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Fausto
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Posted - 2004.02.04 23:09:00 -
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126 ships destroyed in last hour and no poddings? Can someone tell me what is going on there (apart from huuuuuge lag)?
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Wrangler
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Posted - 2004.02.04 23:12:00 -
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The news might give you an idea on what it was all about. 
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Fausto
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Posted - 2004.02.04 23:18:00 -
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Edited by: Fausto on 04/02/2004 23:19:25
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The news might give you an idea on what it was all about.
Ok... So how many pirate ships where destroyed? Is loosing 120+ ships a victory? And most important, did pirates drop something???
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qrac
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Posted - 2004.02.04 23:21:00 -
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ppl killing each other for the loot.
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Capn Blood
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Posted - 2004.02.04 23:43:00 -
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I heard it was the ebil lag doing the killing 
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Fausto
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Posted - 2004.02.04 23:50:00 -
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Aha! I got it now. It's the latest system stress and load test covered as an event. Ok, I can live with that
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Sequin
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Posted - 2004.02.05 00:31:00 -
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It started off with the people guarding the station, as the scientists asked. Then people started shooting people, then guristas invaded, then more people shot other people..
Was a waste of time in my opinion, and the only loot was gurista battleship drops.
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Shevar
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Posted - 2004.02.05 00:41:00 -
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Edited by: Shevar on 05/02/2004 01:14:58
Edited by: Shevar on 05/02/2004 00:42:57
i was there at the first part (upto 40 people in the system), was fun got a named siege launcher and a xlarge cl-5, left came back. Went through to rancer killed a 20 bs spawn with 15 others orso (was fun as well), and now there is another such spawn left at planet 5....
Lost my tempest at planet5 though (2 thermal hardeners and an xlarge cl5 couldnt keep up with the several missles per seconds i got against my hull and made sure I couldnt get alligned and I found myself in a pod  )
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Aldelphius
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Posted - 2004.02.05 00:44:00 -
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the real question is, will the insurance agency have to file chapter 11 protection?
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Hodokie Seek
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Posted - 2004.02.05 01:03:00 -
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Wish I could have seen it though, think it would have been kewl.
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MSDborris
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Posted - 2004.02.05 01:22:00 -
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Went through to rancer killed a 20 bs spawn with 15 others orso (was fun as well), and now there is another such spawn left at planet 5....
Lost my tempest at planet5
A corp mate of mine is sitting at planet 5 hes seen 12 PC BS all DIe to these 15+ Raven 1m bountys and 40+ crusiers no one battle can kill them. ther emissle spam is 100+ cruise and is too much
Location : Rancer Planet 5
i think at least 10-20 PC Battle ships might be able to take em.
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The Reclaimer
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Posted - 2004.02.05 01:31:00 -
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I can see the smoke churning out of the Techell ship yards all the way from Curse.
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MSDborris
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Posted - 2004.02.05 01:32:00 -
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yep 200+ ships dead in last 24 in crielere and rancer systems.. 10-20% of that battle ships i think.
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Stavros
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Posted - 2004.02.05 04:07:00 -
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Edited by: Stavros on 05/02/2004 04:09:06
The event was a complete waste of time.
I accompanied a force of ATUK battleships down there in my Incursus.
So there we were sat outside the station, merilly shooting bships and defending the stations... Right with me so far?? Everything sounding peachy?
WRONG
THEN oh dear, its 200000 little nub frigates full of STUPID whining nubs. WAAAH WAAAH why you shoot us, waaah your pirates...
Hats off to the ATUK guys, their patience held out ALOT longer than mine would've.
The event was ruined by loot whoring idiots, who's sole participation was to fly in as fast as they could in mwd equipped frigates, steal loot from the kills made by the people actually CONTRIBUTING (ie those in cruisers/bships etc) and then try and run for it. Needless to say quite a few of them even made it out alive ¼_¼
Events like this are ruined by IDIOTIC noobs, who think they have some kind of godgiven right to show up and steal stuff from more advanced players and not suffer any consequences.
Don't even get me started on the total nubtards who were shooting the loot cans...
Sentiment in local was definitely that the event was crap and a complete waste of time for the more advanced participants (ie those will enough to skill to actually want to FIGHT the npcs and not just steal stuff).
I don't know if it was an Aurora event or a Dev team event, and no disrespect to any-which-one of those two teams, but you need to sort out that crap and asap if your gonna do something like that again.
Cos now all you got is a pile of dead noobs and a host of bship toting corps who just won't bother showing up next time.
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Carmen Electra
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Posted - 2004.02.05 04:14:00 -
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They were all fighting over me, that's what happened
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dalman
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Posted - 2004.02.05 04:16:00 -
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Even without being there I have to agree with Stav.
Since I was in the Jove event in stain looooonnggg ago.
So congrats Stav, now you know how we felt when nubtards complained about us killing their rookieships in which they tried to grab the loot from our kills(oh well, not just n00bs, but also "experienced" players in frigates just going for the loot).
However, the Jove event was still the best time I've had in EVE. Too bad that nubtards kinda ruins all events.
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Stavros
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Posted - 2004.02.05 04:28:00 -
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yah dalman, not all of the 'noobs' were new players alot were just scum in search of cheap loot. Which I suppose is their perrogative, however if it wasnt for the bships there, their woulda been no loot for them to *****.
A stupid state of affairs all around.
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Carmen Electra
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Posted - 2004.02.05 04:32:00 -
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yah dalman, not all of the 'noobs' were new players alot were just scum in search of cheap loot. Which I suppose is their perrogative, however if it wasnt for the bships there, their woulda been no loot for them to *****.
A stupid state of affairs all around.
Wasn't this in 0.0 space?? Shoulda just pasted them! 
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2004.02.05 04:35:00 -
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Won't make any excuses for losing a Typhoon to the 1m outside the station.
I would have appreciated it, however, if I wasn't forced to leave half my firepower offline to avoid pasting the vultures...er, ships circling the bship waiting for loot to drop.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2004.02.05 04:36:00 -
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Quote:
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yah dalman, not all of the 'noobs' were new players alot were just scum in search of cheap loot. Which I suppose is their perrogative, however if it wasnt for the bships there, their woulda been no loot for them to *****.
A stupid state of affairs all around.
Wasn't this in 0.0 space?? Shoulda just pasted them!
Crielere is .3 and the stations still had working sentry guns.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Rawne Karrde
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Posted - 2004.02.05 05:01:00 -
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Yah i was there myself with Shevar, and i saw several people wasted from the sentry guns as people in frigates tried to steal the loot. I agree what a bunch of idiots to ruin the event, they deserved any podding they got.
