded Cargohold when you can just fit a couple of MLUs there instead and increase the yield even more? Have a buddy (or alt for that matter) do the hauling and mine into your cargo, and when your friend is around, jettison it into a can and have him/her haul it. Much more effective. 1) I have no friends in Eve 2) I care about amount per cycle to fill GSC's 3) If and when I mine, I don't want to wait around or pay for a hauler 4) Giant secure containers can't be flipped 5) Don't have time to train an alt 6) can't afford 2nd account due to eve being expensive for what it is. Basically what I want to do is mine fast filling a number of giant cans and leave them there, return in my badger and haul it back. I'm training for mission running, exploration and some pvp so have no time for training mining or hauling. I have 1000m3 cargo in my osprey that needs emptying every 3 cycles, this so far has required minimum skills training to spare. e.g skills I have set to train ... Frigates V = 11 days Covops = ? Cloaking = ? Interdictors = ? once done i'm then moving onto Gallente Frigates right up to BS. So as you can see I have no spare time but have been looking into a quick cheap way to mine loads. ----------------------------------------------- Come on you apes, you wanna live forever?
Ancy Denaries Caldari	Posted - 2007.08.20 16:26:00 - [17] Edited by: Ancy Denaries on 20/08/2007 16:27:48 Fair enough mate, but if you keep bothering with GSCs, you can still skip those extended cargoholds since you can empty every cycle and you'll mine 10% more = more isk/hour. Extended CargoHold on your miner ship is just of use if you are : 1. Lazy as hell and don't wanna empty every cycle (I do respect this. Emptying is a bother :D) 2. Hauling the ore in your miner, which you don't, since you have a Badger.
Pang Grohl Gallente Sudo Corp	Posted - 2007.08.20 17:41:00 - [18] Originally by: L0st S0ul Originally by: Ancy Denaries How come people bother with Expanded Cargohold when you can just fit a couple of MLUs there instead and increase the yield even more? Have a buddy (or alt for that matter) do the hauling and mine into your cargo, and when your friend is around, jettison it into a can and have him/her haul it. Much more effective. 1) I have no friends in Eve 2) I care about amount per cycle to fill GSC's 3) If and when I mine, I don't want to wait around or pay for a hauler 4) Giant secure containers can't be flipped 5) Don't have time to train an alt 6) can't afford 2nd account due to eve being expensive for what it is. Basically what I want to do is mine fast filling a number of giant cans and leave them there, return in my badger and haul it back. I'm training for mission running, exploration and some pvp so have no time for training mining or hauling. I have 1000m3 cargo in my osprey that needs emptying every 3 cycles, this so far has required minimum skills training to spare. e.g skills I have set to train ... Frigates V = 11 days Covops = ? Cloaking = ? Interdictors = ? once done i'm then moving onto Gallente Frigates right up to BS. So as you can see I have no spare time but have been looking into a quick cheap way to mine loads. Do you run missions now? If yes, check out the ores in the deadspace areas. They are usually better than what's available in the asteroid belts, and you don't have to compete with other miners. You can jet can mine away since you're harder to find in a deadspace. In these cases I mine until the deadline for the mission bonus is near, bookmark my jet can, claim the mission and collect the ore in a hauler. Si non adjuvas, noces (If you're not helping, you're hurting)
Dei Amarr Guiders' Of Light	Posted - 2007.08.20 20:51:00 - [19] If you're mining in an Osprey and don't really want to spend that extra time training for a barge, then go for a Rokh and mine with that. That will mine much better than any barge and is much easier to train for. Lacks in Cargo space though, so find a nice 0.5 system (maybe in Amarr - it's deserted mostly) and litter the belts with secure cans. Alternatively you can mine into a jetcan if no-ones around and collect it every hour or so in your hauler. That's what I used to do, never got one ore thief (I mined in a system a jump from a station). --- The true master paralyses his opponent, leaving him vulnerable to attack
ProjectUnknown	Posted - 2007.08.20 21:21:00 - [20] No one ever mentions the Brutix, but I use one to mine when I am taking a break from mission running. i can fit 7 miner II's and one mining upgrade (with co-processors). this gives me 630m3 per minute, plus I usually have a few mining drones out which puts me at a total of 690m3/minute. I jetcan and pick up in a Iteron mark IV with three cargo expanders. Works well.
L0st S0ul Caldari	Posted - 2007.08.21 10:52:00 - [21] Originally by: Pang Grohl Do you run missions now? If yes, check out the ores in the deadspace areas. They are usually better than what's available in the asteroid belts, and you don't have to compete with other miners. You can jet can mine away since you're harder to find in a deadspace. In these cases I mine until the deadline for the mission bonus is near, bookmark my jet can, claim the mission and collect the ore in a hauler. Yes I do, never bothered with mining them asteroids but will look into that. Would the asteroids in lvl3 missions be better than in lvl2 missions ? I don't mind missing bonus in lvl 2 but level 3 bonus is better. ----------------------------------------------- Come on you apes, you wanna live forever?