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Stavros
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Posted - 2004.02.05 05:02:00 -
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Few problems with shooting em down:
Firstly sec rating, its 0.3 and although its peanuts per ship, you DO loose it and it starts to add up if you have to keep swatting stupid noobie pests.
Second as jash said the station guns still worked. Which sadly meant nubbies could just dock and get a brand new loot stea... i mean noob ship.
Lastly there was just so many of them, seemed like everyone and his dog was there, sadly there were 10 bships max.
Pls die noobs, thx...
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Golgrath
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Posted - 2004.02.05 05:09:00 -
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First there were much more battleships but i think ppl just switched to frigates when they saw that there was no way of getting the loot with a battleship.
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2004.02.05 05:11:00 -
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Few problems with shooting em down:
Firstly sec rating, its 0.3 and although its peanuts per ship, you DO loose it and it starts to add up if you have to keep swatting stupid noobie pests.
Second as jash said the station guns still worked. Which sadly meant nubbies could just dock and get a brand new loot stea... i mean noob ship.
Lastly there was just so many of them, seemed like everyone and his dog was there, sadly there were 10 bships max.
Pls die noobs, thx...
Addendum:
And with the fantastic sec rating gain we get nowadays, Battlecruiser Millenium Online would prolly be released before recovering from popping a few people that trully deserved it -.-
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Stavros
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Posted - 2004.02.05 05:12:00 -
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do NOT even get me started on that jash, for reals :D
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2004.02.05 05:18:00 -
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do NOT even get me started on that jash, for reals :D
Hey, I lost a bship there using 2/3rds the availible firepower. 100 Paradise and 100 Cataclysms sitting in my cargo hold because if I had splashed a vulture I'd have taken a sec hit I'd never recover from.
My .5 sec rating should tell people my affinity to farming rats 
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Lao Tzu
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Posted - 2004.02.05 05:56:00 -
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Edited by: Lao Tzu on 05/02/2004 05:58:00
If this sort of event is going to happen again the (NPC) pirates could 'post gaurds' on the gates into the system,to keep the vultures out.
*edit so it makes some sort of sense*
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Slithereen
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Posted - 2004.02.05 06:16:00 -
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Darn. All the good things happen when I'm not around.
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Cassius Acterus
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Posted - 2004.02.05 06:35:00 -
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I was not there myself, but I'd like to ask a question based on what I have read here.
Why complain about the noobs stealing your, well deserved I might add, loot?
Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black? I mean, as pirates you destroy ships that people have paid for after hours of mining, perhaps, and steal their modules that are usually hard earned.
You can justify those actions fine, and I accept that pirates are part of the game.
But how can you complain when a bunch of people steal what you have?
BTW, I don't condone their actions. Just genuinely curious to try and understand your perspective.
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Fausto
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Posted - 2004.02.05 06:39:00 -
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I was not there myself, but I'd like to ask a question based on what I have read here.
Why complain about the noobs stealing your, well deserved I might add, loot?
Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black? I mean, as pirates you destroy ships that people have paid for after hours of mining, perhaps, and steal their modules that are usually hard earned.
You can justify those actions fine, and I accept that pirates are part of the game.
But how can you complain when a bunch of people steal what you have?
BTW, I don't condone their actions. Just genuinely curious to try and understand your perspective.
Yeah mate, just a bunch of griefers complaining about other players actions
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Golgrath
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Posted - 2004.02.05 06:47:00 -
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The guristas are still in Crielere. About 20 battleships gathered around the ring.
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2004.02.05 07:15:00 -
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I was not there myself, but I'd like to ask a question based on what I have read here.
Why complain about the noobs stealing your, well deserved I might add, loot?
Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black? I mean, as pirates you destroy ships that people have paid for after hours of mining, perhaps, and steal their modules that are usually hard earned.
You can justify those actions fine, and I accept that pirates are part of the game.
But how can you complain when a bunch of people steal what you have?
BTW, I don't condone their actions. Just genuinely curious to try and understand your perspective.
No, you don't condone their actions. You just attempt to troll instead.
Excuse me, Mr. Attentive. But perhaps you'll take a moment from attempting to justify the actions you say you don't condone to notice a wee little fact:
I'm not a pirate.
Now that the little punked "It's Justice" excuse is out of the way, you might actually acknowledge something else:
Stavros and the other mean, nasty pirates do put their ship and their characters at risk when they pirate. They are open to attack. Their real characters take the sec hits and not some alt in a newbie frigate.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
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Posted - 2004.02.05 07:30:00 -
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So loot theft is wrong, and corp theft and other forms of stealing perfectly OK. HELLO?? Hypocrites? In both cases you steal stuff from hard working people.
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Deadflip2
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Posted - 2004.02.05 07:37:00 -
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Edited by: Shevar on 05/02/2004 01:14:58
Edited by: Shevar on 05/02/2004 00:42:57
i was there at the first part (upto 40 people in the system), was fun got a named siege launcher and a xlarge cl-5, left came back. Went through to rancer killed a 20 bs spawn with 15 others orso (was fun as well), and now there is another such spawn left at planet 5....
Lost my tempest at planet5 though (2 thermal hardeners and an xlarge cl5 couldnt keep up with the several missles per seconds i got against my hull and made sure I couldnt get alligned and I found myself in a pod )
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Durin
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Posted - 2004.02.05 07:37:00 -
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Don't see the problem here. The poor little pirates got stolen from, awwww. didn't hear you complaint when you stole stuff from others. You get what you give, right? I doubt there was anyone writing down who shot which pirate, and then bookmarked the can, so the rightfull owner could be given his loot.
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2004.02.05 07:37:00 -
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So loot theft is wrong, and corp theft and other forms of stealing perfectly OK. HELLO?? Hypocrites? In both cases you steal stuff from hard working people.
If you want to get tossed in an argument concerning ethics, morality and the like you'll have to wait till I've gotten some sleep.
Too early in the morning to coherently explain the concept of grey to someone that sees only black and white 
But the shortest version is, who says I condone corp theft and scamming?
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
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belzebub1
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Posted - 2004.02.05 07:47:00 -
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I was there with about 130 other ppl in system, We warped to planet 5 moon 3 to face 20 + BS's , My mate was the first to be targeted in his Scorp and lets just say he didn't last long. I took a lot of hits as well but I did get shots off even with the lag.
I was there to have some fun and kill some NPC pirates in my BS, Who cares about the loot
Oh and I checked the PC kills this morning and it is at 300 +
I wonder will there be some tears this mornining 
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Cassius Acterus
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Posted - 2004.02.05 08:02:00 -
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Quote:
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I was not there myself, but I'd like to ask a question based on what I have read here.
Why complain about the noobs stealing your, well deserved I might add, loot?
Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black? I mean, as pirates you destroy ships that people have paid for after hours of mining, perhaps, and steal their modules that are usually hard earned.
You can justify those actions fine, and I accept that pirates are part of the game.
But how can you complain when a bunch of people steal what you have?
BTW, I don't condone their actions. Just genuinely curious to try and understand your perspective.
No, you don't condone their actions. You just attempt to troll instead.
Excuse me, Mr. Attentive. But perhaps you'll take a moment from attempting to justify the actions you say you don't condone to notice a wee little fact:
I'm not a pirate.
Now that the little punked "It's Justice" excuse is out of the way, you might actually acknowledge something else:
Stavros and the other mean, nasty pirates do put their ship and their characters at risk when they pirate. They are open to attack. Their real characters take the sec hits and not some alt in a newbie frigate.
Hey, easy big fella.
So you're not a pirate. My mistake - but I wasn't addressing the post to you personally, just to the pirates that complained about that particular behaviour.
Sorry if you saw it as 'trolling', it genuinely wasn't supposed to be
As to 'real' pirates putting themselves at risk, rather than an alt, so what? I don't see any significance to the issue.
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Severus Trajan
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Posted - 2004.02.05 08:35:00 -
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Edited by: Severus Trajan on 05/02/2004 08:37:30
Edited by: Severus Trajan on 05/02/2004 08:36:25
Okay, first of all, I find the pirate whining about having their hard work stolen pretty ludicrous. But I suppose there is some small truth in the fact that they sometimes risk their ships even when ganking gates, so we'll let that slip.
Must say that the bunch of people running about in a frigate or noob ship just to claim loot are incredibly...lame. Mainly because it ruins a pretty good opportunity to for roleplaying and/or "content" that people are yammering about.
Pretty hard for CCP to run these events, when people act like asses, only going for the loot. I think the idea of handing out the nice rewards afterward (ie Amarr championships) is good considering the environment, rather than dropping it as loot. Hopefully they will do something similar here, having the grateful scientists give a juicy T2 BP to some particularly valiant defender. Too bad there aren't any "cursed" items to hand out as well to certain people.
Clearly, events need to have a special variable "loot_dropchance=0" set on all NPCs, and the fact clearly communicated to the players, if there is to be any chance of a decent events and content.
Bleh for the players... 
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Ravenal
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Posted - 2004.02.05 08:59:00 -
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Edited by: Stavros on 05/02/2004 04:09:06
The event was ruined by loot whoring idiots, who's sole participation was to fly in as fast as they could in mwd equipped frigates, steal loot from the kills made by the people actually CONTRIBUTING (ie those in cruisers/bships etc) and then try and run for it. Needless to say quite a few of them even made it out alive ¼_¼
ahem...i know a couple of guys from my corp who were flying battleships or cruisers there, fighting in the thick of the gurista attack...anyways, there were more members from EY than just battleships and cruiser..we also eomployed pilots in frigates..not noobs as so freefully thrown around...but pilots with the purpose of salvaging some of the loot to better help in the defence of the station.
and what do you know...we got ammo to increase our stock, we got armor repairers that were so desperatelly needed by some...hell, there were even a drone or two to aid the very close combat guys ...
so if you dont have patience for noobs...tell you what, just try to avoid em then instead of *****in and moaning about their presence.
respectfully out,
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nails
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Posted - 2004.02.05 09:07:00 -
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I didn't spend much time there, but I had to visit for historical reasons. I was way too busy doing other things during the day to attend this main event. Basicly what happened today was Guristas spawned in two different locations in Crielere. Planet V moon 3, and at the main Crielere Reasearch Ring.
The spawn at the moon had dissapeared by the time I got there, but the Guristas were still happily humping the ring.
http://otaku.jp/images/nails/eve/crielere05.jpg
http://otaku.jp/images/nails/eve/crielere06.jpg
http://otaku.jp/images/nails/eve/crielere07.jpg
If you want to look at the old Crielere pics back when they had the construction event those are here:
http://otaku.jp/images/nails/eve/crielere01.jpg
http://otaku.jp/images/nails/eve/crielere02.jpg
http://otaku.jp/images/nails/eve/crielere03.jpg
http://otaku.jp/images/nails/eve/crielere04.jpg
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2004.02.05 09:08:00 -
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hmmm,
I hear what you are saying stav, but it's a tricky one this. How do you keep the little b'tards out of the system without only having specific "corp" events (and we saw how much of a fuss went down over the fact that the jove event was held in SA space).
I don't really see any solution to this, unfortunately. I guess next time just take down m0o/FE and kill anyone coming in a frig.
Dev's might complain a bit though ;)
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nails
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Posted - 2004.02.05 09:14:00 -
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I agree with DB, the next time there is an event like this, just assume there will be an influx of noobs and plan accordingly. I'm not pro pirate, but anyone that steals loot deserves to die. Keep a fast locking backup force behind the main force to wipe out anything that moves close to the containers. With the new gang colors little noobs are too easy to spot.
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Kalle Port
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Posted - 2004.02.05 09:21:00 -
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Well I was at the event too and i have to say ATUK behaved like i expected from CA. As little whining pirates. They did not 'defend' anything, they just sat at a safe distance until the mess cleared up and then only did they start to shoot the 1 spawn battleships with their fleet of 10 ships.
While most other players actually risked their ship in the event by going to the spawns at planet 5 moon 3 and in the rancer system. And of course those who actually lost their ship doing that sticked around in a newbiefrig in the hope to get some loot so their ship loss wouldn't be soo bad. But then ATUK starts killing those players who actually DID something in the event because of the precious loot ATUK wanted, yah right. (oh and ATUK did not only kill newbiefrigs, they took down at least a battleship and a few cruisers too, i'm sure those did only come there to 'steal loot') In my opinion its ATUK who tried to steal the event and they left only because enough people got ****ed at them and didn't want to get bullied by them.
Of course there were people who came to the event in frigates just to get loot, then again thats what pirates do so i find it really funny that they complain about it.
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Riddari
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Posted - 2004.02.05 09:24:00 -
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I agree with DB, the next time there is an event like this, just assume there will be an influx of noobs and plan accordingly. I'm not pro pirate, but anyone that steals loot deserves to die. Keep a fast locking backup force behind the main force to wipe out anything that moves close to the containers. With the new gang colors little noobs are too easy to spot.
But the sec hits makes it unfeasible to be in the backup force...
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Dukath
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Posted - 2004.02.05 09:28:00 -
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Just gotta wonder, if you got 2 gangs flying, both of them in battleships to kill the NPCs in the evnt and both have a small batch of frigates to get the loot. Won't both groups start killing each other frigs then? And who earned the loot then if its not just one group shooting at the NPCs, i'm pretty sure sharing is not in their dictionary :)
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Nicholas Marshal
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Posted - 2004.02.05 09:28:00 -
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Look, people need to just quit whining. So what if a group decided to kill everyone else ?