Tailhook Caldari Hotchies	Posted - 2007.08.21 11:04:00 - [22] Edited by: Tailhook on 21/08/2007 11:12:14 Originally by: L0st S0ul Yes I do, never bothered with mining them asteroids but will look into that. Would the asteroids in lvl3 missions be better than in lvl2 missions ? I don't mind missing bonus in lvl 2 but level 3 bonus is better. There is no direct link between mission level and roids present, "A case of kidnapping" (lvl 1 storyline) for instance fields both a huge Scordite belt and a huge Omber belt, well over 100k M3 of each, and never mind the bonus, the roids reset after downtime, so if you get a really juicy field, you can mine it every day for a week (need to clear out spawns each day)
Thrust SSC	Posted - 2007.08.21 11:34:00 - [23] Originally by: Dei If you're mining in an Osprey and don't really want to spend that extra time training for a barge, then go for a Rokh and mine with that. That will mine much better than any barge... That is simply not true. First, in a Rokh you will be dragging over your ore constantly to keep up with the miners. Secondly, it has been stated by a developer that a battleship should not mine faster than a Hulk and that it WILL BE FIXED. Therefore barges will always be better mining vessels than battleships (and they should be).
L0st S0ul Caldari	Posted - 2007.08.21 16:00:00 - [24] Originally by: Tailhook Edited by: Tailhook on 21/08/2007 11:12:14 Originally by: L0st S0ul Yes I do, never bothered with mining them asteroids but will look into that. Would the asteroids in lvl3 missions be better than in lvl2 missions ? I don't mind missing bonus in lvl 2 but level 3 bonus is better. There is no direct link between mission level and roids present, "A case of kidnapping" (lvl 1 storyline) for instance fields both a huge Scordite belt and a huge Omber belt, well over 100k M3 of each, and never mind the bonus, the roids reset after downtime, so if you get a really juicy field, you can mine it every day for a week (need to clear out spawns each day) How much can you make ? ----------------------------------------------- Come on you apes, you wanna live forever?
Tkar vonBiggendorf Gallente Snake Eyes Inc Hell Hounds	Posted - 2007.08.21 16:01:00 - [25] A Covetor with T1 strip miners beats a Rokh decked out. Perhaps you're not including the bonus of having Mining Barge 5, which is required for the Covetor.
Dei Amarr Guiders' Of Light	Posted - 2007.08.21 18:15:00 - [26] Originally by: Thrust SSC Originally by: Dei If you're mining in an Osprey and don't really want to spend that extra time training for a barge, then go for a Rokh and mine with that. That will mine much better than any barge... That is simply not true. First, in a Rokh you will be dragging over your ore constantly to keep up with the miners. Secondly, it has been stated by a developer that a battleship should not mine faster than a Hulk and that it WILL BE FIXED. Therefore barges will always be better mining vessels than battleships (and they should be). A Hulk is no barge my friend. I'm on about a covetor which takes a 13-17 day skill depending on learning ability. I'm sure you can mine quite happily in a Rokh afer only 3-5 days if you manage to get the money together. --- The true master paralyses his opponent, leaving him vulnerable to attack
Tenebrion Darkness Amarr United Technologies II	Posted - 2007.08.22 00:23:00 - [27] A corpmate and I had a contest awhile back, who could fill a jetcan first. I used my covetor, he was using his rokh. I was on the last cycle to fill my can, when he filled his. Take into account however, I was only using t1 strips and no mining upgrades. I was informed later on that he wasn't setup properly, and can mine even faster. I'm thinking of having a rematch soon.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.08.22 02:09:00 - [28] your going to need friends soon mate. ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP Quote: Why didn't we use them 80 man-years to fix bugs? Well, that's simple. We can't. These are visual ar
Evansec	Posted - 2007.08.22 04:07:00 - [29] Originally by: Dei Originally by: Thrust SSC Originally by: Dei If you're mining in an Osprey and don't really want to spend that extra time training for a barge, then go for a Rokh and mine with that. That will mine much better than any barge... That is simply not true. First, in a Rokh you will be dragging over your ore constantly to keep up with the miners. Secondly, it has been stated by a developer that a battleship should not mine faster than a Hulk and that it WILL BE FIXED. Therefore barges will always be better mining vessels than battleships (and they should be). A Hulk is no barge my friend. I'm on about a covetor which takes a 13-17 day skill depending on learning ability. I'm sure you can mine quite happily in a Rokh afer only 3-5 days if you manage to get the money together. Covetor in 13 day's? Hardly. Starting a fresh character, you're looking at about 48 days from the moment you start your learning skills til the moment you finish mining barge V / astreo V.
Dei Amarr Guiders' Of Light	Posted - 2007.08.22 06:49:00 - [30] Edited by: Dei on 22/08/2007 06:50:22 Originally by: Evansec Originally by: Dei Originally by: Thrust SSC Originally by: Dei If you're mining in an Osprey and don't really want to spend that extra time training for a barge, then go for a Rokh and mine with that. That will mine much better than any barge... That is simply not true. First, in a Rokh you will be dragging over your ore constantly to keep up with the miners. Secondly, it has been stated by a developer that a battleship should not mine faster than a Hulk and that it WILL BE FIXED. Therefore barges will always be better mining vessels than battleships (and they should be). A Hulk is no barge my friend. I'm on about a covetor which takes a 13-17 day skill depending on learning ability. I'm sure you can mine quite happily in a Rokh afer only 3-5 days if you manage to get the money together. Covetor in 13 day's? Hardly. Starting a fresh character, you're looking at about 48 days from the moment you start your learning skills til the moment you finish mining barge V / astreo V. Again, a Covetor is not a Hulk. You don't need mining barge V. And obviously I didn't count learning skills, because that just negates the effect of training for a Rokh too, so there's no point in including them. --- The true master paralyses his opponent, leaving him vulnerable to attack

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