Anyone who went to this 'event' would have known the risks. They are obvious.
Indeed, the risk element in events such as these is what makes eve so great. We don't want the devs to start telling us what we can and cant kill, or to start enforcing carebear morality. An event like this was bound to attract all sorts of personalities; cargo stealers, pirates, corp. players, noobs etc etc.
It is the diversity, and the moral possibilities in eve that provide the fun.
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Estios
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Posted - 2004.02.05 09:31:00 -
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As far as Im concerned, anyone in Crielere and not shooting the Gurista's, ie all those hundreds of noob frigs, had no rights to the loot.
They deserved exactly what they got. If folks had shared the burden of killing the pirates then perhaps we could have all shared.
As it was theives were reminded that crime doesnt pay.
So HMV consider Andy Williams and Dean Martin to be "easy listening" do they? Tell that to my mate Dave, he's been deaf for 20 years.
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Albar Gray
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Posted - 2004.02.05 09:33:00 -
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I wasn't there, but my mate was.
Early on it looked kinda cool, with most of the defenders in this huge gang, which kinda showed the spirit of the early arrivals. Sharing all the kill rewards and such.
As for the frigate loot hogs, the only real issue I have with them is the splash damage sentry gun thing. Though that was eventually sorted by the Guristas killing the sentry guns.
The point with eve is that you can do what you want. And though I might not like scammers, campers and loot thievs, I wouldn't look anywhere near as noble as I do without all that scum near by
As for using an alt to avoid any impact on your main character, that's another issue entirely. There are many reasons for having more than one character, and quite a few of them pretty good and valid.
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IÆm not schizophrenic...
ThatÆs my alt
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Nicholas Marshal
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Posted - 2004.02.05 09:33:00 -
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Precisely. Its part of the game.
A few thieves will, no doubt, have been successful. And this is alsopart of the game.
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Shanti
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Posted - 2004.02.05 09:56:00 -
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Players stealing from other players is rampant within Eve, but it is a valid aspect of a PvP game. Be it in the form of extortion, robbery/murder, ore theft, polluting the market with low-ball orders, escrow scams, courier mission scams, blueprint license scams, corporation thievery, trade window substitution, or loot can pilfering.
The sec rating of the system should have been zero, but not announced. Only those who fired and risked a sec hit would realize that it was without penalties, butleaving the gate guns active to spice things up a bit.
It was a station under siege; faction militia and Concord had retreated. WouldnÆt event situations shifting a systemÆs security rating add even more spice to Eve?
That would have made things a lot more interesting for the can thieves, but rest assured, the alt-hyenas would try anyway.
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Agan Rafa
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Posted - 2004.02.05 10:14:00 -
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While I agree that its frustrating to have loot stolen, I'm not 100% sure this is completely black or white - seems to be a cry wolf syndrome.
The bigger issue for me here is why in the hell the sentry guns were active, and why CCP can't do something about these stupid things - I mean call for help and then shoot at the helpers but not the NPC's ? whats that about.
Couldn't they just implement a function where you can warn someone, and automatically after 2 mins then be given the go ahead to fire. Abuse would be limited, because 2 mins is usually more than enough time to get away if need be, and that while it wouldn't stop can thieves per se, it would certainly put them under time pressure - and here it would have worked.
What do you all think ?
(in an RP sense that would be akin to clearing your name with the help of your flight recorder or so - proving that you 'did it by the book')
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Kalle Port
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Posted - 2004.02.05 10:33:00 -
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Edited by: Kalle Port on 05/02/2004 10:34:00
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As far as Im concerned, anyone in Crielere and not shooting the Gurista's, ie all those hundreds of noob frigs, had no rights to the loot.
They deserved exactly what they got. If folks had shared the burden of killing the pirates then perhaps we could have all shared.
As it was theives were reminded that crime doesnt pay.
The problem is that you guys shot people who were shooting at the guristas. Of course they then stayed around in newbiefrigs to get loot or to simply annoy you.
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Fausto
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Posted - 2004.02.05 10:35:00 -
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Edited by: Fausto on 05/02/2004 10:35:59
Becouse player response to events is as it is, and events attract all kinds of EVE scum anyway I have a follwing tactics:
<<<<<EVENT this way --------- FAUSTO this way>>>>>>
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2004.02.05 10:52:00 -
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I was there, it was a riot. Little thieves everywhere, and yes, they were stealing the cans. You don't take an MWD frig to a battleship spawn for any other reason.
I cut up a few ravens (with help), but even as they were exploding, a frigate would come tear-assing and grab the can. Then the frigate would die (ATUK), then another frigate would come along and try to loot both cans, he would again die. Then some dude will come past and actually grab a can. Then die.
It was funny.
The only thing funnier was me popping the cans before any of the little bastards got to them.
I'm not upset, you have to expect the thieves.
Also, I walked out of there with every single bounty I'd fired at, which came to about 7-8 Mil.
Smacktalk in local was rather weak, despite the sheer amount of it. It was the smack equivalent of a 30-foot feather in there.
Got some nice video of ravens being fired on by 20 people, too.
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Lianhaun
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Posted - 2004.02.05 10:54:00 -
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The only thing funnier was me popping the cans before any of the little bastards got to them.
Old habits die hard, I was doing the same thing earlier 
Haven't forgotten all of SPVD
This is not a hijack
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Miso
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Posted - 2004.02.05 10:59:00 -
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I would have loved to have gone to that event, but it just shouted GONKFEST THIS WAY, so I stayed at home and did the ironing instead.
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The Reclaimer
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Posted - 2004.02.05 11:00:00 -
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I would have loved to have gone to that event, but it just shouted GONKFEST THIS WAY, so I stayed at home and did the ironing instead.
LOL
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Noobious
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Posted - 2004.02.05 13:06:00 -
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Well I was at the event too and i have to say ATUK behaved like i expected from CA. As little whining pirates. They did not 'defend' anything, they just sat at a safe distance until the mess cleared up and then only did they start to shoot the 1 spawn battleships with their fleet of 10 ships.
While most other players actually risked their ship in the event by going to the spawns at planet 5 moon 3 and in the rancer system. And of course those who actually lost their ship doing that sticked around in a newbiefrig in the hope to get some loot so their ship loss wouldn't be soo bad. But then ATUK starts killing those players who actually DID something in the event because of the precious loot ATUK wanted, yah right. (oh and ATUK did not only kill newbiefrigs, they took down at least a battleship and a few cruisers too, i'm sure those did only come there to 'steal loot') In my opinion its ATUK who tried to steal the event and they left only because enough people got ****ed at them and didn't want to get bullied by them.
Of course there were people who came to the event in frigates just to get loot, then again thats what pirates do so i find it really funny that they complain about it.
When did any member of my corp whine, we just told everyone straight if your in the way or we just plain dont like you, you die simple as that.
Regarding us sitting at a safe distance, you have no clue on tactics within the game so please shush before you make yourself look even more stupid.
Regarding the two battleships we downed, One because he gave one of the lads smack talk a while back so he needed to learn the error of his ways, and the second, because I didnt like him.
The Curisers etc we killed is becuase they were either FA or SA members so again we decided to end them.
As for the many frigates etc Who wouldnt like to end a theif? Its like stealing ore you would love to get um back, when we saw people steal our loot so we killed them.
And Finaly I would like to thank Discorporation for seeing it as it was abit of Fun, Thanks dude.
Noobious
Arcane Technologies.
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Estios
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Posted - 2004.02.05 15:31:00 -
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Yes my 1400mm Cargo scanner was having trouble keeping up with all those theiving frigates.
Drunken, you realise you probably blew up the cloaking BP
So HMV consider Andy Williams and Dean Martin to be "easy listening" do they? Tell that to my mate Dave, he's been deaf for 20 years.
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2004.02.05 15:50:00 -
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Look, people need to just quit whining. So what if a group decided to kill everyone else ?
Anyone who went to this 'event' would have known the risks. They are obvious.
Indeed, the risk element in events such as these is what makes eve so great. We don't want the devs to start telling us what we can and cant kill, or to start enforcing carebear morality. An event like this was bound to attract all sorts of personalities; cargo stealers, pirates, corp. players, noobs etc etc.
It is the diversity, and the moral possibilities in eve that provide the fun.
There is no risk in taking an alt + frigate in to raid the can.
Easiest solution for an event like this:
Drop the solar system sec rating to 0.0.
People will sort things out from there
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Nicholas Marshal
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Posted - 2004.02.05 15:56:00 -
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Yes Jash, your solution would work perfectly.
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Leekar
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Posted - 2004.02.05 16:01:00 -
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I must agree with that Jash. This event was just sad because all these noobs
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Admiral IceBlock
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Posted - 2004.02.05 16:19:00 -
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I accompanied a force of ATUK battleships down there in my Incursus.
so u were in a frigate? with mwd i guess?
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The event was ruined by loot whoring idiots, who's sole participation was to fly in as fast as they could in mwd equipped frigates.
so what did u get?
:p
"We brake for nobody"
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2004.02.05 16:57:00 -
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And Finaly I would like to thank Discorporation for seeing it as it was abit of Fun, Thanks dude.
Noobious
Arcane Technologies.
no problem, it was funny as hell
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2004.02.05 16:58:00 -
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"You don't take an MWD frig to a battleship spawn for any other reason." (stealing cans)
... Uhh, sorry drunken one but with all due respect, can we drop sh.t like that?
There's loot thieves with fast frigates, sure. Doesn't mean every frigate with MWD is a loot thief, when speed is about the only defense frigate has against those heavy guns and cruise missiles.
Consequently, stealing loot is not the only reason people would want to take those to battleship spawns (a fact 2-3 Kestrels has firepower of one Scorpion and about the same lifespan when facing Guristas missile boats, could just be another :s
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Woetra
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Posted - 2004.02.05 18:32:00 -
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Credit to the Devs tbh, the 0.3 sec status was perfect for this event. It didn't please everyone because some people are born whiners.
On the one hand honourable people could destroy n00b griefer loot stealers, on the other hand the n00b griefer PK's couldn't kill the innocent frigate's pods due to the sec loss. There was at some point some form of happy gang which abstained from any form of griefing.... They went home with a fraction of the bounties and no loot, but kudos to them anyway.
And so a happy balance was attained. Turns out it was an unhappy balance but that was the fault of human nature, not the Devs.
Sig Thief
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Stavros
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Posted - 2004.02.05 18:47:00 -
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I think you misunderstood, I couldn't give a toss about the loot tbh, I could just buy what I needed from the market.
What does irk me is when the little nubs were stealing the loot and then complained when they got shot at, THATS what irks me...
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Xelios
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Posted - 2004.02.05 19:12:00 -
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Hmm, I might drop in for the 'final assault' this weekend. Maybe I'll bring an alt too and go after some of those theives, would be fun to triple web them as they're grabbing loot =P
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Mrissa Easeah
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Posted - 2004.02.05 19:19:00 -
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Sounds like CCP shoulda mixed the spawns with a few cruisers and frigates, just to counter the newbie looting, though this might have contributed to the lag a bit. (This might have been the case, as I wasn't there, but all the screenshots/descriptions only talk about the battleships).
Seems the Gurristas don't believe in fighter screens when they invade, but only when they defend belts? Weird.
Are the spawns ongoing/respawning themselves? Seems like people are still reporting clusters of Gurristas battleships at the ring and at the planets, unless these are merely 'leftovers' from the initial invasion.
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2004.02.05 20:20:00 -
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Edited by: drunkenmaster on 05/02/2004 20:22:45
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"You don't take an MWD frig to a battleship spawn for any other reason." (stealing cans)
... Uhh, sorry drunken one but with all due respect, can we drop sh.t like that?
Okay, I take it back. There were some frigates there attacking. But the majority of them were just clustering near the 'drop point'. It just so happens that frigates are the best ships to do this in. My intention was not to hurl abuse at frigates in general.
and as for blowing up a cloak blueprint, we'll never know, but everytime I consider the possibility, I smile.
Also, the lag wasn't too bad, the longest it took for a module to activate was 2 seconds, and even that was rare.
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Cadman Weyland
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Posted - 2004.02.05 21:53:00 -
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We Noobs as u lot call us didnt all go down to knick loot. Myself and 3 corp mates went in close and personal with the badguys, i had first hits on 3 Ravens and got loot from one after circling him at 5km trying to do as much damage as possible.
Then at moon 5 we did just the same. There i lost my frigate after helping destroy what looked like a Moa and moving to another, Lag and friendly fire got me, lag mostly.
It was fun, we did our share, we deserve any loot we got.
Director of Empire Ops and Chief Carebear |
Jash Illian
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Posted - 2004.02.05 22:09:00 -
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Edited by: Jash Illian on 05/02/2004 22:11:25
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We Noobs as u lot call us didnt all go down to knick loot. Myself and 3 corp mates went in close and personal with the badguys, i had first hits on 3 Ravens and got loot from one after circling him at 5km trying to do as much damage as possible.
Then at moon 5 we did just the same. There i lost my frigate after helping destroy what looked like a Moa and moving to another, Lag and friendly fire got me, lag mostly.
It was fun, we did our share, we deserve any loot we got.
Anyone else want to buy 4 frigates being the primary reason behind taking down not just a Raven but an NPC Raven (one that actually uses their guns, unlike Zor)?
Let's see...were you and your 3 mates jamming the Raven to keep it from locking onto others? Don't think so considering the number of ship losses.
How about webifying them so they couldn't flit about at their optimal ranges on MWD? No...don't think so there either.
Playing decoy for their guns? Doubt it seriously considering what I saw.
What loot exactly do you think you deserved?
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Fester Addams
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Posted - 2004.02.05 22:19:00 -
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Actually this is rather amusing, I wasnt at the event and even if I had known of it in advance I would not have gone as anyone can figure out there is going to be alot of griefing at such places.
It is rather amusing however to read all the angry posts from pirates that a bunch of people destroyed the even by trying to steal the loot.
Get with the program ppl, if you can get away with stealing loot its perfectly ok to do so, I have heard you lot state that over and over and over and over and over again.
Well now atleast you have an incling of how it feels to be pounded by you at any time you can anbd for no reason.
I say, go frig loot stealers, why risk a BS when you have a chance to snatch the loot by risking only a frigg.
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Cadman Weyland
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Posted - 2004.02.05 22:22:00 -
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We went in we took our chances, dodging/not dodging their fire and the fire from others. We had fun, we fought, we died. We didnt just hang back and do a run to grap loot.
So while im sure you felt all warm and cozy in yer nice shiny battleship standing off at 50km we took the risk of closing with them.
Like i said we had fun, learnt a few new tactics, leart how to die. Remember not everyone wants to own a battleship.
Director of Empire Ops and Chief Carebear |
Cadman Weyland
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Posted - 2004.02.05 22:36:00 -
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Edited by: Cadman Weyland on 05/02/2004 22:38:31
besides, it cant have been that much fun in a BS anyway. Even the 1 million isk Pirate Raven died in under 30seconds.
Wheres the fun in that? bit more events like these would be cool, but it was a turkey shoot.
Director of Empire Ops and Chief Carebear |
Jash Illian
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Posted - 2004.02.05 22:37:00 -
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We went in we took our chances, dodging/not dodging their fire and the fire from others. We had fun, we fought, we died. We didnt just hang back and do a run to grap loot.
So while im sure you felt all warm and cozy in yer nice shiny battleship standing off at 50km we took the risk of closing with them.
Like i said we had fun, learnt a few new tactics, leart how to die. Remember not everyone wants to own a battleship.
Actually I felt quite cold and uncomfortable. Tends to happen when my Typhoon goes up in flames and I skimped on the insulation on my pod. Why?
Because I was 8km off the Raven's hull, going armor to armor with them. And if the Raven had gone pop before me and I saw someone like you who thought they 'earned' their piece with pop guns in a frigate, I'd have to say you'd be sucking clone vat juice and to hell with the sec rating.
You want to pretend you earned something. I gave actual examples of how a frigate could have earned thier share. But don't pretend anything smaller than at least cruiser grade weapons would do more than scratch those battleships.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2004.02.05 22:47:00 -
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Edited by: drunkenmaster on 05/02/2004 22:48:57
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Quote:
We went in we took our chances, dodging/not dodging their fire and the fire from others. We had fun, we fought, we died. We didnt just hang back and do a run to grap loot.
So while im sure you felt all warm and cozy in yer nice shiny battleship standing off at 50km we took the risk of closing with them.
Like i said we had fun, learnt a few new tactics, leart how to die. Remember not everyone wants to own a battleship.
Actually I felt quite cold and uncomfortable. Tends to happen when my Typhoon goes up in flames and I skimped on the insulation on my pod. Why?
Because I was 8km off the Raven's hull, going armor to armor with them. And if the Raven had gone pop before me and I saw someone like you who thought they 'earned' their piece with pop guns in a frigate, I'd have to say you'd be sucking clone vat juice and to hell with the sec rating.
You want to pretend you earned something. I gave actual examples of how a frigate could have earned thier share. But don't pretend anything smaller than at least cruiser grade weapons would do more than scratch those battleships.
Heh, I bet I was closer
/emote goes looking for a tape measure..
Also, I got a lot of it on video, so you can probably see for yourselves. If I got any decent clips, I'll compile a little video.
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Cadman Weyland
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Posted - 2004.02.05 22:58:00 -
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anyways, its a game, i died, got a fairly decent reward of isk and i think an overdrive, which i prompty lost when i was destroyed.
More importantly i got to test my frigate skills against a bigger guy. Im not gonna say anymore, tempers are obviously getting a lil strained.
Director of Empire Ops and Chief Carebear |
Jash Illian
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Posted - 2004.02.05 22:59:00 -
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Edited by: drunkenmaster on 05/02/2004 22:48:57
Quote:
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We went in we took our chances, dodging/not dodging their fire and the fire from others. We had fun, we fought, we died. We didnt just hang back and do a run to grap loot.
So while im sure you felt all warm and cozy in yer nice shiny battleship standing off at 50km we took the risk of closing with them.
Like i said we had fun, learnt a few new tactics, leart how to die. Remember not everyone wants to own a battleship.
Actually I felt quite cold and uncomfortable. Tends to happen when my Typhoon goes up in flames and I skimped on the insulation on my pod. Why?
Because I was 8km off the Raven's hull, going armor to armor with them. And if the Raven had gone pop before me and I saw someone like you who thought they 'earned' their piece with pop guns in a frigate, I'd have to say you'd be sucking clone vat juice and to hell with the sec rating.
You want to pretend you earned something. I gave actual examples of how a frigate could have earned thier share. But don't pretend anything smaller than at least cruiser grade weapons would do more than scratch those battleships.
Heh, I bet I was closer
/emote goes looking for a tape measure..
Also, I got a lot of it on video, so you can probably see for yourselves. If I got any decent clips, I'll compile a little video.
Honestly dm, the only thing I'm upset about is having to leave 4 high slots offline to avoid hitting vultures else I end up with a sec rating worse than yours taking me forever to recover from.
Having one of the vultures appear and say orbitting with 200mm Autocannons earned them some loot just adds to the outrage. It's not like the Raven didn't have webifiers. I know they did because I was webified myself.
A webified frigate anywhere near an NPC battleship will only survive because someone else is the NPC's target
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Halseth Durn
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Posted - 2004.02.05 23:53:00 -
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I almost had the corp head down to this one with hopes of a worthy event.
Glad I didn't now.
Oberon-Inc FEAR MY EMOTICONS |
Aethon
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Posted - 2004.02.06 00:28:00 -
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 Seems to me it would have been better to have had this event in 0.0sec space, then everyone would be happy.
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Monica Scuro
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Posted - 2004.02.06 00:47:00 -
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yeah i have to agree with jash illian. Frigate pilots have no part in this game, they shouldnt be involved in the events at all. In fact make everyone fly round in battleships.
Also move the events to 0.0 space, then everyone will be able to participate. AS the pirates will be able to gank everyone and when the battle is over the biggest fleet there will attack everyone else to claim all the loot. But it wont be like all the frigates stealing it, because they will be in battleships instead!!!
Nice one
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2004.02.06 01:21:00 -
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yeah i have to agree with jash illian. Frigate pilots have no part in this game, they shouldnt be involved in the events at all. In fact make everyone fly round in battleships.
Also move the events to 0.0 space, then everyone will be able to participate. AS the pirates will be able to gank everyone and when the battle is over the biggest fleet there will attack everyone else to claim all the loot. But it wont be like all the frigates stealing it, because they will be in battleships instead!!!
Nice one
And I thank you for the sarcastic acknowledgement. Now let's see what you missed:
1) Pointing out various ways a frigate could have honestly assisted in taking down the battleships.
2) Pointing out how various honest people were in fact hampered by the helpful frigates waiting to poach loot and nothing else.
3) Pointing out how the wonderful security system yet again protects the wrong people.
Now if you think you had something you could contribute to that battlefield in a frigate, I'm all ears on how you intended to pull it off. Given that without the other people being bullseyes, you'd have lasted all the time it would take for the Gurista Ravens to webify you and vaporize you with their choice of missiles or turrets.
Come on, Monica. Tell us your secret plan of overcoming something that dedicated frigate pilots ***** about constantly.
Oh and by the way: at least in 0.0 while you might earn a clone trip back to empire space as the biggest fleets there slug it out over the loot, at least when you undocked you wouldn't have to worry about getting pasted by sentry guns and Concord for your participation that day.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Skelator
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Posted - 2004.02.06 01:53:00 -
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Edited by: drunkenmaster on 05/02/2004 20:22:45
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"You don't take an MWD frig to a battleship spawn for any other reason." (stealing cans)
... Uhh, sorry drunken one but with all due respect, can we drop sh.t like that?
Okay, I take it back. There were some frigates there attacking. But the majority of them were just clustering near the 'drop point'. It just so happens that frigates are the best ships to do this in. My intention was not to hurl abuse at frigates in general.
and as for blowing up a cloak blueprint, we'll never know, but everytime I consider the possibility, I smile.
Also, the lag wasn't too bad, the longest it took for a module to activate was 2 seconds, and even that was rare.
LOL DM my corpmate "Borrowed my Kestrel" and shot a heck of alot of ammo at the pirates before he was podded by the NPC's
Thanks to the god's that he didnt take out one of my caracals..
They have us Surrounded again.. the Poor Bastards |
Skelator
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Posted - 2004.02.06 01:55:00 -
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yah dalman, not all of the 'noobs' were new players alot were just scum in search of cheap loot. Which I suppose is their perrogative, however if it wasnt for the bships there, their woulda been no loot for them to *****.
A stupid state of affairs all around.
stav you offered to buty me a Drink once at the Police styation in FD .. since my home is in Kubinen stop by for a vodka and Quafe
They have us Surrounded again.. the Poor Bastards |
j0sephine
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Posted - 2004.02.06 02:14:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 06/02/2004 02:17:20
"You want to pretend you earned something. I gave actual examples of how a frigate could have earned thier share. But don't pretend anything smaller than at least cruiser grade weapons would do more than scratch those battleships."
... average DoT:
* small turret: 8.85 hp/sec
* medium turret: 12.30 hp/sec
* large turret: 16.52 hp/sec
Guns alone, your Typhoon with 800's has firepower equal to 4 Merlins, each of them with just pair of 150mm rails. If you allow the missile launchers to be accounted, your whole damage output is barely bigger than that of 3 Merlins.
You can make a case about advantage of range, damage tanking and anything else really that makes battleship so much better fighting vessel... and i'll give you that without arguing because it's no contest really. But trust me, you don't want to start argument whose guns have enough punch to hurt a battleship, and who can barely scratch. :s
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Skelator
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Posted - 2004.02.06 02:19:00 -
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Aha! I got it now. It's the latest system stress and load test covered as an event. Ok, I can live with that
Hey Fausto what is this influx of Rabble in our neighborhood?
LOL
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Nostradamu5
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Posted - 2004.02.06 03:30:00 -
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I guess I lucked out, I didn't take any loot destroyed 2 ravens and about 4-5 moas, was to busy fighting and running to repair to bother with loot. It was that last laggy trip back, foolishly thought I could knock out another raven, well at least I still have a cruiser, I'm now on the bottom of the corp list to get another BS.
At least a corp mate picked up my can
Even in destruction it felt good to be fighting for the right side.
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Sequin
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Posted - 2004.02.06 06:27:00 -
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I've got a frigate that hits for 200, but I guess that's not good enough for the uber l33t battleships, who are the real gods in eve.
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kynaa
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Posted - 2004.02.06 06:31:00 -
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it has to be said at the end of the day this is a game there are allways aspects of a game we dont like thats me you the pirates eveyone will moan and not be happy about some aspect of the game you can only play it as you see fit and enjoy it as best you can
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McWatt
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Posted - 2004.02.06 13:24:00 -
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Edited by: McWatt on 06/02/2004 13:26:04
the real problem is the rarity of this events.
1. this means, everyone and his dog will show up
2. as ccp is mainly learning by mistake, the progress is incredibly slow.
isn t it weird that lots of ppl seem to wish that police would interfere???
it s easy to imagine the situation: "we are under attack. everyone to combat station. apart from officers james and smith who keep the records straight!"
and to the ones complaining about some ppl shooting at others: aren t pirates supposed to help each other???
what should be done next time:
* drop security of system to 0.0 (non-empire, that is)
* have police and sentry guns either shoot at every aggressor (mainly npc s) or keep them out. (prefered solution)
* do not allow spawning of noob ships in the besieged systems. (5-10 jumps away sounds good to me)
* nearly forgot: fix the lag!!!
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2004.02.06 14:12:00 -
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I've got a frigate that hits for 200, but I guess that's not good enough for the uber l33t battleships, who are the real gods in eve.
No, Sequin, it's not. Because unless you were intentionally working together with someone else, you'd get pasted trying to be a leech.
That's exactly what this is about.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
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Tirren
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Posted - 2004.02.06 14:18:00 -
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Just a reminder Stravos said he was irked because the "attempted" loot stealers were B****ing about being shot at/podded when they tried to steal the loot.
Now as far as them being able to do this. Regardless of whether they are an alt or not, if a pirate corp can pod anyone who jumps into a low enough sec space, ie: Orvolle (m0o, c0w) then why can't pirate theifs attempt to steal someone elses hard earned loot.
I do think it is stupid that the station turrets fire at PC's but not the NPC's but whatever, nothing is ever perfect. All I can say is I wish I could have been there, if not for the fighting factor, at least to see it and say I was there. Unfortunatly i was afraid of having to travel through low sec space, or getting there and finding m0o corp awaiting me at one of their gates. I am personally tired of being podded and rarely travel outside of .5 space now, these implants cost too much.
Just remember it is a game, and the even wasn't about getting loot, it was about protecting the creile space station. I went hunting with a friendly corp the other night and killed lots of rats, got minimal loot... was i sad or upset, of course not, its a game, they got the loot first, i'm not going to hold it against them.
As far as what a frigate can do to help, i never thought about frigates in that sort of a battle, but if somone had taken the time to command the battle perhaps some frigates could have been employeed to do just that.
Anyhow i'm beyond exhausted and i've been babbling, goodnight.
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2004.02.06 14:45:00 -
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Like I said, I expected people to be stealing stuff.
The first I heard about this incident being real was when one of my PC agents asked if we were heading down there. He mentioned straight away that everyone was loot stealing.
I didn't go there for loot, I went to make some video.
I ended up smacking up some NPC BS's. I got a lot of bounties, and a lot of footage.
I left happy (until I heard some enemies were camping the gate home)
I'm looking forward to more of the same this weekend. See you all there.
Also, leave it out about me complaining about frigates, I've already apologised. Don't be so sensitive.
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Heritor
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Posted - 2004.02.06 15:13:00 -
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Stavros....don't make me laugh you whining girl.
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Estios
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Posted - 2004.02.06 16:34:00 -
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Lol, I cant beleive this debate is still going on
We were the ones 'griefing' apparently but I found the event funny as hell.
Of course people are gonna bring frigates to such an event (Jash you are being a touch harsh) and of course some of them are genuine new players who want to get in on the action but most of them are there to steal loot.
We knew what to expect and dealt with it accordingly. My sec rating is sore now though
What p*ssed us off is the little nubs then spamming the hell out of local crying that their Reaper or Ibis was blown up .
Get over it, you came to steal loot obviously and got beat down. Risk vs Reward my friend.
What did make me laugh was Panzer from Evol crying in local that we blew his Moa up. Dude you know us and Evol dont get along, what do you expect us to do in a 0.3 system with no sentry guns around, wish you luck ??
Disco , props man for seeing it like it was. Hell even Sutty took it ok. I see you guys changed your tactic the next day and brought a shed load of BS, probably what you should have done in 1st place. We did wonder why a corp with so many Battleships brought two Cruisers and a Frig ......phatty lewt stealing ?
Drunken, as for the lag. Yes when you got there local had halved and more nodes had been added. When we 1st got there it was a lagathon, taking up to 3 or 4 mins to activate modules etc.
Well done CCP for adding more nodes or whatever you did. If Drunken did shoot that BP, I promise not to let him have a copy if you wanna give it to me
So HMV consider Andy Williams and Dean Martin to be "easy listening" do they? Tell that to my mate Dave, he's been deaf for 20 years.
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Lianhaun
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Posted - 2004.02.06 16:44:00 -
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We did wonder why a corp with so many Battleships brought two Cruisers and a Frig ......phatty lewt stealing ?
I was there with my Scorp, but those frigates locked those bships so damn fast it was dead before I got a chance. And the lag was so bad that I decided to call it a night and get my 7 hours of sleep.
I'm fairly sure that if there were alot more frigates last night things would have been different.
This is not a hijack
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Sequin
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Posted - 2004.02.06 20:55:00 -
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I was one of the moa pilots you shot, why did I bring one? Because i'm a cruiser pilot, that's why. Battleships became boring for me about a month ago, and now all I will drive is cruisers and under, which is actually fun. But please, keep thinking we were there to steal the phatubar gurista loot, it makes me smile.
And we didn't go down their with a fleet because it was so bloody laggy, it would ended up with us losing a few 100million to invisible guristas instead of 20m of cruisers:)
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sutty
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Posted - 2004.02.06 21:10:00 -
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actually, the reason was, it caught us off guard somone happened to be passing through seen the blue text in local. and a few of us decided to go see. Where was you yesterday ATUK when we had 20 battleships in system and controlled 3 spawns in rancer and the cel spawn for 10 hours. ah thats right you wasn't there, so while you struggled on the day to get any loot or any bountys we raked in millions of isk and alot of "phat" loot the next day. And i heard from reliable sources you had to give up because of the influx of loot stealing newbies.
So basically our reasons for been there was nothing but to spectate and grab some loot. not a show of force, and if your 10 battleships was a show of force its pittyful.
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Estios
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Posted - 2004.02.07 14:51:00 -
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Sutty you are such an ass m8
So HMV consider Andy Williams and Dean Martin to be "easy listening" do they? Tell that to my mate Dave, he's been deaf for 20 years.
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Elizar
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Posted - 2004.02.07 15:11:00 -
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Edited by: Stavros on 05/02/2004 04:09:06
THEN oh dear, its 200000 little nub frigates full of STUPID whining nubs.....
noobs, who think they have some kind of godgiven right to show up and steal stuff from more advanced players and not suffer any consequences.....
Don't even get me started on the total nubtards who were shooting the loot cans...
Cos now all you got is a pile of dead noobs.....
NUB EVENTS 4 TEH WIN!
Stav
You guys always ***** me up And I'm not joking this time. You always come up with the most creative words for 'noob' lol..so maybe I am a 'nubtart' (my favorite) to mmorpgs, since I've only been in EQ for a little bit, then earth and beyond. and then EVE got me hooked in beta---I've only known about newbie, noob, newblood etc..but nub and nubtart that just hits it! lol....
Anyway..To the point of my post. Now obviously I cant say for certain, because I did not attend the event in fear something like this would happen...But did it ever occur to you that those 20,000...or, as you put 200,000 frigate nubtarts were actually experienced, or somewhat experienced players just hopping into a frigate to be evil and steal loot...I mean after all, that's what crims in the real world do don't they? Grab the fastest, cheapest things available and go loot while the big guns are pointing else where. Frigates are top choice for speed..and who cares if they are podkilled...they've got a nice expensive clone waiting for them in their nice cozy HQ. And if they get out with some decent loot then they're deeds were complete.
But I just think that gives a bad name to all the new players out there...I mean common, if I were new to this game I wouldn't dare fly into that type of situation to get my ass kicked...since new players probably don't have expensive clones...
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shakaZ XIV
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Posted - 2004.02.07 19:46:00 -
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fester addams said:It is rather amusing however to read all the angry posts from pirates that a bunch of people destroyed the even by trying to steal the loot.
got irony ? :P loot stealers... gettting pwned by pirates. Imho the loot stealers are the pirates here
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